Open Thread: Denzel vs. Robbie

Update: Yanks, Pirates continue to talk about Burnett
Austin, Gamel among Keith Law's sleeper prospects

In case you missed Robinson Cano‘s appearance on Jay Leno’s show last night, here’s the video. He played a game of Yankees trivia with Denzel Washington, and … I won’t tell what happened. Just watch.

When you’re done with that, use this as your open thread. Both the Knicks and Nets are playing tonight, but you can talk about whatever you like here. Enjoy.

Update: Yanks, Pirates continue to talk about Burnett
Austin, Gamel among Keith Law's sleeper prospects
  • Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan

    Leno’s trash.

  • Countryclub

    I’m actually happy to see that Cano knew his stuff. Good to see he knows a bit of the history.

  • Ethan

    Didn’t know Denzel was a Yankees fan. This makes me like him that much more!

    • CJ

      How did you not know Denzel was a Yankees fan? Goes to games, wears a Yankee cap often and comes from mount Vernon, NY.

      • Havok9120

        Because he….didn’t?

        I didn’t either. I just don’t pay any attention to him, or any actor, outside of his movies. Shocking, I know.

        • G

          CJ relishes the opportunity to actually be more than the least knowledgeable guy present. Rarely happens, but when it does he pounces on it man.

        • Kiko Jones

          I just don’t pay any attention to him, or any actor, outside of his movies.

          Does that include the home games where he’s frequently shown on camera wearing a Yankee hat?

      • The209

        maybe he has a life

  • Morgan Tsvangirai

    Denzel beat Reggie in this a few years back.

    • Rey22

      I believe he beat CC as well not too long ago.

    • crawdaddie

      Denzel didn’t grow up too far from Yankee Stadium, he’s from White Plains.

      • RetroRob

        White Plains. The last city to be comfortably named….

      • CJ

        Denzel is from Mount Vernon. On the Bronx boarder.

        • Delaware – Ralph

          Correct. Ben Gordon and Denzel have teamed up and raised / donated a significant amount of money for th MV Boys & Girls club and for the school districts extra curricular activities

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    good stuff…would be better if Letterman put on. Leno is as unfunny and unoriginal as a man can be.

    Just listened to the podcast…it took me awhile to come around to retro week. The sheer mentioin of some of those horrible trades and names nearly gave me an aneurism. The 5 championships since 96 allow me to look back and that and laugh. There was nothing funny about it then…

  • Foghorn Leghorn

    OH…and there was one crap catcher missing from the discussion..Barry Foote

  • Matt :: Sec110


  • LaserVortex

    I <3 Denzel

  • Craig Maduro

    Anybody here think Cashman is getting too greedy with the Pirates right now?

    • Needed Pitching

      only if the deal falls apart
      no harm in trying to find out just how dumb the pirates are willing to be

    • RetroRob

      No, especially since we really don’t know anything beyond what’s appearing in the media, which could be way off base.

      There might be a variety of scenarios both teams are looking at, involving a range of cash and players. The more cash the Yankees put in, perhaps the better the prospect.

      • Craig Maduro

        Good point. We can only know what the “experts” and the “insiders” tell us.

    • Steve S.

      I’m not worried about things getting ugly between Cash and Huntington, they do charity functions together and are known to be friends. He’s just trying to get the best deal he can, which is what he always does.

      Don’t forget, the Pineda deal in December included Nova. The final one had Noesi.

  • Craig Maduro

    I’m looking to finally get my smart phone in the month or so, but I’m not sure what to go with. iPhone, Droid? Samsung? Which family do I need to join?

    • MannyGeee

      Don’t trip, just spend the cash on an iPhone. Save yourself the headache of Droid Drama.

      If your in the city and don’t stray much, go Sprint and get the unlimited data plan. If you travel natonally much, go VZW. Better coverage in non metro areas. No one I know has ever had good things to say about AT&T, but when I had them for 6 months I didn’t have much trouble with their service..

      Just my two cents.

      • Craig Maduro

        Interesting, what type of Droid Drama do you mean?

        • MannyGeee

          My brother in law has been with Best Buy for years and has owned every kind of phone. He hates his current Evo worse than any iPhone or blackberry he’s had.

          Hard stops, freeze ups galore, relatively overrated 4g, the 3d thing sucks… And I’ve heard the same thing from friends with Droids. I worked with a chick with a Galaxy, and she seemed to be ok…

          For what it’s worth, iPhones have problems like this too (especially if you jailbreak) but the iOS seems to handle it better.

          (and for the love of christ, don’t buy a Torch Touchscreen… Blackberrys are just the worst.)

    • vin

      I’ve got a droid (htc evo), and love it. Everything is sync’d despite being a mac-household. That said, the reason I got it was because my provider (Sprint) didn’t have iPhones then. You can’t go wrong with either, IMO.

    • Guns of Navarone

      AT&T blows but their iPhones (if that’s what you’re getting) can do things ones from other networks cannot.

      • Landry

        Such as?

      • Rainbow Connection

        Go with Sprint (unlimited data) or Verizon. There’s no excuse for anyone to still have AT&T.

    • CANO FAN #1

      iPhone rules My friend

    • Craig Maduro

      Thanks for the input guys.

  • Brian S.

    I hope Cashman doesn’t get greedy. If Pitt wants to eat 10 out of the 33 mil left in AJ’s contract then that needs to happen RIGHT NOW.

  • MannyGeee

    Might be the best thing to come out of Lenos show since….. Conan?

  • RetroRob

    So Cano appears on Leno yesterday, and today he had a sit-down interview with ESPN. Hmmmm, my guess is Boras is behind this. The services he offers goes beyond getting a contract, but a plan to raise a player’s awareness leading into a new contract.

    • ChooChoo

      What do you think Robbie should do with his time, Retro? High stakes poker games? Learn Kabala? Go to Europe for some medical attention?

    • Manimal

      He mightve just learned better english lol

  • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

    Aren’t the Pirates where the Yanks dump bad pitchers? Karstens (I think) and Ohlendorf

    • Thomas Cassidy

      Eric Hacker, Steven Jackson, Dan McCutchen, etc.

    • MannyGeee

      And there we get players to pay without actually playing baseball … Marte and Nady say hi…

      • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

        Marte played a little. I remember in what must have been early 09 there was a we want swisher chant when Marte was giving up obscene amounts of runs

        • Jesse

          But I believe Marte achieved True Yankee™ status following his performance in the 2009 ALCS and World Series, though.

          • Havok9120

            I wouldn’t go that far, but I was definitely more willing to put up with his wasted roster spot following his ’09 post season performance.

      • RetroRob

        That’s okay. Do we care in this case if the returning player doesn’t play? The goal is shipping off AJ for additional payroll flexibility.

  • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

    Yanks also left the D-Backs with a less good than he is now version of Kennedy. Also wasn’t Halsey there for a time?

    • Thomas Cassidy

      Halsey was there for a little. But he came back to us in the end! Confirmed for 2012 World Champions if Halsey is given the 5th spot.

      • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

        Resigning Halsey was huge!

        • Thomas Cassidy

          Now, assume the Yankees get both Halsey and Pavano. Is 120-42 out of the question? Hmmm.

  • Guns of Navarone

    Jeremy FUCKING Lin.

  • Reggie C.

    I’m a believer.

    Kid’s dropped 34!!

  • Plank
    • Sweet Dick Willie

      The thing is, the Yankees don’t need Alex and Derek to put up 6.0 WAR seasons.

      I think everyone, management and fans (well, at least the reasonable ones) alike, would be quite content with 4.0 to 5.0 WAR seasons out of each of them.

      • Plank

        bWAR Since Age 30:


        30 5.6
        31 5.6
        32 6.3
        33 4.6
        34 2.7
        35 6.1
        36 1.3
        37 0.7


        30 4.2
        31 9.9
        32 5.4
        33 3.6
        34 3.2
        35 2.7

        Normal declines have set in for both of them. Being “quite content” to get 4-5 WAR from one of them, let alone both, isn’t really supported by normal aging curves or the historical evidence of how players age.

        Jeter’s aging is steep (as one would expect from a middle infielder) and Arod’s is pretty gradual, as one would expect from an all time great.

        • Plank

          That isn’t to say one or both of them won’t have good seasons, it’s just highly unlikely.

        • OldYanksFan

          ARod’s 2.7 last year is over 99 games. At 133 games (very reasonable to expect if he’s healthy), that would come out to 3.6 WAR.

          If ARod is healthy this year, I don’t think a 4 WAR year is unreasonable to anticipate.

          • RetroRob

            Agreed. I think Poz’s article was based on what he was calling “great seasons,” which is based on a 6+ rWAR, and how great seasons decrease dramatically from age 36 forward. Certainly makes sense. Neither A-Rod nor Jeter should be expected to put up great seasons, but they can still be counted on for good to very good seasons. Plenty of players have been shown to be productive in their mid to late 30s, but truly great seasons (for position players) is rare, and pretty much restricted to names like Ruth, Williams, Bonds, Aaron, Mays, Hornsby, Cobb, Speaker, etc. You get the idea.

            A-Rod has produced between 3.8 and 4.2 fWAR the last three seasons. Jeter has produced between 2.2 and 2.7 the last two years. I’m comfortable saying A-Rod is a 4 fWAR player right now and Jeter is a 2 fWAR. Both still good, but neither great.

            • Plank

              I don’t have the database skills to look it up, but I would think that chart corresponds well with typical aging curves for good, great, mediocre, and bad players alike.

          • Plank

            Arod missed a lot of games because he’s old. He has a bad hip for which he had surgery a few years ago because of the wear and tear of the game. He missed a little time with freak injuries (thumb?), but most of it was just old man injuries (knee, shoulder). If Bonds was playing today, he would probably be an okay hitter, but would miss half the season with various aches and pains. Staying healthy is a skill – one that old players lose and don’t get back. Yes, when he’s in the lineup he’s generally effective, but that isn’t a guarantee going forward.

            Jeter is just downright ineffective for large swaths of time.

  • Alibaba

    Linsanity continues. He drops 38 with 7 assists, outweighing Kobe. Who needs Chris Paul? Miami might have a BIG 3, but the Knicks has a BIG 4, including Lin and Chandler!

    • Genghis

      I know. Can we just retire the baseball stuff and just talk about the only NY sports story that matters?

      (NY Giants, yeah great, but what have you done LATELY?)

  • Nathan

    They’ll usually show Denzel, Spike and Billy Crystal on TV during the playoffs as they pan around the stadium. Pretty funny segment with Robbie & Denzel!

    If anyone is on the fence about watching “Safe House”, watch it. It’s a pretty good movie.