How much confidence does Girardi really have in Hughes?

Losing Michael Pineda
The Three-Four Trouble Spots
Phrustrated Phil. (Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)

After last night’s game Joe Girardi settled into his usual routine of defending his guys. “We believe he can do it, and I know he believes he can do it,” he said of Phil Hughes, who allowed four runs in 2.2 innings last night. After going into some details of what went wrong, Girardi gave Hughes a vote of confidence. “Our plans are to send him out there again.” That will come Tuesday against Baltimore. But could his leash be shorter than Girardi is letting on?

While Girardi verbally backs his players when the media comes knocking, his actions in this instance say something different. Hughes actually looked decent in the early goings, using just 11 pitches to work through the first, and then getting through the second on 14. His one mistake came on the first pitch of the second, when Adrian Beltre got out in front of a first-pitch fastball and crushed it. But after that Hughes recorded three straight weak grounders. Everything appeared in order.

The third started off well enough, with a strikeout of power threat Mike Napoli. But then things turned for the worse. Mitch Moreland singled, and then Ian Kinsler stayed back on a first-pitch curveball and hit a ball high enough, and far enough away from Nick Swisher, that he trotted into second base. A weak groundout followed, and while it allowed a run to score it did show another positive sign for Hughes. Two outs and a runner on third is no huge jam. But then he hit Josh Hamilton. Then came a single. Then a double. And then another hit by pitch. That left the bases loaded, still with two outs.

Girardi needed just one more out, and he needed it before the game, already 4-0 Texas, got out of hand. But Girardi did not trust Hughes to get the job done, even against the bottom of the Rangers order. Instead he put his trust in Clay Rapada, to get the lefty David Murphy, and then David Phelps, to stanch the bleeding and keep the game close for the Yankees’ offense. Things didn’t turn out well for them, as Phelps gave back a run immediately after the Yankees plated two in the top of the fourth. But it’s not the results so much as the decision to remove Hughes that stands out.

It could be that Girardi noticed that Hughes was overthrowing and failing to locate his fastball. Russell Martin certainly noticed it, saying, “We were missing, and in counts where guys were ready to hit the ball.” Hughes himself admitted to overthrowing, saying, “A little too much frustration probably came out physically. I try not to do that, but sometimes it gets to be too much.” If Girardi made the change based on these specific observations, in this specific game, then this might be nothing.

Given Hughes’s performances to date, however, Girardi’s early hook probably speaks his mind more accurately than his post-game press briefing. If he is losing faith in Hughes, and shows faith in Phelps, we could see a change on the horizon. That might not come within the next few starts, especially if Hughes handles Baltimore’s lineup on Tuesday. But changes will be coming in a few weeks, when Andy Pettitte returns. Freddy Garcia might be the victim in that case, but if Hughes considers to falter could the Yankees make an additional change and swap him with Phelps? After starts like last night, it certainly seems like a possibility.

Losing Michael Pineda
The Three-Four Trouble Spots
  • rek4gehrig

    Hopefully, none anymore. Enough is enough

  • Dummies Playing With Balls (formerly Rainbow Connection)

    I really thought Hughes would pull it together this year. Wrong so far.

  • WFAN Caller

    Maybe it’s the hair? Cut the hair, and let’s go from there.

  • Dummies Playing With Balls (formerly Rainbow Connection)

    Maybe he feels too much pressure since he was told he’s competing for a spot???
    God forbid someone should be able to do their job under any kind of pressure.
    He’s just throwing a ball, not creating art.

    • Kosmo

      A great pitcher is an artist my friend. Rivera, Spahn, Koufax, Seaver , Mathewson etc. painted great canvases.

      • CP
        • Kosmo

          Actually Tomko is decent artist for the type of subject matter he engages in. I think Al Downing a former Yank also painted with a brush.

        • gageagainstthemachine

          The dejected looking pitcher in that painting? Phil Hughes! (seriously, look at the full painting and caption in the article) Hmmm…a picture (or in this case, a painting) IS worth a thousand words!

      • jjyank


      • TomH

        All of them therefore pitchers of great intelligence, as is CC now. Hughes seems to have hit some sort of wall when it comes to pitching intelligence/artistry. He keeps making the same sorts of mistakes, game after game.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I’m not seeing a reason to send him out there again. Phelps isn’t a savior, he’s been hit hard his past two outings, blah blah blah. He throws strikes and his mistakes will be because of that. I think he should get the look.

    2009 is also baseball eons ago, but Hughes’s approach was even completely different in the pen. Is it possible that’s an adjustment he could more easily make at this point? Pen Hughes was a sight to behold.

    • CP

      Phelps certainly earned the chance to start over Hughes last night. I mean 2.1 IP, 5 H, 3 R, 3 BB, 2K and 2 HR is a significantly better line than 2.2 IP, 5 H, 4 R, 0 BB, 2 K and 1 HR.

    • jjyank

      Yeah I’m inclined to agree. A couple days ago I was arguing that it was too early to consider Phelps, but I don’t know how many more 2-4 inning starts they can let Hughes get away with. I have no problem with Hughes getting another shot in Baltimore, but if he can’t handle the O’s, I think it might be time to pull the plug. With Pineda out for the season and Garcia’s struggles, the Yankees don’t have the luxury of riding out Hughes for much longer.

      This is all highlighted too because of the rotation’s struggles in general. If CC was in beast mode and Kuroda was a consistent #2 (though he has had two very good starts) and Garcia was pitching similar to 2011, I think we could deal with Hughes as a #5 for a little while longer. But something will have to give soon.

      I give Hughes one more shot in Baltimore before I go all out with advocating for him in the bullpen, but I’m pretty close right now.

      • DJ4K&Monterowasdinero

        It’s a home game against Baltimore. Not sure if that helps Phil though.

        • jjyank

          Oh, my bad. My statement still stands though.

    • GardnergoesYardner

      I agree. Even Phelps hasn’t been the greatest recently, he throws strikes consistently, and that is more than you can say about a lot of pitchers. He won’t mess up because of the Hughes no put away pitch bullshit.

      Even if it’s for one start, just give the kid a chance. I don’t know if there’s room for Hughes in the pen, and for the past three years Joe and co. have expressed their beliefs about him going there. (Unfortunately, Joba didn’t get this same kind of loyalty) However, he needs to be yanked, if only for one start. Is he going to be an ace? Probably not. The question that should be asked is can he contribute in the rotation this year, and right now no one is sure. If Phelps works, great. If he doesn’t, than there’s other options, including Hughes. It’s not an ideal situation, but nothing has been ideal since the Pineda injury.

    • mike

      he was effective down the stretch, and in the playoffs/ WS he was a liability who was getting tattoed by the Phills.

      his straight fastball doesnt have the juice to consistantly fool ML hitters

  • DJ4K&Monterowasdinero

    “We’re still gonna use Hughesy. Nothing to losey. Phelpsy not ready.”

    • Reggie C.

      Your a two man crew now?


      • DJ4K&Monterowasdinero

        I’m feeling like Monterowasnotdinero right now.

        As for DJ, I think he is a lock for top 5 all-time hits. Rose, Cobb, Aaron, Musial, Jeter.


  • Bartolo’s Colon

    i can’t wait for tuesday, im going to the game. i hope he is either dominant (don’t see this happening) or gets absolutely bombed so they need to send him down or do something with him other than torturing us every 5 days. I then hope we disrespect the shit out of flanny and come back from 6-7 runs down and buck cries. would it be in bad taste to bring a “suck it flanny” sign to the game?

    i agree with wfan caller, he should cut his hair, it can’t hurt

    • Broll The American

      The hair worked for Yu.

      • .zip file

        Yu has bronze highlights. That’s the difference.

        • jjyank

          Quick, someone put together a shipment of Just For Men to give to Hughes!

          • LiterallyFigurative

            Your beard, is weird.

          • GardnergoesYardner

            Better yet, make it TOuch of Grey so the hitters instantly become nervous of his veteran savvy.

    • Mike

      If i were you, i’d look for tickets in the outfield stands, with Hughes pitching there is a good chance to catch at least a couple of homerun balls.

  • Bonnie Parker

    Phil is done. Joe showed this last night with his actions. Joe will always back his guys to the media. He’s a good manager but when you get chance after chance and still blow it you’re done. Pineda’s injury gave Phil new life and he still blew it.

    • Jon G

      That’s what I thought when they pulled Freddy after 1.2 on Saturday, but he’s getting another shot…

  • David Ortizs Dealer

    I am sure the length of Hughes leash is detailed in the binder.

    • .zip file

      I laughed. Then I cried, because this is probably true.

      • jjyank

        Wait, having a plan for how long a leash Hughes has is a bad thing?

        • .zip file

          I’m sure they will all get together and talk it over (Joe, Larry and Cash), and make sure they have the right plan in the binder.

    • Joe Girardi’s Trapper Keeper

      In my own defense, I mostly contain recipes…

    • Russell NY

      Easily one of the funniest comments ever made.

  • Peter R

    When Andy ready: Garcia to long man, Hughes to AAA to work on his secondary pitches and Phelps to rotation.

    -Nobody gonna take Freddy from us and owe him to much money to let him loose no?
    -Hughes looks close to me, just let him work it out Ivan Nova style in AAA.
    -Phelps is best choice i can think of for 5th starter spot.

    Dont know what it does to AAA rotation though.

    • J

      Totally agree with this plan, depending on if Garcia can right the ship between now and the time Pettitte is ready. I think AAA could really help Phil since honestly I think he could have the stuff to be a starter. It’s about control and being comfortable with with changeup. How many times have we seen Phil get a guy 0-2 or 1-2 and then leave a meatball cutter in the middle of the plate? It’s not a terrible pitch stuff-wise but that shit needs to stop.

      I know people say that getting out AAA hitters isn’t going to help but really it’s not about results at AAA is about getting out of bad habits and creating new good ones without hurting the major league club. This is what Phil needs to do. It’s back to the drawing board.

    • Matt Imbrogno

      Sending Hughes to AAA to work on his secondary pitches won’t do thing.

      • Dan

        I don’t know that you can say it definitely won’t help. It helped Nova last year, if Hughes is willing to go and wants to improve it might help. The Yankees can give him the option and say either you can move to the pen right now and that is where you will remain until you reach free agency (or we can trade you), or you can go to the minors and try to improve your mechanics and improve your curveball to what it once was.

        • jsbrendog

          but why not? if the changeup isnt getting any better and he isnt comfortable with it why wont it help to go to games that are no stress and dont count and throw 50% changeups and 30% curveballs and 20% fastballs to keep it sharp? iot wont hurt and repetition will give him a feel and comfort with the pitch no? and if the changeup gets hammered, throw it some more. it’s aaa.

          • jsbrendog

            meant for matt, not dan, my b-izzle

          • Matt Imbrogno

            BEcause he can stake by on shitty secondary pitches in AAA. He needs to figure out how to get ML hitters w/those pitches.

      • Kevin Winters

        I’ve seen many ppl suggest sending him down. We all know what Hughes will do in the minors which is go down and make the hitters look silly.

  • Ro

    While all the maniacs are calling for Cashman’s head on a stick in the Pineda thread, a situation that’s unfortunate in itself, Hughes is really the thing that concerns me the most, personally. Pineda is a result of just bad management and that’s on the Mariners, if I may say. What I mean by that is their infrastructure, which is a known fact, sucks. The Mariners do not have the same type of clubhouse restrictions the Yankees do, plus with the Mariners, no day, is the big day or better said, there isn’t urgency with them, at all, ever. Pineda’s injury is a result of bad management and he should have spoke up sooner, but again, I think much of this has to do with him being out of shape and I do blame some of that on the Mariners. kind of like a son or daughter who wasn’t parented well. Pineda came to camp out of shape and in my opinion that’s on the Mariners, not the Yanks. Pineda’s new foster parents are meaningfully better, although the Yanks don’t have the best track record when raising their pitchers. It it what it is. He’ll be valuable in 2013 and beyond and will be schooled properly now, I can only hope.

    As for Hughes, there are lots of calls to send him to the bullpen and I agree, but guess what, I don’t think that is where his value is. I think Hughes will be traded at this point. I do believe that. Would I be shocked if Cashman were to make a trade in the coming weeks of Hughes and another arm, like Warren or even Phelps for a single B+ prospect? Could Hughes and Phelps bring back a 5-10 top prospect from most organizations, I think so. Then the Yanks call up Betances or Mitchell to take Phelps place. The reason I say a trade may make more sense is because Hughes is only arb eligible for one more year. Meaning the Yanks can certainly stick him in the bullpen for the rest of 12 and all of 13, but does that provide more value than swapping out to a team, many of which need pitching and may still see potential in him over putting him in a bullpen, that already is very complete. Let’s keep in mind too, that Joba, barring another freak injury should be back in 2013 and in the bullpen. Obviously his injury with his dominant pitching foot is nothing to take lightly, so who knows how he’ll recover, but the relief corps should be pretty full next year too, so having Hughes there, may not be necessary.

    This really really sucks with Phil. I wanted this guy to blow people away again and while the stuff is there, I just wonder if this is AJ Burnett syndrome 2.0. It looks like a pitcher, it smells like a pitcher, but it’s not going to work in New York.

    • Reggie C.

      If Hughes can’t be a semi effective 5th starter , hes a non tender candidate after next season. Cheap relievers are easily acquired.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Depends on how good a reliever. Something resembling 2009 Hughes, with Mo gone, would be a very good thing.

      • Voice of Reason

        A relief pitcher as good as Hughes has been and most likely would be again isn’t cheaply acquired at all. Nontendering Hughes would be a bad idea. Then he’d sign with the Padres or Marlins something, have a 3.50 ERA, and you would all be crying in your soup about how terrible Cashman is.

        • Ro

          Exactly, this is why I am voting to trade him now or before the deadline as it will give any team 1.5 years of control, they can do whatever the hell they want with him. Bullpen or starter.

          I said this last week, but the Angels spent some BIGGGGG bucks this offseason, only to have their pen and #5 in the rotation really cave in. Hughes has a lot of connection to the team and area. I could see Hughes and Phelps being traded for Jean Segura. Call up Betances or Mitchell to take Phelps role, stock Segura in the minors for this season. We’re gonna need some young infield talent soon, so why not.

          Or even better – Hughes and Phelps for Peter Bourjous. Flip Bourjous and Adam Warren to the Nat’s for Anthony Rendon.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Not happening. His trade value is rock bottom right now.

            2009 bullpen Hughes seemed to have a very different approach to pitching. I don’t think it’s out of reach for him to make some serious adjustments out of the pen and be an extremely useful piece.

            If this is Mo’s last year, a Hughes/Robertson late inning combo, if all goes well, would be something. We’ve gone this far. It’s worth seeing if it can become reality.

            • Ro

              Fair enough and yea, I guess I agree about the bullpen format for next season and possibly beyond. While I maybe overvaluing Hughes, I still think he has enough value, especially at time when pitchers generally cost so much in dollars or players, that a 25 year old guy like Hughes, with good stuff, regardless of results, would still be of value to a lot of teams and for multiple uses. I still think Hughes best value right now is via trade. The dudes spirt is all broken and shit, no? The guy can’t be feeling great about things and you have to wonder, would he even be good in the bullpen, on the Yankees, anymore. I don’t know, but sticking him back in the bullpen is no sure thing at this point either. My money is on him being traded.

  • DontChaKnow

    Unfortunately Cashman worships at the alter of Hughes and I don’t see him leaving the rotation, even when Andy comes back.

    When asked about Phil Hughes’ slow start, Yankees GM Brian Cashman pointed out that pitchers such as Tim Lincecum, Adam Wainwright and Jon Lester have also struggled early on. “Based on the list, [Hughes] is in pretty good company,” Cashman said. “I think his stuff has been better than the results.” Cashman doesn’t sound interested in demoting the right-hander to the minors or moving him to the bullpen.

    So, it’ll just be Hughes for 3 innings then they’ll bring his Caddy in for a couple.

    • Bonnie Parker

      LOL! Yeah, Hughes is really in the company with Cy Young like pitchers who have pitched well for more than just 1/2 a season. Cashman is going overboard to protect his man. Hughes just hasn’t been any good, period.

    • LiterallyFigurative

      Tell me, what GM is going to say “Y’know, Hughes really pitched like shit and we don’t want him anywhere near the team!”?

      Why would you use words to devalue an asset, even one who has lost much of it’s value on it’s own?

      I’ve learned not to beleive what people SAY when it comes to sports. The media and certain segments of fandom live on people’s every word and treat press conferences as will and testament.

      • LiterallyFigurative

        If your eyes are telling you Hughes has been terrible, do you really need Cashman to confirm what you already know?

      • G

        Different sport, but Darrly Surter, coach of the LA Kings was quoted as saying that Dustin Penner was “playing like horse s*** ” and that he needed to pick it up. Ever since, he’s played much harder and proven much more valuable. Negative reinforcement can work too.

        • G

          Darryl Sutter*

          • Cris Pengiucci

            Different sport, different skills. With hockey, being a bit more aggressive and being more aware of what’s going on around you can make all the difference in the world. It’s not the same with baseball. However, I do hope that Girardi is making it quite clear to Hughes privately that he’s got few (if any) chances left. I don’t really care what he says publicly.

        • jsbrendog

          yeah but fatty pancakes also was fat and out of shape and hurt his back eating pancakes. he wasnt trying his hardest and having poor results. he was really a lazy turd and needed a kick in the ass to TRY. then he scores the gw in game 1. GO FATTY PANCAKES. GO KINGS GO

          hughes seems to be trying and just not getting results. you can only question effort, and process. if he is doing what he can and working hard how can you go YOUR RESULTS SUCK

          YOU SUCK DO BETTER IN THE GAME does absolutely nothing for anyone.

          but, hey youre lazy, dont be lazy works

      • DT

        If Cashman called out Hughes like he did with Pineda and developing a a change up, i’d be happy. But Cashman (i’m actually a huge supporter of him for the most part) has babied Hughes since ever. He seems unable to declare this guy a bust and never questioned his abilities. Yet with Pineda the moment he arrived it was “He’s not going to be an ace unless he develops a change up” but with Phil it’s “Look at all those cy young winners! Phil Hughes has good stuff!” despite the facts saying otherwise

    • JobaWockeeZ

      He did trade Burnett after we all smoked the object pipe so you never know. But I’m inclined to agree, Hughes will start the entire year despite the results.

      I can live with an instant 4-0 deficit 5th starter as long as everyone else is solid.

  • LiterallyFigurative

    Same issues for Hughes every start.

    He gets ahead and can’t put guys away or get weak contact. He gets 0-2, then it’s a fastball belt high over the plate, or a hanging curveball that a little leaguer could crush. His secondary stuff and command are poor. Pitch selection (Hughes, Martin or Girardi) is terrible. You throw the first two pitches fastballs, then you come back with another one? Not a change-up or waste curve? Maybe it’s because he has such bad control they don’t call them.

    Maybe he needs some time in the minors to work on the curve ball and change up. Or maybe have a start where he throws them 50% of the time. Without them, he will get smacked in the American League.

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      Hughes doesn’t have a true out pitch. His fastball isn’t bad but it’s not “plus” at 92-94 without much movement. His change up, slider and curve are all just weak and while he’s had a decent cutter on occassion, it’s never been consistently good either.

      I wonder why no one teaches the split finger fastball anymore. Maybe after the government is done pissing away money, Clemens can come back and teach some of these young guys Mr. Splitty.

      • jsbrendog

        randy johnson is prob available to teach a splitter. but he would prob be like manny.

        just grip it like this. and throw it.

        just hit da ball mang.

        • Kuck Fruk


  • STONE COLD Austin Romine

    Dj Mitchell is currently pitching better than Garcia , Hughes & Phelps. Why not give him a shot at this point.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      Is he really? He’s facing AAA batters, not MLB batters. Not sure how you can compare them. I’m not opposed to giving anyone a shot, but it’s difficult to justify saying a AAA guys is pitching “better” than someone on the MLB team.

  • Russell NY

    Is there a percentage less than negative infinity?

    • Kuck Fruk

      I’ll go w/Russell Martin’s SLG%.

  • J $

    No my point is when did the standards for professional athletes become so low that they are deemed a hard worker for showing up a month early. It is there obligation to be in peak physical condition all year round. It is one variable that is completely under their control. There is 0 excuse for not being in shape. Oh the trade meant he couldn’t use team facilities? Then join a damn gym or run outside. You made like $300K last year you can afford a NYSC membership. Not saying any of this has anything to do with his shoulder, but he is not a hard worker in my eyes if he was 20lbs overweight. This is a critique of all athletes, but applies in this instance as well.

  • RetroRob

    I do think the quick hooks have been telling. Girardi and all managers give their starters extra rope before they pull them, unless they’ve lost faith. The last two starts Girardi has had a quick hook, with his response to the media being he didn’t like Hughes’ command, pitching up, etc. So, yes, that does mean he’s losing faith and has moved past balancing development with damage control.

    Yet who is the replacement? Andy is at least two starts away, maybe more, and we have no idea yet what he’ll deliver. Based on what I read this morning, his velocity is down three mph from when we last saw him in 2010. I have more faith in Andy at 86 than Phil at 92, but it’s a very open question on what he’ll deliver.

    Phelps? Please. I’m a Phelps believer in that he’s a major leaguer, but I haven’t seen anything that says he’d be better than Phil Hughes.

    So all of you who were worried that the Phelps, Mitchell’s and Warren’s of the world were never going to get their chances, well guess again. We may see more of them then we ever wanted. There is a positive. At least we have them, a quality the Red Sox lacked last year.

  • Fin

    The Yankees are in a bind. Everyone makes it sound like moving Hughes to the pen is easily done. They have lost Pineda for this year, part of next year and maybe forever as a front line starter. They have a 40yr old making a comeback, who we have no idea how good he will be. Garcia stinks. Then they have a bunch of AAA pitchers projected to be back of the rotation guys that are ready. Clearly MBan and Betances are no where near ready to be called up and Betances is looking more like a reliever every time he takes the mound.

    While I never had a ton of faith in Hughes this year, I thought he could be a servicable back of the rotation guy. I’m not qualified enough to make the call, but I can see why the Yankees want to give him more time as there is no one forcing their hand, that is a sure upgrade over Hughes. Its not pretty right now and I dont know if there are any better answers than seeing if Hughes or Garcia can get their act together over a few more starts.

    There is plenty of time to move a Mitchell, Phelps, Warren into the rotation. Its just the end of April, and the Yankees have survived and are in and out of first place. If the move Hughes or Garcia to the pen now, I’m fine with it but I can see why they would want a few more starts out of them before making these decisions.

  • DT

    I’m usually supportive of most Yankees. When Grandy started slow for us, i thought he’ll get better. I expected Jeter to play better after last year’s slow start,same with Arod and co this this year. I also was not ready to pounce on cashman for trading Montero since we needed pitching. But for the life of me i can not stand Phil Hughes. I’m sorry every time he pitches i expect him to get shelled and usually he does not “disappoint”. His failure to mature as starter is one of the reasons we had to go out and get Pineda. The most perplexing thing is that there is very little the Yankees can do with him. He has little to no value now that he has been exposed and we can’t send him back down. (Even if we did he probably will light up AAA where he has no problems, but fails to repeat success in the MLB. He’s a AAAA pitcher) I mean i was optimistic about AJ rebounding last year because he had good peripherals, yet you can’t say the same of Hughes (4.6+ xFIP!!)…I wish the Yanks would just give up on him and cut our losses. He’s hurting the team by starting and doesn’t deserve a rotation spot.

    • Fin

      Eh, I’m not a Hughes fan as a starter, never have been. I do believe in him as a reliever though. He just doesnt have the secondary pitches, stamina or elite fastball to be better than a bottom of the rotation starter in my opinon. He will sit between 94-96 as a reliever and be very effective for an inning as he has been in the past. He has value but just not as a starter.

      I liked this article It basically advocates switching Hughes and Robertson’s roles. I dont trust the Yankees to do it without ruining Robertson or Roberston getting hurt though.

  • AJavier Pavanogawa

    You know who looks good this year? Ted Lilly!

    • gageagainstthemachine

      didn’t he also have the surgery Pineda is undergoing?

  • gageagainstthemachine

    Speaking of new pitching woes, with Pineda out for ’12 and Hughes (the focus of the post) and Garcia being big question marks at this point…do we bother to give Roy Oswalt a call at all (just to kick the tires)? Personally, I’d like to see the kids get their chances, but Oswalt is not the worst thing to consider giving a chance. It would probably be much cheaper since he never signed on, however when would he be ready. Just curious on thoughts. Unless I’m wrong and he’s not available at all.

    • ROBTEN

      At this point, Oswalt would, at best, be a second-half, stretch-run acquisition. You have to sign him soon for him to be ready at the half-way point, I think. That’s not to say no, just that I can’t see where he’d be ready any time soon.

      • gageagainstthemachine

        That’s pretty much my thinking too at this point. And if he’s needed that badly in the stretch run then I think a whole lot more things have gone wrong that he’s necessary option. I just saw his name kicked around somewhere else and thought I’d throw it out there. Personally, I think they’ll be ok. And like I said, if Garcia and Hughes are that bad there’s no better time to see if we have what it takes in the minors. If we can’t make it through part of a season without dipping into AAA for spot/extended starts than it says our pitching depth and development is really that piss poor. Here’s hoping it’s all a moot point real soon with better results from who we currently have (and Andy upon return)

  • rogue

    Hughes makes me wish the Yankees still had AJ Burnett.

  • http://none Minka

    Is Jeff Weaver still pitching?

  • http://none Dick Cheney’s Kidney

    Jeff Weaver is available and he has a better career ERA than
    mr hughes win -loss 104–119; ERA 4.71
    Strikeouts 1,214

  • http://none Dick Cheney’s Kidney

    sorry, Hughes has a better ERA for his career than jeff: 4.53

  • Jesse From NY

    I wonder if Dave Duncan might be interested in coaching again. If anyone can get Hughes rolling, he can.