Open Thread: Brett Gardner Update

Game 20: Reverse Lock
Campos rocked, Austin homers twice in win
(REUTERS/Steve Nesius)

If you’re like me and you’ve had your fill of Raul Ibanez in the outfield, I have good news for you. Brett Gardner swung a bat today for the first time since being placed on the DL with a bone bruise and a strain in his right elbow ten days ago. He took ten dry swings and another 15 off a tee, reporting no pain afterwards. Gardner could be ready to take batting practice as soon as Monday. He’s eligible to come off the DL on Friday, and hopefully we don’t have to wait a minute longer.

Here is your open thread for the night. The Rangers (win) and Knicks (loss) already played, but the Mets are in action tonight and MLB Network will air a game as well. Most of the country will see Bryce Harper’s debut (9pm ET). That’s neat. You folks know what to do with these threads by now, so have it.

Game 20: Reverse Lock
Campos rocked, Austin homers twice in win
  • Mike Nitabach

    Axisa, you were right. The tying run came to the plate. I tip my glass in your honor!

  • DM

    Maybe they should put Brett in the rotation.

  • NJB

    There must be a short term solution in AAA or AA for Ibanez until Gardner returns. Yes? No? Or why not Andru Jones in LF full time until Gardner returns?

    • The Guns of Navarone

      Andruw Jones is a RIGHT HANDED BATTER!!! Therefor he can only bat against lefties. Don’t be silly. :-)

  • Dick M

    I wonder if Girardi keeps track of how many runs he costs us with those intentional walks.

    • Midland TX

      You’re going to keep complaining about an intentional walk to Prince Fielder to get to an emergency roster replacement call-up from Toledo? It’s not Girardi’s fault Garcia threw an 0-2 78mph meatball over the middle of the plate.

      • The Guns of Navarone

        But it was his fault that Fielder was on first base when it happened. That’s cut and dry.

        • Need Pitching

          and what are the odds that Garcia would have worked back from a 3-0 count to retire Fielder instead???

          Slim to none

          • The Guns of Navarone

            It doesn’t make sense to speak in hypotheticals. Garcia didn’t walk him. Girardi did. That’s what happened.

            Personally, it doesn’t make much sense to put an extra man on base for a pitcher who has struggled to get outs all season. Girardi sees how bad he’s pitched. That’s bad managing. Let the pitcher walk him.

            • Need Pitching

              my point is just it would have likely made 0 difference in the game. Freddy started the AB with 3 straight splitters, none of them particularly close, iirc. He wanted nothing to do with Fielder in that situation. Unintentional intentional walk or intentional walk really doesn’t make any difference. If Girardi didn’t call for ball 4, Freddy would have thrown it anyways.
              And in general, I would rather take my chances with Dirks with a fresh count and 2 on with 2 outs than Fielder with a 3-0 count and a runner on second with 2 outs. If that same situation played out over and over again, I would assume pitching to Fielder would result in more runs than pitching to Dirks.

              • The Guns of Navarone

                If Girardi didn’t call for ball 4, Freddy would have thrown it anyways.

                I agree that this is a probability, but it’s not what HAPPENED. We cannot tell with any certainty how that AB would have played out. And regardless of how it played out, we certainly couldn’t have pinned it on the manager. But Joe Girardi took it upon himself to put that runner on base, fearing a run scoring hit or 2-run HR. What he got was a 3-R HR.

                I also agree that Dirks is a less dangerous hitter than Fielder. But, as a manger, you have to evaluate what’s happening on the field. Your pitcher cannot throw quality strikes. He’s struggling throwing strikes in general. Is it really that wise to take the outcome OUT OF HIS HANDS and put an extra runner on base?? That runner is on the manager. Plain and simple.

                At that point, the game was not out of hand. It was the first inning. Worst possible outcome pitching to Fielder is a 2-R HR. Worst possible outcome walking Fielder and pitching to Dirks is three runs. That’s exactly what happened.

                You make a tough inning even tougher by putting extra men on base. You can quibble all you want with how much it affects the game. But I don’t believe it’s a mangers job to give the other team runs.

                • Need Pitching

                  so you believe that there is absolutely no scenario at any time when an intentional walk should be used?

                  • The Guns of Navarone

                    Well, let’s not start making blanket statements. I personally believe it should be used extremely rarely… bunting as well.

                    My main point of contention is that I don’t want to be able to pinpoint runs on the manager when the pitching staff has a hard enough time preventing them.

                    • Need Pitching

                      I’m just saying that logic would apply in every situation. The worst case scenario will always be worse after an intentional walk. Seems at some point the manager needs to make judgements about when the cost of making the worst case scenario worse is outweighed by the benefit of bypassing a certain hitter (especially with a 3-0 count already in place)

        • Midland TX

          You’re mistaken in considering it a “fault.” It was the correct decision.

          If you don’t get why you walk the perennial MVP candidate who’s slugged .537 lifetime in order to face the 25th man on the roster with 235 big-league PAs, then it’s not worth wasting breath on you.

          If you can’t distinguish between a manager’s correct decision and a player’s failure to execute based on that decision, ditto.

      • Voice of Reason

        Barring extreme circumstances, a walk is a better-than-average result for a hitter regardless of who’s on deck. There’s no reason to “get to” anyone with 2 outs and a runner on 2nd in the first inning.

        As for the pitch being a meatball, pitches in that exact location are grounded to second all the time, even by non-emergency roster replacements, and sometimes “good” pitches are hit out of the park, even by emergency roster replacements. “Well it’s Garcia’s fault” doesn’t remotely approximate an excuse for Girardi’s decision making.

        • Need Pitching

          I would consider a 3-0 count against a great hitter with a shitty pitcher on the mound a fairly extreme circumstance

          • The Guns of Navarone

            In the 2nd inning of a game???? With a lefty on deck? What lefty can’t hit a home run to right field at Yankee Stadium against Freddy Garcia? I guess our opinions differ.

            The fact that he’s a “shitty pitcher” should only enforce the fact that you shouldn’t put extra men on base for him, regardless of who’s on deck. How many more extra men that Girardi puts on base have to cross the plate? He’s not a good manager folks. I hate to be the bearer of bad news. People slowly started to recognize this fact last season and it’s carried over into this season.

            • Need Pitching

              I think Girardi is a mediocre manager, and I criticize him frequently when it is warranted. Odds of Garcia coming back to retire Fielder already down 3-0 in the count are slim to none. Odds of Garcia retiring Dirks with a 0-0 count are better. If he walked Fielder intentionally from the start, I would agree that it was a bad decision. Doing it with a 3-0 count when Garcia seemed to want no part of throwing a strike to Fielder in that situation anyways really made no difference in the game, and really isn’t worthy of getting worked up about.

              And it was the first inning.

              • The Guns of Navarone

                The only reason I’m mildly worked up over it is because it’s not the first time he’s done this and it won’t be the last time.

                The Yankee pitching is bad enough to sit through. Yet I have to watch the manager cost the team runs on a consistent basis as well. A less you hear a manager’s name during a game, the better he’s managed it. He shouldn’t have his fingerprints all over the game.

                If he’s willing to have CC walk Sean Rodriguez in the first inning of the first game of the season, there’s literally no limit to what he’ll do.

                • Need Pitching

                  I agree that one was absolutely dumb. I just see a very large distinction between having your ace IBB Sean Rodriguez and having Freddy IBB Prince Fielder with a 3-0 count already in place. CC has gotten Rodriguez out in 60% of their meetings. Prince Fielder in his career has made out in only about 15% of his PA after a 3-0 count. With CC, the odds of getting an out were still in his favor, with Freddy, the odds of getting Fielder out were drastically lower.

    • The Guns of Navarone

      Girardi has to be one of the worst managers in baseball. His IBB, bunting, pinch hitting, and defensive shifts are a joke. I cringe when I see how he sets his defense for different hitters. It’s like watching an amateur comic dying onstage at a roast. You’re out of your league, son. He does a tremendous job with the bullpen and pitching staff in general which should be commended. But a manager should not cost his team runs. Period. Girardi routinely does that.

  • tom zig

    Just cut garcia already….useless

  • WTK

    There’s no fucking way Garcia makes his next start, right?

    This isn’t September tanking games time.

  • daneptizl

    Mike, you made a mistake in the game thread… it’s not RHP, Freddy Garcia… its RIP, Freddy Garcia.

  • SMK

    Instead of ‘earned runs’, they should call them ‘Freddy Garcias’.

    “He had a rough start. He gave up six Freddy Garcias in only an inning and a two thirds.”

    • Betty Lizard

      Hee! (and sob . . .)

  • Who’s Your Daddy?

    How about Girardi not stretching out Phelps’ arm? Are they really going to have Garcia start another game?

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    Should I sign Mike Trout to my fantasy squad?

    I’d have to drop Logan Morrison or Shin Sho Cho

    • Kramerica Industries

      I added both Harper and Trout when they came available.

      I know I dropped Delmon Young for Harper (yay for fortuitous hate crimes!), I think I dropped Chris Iannetta (for now) for Trout.

      I also have LoMo, but I wouldn’t risk dropping him. Iannetta and Young are the types I’ll probably add and drop 50 times before the season is over, just in the pursuit of gaining slim advantages over the comp.

      On a related note – some assclown dropped Markakis and Aramis Ramirez last week. I couldn’t believe it. Basically gave me a free upgrade over how shitty Mitch Moreland’s been.

      • Kramerica Industries

        Shit, but this doesn’t answer your question.

        Drop Choo.

  • Clyde Barrow

    Of course Girardi is going to let Freddy make another start. He had a chance to skip him this time and he didn’t. Quote from Cashman tomorrow: “Tim Lincecum and Jon Lester had slow starts to the season as well so Freddy is in good company. We’re behind Freddy and Phil 100%.”

    • The Guns of Navarone

      “Absolutely… Freddy Garcia was healthy when we signed him.”

    • Scheister of Doom

      Fire Cashman! I’d prefer Axisa as GM any day. While Cash is out having affairs with troll looking women, Mike is working 12-18 hour days! Hughes and Garcia should not throw another pitch for the Yanks rotation, maybe the Empire State team but not the ML club. Phelps to replace Garcia and Mitchell or Warren to replace Hughes. I’d really love to see Robertson given a chance to start next year if he can develop his change some more.

      • Brian S.

        I wonder what Mike’s first move as GM would be.

      • CJ

        Fire Cashman and replace him with mike to make and receive offers, final decisions will be made based on results of a poll on RAB. Can’t do worse than Cashman.

    • Manny’s BanWagon

      He can’t really say otherwise until they’re ready to pull the plug on both of them. I think Hughes will get another few starts but I think Garcia will be replaced by Phelps.

      • GardnergoesYardner

        Agreed. They can only kick one out right now, and while Hughes at least has some material to work with, Garcia has lost all control and velocity of his pitches, and half the time it looks like he doesn’t know where the ball is going. It’s infuriating to watch.

    • GardnergoesYardner

      Joe: “We just have to let him work out his issues, even if it means in games. I’m a big believer in patience, and Garcy has my full support. It’s not like we have other viable options. Phelpsy, Mitchellsy, and Warrensy, although pitching great, are just not going to work because I have a strange man crush on pitchers over the age of 35.”

  • Bo Knows

    Campos had his behind kicked today

    2.2 innings 3 walks, 7 hits, 8ER

    • GardnergoesYardner

      It’s amazing how the dreams and hopes of so many are resting on the shoulders of a 19 year old kid pitching in Low A…

    • Pat D

      Could you please do something to PREVENT these suicidal thoughts I’ve been developing since the announcement of Pineda being done?

      • Brian S.

        Pineda isn’t DONE done.

        • Pat D

          But this year could be done! I can’t stand it anymore! It’s only been three years since they won the Series! I won’t tolerate another 9 year drought!!!

        • CJ

          Yeah he probably is though. He is done in the sense that he can not be considered more than a fifth starter in 2012. He could return but he can’t be counted on he takes a year to return, and pitches well for a year after his return.

    • CJ

      Great maybe he has a torn shoulder or elbow or gained 15 pounds or just simply lost “command of his fastball”

  • DERP

    Another two homers for Tyler Austin today.


  • Kevin Winters

    Question was Josh Hamilton rated as high or higher than Bryce Harper when he was his age in terms of everything: fielding, hitting, speed, defense, ceiling, etc

    • CJ

      Hamilton may gave actually rated higher in all tools. Harper had way more hype starting with SI and YouTube in HS. Hamilton was rated tool wise best since ARod Griffey. He was in Hudson valley at one point. Injury first than issues derailed him.

  • J

    The Rockies recently had a promotion going where if you could top Jamie Moyer’s average fastball velocity you got free tickets. Maybe the Yanks could do something similar: Get deeper into a major league start than Freddy and free season tickets?

  • CJ

    I hope cashman is on the chopping block. You don’t want him putting together a 2014 189 roster

  • Ethan

    What makes harper such a highly touted prospect? I realize he is really young and everything but his numbers throughout his time in the minors aren’t insane. Is he a 5 tool player that hasn’t really shown it in the minors?

    • Ethan

      touted is not the right word haha

    • Bo Knows

      Light tower power, insanely athletic, quick, and can adjust to offspeed stuff between at-bats

      He’s a year younger than trout and is holding his own against AAA. He has not dominated yet, but he has that capability once he accrues the experience

    • V

      Tools are tools. He has insane bat speed – that’s going to translate into success as long as he has good plate discipline.

  • Paul VuvuZuvella

    River Dogs boxscore is a hoot. Check it out.

  • CT Yankee

    NFL draft wrapped up today. How’d your teams do? What would you grade them?

    I being the odd Broncos fan thought we did pretty good. Though I got nervous when we kept trading down and out of the first round. Reminded me of Tebow all over again.

    Solid B.

  • Plank

    At the beginning of the the stretch against the Twins, Red Sox, Rangers, and Tigers, I said I would be satisfied with 7-6.

    They have one game to go (with one rainout) and they are 6-5 during that stretch. It’s really not as bad as all the agony on the boards make it seem.

    The team is actually playing fine. They need to improve the back end of their pitching. That’s a much easier problem to solve than losing games because your lineup isn’t good enough. Replacing 2 players is a lot easier than replacing 9.

  • Cy Pettitte

    Anyone else notice during the wave that happened behind Harper during his 3rd AB on the pitch that he hit his double on that a guy mooned the camera? too funny. it’s on the video on

    • V

      His first MLB pitch also had a mooner I think.

  • TheLastClown

    Don’t know if anyone’s around reading here, but that Harper debut Dodgers v. Nats game has been a real treat to watch.

    Strasburg dominant through 7, the only run was given up when the C dropped a laser OF assist from Harper that beat Loney by plenty.

    Harper hit a booming double in his 3rd PA, also drove in the go ahead run with a SF in the top of the 9th.

    Billingsley was on his game as well, it’s a pleasure to watch him throw the ball.

    Dodgers mounting a comeback with 2 outs in the bottom of the 9th, third out was a SO, ball to the backstop putting the winning run on 3rd.

    MUCH better game than the one I watched earlier!