Open Thread: Tim Redding
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(AP)
The 2005 Yankees were a run prevention disaster. They had what was arguably the worst defense in modern baseball history, and their starting rotation was such a wreck (thanks to the Jaret Wright, Carl Pavano, and Kevin Brown injuries) that Brian Cashman traded the overworked Paul Quantrill to the Padres for replacement level arms Tim Redding and Darrell May in early-June. They simply needed innings.
May, 33 at the time, started for the Yankees a week after the trade, giving up seven runs in 4.1 IP to the Indians. Redding, then just 27, started against the Red Sox in Fenway Park about a week after that. To say it went poorly would be an understatement. He faced eleven total batters and eight reached base, four on walks and two on extra base hits. The Sox had already scored three runs when they had the bases loaded with no outs in the second. May came in to replace Redding and allowed all three inherited runners to score, and then some. The duo combined to allow a dozen runs in 3.2 IP. They faced 28 total batters, and 17 of them reached base. The Yanks went on to lose 17-1. Here’s the box score if you want to relive that nightmare.
Redding — who turns 34 today — was banished to the minor leagues after the game and never threw another pitch for the Yankees. May suffered the same fate, except he never pitching in the big leagues again. The pitching situation looked gloomy earlier this offseason, but it was never 2005 bad. The Yankees have a stable of viable young starters in Triple-A, meaning the emergency trades to fill rotation spots with the Reddings and Mays of the world are a thing of the past.
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Here’s tonight’s open thread. None of the hockey or basketball locals are playing tonight, but I’m sure you’ll find a way to entertain yourself. The Walking Dead comes back, and I guess I’ll give it another chance after the stellar finale last year. Anyway, talk about whatever you like. Have at it.
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The Mason Williams Watch
The giants win and AJ goes* Great start to the sports year!
*If he goes….lets pray together
looking at the boxscore (idk why), forgot who won that game for the BoSox. Mr “I’m going to blow up Fenway” David Wells!!
god that was a game I wish I could forget. Actuall one of many…
Speaking of filling in for teams crushed by injuries, Redding wound up with the 2009 Mets, where he was on the receiving end of arguably AJ Burnett’s best start in pinstripes.
http://www.baseball-reference......6270.shtml
Ha, Matsui saw more pitches in one pinch hit at-bat than Cano did the whole game.
Melky’s last game of 2005. To put it in perspective, Melky was the same age then as Mason Williams is now.
And let’s hope we don’t see Mason Williams playing CF at any point this season for the Yankees, otherwise something has gone very wrong, as it did back in 2005 when they Yankees called up Melky.
I’ve blocked that whole season out of my memory. Actually, my baseball memory blockage started in October of ’04 and continued for a couple of years.
Depressing. 95 win team with highlights like Tony Womack and 39 year old Al Leiter. Ugh.
the yanks are stupid to trade burnett for almost nothing….makes no sense to me for them to gobble up loads of money for 0 production instead of making him a late inning reliever
No chance AJ is unhappy with that arrangement.
The only role AJ Burnett is qualified to fill is the Scott Proctor “We need to throw this game to screw the Red Sox” role and that’s not needed until late September anyway.
If the Yankees don’t trade him, he’s gonna take a roster spot away from a pitcher who can actually help the Yankees.
A player was once traded for 10 bats and I’d like to see Cashman make history by trading Burnett for a case of balls and maybe a Rosin bag to be named later.
The fella that got traded for the bats, John Odom, overdosed on heroin a year later. This is not to say that being traded for inanimate objects results in tragedy. Charlie Pride got traded for an old bus, and he went on to have a very successful career… Just not in baseball.
What makes you think he would be a good reliever?
AJ can throw harder and since he only has two quality pitches it’ll be easier to be good in the bullpen. He can be like DRob, high walk and a high strikeout guy. Is that worth like 16 million? Fuck no and even then him being like DRob is a stretch and a half.
Thanks for your service, enjoy Pittsburgh.
I think a major problem is his command within the strikezone and not just his control.
Relax, they upgraded with two quality arms, the pen is great as it stands now. The only thing they seem to need is a legit DH (I’m not a platoon or rotating fan for the DH), but likely can get by with a LHB-DH.
Things look better to me going into this season than they were in 2009 or 2010, while the BoSox continue to clip coupons, the Rays continue to hope that the can hit, the Rangers have a big gamble on Yu while letting their best arm walk without a fight, and Detroit…well they have to live there and plus their staff is weak.
The biggest question for me is who will emerge in the NL…Phil’s, fish, D-backs or Giants?
You can add the Reds to that list… Or at least I think they’ve got a shot.
And the Nats.
If AJ was required to be one of the Yankees five starters to eat up 190 or so innings, then I could agree with you. Not so in this case.
If the Yankees get $12 million of AJ’s salary back (approximately $17 million in real dollars factoring in the luxury tax), then that money can then be used to improve the roster elsewhere. Under your scenario, AJ goes to the pen and pitches 50 or 60 innings of mop up for $33 million. That would be stupid.
Can’t include the benefit of the luxury tax if you also want them to spend the windfall elsewhere on the roster.
Reportedly, the Yankees are still trying to get more than nothing. We’ll see if they do end up with at least something close to useful.
https://twitter.com/#!/MarcCarig/status/168839462728630272
It doesn’t sound like they’re giving him away:
https://twitter.com/#!/MarcCarig/status/168839462728630272
If AJ’s still on the team you have a 25 man of:
Catchers (2)
Martin, Cervelli
Infielders (5)
Teixeira, Cano, Jeter, Rodriguez, Nuñez,
Outfielders (4)
Swisher, Granderson, Gardner, Jones
Starters (7)
Sabathia, Kuroda, Nova, Pineda, Hughes, Garcia, Burnett
Relievers (4)
Rivera, Soriano, Robertson, Logan
That leaves three spots between guys like Wade, Dickerson, Branyan, Ayala, and everyone else in the organization. It seems like they have too many starters and not enough spots for all of them, yet also no one to DH on a more permanent basis.
Ayala’s with the Orioles now, so you can scratch him off the list.
Oh yeah, that’s right…I guess add Joba to that list in July or so. Too many roster spots, and AJ’s probably the one that should go.
Wade is a lock for the pen after how well he pitched last year. The last 2 spots will be a backup corner infielder and a 5th outfielder/DH.
There will be no zombies in the apocalypse.
Amazing that the 2005 team went to the postseason….it likely kept Torre around for a few more to make up for the 2004 fail.
Excited about our SP heading into 2012…actually the whole pitching staff seems to be at/greater than the 2003 staff. I am somewhat concerned with the bats (but know they are still top 5 in the game).
Darrell May and Tim Redding. That motherfucking sucked, didn’t it, even if just for a game.
Is it just me or did the Yankees have Tim Redding in Scranton in 2010…and he dominated.
Yes he did (see below) and then he went to the far east.
I saw Tim Redding throw a helluva complete game at Scranton a few years ago. 2-1 complete game I think. He was just throwing strikes and playing catch with….
Jesus Montero
I was at Fenway for that game. I still hate Tim redding
Its funny I ran into Tim and he felt the same way about you. Mikeeeeeeeeeeeee joooooooooooooooooones
The only thing I remember about that Tim Redding debacle in Fenway vividly was Melky diving for a line drive off the bat of Trot Nixon, which of course he missed, thus the ball rolled all the way to the wall and Nixon ended up with an inside the park homer.
I missed that Fangraph’s article on the Yankees 2005 defense. Yikes.
I didn’t like any of those teams from 04-07. All lineup, few pitchers and little to no defense. Lots of ugly baseball. There were always some highlights (Alex 07, Moose 08) but for the most part I didn’t like those clubs.
Few as in like CMW and Mo? Pretty much.
Wells, Andy and Roger all left in 04 and took 53 wins along with them. It was pretty amazing the Yanks managed to win 101 games (again) after those defections, but they went from a team built around pitching to one built around hitting.
Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Javier Vazquez, Jose Contreres, Carl Pavano, Jaret Wright, Kei Igawa, Roger part 2. Lots of old, bad performances by pitchers who were shot. When Shawn Chacon and Arron Small are the highlights of your rotation’s season, you have some problems.
Don’t diss the Moose.
Don’t diss the Moose.
What’s more, while I totally agree with a general uneasiness about the makeup of those teams…they were playoff teams, sometimes even contenders. I think we sometimes go overboard with not liking HOW a team is put together and we don’t think about the results which are, in the end, what matters.
04-07 wasn’t a great time for Moose.
Wanted this to be Tim Raines
Ian Kennedy for Tim Reddings?
You forgot to add Melky
Ian Kennedy for Tim Redding ?
How about…
AJ Burnett and Jorge Vasquez for Garrett Jones and 13M.
The Pirates get their 1B and the Yanks get ther guy.
Why stop there? Why not AJ Burnett and Pedro Feliciano for Andrew McCutchen.
For the actual answer, the Pirates have already said they don’t want to give up Jones, 13 MM is less than half AJ’s salary (which is less money the Yankees are throwing in in even the friendliest scenario), and Jorge Vazquez isn’t the kind of player to tip the scales of the trade to alter it that drastically. He has extremely low trade value.