Mar
18

Banuelos among spring’s most impressive prospects

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Earlier this week we heard about the buzz David Phelps has been generating this spring, but he’s not the only Yankees farmhand drawing attention. Kevin Goldstein posted a list of young Grapefruit League players that have been impressing this month, and Manny Banuelos made the cut. You can read the article on either ESPN or Baseball Prospectus, but you need a subscription for both.

“I had not seen [Banuelos] since last spring, and he just looks strong and more poised,” said a scout to KG. “He’s 93-96 mph and showing three above-average pitches right now. I saw (Michael) Pineda the following day, and while I know that’s not the same Pineda we saw last year, based just on those two looks, I’d take Banuelos.” Manny got hit around quite a bit the other day, his first hiccup of 2012. He’s ticketed for the stacked Triple-A rotation, but I have to think the Andy Pettitte signing hurts his chances of seeing the show in 2012.

Categories : Asides, Minors
  • Paul VuvuZuvella

    One picture I saw of Manny looked to me like he also bulked up a bit. I remember him as being a little doughy last year but he looked stronger to me. Cito Culver is up 8lbs and Mason a whopping 26lbs. Boys to men !

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    Bah! These weekend writers all sti… oh, wait. That was Mike.

    Never mind.

  • DM

    I didn’t compare him to Pineda — but I saw the same thing. It went beyond the numbers. He’s a half-step away — and ahead — of the rest.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      A lefty with a plus FB and Change at his age is so rare. Usually the change is the last thing to come (as with Pineda). Its such a feel pitch, so if he’s mastered the hard part you’d figure he should fill out his repertoire nicely.

      My biggest concern with him is that he’s undersized, but that shouldn’t be an issue till he gets into his 30′s. For his years of team control, he could be special.

      • DM

        re:size

        I kept thinking that too — but he has a different kind of build than most smaller pitchers — more like Santana (short but wide) than Lincecum. Also, he’s got good mechanics. His arm slot reminds me of someone (Wells maybe) who I can’t remember. Anyway, he’s not a max effort guy who needs every ounce of his body to throw hard, so it doesn’t worry me. And after seeing him this ST, I put him in a class by himself Yankee-prospect wise. I’ll listen on Betances, Sanchez, Williams, etc; but I think I’d hang up 99.8% of the time if anyone brings up Banuelos in a trade now. Last year I wouldn’t have said that.

        • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

          Good point, he does have an nice, simple delivery. The only trouble is there’s really no blueprint for avoiding breaking down, just some mechanics that we know work better than others. If he throws the ball that hard with that frame of his, I have to think he won’t hold up over time. Hope I’m wrong.

          • Bo Knows

            two things:

            One height is an untrue urban legend, because shorter pitchers are often considered relievers before given a shot to start. If any of those few allowed to start (regardless of truth or not) get hurt they are seen as fragile, even if it takes 8 yrs+ plus of workhorse durability, because it fits the narrative.

            the second point: Banuelos frame is very thick and sturdy and overall strong; strong legs and very good simple mechanics with few, if any hitches in his delivery.

  • TomH

    I hope they don’t use him as trade bait. This Pettitte business is heart-warming and all that, but, for all the obvious reasons, one has to be skeptical. And because (apart from Pettitte)any number of things can go wrong with a rotation, it’s better that the Yankees have Banuelos ready-to-hand.

    • jjyank

      I don’t see the Yanks trading Manny. With all this emphasis on getting under $189 mil, the team will need pitchers like Manny to hold down a rotation spot for the league minimum, rather than give someone like Hamels a king’s ransom. This is especially true if the Yankees plan on retaining guys like Swisher, Cano, and Granderson.

    • bonestock94

      I don’t see it, especially not after the Pineda trade. They’re clearly prioritizing elite young pitching.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      Garcia would be the obvious trade candidate, and Buster Olney just tweeted that the Marlins are a good fit.

      Another possibility would be Hughes, though you’d want him to re-establish his value over the first few moths of the season and the return would obviously need to be higher. But I don’t see the Yanks dealing either Banuelos or Betances this year. The next tier of AAA starters (Phelps/Warren/Mitchell) would be the ones you make available.

    • Gonzo

      I think we were blind to Montero’s trade bait logic. Objectively, he was the perfect trade bait, but we all refused to see it. Now I think we might be be swinging the pendulum a little too far the other way. Objectively, Manny makes too much sense to keep.

  • crawdaddie

    Let’s remember that Banuelos is restricted to an innings limit this year. He should only pitch 150-160 innings this year and with him not being a part of the 40 man roster, I seriously doubt he would be coming up this year anyway.

    • Havok9120

      This. AP may be blocking the trio, but he isn’t holding back either of the B’s. They aren’t ready in terms of consistent command, something better worked on in the minors. I want to see him get a full year in AAA (or until he’s just regularly embarrassing other AAA players, whichever comes first) before a call up.

      • RetroRob

        I don’t think AP is blocking Manny at all. Banuelos was ticketed for AAA and there already was no spot in the rotation. I expect we’ll see him in September and he’ll be given a solid chance at a rotation spot in 2013, assuming he continues his development this year.

        Pineda and Banuelos and Nova all fit into Cashman’s plan for trying to incorporate high-end, cost-controlled arms into the rotation to help them achieve budget in 2014 and 2015.

        • Havok9120

          Exactly. I agree.

  • jack knife

    yeah i mentioned that the leftys in the organization had been stunted because of the pettite signing.Now the writer says it and its gospel. I think the Petitte signing is bad for alot of leftys. Trade them and let them play. There are 5-6 that help other teams immediatedly.
    Cabral,Cedeno,Oconner,Banuelos,Romanski,Hall. All these now will not get a shot because of the Pettite signing. I really hope you get rid of at least 4 of them and let them go wher they can play.

    • josh0909

      Cabral, Cedeno, and O’conner will most likely either be cut or optioned down to the minors, they are purely LOGGY’S nothing important. Banuelos, Romanski, and Hall are all young prospects that wouldn’t sniff the majors this year anyway. Unless in Banuelos case he would and still could come up in september. I don’t see any sense in trading quality prospects, who are just that prospects. Banuelos, Romanski, and hall need time to develop, none of these guys should start the year in the majors.

    • Steve (different one)

      This is batshit insane.

      • Needed Pitching

        +10000

    • STONE COLD Austin Romine

      Wait … Since WHEN in the history of baseball has ‘Handedness’ taken a higher priority over effectiveness ?

    • Havok9120

      Eh, wot?

      I mean, Cabral was rule-5′d….TWICE. Its not like he’s some stud prospect. Banuelos is NOT ready for the show. In between two very good STs, was a simply decent(for such a highly touted prospect) season. Lets see what he can do with a full AAA season before we throw him to the wolves.

      The others you mentioned? Aside from their having nothing to do with starting pitching, they’re also not as GOOD as Andy could be. Effectiveness matters.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

    As if on cue, Buster Olney provides a window on where Freddy might be going

    Buster Olney Buster Olney ? @Buster_ESPN
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    One possible fit if/when Yankees look to trade Freddy Garcia: Marlins. MIA has $ flexibility, Garcia/Ozzie have good relationship.

    MIA’s five starters all throwing well, including Le Blanc — who has been excellent, scouts say –but if need develops, Garcia could be fit.

    https://twitter.com/#!/Buster_ESPN/statuses/181382793056620545

    Of course, Buster stole all this info from Jack Curry.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      Any LOOGYs on the Marlins that might interest the Yanks?

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

        Actually, I see a few. Dunn or Choate could work for Freddy.

    • viridiana

      Trading Garcia would not be a salary dump, a la AJ. Olney should realize marlins will have to give something up to get Freddy. Yanks need to use this trading chip to get young position player– someone who could help at least by next yeAR OR 2014.

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

        I don’t think he was implying that at all, only saying they have the payroll flexibility to add if needed. Many teams don’t have 4M laying around. But I agree the Yanks will want something significant back in return, such as one of the LOOGYs I mentioned.

        • Manny’s BanWagon

          Getting back a LOOGY isn’t fair value for Garcia who can easily give you 150-170 better than league average innings as a starter.

          • Mike HC

            Agreed. I definitely would not want to trade Garcia for some crappy middle reliever that can only face lefties.

          • Paul VuvuZuvella

            There is salary dump involved too. Maybe a LOOGY and a B+ prospect tops, in my opinion. Unless the LOOGY is well paid.

            • Manny’s BanWagon

              If they throw in a B+ prospect too, especially if its a corner outfielder, I’d make that move immediately especially since it’s obvious Garcia isn’t happy about Pettitte’s comeback.

              • Paul VuvuZuvella

                If you’d make that trade in a second, then the other team probably wouldn’t. Maybe a C+ prospect.

          • Havok9120

            That all depends on how he looks when he gets his shots during the early part of the season. I mean, Freddy’s 2011 blew his previous 5 seasons out of the water. I don’t THINK its a fluke, but he’s a definite candidate to fall apart at the seams.

      • RetroRob

        It may not be a salary dump, but I can certainly see Cashman convinving Hal with something like:

        Cash: If we sign Pettitte for $2.5 million, I can then flip Garcia and his $4 million. I’ve been getting calls on him all spring. We get a second lefty, a likely better pitcher, a fan favorite, some back-page buzz to help sell a few more tickets, and we save $1.5 million in the process.

        Hal: I have one question.

        Cash: What?

        Hal: Why are you standing in my office and why haven’t you made this happen already?

    • Paul VuvuZuvella

      Can’t see Josh Johnson getting through the year healthy.

      • Bo Knows

        I don’t see him getting through the month of May healthy

  • jack knife

    how many more LOOGYS do we want I just mentioned 6 who want get a sniff. Let them go with Garcia to the Marlins or whoever. Geez give these kids a chance to play in the big leagues. They are sitting with the Yankees and time is passing them by

    • Needed Pitching

      ” and time is passing them by”

      because they all suck (except obviously Banuelos, who is not a Loogy, and is not quite major league ready)

    • Evan3457

      Not the Yanks’ problem.

  • jack knife

    i forgot Rapada Now there is 7 How many more do u need

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      One that we know can pitch?

      • Havok9120

        Steve, you’re looking at it all wrong. NUMBERS are the concern here, not effectiveness.

        Or somesuch nonsense.

  • Gonzo

    Anyone else think that Pettitte keeping Banuelos in AAA for most, if not all, of the year is a good thing?

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      Not in and of itself. If it gives the Yanks the freedom to let him develop at his own pace, then yes. If it blocks him from advancing when he’s clearly ready, then no.

      Barring injury, the most likely scenario where Banuelos and Betances get to pitch at the MLB level this year is in late August or September, where they have logged their innings and get some work out of the MLB pen. If they excel, they could push their way onto a playoff roster. But that’s it, anything more is putting the cart before the horse at this point.

      • mustang

        well said

      • Gonzo

        Well, my thinking is that pitching 130ip in AA/AAA last year with 1.50+ WHIP makes it almost impossible to say he is 100% ready this year. Even if he’s throwing up video game numbers through July, it would be difficult to say he’s a finished product. That would be just a small sample size.

        Even if he passes the eye test, you have an innings limit with him this year. He’s never pitched over 130ip in the minors and only over 100ip once in the last two years.

        Holding him down for a little longer also assures that you can keep him for more of the peak years.

        • Havok9120

          I’m with you, he needs more polishing. I’d like to see if his consistency of command can reassert itself. Last season seemed to be the tale of two pitchers, and that’s not really the kind of season that gets you bumped up from effectively AA to the MLB.

  • jack knife

    You know What Steve S your stupid if you think that none of the 7 can pitch. They are all quality arms that need a shot. Apparently you know nothing about this game if you dont think these guys can pitch. But if thats true then TRADE THEM OR RELEASE THEM

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com/ Steve S.

      YOU IS RIGHT. i AM TEH STOOPID.

      WAAAHHHH TEH JACK KNIFE IS BEEING MEAN TEH ME.

      • Jesse

        I laughed.

      • Dropped Third

        LOL

      • Havok9120

        Good stuff.

    • Chen Meng Wang

      Dude, You make it sound like all these lefties are banging on the door to get to the big leagues. Manny for example pitched to a 3.75ERA in AA/AAA this past season with a near 5(!!!) BB/9. I’m sorry that doesn’t scream give me a shot in the majors coach, that screams I’m still adjusting to my abilities and need more time to harness them. You also act like the Pettitte signing is 5years long. It’s literally a 1yr MiLB contract. If anything this is good for all the pitchers in our system because it gives them another stress free year to develop.

      • mustang

        “You also act like the Pettitte signing is 5years long. It’s literally a 1yr MiLB contract. If anything this is good for all the pitchers in our system because it gives them another stress free year to develop.”

        NO, NO, NO. All these old guys with one 1-year contract are blocking their all-star caliber prospects from making to the majors. We all know that if the old guys fail and the kids excel in the minors that there is no way that the Yankees will release the old and promote the young.
        Stop with the logic thing you it scares me

        • mustang

          you it scares me

          • mustang

            Someone the “know” in there somewhere…..lol

        • Chen Meng Wang

          Haha, that’s good, but I was really hoping for Jack Knife to respond to this, and for some strange reason I think the sarcasm will scare him away. I really think that the Yankees learned what happened when you rush guys to the majors, visa vi Joba and Hughes, and that just because somebody has really good stuff you shouldn’t just put them on the 25 man and hope they can continue to develop properly. I don’t want people to think I don’t like Banuelos, from everything I’ve heard and seen from him he projects (PROJECTS) to be a very good starting pitcher in the MLB. I think people tend to forget though that he’s never pitched a full season at one level in the minors, and that he’s only 20. Let him work up his innings limit in the minors so that way once he’s ready for the majors he doesn’t really need to be on an innings limit. It’s not like we’re starving for pitching on the Big club right now.

          I’d also like to address the elephant in the room, is anybody concerned with Pineda’s dip in velocity? As far as I’m concerned if he’s really putting an emphasis on his change-up and it’s ready for opening day he doesn’t really need to blow guys away at 97. If he can just reach 95 I think he can succeed because his slider makes Joba’s circa 2007 look hit-able.

          • mustang

            STOP WITH THE LOGIC!!!!!!!

            You just scared my dog.

          • Havok9120

            Jack Knife never does. He rants until someone addresses his points, then ignores what they say and plods on with what he was saying before. He has his opinion and sticks to it regardless of whether the available data supports it. Well, at least when it comes to player development.

            I’d like to see Pineda throw 6 or 7 innings and see what his velocity looks like. Last year (and supposedly in the minors) his MO was ramping it up as the game went along. And that gun from the Nats game gave us next to no usable data anyway, though I’ve heard rumblings that scout guns only had him 91-93 with higher flashes anyway.

            To your point about effectiveness, I agree completely. He doesn’t need to blow guys away as his control has looked quite good and his slider is simply fantastic. If he comes out of camp confident enough to keep working on the change in RS games, then he’ll be fine even his his velocity tops out at 94-95 (which I don’t expect it to).

    • Chen Meng Wang

      and please don’t tell me about TEH STUFFS!!! because AJ Burnett and Kyle Farnsworth say hi.

    • Steve (different one)

      Yes, “your” stupid

    • PBFog

      You might want to learn about sentence structure and word usage before calling another poster “dumb”.

    • Evan3457

      Not. The. Yanks. Problem.

  • jack knife

    Good Answer Thats all you got That figures

    • Paul VuvuZuvella

      Maybe switch to decaf ?

    • bpdelia

      dude. Some of these guys you say are so special and ready were rule 5 picks. A couple were straight up garbage heap signings. Banuelos is on an innings limit. Romanski isn’t “banging on the door” and Hall isn’t either.

      The Petitte signing only affects Banuelos’ shot at getting a few starts in July. But he was behind Hughes, Garcia, Phelps, Warren, Mitchell on the depth chart. So he went from being the tenth SP in the yankees plans to being the 11th. Big deal.

      As for Hall and Romanski? Those guys just went from a .002 pct chance of starting for the yankees this year to a .oo1 chance. They would literally be in the late 20s on the yankees SP depth chart.

      Cabral is so awesome he wasn’t deemed worthy of a 40 man roster spot. Oconnor and Cedeno the same thing.

      And Rapada got released by the ORIOLES for god’s sake and took until days before camps opened to even get a job offer.

      Your argument quite simply makes no sense at all.

    • Havok9120

      Oh bull. We gave you a few statistics, some personal impressions, and some empirical data based on the actions of other teams.

      Obvious troll is obvious.

  • Rod

    There is no reason to bring up ManBan this year short of the entire rotation going down. Let him get to 150ip and try him out next year in the bigs.

    • Paul VuvuZuvella

      Yes indeed. Same strategy has been working pretty well for the Rays.

  • Mike HC

    He came to this conclusion based on seeing them once each in mid march? I too have seen Pineda and I like the way he looks. I predict a strong year. Banuelos still seems like a work in progress, but you can’t argue with his stuff or his left handedness.

  • mustang

    How about Manny Banuelos stays the year in AAA and has a great year and next year we are looking at CC, Nova, Pineda, Hughes and Banuelos?

    Wild and crazy I know, but I’m just thinking outside the box.

    The problem with opening your presents before Christmas is that you have nothing to open on Christmas Day.

    • Monterowasdinero

      This would be great. Banuelos is tons stronger/more solid than when I saw him last year in ST and in Trenton. His fb was 95 in his last few starts. He is just 21! I only saw Phil’s last inning of his most recent effective outing. His slow curve was excellent but I only saw his fb at 89. What did he top out at?

      • DM

        I saw 93 once — someone said 94.

      • Chen Meng Wang

        I think that might have just been a cutter or a two seamer, cause I saw a couple that were at ~92/93.

        • DM

          He was losing the FB in that last inning; and the curve was his out pitch that day. That’s the real test for him — sustaining that 92-93 across pitches within games and from start to start.

          • Monterowasdinero

            Yes-this will be important to see as Phil stretches out to 5-6 innings.

          • Chen Meng Wang

            While I really hope he can, we really do have to much starting pitching right now. So if Hughes were to fail at maintaining a good velocity, maybe that makes the decision easier and we can just use Freddy as a stop-gap until Pettitte is ready to go. I really wish nothing for the best for Hughes, but at the same time my Prospect-Love for him died a long time ago and my patience is starting to wain with him.

            • mustang

              Stay patient my friend I think Mr. Hughes is going to turn this thing around.

              • Chen Meng Wang

                Even If he does though, were is he pitching. Cash said that Andy was signed as a starter. CC is CC, Kuroda is being talked about as one of the best under the radar signings of the off season, Nova had a fantastic year last year and got sent down to make room for Hughes though neither deserved this, and Pineda was an All-Star last year w/ excellent peripherals all season long. Don’t get me wrong this is an excellent problem to have, but I’m just saying if Hughes does turn things around I’m happy I’m not Girardi telling somebody who deserves to start that they won’t be starting.

                • Havok9120

                  Its not as if Nova has looked all that good so far. Quite the opposite. It means nothing, but Hughes has actually looked much better than Nova to this point. He isn’t the only candidate for optioning.

                  We’ll just have to see what everyone does this season. I really that that if Hughes is good or very good, he’s gone in a trade.

    • mustang

      The crazy thing is that this is actually within reach and not stretching by any means where they would have 3 out of 5 of their starters being home grown. Yet the Yankees can’t develop pitching, all they do is sign old guys, and plan for the future badly. Again I only wish the Knicks would have plan this badly.

      • Chen Meng Wang

        Just saying, they’re undefeated since Dantoni resigned.

      • Havok9120

        Heh. Not only could we have 3 being homegrown for the foreseeable future with all the kids, but we could have it this year if someone gets hurt or proves ineffective. After all, Andy’s back.

        (pleasedontgethurtpleasedontgethurtpleasedontgethurt)

        • mustang

          I was thinking more of the young pitchers but you have a point. I just don’t see the beef about the 1 year contract old guys blocking the kids. If Montero was still here and Banuelos had at least one great AAA season under him then yes I could see the beef, but that’s not case.

          • Havok9120

            Definitely. The B’s are simply not ready for the Show. Sure, there’s an argument to be made that Andy is blocking one of Phelps/Warren/Mitchel, but its really not a huge deal. They’re upside seems to be a 4, and probably more like 5s/longmen. We’re not holding back Stephen Strasbourg here. And even if he DOES block one of them, it’ll be because he’s effective enough to make the team, and I’d rather have and effective AP than Freddy or one of the Trio.

  • Accent Shallow

    Well, this is fantastic news.

  • boomer

    my hopefull 2013 rotation 1.Sabathia 2.Hamels 3.Nova 4.Pineda 5.Banuelos. kuroda, pettitte, and garcia will be gone and hughes will probably be used a trade chip if he has a good season. if he has a bad season he’ll be ousted anyways.

    • Chen Meng Wang

      Meh, I guess I’m the only person in the world that isn’t incredibly high on Hamels. I don’t have a legit baseball reason why, I just get a bad feeling about signing him long term.

      • Gonzo

        I am not sure, but I think someone posted his injury history. It wasn’t the worst, but I think someone pointed out that it was above average for his age.

        I am not sure about the veracity of all that. Just saying that you might have a little bit of a legitimate reason than you realize.

    • Havok9120

      I’ll pass on Hamels thank you, and I think the Yankees will too unless Pineda falls through. I’m pretty sure that’s half the point of the trade and probably the backbone of the 2014 plan.

      This looks to be especially true after Levine’s comments about Cano/Granderson. How could we even make a serious offer on them both if Hamels is eating 20-25 million/year?

      • Chen Meng Wang

        I knew I couldn’t be completely alone on passing on Hamels.

        • Havok9120

          Its not so much Hamels per se, I’m just not interested in any of the aces supposedly coming available. I think they’re all great pitchers and will improve any team they’re on. I also think that the price tag will be too rich for my blood. I love the current construction of the team and signing another 20+ million/year pitcher severely compromises that blueprint within the framework of the 2014 budget.

          • mustang

            Agree.
            Well done.

        • mustang

          I’m on this party boat which is a big step for me because I’m usually the get them all type.

      • hogsmog

        What if Hughes and Nova fall through (it seems to me like people have been treating Nova as a sure-fire thing, but I’m not convinced yet, especially w/ this potential elbow problem)? I still don’t think I’d pull the trigger on Hamels, but it would be a little hairy to run Banuelos and Phelps out there at the same time.

        • YanksFanInBeantown

          with his potential elbow problem, his first half last year, and his entire time in the minors that pointed to him being nothing special.

          I really do not get the Ivan Nova love.

          • http://yankeesfansunite.wordpress.com Fishjam

            What elbow injury? Did anyone see Nova’s last ST outing? He looked just fine to me….4 soid innings, change up and curve were good, good command and veocity was consistenty ow 90s with some 94′s.

          • Havok9120

            Its the effectiveness of a new pitch, a pitch that completely changed his profile as a pitcher. That’s where its from. If that pitch, his willingness to throw it and its effectiveness, all stick then his profile as a prospect matters much less.

            And…we still have no sign of an elbow problem. He tweaked something, came out of a game, shut it down in the offseason, and here we are. Until we get more information, there’s no reason to believe in an elbow problem. Heck, he could annihilate the opposition tonight and the “elbow problem” would cease being talked about. That’s almost the definition of speculation.

            • YanksFanInBeantown

              you’re right, the elbow isn’t really a concern, I’m just not feeling the Nova bandwagon.

              I don’t believe in his slider, so I think he’s a fairly replaceable 4 or 5. I get a bit overly negative about him, but I just blame that on whiplash from all the people on PSA proclaiming him the next homegrown No. 2 starter and saying that Pineda should start the year in the minors.

              But, hey, I’d love nothing more than to be wrong about him. The best part about being down on a player is that if he sucks I can say “I told you so” and if he’s good it’s good for the Yankees.

              • Havok9120

                Yeah, Nova love got a bit out of control. But if that slider is real….#3 is not at all out of the question. It all depends on that pitch. Without it, he could find himself surpassed by the AAA Trio.

        • Havok9120

          Until I see something more concrete than, what 4 ineffective innings (or is it 8) and the freaking out of worried fans, there is no elbow issue. Everything we’ve heard and read from every available source says he’s totally fine physically. Our collective paranoia is the only indication that there’s a problem. People being sold on him as a 2/3 is silly after one standout season against his whole minor league record of good-but-not-great-ness, but I think its quite safe to project him as a 4/5 long term. I see him as a somewhat more advanced version of the AAA trio.

          Hughes is gone after 2013 anyway. He’s not a long term solution to anything. Either he’s ineffective and we dump him/consign him to the BP, or he’s good and we can’t afford him under the budget. The scenario could quite easily become ManBan/one of the trio as 4/5 for 2014, and I can even see it happening in 2013 if Hughes gets himself traded or put in the ‘pen. The only alternative for ’13 is to go get a mercenary rental, but I’d see no point in it by then. The trio will, at the very least, start transitioning more into the ‘pen this season on a more permanent basis. Next step from there is the rotation, and I’d have no problem with that scenario.

        • Ted Nelson

          If you’re strong 1-3 I don’t see why it’s hairy to bring up two starter with multiple years in AAA at the same time… especially if you still have several other prospects with multiple years in AAA right behind them. Of course all of this depends on how these prospects do going forward, but with 5 legitimate options I think you have to be optimistic that at least two are passable #4/5 starters in another year.

  • Bryan__from NZ

    It’s not often we’ve got a decent trade chip like Freddy. I’d like the Yanks to trade him asap, and eat his entire salary asap and get a bigger return. A contender’s bound to need a starter in May.

    • Havok9120

      Not until Andy is ready. Trading any of the MLB depth before then is just foolish.

      • Ted Nelson

        Depends what you get in return. If you trade Garcia your 6th starter is still one of Phelps, Warren, Mitchell, Banuelos, or Betances with Pettitte in the wings. I don’t see why any team would blow the Yankees away for Garcia, but if they happen to get offered someone they want more than Garcia… I would trade Garcia.

        • fin

          I basically agree. There is no reason to hold onto him, if the right deal comes along. There is plenty of depth the absorb his trade. The only reason I could see them waiting to trade Garcia is to see what Hughes does. If he Hughes is having a very good first month or two, they could flip him in a package for a cheaper RF option than Swisher, and strenghten the DH spot this year. If they trade Hughes, I could see them wanting to hold onto Garcia. If the Phelps/Warrens of the world are pitching well, I could see a scenario where both Hughes and Garcia get traded. It should be an interesting couple of months as it seems trade rumors will swirling barring early injuries.