Game 30: All Wet


Future Yankee David Price signing autographs for his future fans between the rain drops. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)

It’s been another overcast and rainy day in New York, with on-and-off showers basically since the game ended last night. The forecast calls for thunderstorms all night, or rather some percent chance of thunderstorms all night. This morning it didn’t look like there was anyway they’d get the game in, but now there appears to be just enough of a window. I’d be okay will calling for the tarp after five innings if the Yankees have the lead, wouldn’t you? Here’s the starting nine…

SS Derek Jeter
CF Curtis Granderson
3B Alex Rodriguez
2B Robinson Cano
1B Mark Teixeira
RF Nick Swisher
DH Raul Ibanez
Russell Martin
LF Dewayne Wise

RHP David Phelps

Tonight’s game is scheduled to start a little after 7pm ET, but again it’s unclear if that will actually happen. The game will air on YES locally and ESPN nationally, however. Enjoy.

Mark Teixeira Update: Apparently Tex has been dealing with a lingering cough, but Chad Jennings and Erik Boland report that he saw a specialist today and was diagnosed with inflamed airways. He doesn’t have a virus and the inflammation should clear up on its own within two weeks. I didn’t even know he was sick.

Eric Chavez Update: Eric Chavez told Jennings that he feels 100% after suffering whiplash diving for a ball last week. He hopes to be activated off the 7-day DL when eligible tomorrow, but he has to wait for MLB to review his concussion test first.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. GardnergoesYardner says:

    Price isn’t pitching tonight, is he?

    • #28 in 2012 says:

      Niemann is, but I like Mike’s thinking.

      • GardnergoesYardner says:

        Ah thanks. I agree, never too early to start dissecting that 2015 Sabathia-Hamels-Price front three.

        • #28 in 2012 says:

          If Hamels survives getting hit by NL pitchers this year, we may see this dream come true. Dude is so old school he could have pitched for The Old Perfessor.

          • GardnergoesYardner says:

            Haha the one part about playing in the NL that I would enjoy. He probably will come scrambling to New York just so he doesn’t have to bat and get hit anymore.

  2. jjyank says:

    Come on Phelps, give Hughes a battle for that rotation spot!

    • FachoinaNYY says:

      While I agree in spirit, I think no matter how well phelps is pitching, he will get pulled in favor of hughes at this point. Hughes has show legitimate improvement and the organization is not going to pull him now.

      • jjyank says:

        I know, you’re right. And that’s fine with me as long as Hughes pitches alright, I just want Phelps to pitch well tonight regardless.

  3. GardnergoesYardner says:

    Anyone hear about Beckett hitting the links when he missed his start? I feel like he’s been doing everything but starting for them recently. With guys like him and Lackey, how could you not respect the Sawwwx?

    • Pat D says:

      Yea, I was just about to comment on this.

      Like I said in last night’s game recap, I’m starting to think this team has angered some higher power and is paying dearly for their transgressions.

      You can run on for a long time,
      run on for a long time,
      run on for a long time,
      Sooner or later, God’ll cut you down,
      Sooner or later, God’ll cut you down

  4. Nathan says:

    Was just outside the stadium (in town! w00t!) and saw Girardi outside the stadium around 1pm. Looked like he went for a jog outside the stadium and headed in. Looks good outside, not even sprinkling.

  5. RE: Mariano’s blot clot…it’s almost a blessing that he tore his ACL because at anytime that could’ve turned into an Aneurysm…or moved into his heart…

  6. The Dude says:

    Ben “I do 90% of all my hitting/walking against the Yankees” Zobrist.

  7. Tony says:

    Its dead in here so far


  9. Professor Longnose says:

    That was a bad, bad walk.

  10. Clyde Barrow says:

    He’s laboring. This will be his last start.

  11. Tyrone Sharpton says:

    i like me some dewayne wise. maybe get delmon young on the cheap too?

    • Tyrone Sharpton says:

      nvm i thought gardner would be out a lot longer. still, young’s value is prob really low

  12. They should at least cut into the audio for the TV broadcast sooner…

  13. Need Pitching says:

    well, that was adventurous

  14. Cy Pettitte says:

    good job not imploding

  15. This is honestly a terrible job by the Stadium’s techincal crew…

  16. flamingo says:

    Good job by Phelps there.

  17. Professor Longnose says:

    Ground out, no runs. OK, could have been a lot worse.

  18. Bartolo's Colon says:

    yea phelpsy, that was fun

  19. flamingo says:

    Oh hey, it’s Michael Kay on my radio. Well.

  20. Cuso says:

    Isn’t it about time for A-Rod to not be batting 3rd or 4th?

  21. Robby’s finally coming around :)

  22. Tony says:


  23. flamingo says:

    I hope Good Cano has decided to show up for the season!

  24. Mike Axisa says:

    There’s the Cano we know and love.

  25. jjyank says:

    Love the oppo fielders! Nice Robbie.

  26. Bartolo's Colon says:

    i thought jeter was going to be done

  27. Cy Pettitte says:

    Nice to see real Cano back. impostor Cano sucked.

  28. jimmy says:

    Jeter flew around the bases. Holy crap.

  29. Chip says:

    Yeah Jeter looks like he’s 25 again, this is fun

  30. handtius says:

    looks like canoooo is back. it was only a matter of time…his regression with be suffered by the rest of baseball.

  31. Athenian says:

    Tex’s low BA and ok power numbers makes him Carlos Pena.

  32. The Dude says:

    Argh. BABIP fucked again by the Rays. Damn you Carlos Pena!

  33. Clyde Barrow says:

    At least Jeter’s still doing his part and then some. Robbie’s coming around.

  34. RetroRob says:

    Unassisted triple play is basically all luck. I’ve been lucky enough to have been at a perfect game (Cone) and saw the Mets hit into an unassisted triple play at CitiField a couple years back against the Phillies. Total fluke.

  35. Need Pitching says:

    hooray for 9 pitch innings

  36. Cy Pettitte says:

    nice inning, good for the pitch count too.

  37. jjyank says:

    Nice bounce back for Phelps, only 9 pitches.

  38. flamingo says:

    Hopefully Phelps has more of those sorts of innings.

  39. handtius says:

    a quickie. they ladies don’t usually like them, but i do!

  40. Clyde Barrow says:

    Nice bounce back inning by Phelps. Throw strikes and make this weak lineup put the ball in play.

  41. Chip says:

    Phelps really needed that one

  42. dkidd says:

    is it possible jeter was secretly hurt the last 2 years? or that he saw barolo’s doc over the winter?

    • RetroRob says:

      Sure, it’s possible. I could have accepted that for 2010, but also the first half of 2011?

      Maybe he was injured in 2010 and fell out of his normally good hitting habits and didn’t fix it until his DL time and meeting with Denbo and did his best Yoda on Jeter’s swing.

      It’s also possible it was age related and Jeter was able to make an adjustment. I never write off great players too quickly when they suddenly have an off year in their mid-30s. Some, for whatever reasons, are able to make an adjustment and bounce back. Some fade away.

    • Pat D says:

      I think Buster Olney has been pushing the “he must have been hurt” theory.

      Or Andrew Marchand. Someone associated with ESPN.

  43. Will says:

    Whoa. So is that one of those mythical 1-2-3 innings people have talked about? I thought they didn’t exist!

  44. handtius says:

    fuckinf caps scored already. the fucking russian ogre.

  45. flamingo says:


  46. jjyank says:

    Jeez my first thought was “TRIPLE PLAY!”

    • Chip says:

      Agreed, then I realized that we actually have decent speed on this team

    • RetroRob says:

      I guess that’s what he was thinking, but he was too far off the bag. No triple play, and he lost the double play.

      • jjyank says:

        Yeah, it was the wrong play for sure, he traded two outs for one. A triple play just seems like something the Rays would do to the Yanks.

        • keithr says:

          I was at the second to last game of the season last year @ the Trop. They turned one there and I was kind of happy about it.

      • RetroRob says:

        Actually, to update, I don’t think he had a chance at a triple play. He was going for the double play, but instead of going the traditional route with the runner advancing the third, he thought he could get the double play by eliminating the lead runner at third and the next runner at second. Two outs, runner on first. Maybe Longoria could have pulled off that double play. Not sure. Not Sean Rodriquez. He should have gone for the guaranteed two outs.

        No matter. No score!

  47. RetroRob says:

    Poor play by Rodriquez. Gave up the double play.

  48. Cuso says:

    Niemann hadn’t thrown a single pitch in the zone until that 2-2 pitch to Martin

  49. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Rodriguez had an easy DP if he went to first.

    • Chip says:

      Naw, Martin would have beat it out. If he had gone immediately to second they would have had em though

  50. I also think Wise should try to bunt for a hit too…only because he isn’t much of a hitter anyway.

  51. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Nieman looks like he’s Amish.

  52. I know that everybody here hates the bunt…but if Martin had laid one down and the inning had played out the way it did, we’d have another run probably…then again I’ve only got the radio and Gameday, so I can only assume that the fly ball that Wise hit was deep enough to score Swish from third.

    • Chip says:

      I don’t really think I could possibly add to that

      • flamingo says:

        Wow. Sentimentality aside, I really don’t want Mattingly anywhere near the Yankees managerial role now.

        “Sacrifice” my foot. Don’t give away outs.

    • Need Pitching says:

      unlikely Swish would have scored on that, it was a shallow fly
      unless Joyce throws like Damon

    • Professor Longnose says:

      Wise grasshoppers don’t hate the bunt. They hate giving up an out when the return isn’t worth it. Decreasing the odds of scoring more than one run in an inning in return for increasing the odds of scoring one run works when that one run is particularly important, or when other circumstances say that the odds of scoring more than one run is particularly low just then anyway.

      Bunting for a hit is a whole different story, and is a good play if you’re not sacrificing too much power, or you’re potentially moving the defense, or other favorable circumstances.

  53. Cuso says:

    Bad inning there. Not a huge deal…..but really poor job of hitting. Not a single pitch in the strike zone to Swisher or Ibanez. 2-0 count to Martin swings at 2 consecutive balls and then Niemann finally makes a pitcher’s pitch. Wise poor selection. Jeter gets a pass because everyone else already effed up.

  54. jjyank says:

    7 in a row! I’m liking Phelps.

  55. Cy Pettitte says:

    Phelps looks very good. Joe G. is gonna have a hard decision to make it appears.

  56. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Does anyone think Phelps has any chance to stay in the rotation no matter how well he pitches?

    I think he goes to the pen regardless

  57. Chip says:

    Wow, solid trivia question

  58. Zooboy says:

    Luke Scott: chia pet.

  59. Cy Pettitte says:

    Phelps please teach CC how to pull your hand back instead of reaching for those liners

    • jjyank says:

      I wish, but I don’t know if you can teach something like that, it’s just instinct. My brother and I have been snowboarders our whole lives, and we both know not to break a fall with your hands. I am good at pulling them in, and he broke his hand last year continually stick his hand out.

      • Yeah, from skateboarding when I was young I learned the hard way bad things happen when you stick your hands out…but was never able to pull them back…

        • jjyank says:

          And about 6 months ago he broke it again while longboarding back to his dorm after a class. Considering he’s broken it that way before, he knows better. Just instinct.

      • handtius says:

        I know all about this too. snowbaording and skateboarding for 20+ years. I know how to roll on a fall, but still have the instincts to put my hands up. broken both wrist when i was a teen, lucky not at the same time.

        • Yeah, knowing how to fall, and falling properly are two completely different things.

          • jjyank says:

            Absolutely. Something you better learn quick when you’re ripping down the icy mountains out on the east coast.

            • You ever make your way out west to the Rockies? I hear Denver is great for snowboarding. I’m really upset I never got into it.

              • jjyank says:

                Man I wish. I’ve never been out west, despite the fact that snowboarding is the only hobby I have that my passion rivals baseball. I’ve been at just about every mountain worth going to on the east coast though, Canada included. My undergrad days in Vermont were like 4 years of vacation haha.

                • handtius says:

                  we you in Burlington or Rutland? used to spend a lot of time up there back in the 90s.

                  • jjyank says:

                    Burlington, went to UVM. Had passes at various times at Stowe, Sugarbush, and Jay Peak, but I’ve also hit up Mt. Snow, Okema, Killington, among others. Though the best was Mt. Tremblant in Canada. Great, great place to be.

                    • handtius says:

                      Tremblant is amazing. been there many times. late winter is best when it’s a little warmer. less ice.

                    • jjyank says:

                      Yep, I was there for a 4 day weekend on mid-March one year, it was one of the best times of my life. Besides the fact that I was 19 at the time so I could hit up the bars legally for the first time after a fully day of shred.

                      I love that it’s both sides of the mountain, twice the amount of trails with zero time on annoying transfer lifts.

              • handtius says:

                the west is amazing. was in breck last year and we got dumped on. powder riding is the third best feeling in the world.

                • 1.Sex
                  2.Winning the World Series
                  3.Fresh Powder?

                  • handtius says:


                    1. sex
                    2. motorcycle
                    3. fresh powder

                    never personally won the world series. doesn’t count

                    • jjyank says:

                      As a former baseball player, I’d go:

                      1. Sex
                      2. Carving fresh powder
                      3. That split second jolt you get when you square up a ball perfectly as a hitter

                    • You’re both wrong though
                      1. Sex
                      2. That moment you realize you caught a wave perfectly
                      3. Waking up and realizing you are completely free that day, with nothing but leisure activities to do.

                    • handtius says:

                      i guess we each have our own. if you’ve never rode a motorcycle, try it. it will make it into your top 3.

                    • jjyank says:

                      Well I’ve never surfed, but #3 is a solid option. But absolutely murdering a baseball and watching it sale over the fence is beautiful. That’s why I never mind when a home run hitter does it. It’s probably one of the best feelings ever for him.

          • handtius says:

            oh yeah, execution is easier said then done.

            Don’t know if you guys are city folk, but there’s a skate contest at astoria park sat. sponsored by 5boro, but i’ll be pushing my stuff as well.

  60. Clyde Barrow says:

    This ump is a big contrast from Joyce last night. He’s been calling the low strike which Phelps is taking advantage of.

  61. Bartolo's Colon says:

    why is pettitte coming back? we have too many starting pitchers

  62. Bartolo's Colon says:

    kay says that every game he pitches in

  63. Alkaline says:

    Come on. Quick inning here Phelps. Get yourself through the 6th.

  64. I really hate Ben Zobrist.

  65. Don'tcha Know? says:

    Hey Mike, can you possibly address an article that articulates why Black Hole Martin cannot hit the ball? What’s his deal, yo?

  66. cjc says:

    i swear this is the only team he hits against

  67. jjyank says:

    Someone in my fantasy league just dropped Matt Joyce. Joyce is eligible for LF and RF, and my current corner outfielders are J. Upton (RF) Gardner (LF, though he’s on the DL obviously) Logan Morrison (LF) Swisher (RF) and Boesch (LF and RF). Is Joyce a better option than any of them?

  68. Mike Axisa says:

    That walk doesn’t bother me one bit, to be honest. Pena’s due for an second decker.

  69. Clyde Barrow says:

    Phelps was so good and then he went back to walking guys. Make Upton beat you. This is a weak lineup.

  70. Mike Axisa says:

    Take him out, get the LHP in there against Joyce.

  71. flamingo says:

    It would be nice if D-Rob was coming in now.

  72. I would really like to see Phelps get through this. Joe isn’t going to let it happen, but it would’ve been nice to see.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Girardi SHOULDN’T let that happen. This is the right move, whether it works or not.

      • I agree it’s the right move to win tonight, but it basically is telling Phelps “I have zero confidence in you, and you’re not getting another start unless somebody’s arm falls off.”

        • handtius says:

          i honestly think phelps just got tired. he hasn’t been throwing with regularity as a starter, so it makes sense to take him out. i think phelps earned respect for his second start.

          • jjyank says:

            I agree. The fans gave him a nice hand for a reason, Phelps did well considering it’s his second start after being used erratically.

        • RetroRob says:

          No. I agree with the others here. He is the long man in the pen, but is not stretched out for 100+ pitches. He ran out of gas. He also might have been have been thinking “all I need is one more out” and it got in his head.

          Overall he looked good. Nice to know he’s a starter option, but back to the pen for him.

    • cjc says:

      can’t do it in a 1 run game

  73. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Phelps pitched well but he’s going to the pen come Sunday.

  74. flamingo says:

    I did not think Logan could do that. Glad to be surprised, though.

  75. Mike Nitabach says:


  76. Cy Pettitte says:

    LOOGY being a LOOGY is a beautiful thing

  77. Manny's BanWagon says:

    Some nut in my fantasy league dropped Desmond Jennings for Ibanez. I claimed him on waivers and if I get him should I drop Mike Trout or Genardo Parra?

  78. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Looks like the walk plague is finally being cured in AAA.

  79. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    Red Sox already down 3-0. I’m starting to think they will have a losing record this year. They have a lot of REAL problems.

    • I still think they’ll figure it out at least a little bit, I mean I don’t think they’ll win more than 89-90 games but I think they can get to 90

      • Foghorn Leghorn says:

        I know they have talent, but that staff is an absolute mess. and the pen will be overworked by June.

        Lester has already thrown 50 pitches in two innings. If he and beckett can’t go more than 6 innings they are Phucked.

        • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

          To be fair, Lester really got screwed by Byrd’s misplay.

          They do have serious problems with their pitching, and their bullpen is beyond terrible. Daniel Bard has probably been their best starter. They kinda make me think of the mid 90′s Rockies – they definitely have hitting, can’t pitch to save their life.

          I wonder what the hell is up with Lester. He’s a great pitcher and there weren’t any real reasons to think he would regress this much this year. The one guy they thought they could count on has really been disappointing. Add the fact that they have over $60 million on the DL, they’re in a tough position.

          • Foghorn Leghorn says:

            Lester may have gotten screwed by an error, but that’s baseball. He is throwing way too many pitches. A team can get by with a weak staff if at least 2 starters can regularly give 7+ but that ain’t happening in beantown.

            I don’t know what’s up with him. He’s a horse, but I think he’s a victim of his own nibbling. I’ve always thought he got Tom Glavine treatment by getting favorable calls on teh corner as the game goes on. It seems like he gets pretty pissed at the umps if he doesn’t get those calls.

            Bucholz looks like crap. And Beckett is going to get lynched one of these days. They are actualy looking forward to Dice K’s return!

            Now they have a lot of injuries, but they have zero depth. Middlebrooks is providing a spark, but he will drop off soon once the book gets around.

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              A team can get by with a weak staff if at least 2 starters can regularly give 7+ but that ain’t happening in beantown.

              Or in the Bronx…looking at you Freddy and Phail.

              • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

                CC, Kuroda, Andy, Nova, Phelps

                I wouldn’t at all be surprised if that’s the rotation within a few weeks. Boston isn’t touching that.

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  Never said they were…just that the Yankees also have rotation woes, not as bad as Boston does…but woes nonetheless.

                  • Foghorn Leghorn says:

                    right..the odd thing is the claims that the sox pitching staff was a strength when in fact pitching issues have plagued them for the past 4 years.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      They just tied it…to be fair Hosmer and Moustakas are both resting. Much to my Fantasy team’s chargin

  80. handtius says:

    hey Plouff, you said you were from paramus. Do you remember Eastern Board and Skate?

    • I heard of it when I was younger, but never had the money to go…honestly when ever I could convince my parents to got a skate park my friends and I would go to the Rex Plex…one of my fondest memories from childhood/young teens was hitting that 16foot vert ramp and surviving it.

      • handtius says:

        haha…nah, EBS was a skateshop. used to work there in the 90s. I used to go to rex plex all the damn time! was actually an am skater in the tony hawk tour there. got to open up the floor in front of the fans before the pros came out. that vert was nuts. i spent most of my time on the street park section.

        • Haha, I’m much younger than you give me credit for, I’m only 22 so most of my skating was done in the early 00′s. I used to us CCS skate catalog and a local shop in River Edge called SkateWerks for all my supplies.

  81. RetroRob says:

    Why does it seem whenever Tampa softly hits a ball to right center it always perfectly splits the Yankees OFers?

    My imagination?

  82. handtius says:

    don’t know if anyone else is watching, but the rangers look like crap…loosing 0-2

  83. jjyank says:

    Question for you guys about the Sox. Say they continue to flounder. Does the rookie GM start to feel the heat and make a desperation pitching trade? Or does he stay the course? I’m curious.

    • RetroRob says:

      I don’t think they go desperate. If they make a determination that the right pieces aren’t in place, I can see them trading someone like Youkilis for something of value if they determine they’re not picking him up for next season, which I doubt they will.

      • Foghorn Leghorn says:

        Youk doesn’t have a lot of value. The guy has been hurt for most of the last 3 yrs. They have a bunch of high salary a holes that are hard to move.

        • RetroRob says:

          He’ll have to show he’s healthy, but if he does, they’ll be teams that will want him for half a season and $6.5 million. I’d take him on the Yankees, not that that trade will ever happen.

          They’ll never get equal value, but if they decide they’re out of it and he’s not coming back, they might as well play the young kid at third and get some value for Youkilis. In the past, I might have expected them to go for the draft pick, but the rules have changed.

  84. jjyank says:

    Nice, hit and run saved them there.

  85. jjyank says:

    Old man’s still got some wheels!

  86. handtius says:

    hell yeah a-rod..still got it.

  87. flamingo says:

    That was awesome.

  88. handtius says:

    there was this segment on the mlb network about brice harper, saying he’s the only player in 30 plus years to be a true 5 tool player. the mentioned him being fast and having a good arm, comparing him to the mick. the asked if there was any player they could think of like that. how could they not say arod..guy was real fast when he came up and has a bullet arm.

    • Chip says:

      Bonds, Barry

    • jjyank says:

      Yeah, the Harper hype machine is getting crazy. A-Rod, and what about Griffey? Pre-roids Bonds could run too I thought.

    • RetroRob says:


      Josh Hamilton had speed too when he was 19.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Justin Upton? Evan Longoria? Albert Pujols? Curtis Granderson? Grady Sizemore (crappy arm I guess, though), Andrew McCutcheon?

      • jjyank says:

        Good points, though I wouldn’t exactly give Pujols or Longoria the speed tool.

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          Evan had 15 steals one year, Pujols had 16 twice and 14 once.

          • handtius says:

            that’s not 30 steal potential though. a-rod had 46 in 98.

          • jjyank says:

            Once. Twice. That’s not a burner. Pujols has been in the league a long time, getting more than 14 steals twice does not qualify him as having a top speed tool.

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              I thought the tool was baserunning, not speed? There’s more to baserunning than just speed. They’re still great baserunners, legitimately great defenders, and insane hitters. I’d say it’s a tool…I never thought you needed to be Brett Gardner in order to have the baserunning tool.

              • jjyank says:

                If you have 80 speed, you’re season high for stolen bases should be more than 15.

                True 5 tool players are legendary. Those guys are elite, but not quite there in my book.

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  So Harper has 80 speed? An 80 is what’s required for the tool? You realize to be an 80 hitter Harper would have to have a career batting average around .320. Jeter wasn’t even an 80 hitter. 80 power? That’s basically Adam Dunn in the NL, or Prince Fielder now, Stanton too probably has 80 power. An 80 fielder would basically be Franklin Gutierrez in his best year. Gardner isn’t even an 80 fielder. Francouer doesn’t even have an 80 arm.

                  • jjyank says:

                    Sigh. Nobody said that Harper has an 80 anything, we’re talking about the ridiculous statement about the proclamation that he’s the first true 5 tool player since Mantle. You’re getting off track here.

                    • Jimmy McNulty says:

                      The first true five tool player since Mantle? I’ve provided several examples of guys that are five tool players, and if not close too it…you’re the one saying why they don’t count.

                    • jjyank says:

                      We’ve all been providing examples. I threw Kemp and Griffey out there earlier as possibilities. Some of yours are valid too, but some aren’t 5 toolers.

                    • handtius says:

                      seems like he’s not even reading the comments. i’ve said that in multiple comments. a-rod, hamilton and bonds are the only players in recent memory with all 5 tool around an 80. they others are elite, but not a-rod good. bonds good.

                    • jjyank says:

                      Plus…do you read these comments? We’re all in agreement that Harper is not the first 5 tool player since Mantle, why are you acting like I’m arguing in favor of that?

                    • Jimmy McNulty says:

                      You’re the one that said this:

                      If you have 80 speed, you’re season high for stolen bases should be more than 15.

                      Out of nowhere.

                    • jjyank says:

                      I’m losing my faith in your reading comprehension. All that statement was implying is that Pujols doesn’t have the speed portion of the 5 tools. Doesn’t mean I think Harper has it. Doesn’t mean other players do or do not have it. Why is this is so difficult?

                    • Jimmy McNulty says:

                      Well it was a confusing comment, I was saying that Pujols had the baserunning tool…you said that if you had 80 speed you should steal more than 15 a year. I was taking that to mean that you were implying that 80s across the board to be a five tool player, which you weren’t asserting.


                  • handtius says:

                    I know. that’s the point…they’re saying he has all this 9 games into his career. it’s nuts. no one here is saying he is that, but that’s the hype he’s got.

              • handtius says:

                by 5 tool it means you have 80′s across the boards for your tools: average, hitting for power, baserunning skills and speed, throwing ability, and fielding abilities. arod has or had all 5. don’t think any other player, currently playing, can say that. maybe hamilton and kemp. still wouldn’t put them in a-rod category

                • RetroRob says:

                  Is that what they’re saying? When I hear scouts saying a player is “five tool,” I never took it to mean he scores an 80 on all of them. Not sure what player has that, including Harper. He is not 80 on foot speed. I believer Brett Gardner, as example, rates a 70 on speed.

            • RetroRob says:

              Right. When they’re talking about five-tool players it’s having plus tools in all the categories. Pujols and Longoria, even if they manage to steal bases, or rate has decent speed, are not five-tool players.

              A-Rod was certainly a five-tool player.

              Barry Bonds had excellent speed. I don’t know how his arm rated. I’m figuring there was a reason he went off to LF and not CF.

              Hamilton, as noted, was a total five tool player.

              Both Upton brothers scored high on the five tools.

              Maybe what they were saying was Harper is the only prospect in the last 30 years to score a 7 or an 8 in all five tools. Yet as agressive as Harper is when running, I’m not sure I’d score him a 7 or 8 in speed, and he is going to slow down.

              • Jimmy McNulty says:

                What does Harper have that’s an 80 tool?

                • handtius says:

                  dude. we’re not saying he does. the segment was claiming he was. i was calling it ridiculous. read the original comment.

                  • Jimmy McNulty says:

                    I recognize that I’m usually violent, angry, and hostile but I was legitimately asking, and I agree with you.

                    I think Harper’s awesome, but the hype is getting a bit out of hand. Same thing with Strassberg. King Felix was just as good, if not better and while he’s great there’s still guys like Kershaw, Verlander, and members of the old guard like the HNICC, Cliff Lee, and Doc that are right up there with him.

                • RetroRob says:

                  According to Baseball America, Harper’s power rates as a legitimate 80 tool. His arm rates 80. Not sure in all the categories.

                  • Jimmy McNulty says:

                    Perhaps his arm…80 power, that’s like Fielder, Stanton, and Dunn. I’m unsure that Pujols has 80 power. I’ve never seen him take BP or his highlights in the majors, so I guess I can’t really judge either way.

      • handtius says:

        i like all them, but don’t think any of came up with the abilities of arod or harper or bonds. upton to a while to be great. longoria, not really a burner, pujols, not a burner, grandy, doesn’t have the arm, same with sizmore. mcchutcheon, not sure about. does he have the arm?

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          I’m unsure how fast Harper is, I’ve heard 80 speed and I’ve also heard just 20+ steals. Upton took a while to be great? He hit 30 HRs at age 23.

          • handtius says:

            that’s why they’re talking 5 tools. i’m not saying he’s not a great player, but they’re making harper look like a legend. you think upton is in a-rods class?

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              Well probably not, A-Rod’s probably a top 30 player of all time. For Harper to do that it would require him to fulfill his potential and not get hurt. When you have sky high expectations living up to them’s a bitch.

              • handtius says:

                yeah, thats the point. they’re comparing him to mantle, clemente. questioning who else in the game had that potential coming and is a true 5 tool player. for example, arod had one 30+ hr season and 2 40+ hr season by the time he was 23. That’s just fricken nuts.

                • Jimmy McNulty says:

                  Those kinds of expectations are inherently fucking stupid. Yeah the guy’s the fucking man, but lets let him RoY before we get all over his nuts.

    • jjyank says:

      Also Matt Kemp?

    • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

      Carlos Gonzalez?

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Vlad? Gene Stanton? Jose Reyes had power once upon a time, IIRC. Troy Tulowitzki?

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      Joe Morgan too. The Astrodome sapped his power but he had two seasons that were better than anything Willie Mays ever did.

    • RetroRob says:

      This thread scores an 80 on intensity and a 20 on comprehension!

  89. flamingo says:

    Great at bat by Swisher.

  90. Mike Axisa says:

    Big-time at-bat by Swish.

  91. DERP says:

    So Wade for another inning?

  92. Kramerica Industries says:

    Dead offenses tonight in the Bronx.


  93. Clyde Barrow says:

    Well done by Logan and Wade. It’s up to Soriano and Robertson now. You put it in their hands tonight and hope the big man can go the distance tomorrow.

  94. wilk says:

    betances: 8 innings, 2 hits, 2 walks, 1 run (HR), 7 K

  95. OMG! Bagels! says:

    Has anyone ever watched the Jeter outtakes on They’re pretty funny.

  96. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    So is Wade now the new 7th inning guy?

  97. TomH says:

    When I abandoned ship on ESPN, Nomar was giving ARod grief over that steal of 3rd. Said he could have distracted Tex, etc. Wouldn’t drop it.

  98. mike_h says:

    we need more runs…this is bush league

  99. Clyde Barrow says:

    Martin got a hit. Maybe Jete can hit a double to drive him in. Would be nice to have one insurance run after last night’s tightrope.

  100. Kramerica Industries says:

    You know, I would ask “what is wrong with the Phillies?”

    But between being shallow, old, and injured, they just aren’t a particularly good team anymore. Funny to think their weakest team between 2008-2011 was the won that won the World Series, and they did win two NL pennants, so they aren’t a total failure or bust by any means, but they are going to suck for a while to come given how decrepit and old and thin their farm system is.

    Flags fly forever, though, so one might say it was all worth it.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      what is wrong with the Phillies?

      The fact that they’re the Phillies.

    • Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

      Cliff Lee’s comments are oh so sweet now.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Yup but then those dumb comments screwed the Yankees and instead of having the best 1-2 combo in Yankee history we get stuck with an injured Michael Pineda.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I’d say it was worth it. Got to play in two WS and win one. Also gave us enough material to bring out Met fan friends to tears instantly for years to come.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Duh. Flags fly forever, the Burnett deal was terrible and dumb, but they got 27 out of it…I’m sure they’d probably do it again if it means getting 28. Hey the first championship in Philly since….when exactly? Probably worth it for management.

    • Tom says:

      Does anyone know where I can buy one of those hats that go to the side like Rodney’s? Whenever I go to the store I only see the ones with the bills that go straight out.


  101. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Switching back between this and the Heat game.

    The world’s most convoluted 1-0 shutout continues but, if it holds up, I’ll take it.

    Removing Phelps was the right decision, but getting his first MLB W will be nice to see.

  102. Cy Pettitte says:

    Soriano vs. the middle of the Rays line up.

    this should be…interesting.

  103. TomH says:

    If it’s to be Smiling Sori and Houdini again tonight, I hope CC has a complete game in him tomorrow.

  104. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    With the middle of the order up, I’d kinda like to see Robertson here and then Soriano against the bottom of the order in the 9th.

  105. Mike Axisa says:

    This will not end well.

  106. flamingo says:

    Um. Leadoff hit + offline throw.

    I blame Soriano for everything.

  107. handtius says:

    wow. tex…that was amazing.

  108. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    Thank you Tex!

  109. Cy Pettitte says:

    amazing play by Teix.

  110. jjyank says:

    I love having the defensive Tex. Whatever his issues at the plate, he’s damn good on D.

  111. DERP says:

    dagger incoming

  112. Robinson Tilapia says:

    How violently will I virtually choke Soriano if he doesn’t get out of this?

  113. Mike Axisa says:

    That was some play by Tex.

  114. Total Dominication says:

    Aaaand exhale.

  115. Cy Pettitte says:

    I cannot believe he got outta that.

  116. flamingo says:

    Glad we got out of that.

    I really hope D-Rob has a nice clean inning now.

  117. jjyank says:

    Jeez. Glad they got out of it, but I don’t know if my heart can take two houdini acts in back to back innings.

  118. Clyde Barrow says:

    Soriano gets around Cano’s error. These two sure do make it interesting. Hopefully Robertson has a 1-2-3 inning.

  119. Mike Axisa says:

    I guess the Houdini act is an eighth inning requirement.

  120. Chip says:

    Now Soriano and Robertson are just showing off

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Robertson will throw two balls at the same time tonight.

    • jjyank says:

      I bet Robertson does it on purpose.

      He’s on the mound and thinks to himself “Imma let these fools think they have a chance. Let ‘em get the bases loaded, then slam the door and make their fans cry”.

  121. Jared says:

    The Tampa brain trust just ordered a rather smug round of pina coladas.

  122. RetroRob says:

    Okay, if Soriano is going to pitch like he has the last two nights, and D-Rob like last night, I really am going to need that tequilla.

  123. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    Did anyone else think for a moment that they would IBB Grandy?

  124. Chip says:

    Alex: “Don’t shift of me fools!”

  125. handtius says:

    i think cano is really back. seems his contact is much harder.

  126. handtius says:

    i love how kay and leiter are talking about the rodney’s hat.

  127. handtius says:


  128. Havok9120 says:

    Sigh. That was a very nice play.

  129. cjc says:

    booooooooo boooooooooooooooo

  130. Robinson Tilapia says:

    One day, Joe Maddon will have his infielders form a cheerleader pyramid over first base.

  131. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Funny thing is pitchFX had all three pitches to Pena as balls. They barely missed but funny nonetheless.

  132. Robinson Tilapia says:

    …and Enter Strandman.

  133. jjyank says:

    Wasn’t Al Albuquerque the only reliever last year to have a higher k/9 than Robertson? And isn’t Albuquerque on the DL? Maybe he can take the crown in 2012.

  134. Chip says:

    Ugh, these shifts have to be just terrible mentally on hitters like Tex. I mean, he’s smoking balls that are being turned into double plays.

  135. handtius says:

    had to start it the exact same way…ok…get them loaded and strike out the side.

  136. flamingo says:

    D-Rob missed the 1-2-3 memo.


  137. Need Pitching says:

    fucking dumb

  138. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Wow that exact opposite of Greg Golson there.

  139. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Hey Rocky, watch me pull this game out of my hat….

  140. Clyde Barrow says:

    Maybe Soriano should be the closer.

  141. RetroRob says:

    Reaching for the Don Pilar.

  142. cjc says:

    life without Mo

  143. Tom says:

    Swisher can’t airmail that throw like that… he’s got to make it cuttable so the runner can’t just take 2nd.

  144. handtius says:

    jeeze. he really does want the bases loaded.

  145. jjyank says:


  146. RetroRob says:

    Okay, if he gets out of this, he has taken the Houdini act to unseen levels.

  147. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    Time to switch the signs

  148. Reggie C. says:

    bases loaded?? no outs???

    D-Rob has got the Rays right where he wants em …

  149. handtius says:

    he can do it. he. can. do. it.

  150. flamingo says:

    There’s one.

  151. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I’m not laughing too hard….yet.

  152. jjyank says:

    Maybe D-Rob really does do this in purpose.

  153. Mike Axisa says:

    That’s one. You got this, David.

  154. handtius says:

    fuck yeah!!!! 2 more. maybe a broken bat double play?

  155. Widget says:

    Post Mo baseball in 2014 is gonna be damn hard to watch.

  156. Reggie C. says:

    surprised Pena didnt bitch about that pitch placement.

  157. Tony says:

    Robertson’s got this

  158. cjc says:

    knicks suck !
    rangers suck !
    yankees suck?

    this night is too much for me

  159. Jimmy McNulty says:

    He’s due to give up a run…so, so, so due

  160. Reggie C. says:

    nice hack …

    be careful D-Rob.

  161. flamingo says:



  162. David N says:

    Well, he was going to give up a run eventually….

  163. jjyank says:

    Wooow they actually almost got him. Great throw.

  164. handtius says:

    damn…so close! so fucking close! they can still win this.

  165. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    Keep it here

  166. Clyde Barrow says:

    Robertson is clearly out of his league in the closer role. This is twice now he’s loaded the bases in the 9th. Give Soriano the role and take the pressure off Robertson by putting him back in the 8th.

  167. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Argh. Just get out of the inning and win it in the ninth.

    None of this is “life without Mo” crap. We’ve seen Mariano do just this before.

  168. Total Dominication says:

    Holy shit Swish.

  169. Karl Krawfid says:

    Need to start telling D-Rob the bases are loaded when he starts the inning.

  170. Widget says:

    A walk off win is fine with me. It’s not ideal, but I’ll take it.

  171. Tom says:

    Damn…. that 1-1 call for a ball really changed that AB.

    1-2 and he probably can punch out Upton.

  172. Karl Krawfid says:

    Need that complete game shutty from CC tomorrow.

  173. RetroRob says:

    CC better be prepared for nine tomorrow. Soriano and Robertson have thrown a lot of pitches.

  174. flamingo says:

    …This is a bad joke, right?

  175. Cy Pettitte says:


  176. Total Dominication says:


  177. Eirias says:

    Son of a bitch.

  178. handtius says:

    oh dear. did not see that coming.

  179. jjyank says:


  180. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    Matt fucking Joyce? Really

  181. Mike Nitabach says:


  182. RetroRob says:


  183. Bartolo's Colon says:

    drob has a tough job following mo, but he has not looked too good

  184. Clyde Barrow says:

    We just can’t be giving away games like this. He almost did it last night and did it tonight. Give that job to Soriano.

  185. Karl Krawfid says:

    You talk about a heart breaker :(

  186. cjc says:

    new york sports tonight well fuck me

  187. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Oh short porch.

  188. Kramerica Industries says:

    Oh fuck me.

    Fifth fucking time these assholes have done this in 2012, second time to the Yankees.


  189. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Waste of 9 innings.

  190. David N says:

    Oh man….

  191. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    What the actual fuck was that

  192. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Well, at least he got this one out of the way early.

    D-Rob will be fine. These are some damn tough shoes to fill. He will fight another day.

    • jjyank says:

      Right. He hadn’t given up a run since September 1, 2011. Had to end at some point, he wasn’t doing that forever. Just be glad it’s May.

    • David N says:

      If he does this a few more times this year, I’ll still be okay with it. Even Mariano generally blows four or five saves a year.

      It’s one game. Yes it’s a division game, but it’s still one game. Can’t lose too much sleep over this one.

  193. Jimmy McNulty says:

    Well, that sucked. Fuck it, I’m going to Hooters.

  194. The Fallen Phoenix says:

    Regression’s a bitch.

  195. Athenian says:

    That blows. The game that got away. Got to get the one tomorrow to salvage the series.

  196. Chip says:

    Ugh, this was set up to be such a nice win too

  197. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    and closers are so overrated…phhhhhttt!

    Joe G…make Soriano the closer and keep Drob as the 8th. at least Soriano has been there before.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Now that Mike Gonzalez has actually signed with a team, we can trade D-Rob for him.

    • MB says:

      You think Soriano “struggling” has to do with not pitching in a closers role (which he originally said) or is it just pitching in NY?

      • Foghorn Leghorn says:

        since mo got hurt I thought it would be wise to leave Drob where he is and let soriano close. i do think there is a huge difference between being a 7th inning guy and 8th inning guy and a closer. soriano has closed before…leave Drob alone and just move soriano. try that…if it doesn’t work then move drob to the closer role.

  198. Cuso says:

    I blame the anemic offense

  199. Karl Krawfid says:

    Remember when Mo got the job, it didn’t start out so smooth.

  200. Athenian says:

    Yanks are afraid to get to far above .500, I guess

  201. Don'tcha Know? says:

    Flood gates: Open.

  202. DERP says:

    Fuck you Robertson. Sack up.

  203. Clyde Barrow says:

    Tomorrow we have to hope the big man goes the distance. Soriano and Robertson might not be available and I’m not sure we even want Robertson to be available. This was a great opportunity to sweep these guys at home minus their best player. Now we might even lose the series to this weak lineup.

  204. Kramerica Industries says:

    They did it opening day (6-5 deficit entering 9th, 7-6 win), they did it in Detroit (2-0 deficit, 4-2 win), they did it against Anaheim and Seattle on the same homestand (3-2 and 2-1 deficits, 4-3 and 3-2 wins), and they did it again tonight.

    I hate these motherfuckers with a burning passion. In part because I’m stuck living in this hellhole of a market, and in part because this shit isn’t going to last all season. But while it is, it’s going to piss me off to no end.

    Baseball is a respite from my daily mental failings. And this shit only makes even that unbearable.

    • JohnnyC says:

      Wonder what percentage of the $200 million+ in revenue sharing the Rays have received in its short history was contributed by the Yankees? A whole lot probably. Good to see it’s finally delivering some returns. How ironic. I love socialism among the 1%. Now that’s compassionate conservatism at its best.

  205. 718 says:

    Well Robertson is done closing! Soriano time!

  206. Widget says:

    You can’t score just 1 run and expect to win the ballgame. Every time it looks like this team is gonna go on a roll they lose. Very frustrating early season.

  207. RBC says:

    I love how you guys are already giving up on D-Rob. As if Mariano NEVER blew a save.

  208. Chip says:

    Well Robertson was going to give up a run eventually, it’s not like it was a huge blast either

  209. Karl Krawfid says:

    Yankees offense better show some damn heart!

  210. Pat D says:

    Huh. The things that happen when you’re taking a phone call at work.

  211. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Mariano Rivera never, ever, had a completely gross ninth inning. Ever. Except when he did.

  212. Get Phelps Up (formerly Freddy Garcia's 86 mph Heat) says:

    At least it happened now rather than in September.

  213. The Dude says:

    Wow. Why can’t this team click on all cylinders? We either have days like today where we can only score one run but we pitch well and not scoring more comes back to bite us or we have games like in Boston where our offense saves our horrible pitching. We have to win against teams in our division if we hope to win the ALE title. This season indeed has been frustrating early on. We can’t play consistently well.

  214. So I’ve determined that Robertson doesn’t have the ability to close, and not only that, he should never be allowed to pitch again.


  215. What in the hell was Ibanez doing that far off the bag?

  216. JobaWockeeZ says:

    2 days and the smear campaign begins. No one is safe.

  217. handtius says:

    this was such a great comment section tonight, then all these annoyances come out of the woodworks when they’re loosing. go back into your caves.

    • Havok9120 says:

      These people that we only see when we lose are actually starting to annoy me. And I’m really not easily annoyed. Do they only log on to comment after we start losing?

      Sigh. Oh well. Its just the internet.

  218. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Have the Yankees ever won on lawn gnome giveaway night? UGH I swear this shit happens every time.

  219. CP says:

    You can’t swat the glove of someone trying to catch the ball. Unless of course that person happens to be a catcher. And instead of swatting the glove you completely run him over.

  220. V says:

    Fuck the Rays and fuck their shifts.

  221. flamingo says:

    Tonight completely sucked for NY sports teams.

  222. cjc says:

    here’s another guy career on the down swing Rodney goes to tampa and gets fucked by the miracle stick what the hell

  223. Athenian says:

    This is going to send the team into a downward spiral. They lack resiliency they had in the past.

  224. jayd808 says:

    If this means he can’t follow up on a 25 pitch save and be there the next night, then this bullpen is going to get A LOT MORE WORK. Now I know how Sawks fans feel when Matt Albers is coming out of the pen. Damn make this stop right now. I feel like an idiot watching this game for nine innings. They’re wasting my life now.

  225. Thank god I’m not a Rangers fan, otherwise tonight would have sucked that much more…oh well it’s a long season, this will be forgotten within a week.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      I’m not even feeling the Rangers too much in Game 7. Washington’s defensive systems have absolutely put NY on lockdown in this series – 13 goals in 18 periods of play + 2:00 of OT.

      Love King Hank. Love Brad Richards. And MSG is an unreal home ice advantage. But just as NY won Game 7 at home vs. Ottawa, Washington won Game 7 at Boston, against the defending champs. I fear for the Rangers, and hope Hank and Richards put the team on their back and send them to the Conference Final for a 1994 rematch for Hudson supremacy and a trip to the Cup Final.

      Go Rangers.

  226. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Losing one of the greatest players of all time for the season is going to hurt. The team is three games into this process of figuring out, yes, “Life Without Mo.” It’s just not as simple as “everyone moves up one,” and everything will not be perfect after three games.

    If you can’t handle this sort of adversity, crocheting, for example, is a hobby which tends to offer less ups and downs.

    The big man will get us two of three tomorrow.

    • Havok9120 says:

      But “he hasn’t been the same since last summer!!”

      • jjyank says:

        Heh yeah I loved those comments in the game thread for CC’s last start that were all like “why hasn’t CC been good since the rain delay last July??!!onez?”

  227. Midland TX says:

    I just hope KC does us the courtesy of wiping their ass with the Rays when it’s their turn through Kaufmann Stadium.

  228. Cesar "Stairs" Cabral says:

    *walks away*

  229. Jesus, reading through the last inning’s worth of this thread you’d think that Robertson is the worst pitcher to ever pick up a baseball, and that Mariano Rivera has never blown a save..does nobody remember WWWMW earlier this season? Or now that he’s hurt none of his struggles never happened ever, and Robertson has to be perfect always?

  230. Foghorn Leghorn says:

    Broxton is doing his best “D Rob” impression…

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Would only be fitting for Boston to do it as well tonight.

      The perfect trifecta of total shit, encapsulated in one night.

  231. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I hope the Yanks go 6-0 while I’m on vacation and that the only games Robertson doesn’t save are complete game victories. Keep the comment section nice and feisty while I’m gone.

  232. adjusts batting gloves says:

    I’d like to see Mike or one of the wonderful statheads here at RAB do a post on whether blown saves are more common when closers work consecutive nights,in general, and consecutive nights having thrown 20plus pitches the first night. My hunch is that indeed closers working 2 nights in a row are more likely to blow the save.

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