Williams and Sanchez return in Charleston loss

Mother's Day Open Thread
Bats lifeless against Millwood in Pettitte's return

With Eduardo Nunez back in Triple-A, Yadil Mujica was sent back to Trenton. Graham Stoneburner (groin) has been placed on the DL as well. Also make sure you check out this Ken Rosenthal piece on Mike Trout, who the Yankees were going to draft in 2009 before the Angels scoped him up.

Triple-A Empire State (3-1 loss to Durham) they faced RHP Chris Archer, the primary piece the Rays received in the Matt Garza trade
2B Kevin Russo & C Gus Molina: both 0-3 — Russo walked and whiffed … Molina struck out twice
CF Colin Curtis, 3B Brandon Laird & RF Cole Garner: all 0-4, 2 K
1B Steve Pearce: 1-3, 1 R, 1 2B, 1 BB, 1 K
DH Jack Cust: 1-3, 1 BB, 2 K — seven walks in his last four games
LF Ronnie Mustelier: 1-4, 1 SB, 1 E (fielding)
SS Ramiro Pena: 0-2, 1 BB, 1 K – I guess he’s off the DL
LHP Manny Banuelos: 6 IP, 5 H, 1 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K, 5/3 GB/FB — 61 of 89 pitches were strikes (68.5%) … 15/0 K/BB in 14.2 IP since coming off the DL … healthy Manny is good Manny
RHP Chase Whitley: 1 IP, 1 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 2/0 GB/FB — ten of 17 pitches were strikes
RHP Adam Miller: 2 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1 WP, 3/0 GB/FB — 26 of 42 pitches were strikes (61.9%)

Double-A Trenton (7-4 win over Portland)
RF Abe Almonte: 3-4, 2 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K, 2 SB — 11 for his last 27 (.407)
2B Corban Joseph: 1-3, 1 R, 2 BB
DH David Adams: 2-4, 1 BB — hey look who’s back
LF Cody Johnson: 2-4, 1 R, 1 HR, 2 RBI, 1 K — Shane Brown pinch-hit late and struck out
CF Melky Mesa: 3-4, 1 R, 1 RBI, 1 BB, 1 K, 2 SB — 12 for his 39 (.308)
1B Luke Murton & 3B Kevin Mahoney: both 1-4 — Murton got hit by a pitch and struck out twice … Mahoney hit a two-run homer, walked, and struck out
C Jeff Farnham: 0-3, 2 BB, 1 K
SS Addison Maruszak: 0-3, 1 R, 1 BB
RHP Craig Heyer: 3 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1/6 GB/FB — 30 of 52 pitches were strikes (57.7%), plus he picked a runner off first … he left the game with arm stiffness and will see a doctor tomorrow, which sucks
LHP Francisco Rondon: 2 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 0 BB, 0 K, 2/2 GB/FB — 15 of 20 pitches were strikes
RHP Ryan Flannery: 1.1 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 0 ER, 1 BB, 0 K, 1 HB, 1/1 GB/FB – 24 of 39 pitches were strikes (61.5%)
RHP Ryan Pope: 1 IP, 3 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 1 BB, 1 K, 1/0 GB/FB — nine of 14 pitches were strikes
LHP Lee Hyde: 0.2 IP, zeroes, 1 K, 1/0 GB/FB – seven pitches, six strikes
RHP Preston Claiborne: 1 IP, 2 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 1/1 GB/FB — 10 of 14 pitches were strikes

Low-A Charleston (3-1 loss to West Virginia)
CF Mason Williams, SS Cito Culver & 3B Dante Bichette Jr.: all 0-4 — Williams got caught stealing … Culver struck out once, DBJ twice
RF Tyler Austin, 2B Angelo Gumbs & 1B Rey Nunez: all 0-3 — Austin got hit by a pitch, stole a base, and struck out … Gumbs struck out and Nunez committed a fielding error
DH Gary Sanchez: 1-3, 1 R, 1 K, 1 SB — good to see him and Mason back
LF Kelvin DeLeon: 1-3
C Nick McCoy: 0-2, 1 BB
RHP Scottie Allen: 6 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 0 BB, 2 K, 1 WP, 10-4 GB/FB — he’s pitched pretty well of late, maybe he’s still salvageable
RHP Wilton Rodriguez: 2 IP, 4 H, 2 R, 2 ER, 0 BB, 1 K, 4/0 GB/FB

High-A Tampa had a scheduled day off. Seems kinda odd they didn’t have a game but Sunday, but whatever.

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Mother's Day Open Thread
Bats lifeless against Millwood in Pettitte's return
  • Total Dominication

    Manny!

    • Larch

      I pray they keep him in AAA all season, except maybe a spot start for a double header.

      • dixie_flyer

        if he keeps pitching like this methinks he’ll get called up at some point

        • Bo Knows

          Maybe a September callup, he needs innings if he is going to be a factor in the rotation next year (without any stupid limits)he needs to be in AAA all year. He threw 130 innings last year so he should be at 160 this year and will be ready for a 190 inning season next year

        • Jesse

          I’d think a September call-up is possible.

  • Will

    Love the no walks since coming back. Did anyone ask him how long the back was bothering him? Could explain his problems last year.

  • Tim

    Would rather see Manny in the rotation starting for the Yanks than Pettitte to be honest.

    • jjyank

      Manny is not ready for the majors. In fact, a guy like Pettitte is the perfect stop gap.

      • Ted Nelson

        Definitely possible that he’s ready for the majors. I prefer playing it safe, but it’s possible that he’d do fine in MLB

        • Bo Knows

          doesn’t have the innings….or would you prefer a joba/hughes situation? lol

          • Ted Nelson

            There’s no magic number of innings an MLB SP has to pitch in a season. Missing the better part of a month with the back injury saved him some innings as well. Joba and Hughes are two guys. There are thousands of examples in the full sample.

            Being a successful MLB P has less to do with your innings limit and more to do with whether you can get MLB hitters out consistently.

            • Manny’s BanWagon

              Hughes and Joba were rushed. They need to take a page out of the Rays book and leave Manny in AAA the entire season.

              • Ted Nelson

                A lot of successful P were rushed too, including the Rays’ David Price.

              • Voice of Reason

                If Banuelos pitches well enough that he seems to be one of the Yankees’ 5 best options, then he should probably be called up. Saying he needs to accumulate some number of AAA innings first because that’s what the Rays staff did is ridiculous. There’s a lot to be said for this, but if the Rays do that, it’s because they don’t want to burn service time on a pitcher who’ll need to but shut down, not because monitoring the workload of a pitcher is somehow horribly deleterious because it’s happening in MLB rather than AAA.

                But then if you’re concerned with reality at all, the Rays have definitely had innings limits on their starters, and David Price and James Shields barely pitched at all in AAA and got called up in the early-middle of a season just like Banuelos theoretically could (but almost certainly will not), and Banuelos has already logged more AAA innings than Matt Moore has. Hellickson and Niemann are the only Rays starters who came remotely close to a full season in AAA.

                • Ted Nelson

                  But… but… but… the Rays leave their P in the minors forever narrative…

                • Bo Knows

                  No its not, this is just as much about Banuelos’ future as it is about the yankees, if his body isn’t ready and it starts breaking down halfway through the season and he starts struggling through fatigue who does that help? Not a damn person, the Rays are so good because they’re guys are ready to go 200 right out the gate, that’s why they have one of the healthiest rotations, and one of the most durable.

                  The innings preparation is also why no one has to worry about Nova, or would have to worry about Phelps if he was in the rotation.

                  • Voice of Reason

                    “the Rays are so good because they’re guys are ready to go 200 right out the gate”

                    If you’d care to look it up you’d see that this is not actually true.

                    And again, why would Banuelos break down and become ineffective halfway through the season? I’m guessing it’s because he’s a Yankee and at least two former Yankee prospects have had relatively disappointing careers. You’re just reducing all factors that affect success to the fact of being stretched out in the minor leagues rather than the majors, and it makes no sense.

                    • Bo Knows

                      Who then wasn’t? Price is the exception only because he pitched a ton of innings in college, his body was ready and even then the Rays had him pitch a combined 164 innings between AAA and the MLB

                      Shields was conditioned pitching his innings limits were raised gradually over several years.

                      Hellickson, and Moore were and are fully capable of throwing 200 innings whether they do is a different matter altogether, they were conditioned

                      see a pattern? all of these guys had pitched a large number the year prior to being called up, Banuelos hasn’t

                    • Voice of Reason

                      Price, Shields and Hellickson all had limited innings, and even if they didn’t on what basis can you possibly claim that they’re good BECAUSE of that? There are innumerable examples of pitchers who were “rushed” or skipped levels and have had productive healthy careers. You’re claiming this is a rule because it’s true of the Rays (unless it isn’t, in which case that doesn’t count) and two Yankee prospects have been injury prone or not that good. That’s absurd. If the Rays’ pitchers avoid injury, it’s because they have good mechanics, good genes, and good conditioning or whatnot, not because of the venue where they built up their innings.

                      What is it about being stretched out in the majors rather than the minors that makes a pitcher drastically more prone to injury and ineffectiveness, and what is your basis for that belief?

            • Bo Knows

              There is a number, and its the number that will allow him to go through a full season safely without having to deal with the same shit that screwed with Hughes and Joba.

              If Banuelos can’t make it through the full MLB season without having to be monitored he shouldn’t be here yet. We’ve already seen that it’s almost impossible to monitor a young pitcher in the Majors with regards to his future success and health if your always trying to win a championship.

              For me, if Banuelos hasn’t been gradually built up to throw a 32 starts (i’ll give the number 190 innings) safely (as safe as possible)he shouldn’t be in the MLB yet.

              Like any physical act, in order to handle a large workload (be it running, climbing, swimming, weight-lifting, etc) you have to gradually condition your body to handle the act. You can’t just one day say your going to run 10 miles, when you haven’t run 5 yet or else your going to get hurt.

              • Ted Nelson

                We have not seen that it’s almost impossible. We saw too good P prospects struggle to find MLB success early in their careers for varying reasons. That’s all. You’re taking a microscopic sample and making it something it’s not. Other successful P have been rushed. Other successful SP have been used out of the pen early in their careers. Young P get hurt all the time regardless of their development path.

                • Bo Knows

                  Of course SP get hurt, the issue is to make sure that the risk is minimized. And the best way to minimize that risk is to make sure these guys bodies can handle the workload.

                  Teams with homegrown rotations build their starters stamina so their bodies can handle the load before they even have their debut.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    Why is injury a bigger risk throwing the same pitches in MLB than AAA?

                    What teams?

                    • Bo Knows

                      The point of the minors is to learn and grow, the point of the majors is to win.

                      If Banuelos comes up tomorrow and plays well (top 3 in the rotation well); which he is fully capable of doing; its going to be get harder and harder to justify limiting his starts or skipping him, when the Post-season comes would Manny go to the pen if he’s one of your 3 best players? If your goal is to win, you go with the best men you got.

                      Also keep in mind Banuelos has only thrown a max of 130 innings, is it smart to throw him out there expecting him to handle a 50, 60, 70 inning increase.

                      Limits don’t matter if your trying to win, and they shouldn’t; but that is exactly why Banuelos needs to stay in the minors this year so he can be monitored.

  • Mr. Pink

    Speaking of Trout. Completely hypothetical but you guys think the Angels would do a Granderson + prospects for Trout trade. They need a power lefty bat and relievers badly and the Yankees need cost controlled position players. Maybe Granderson and Betances for Trout?

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike E

      Angels have no reason to trade Trout. They need hitting, and they have the second best position prospect in baseball who is major league ready rookie. I think the Nationals might be more likely to trade Bryce Harper, and even then the chances go from nil to next to nil.

      • Tyrone Sharpton

        why would the Yankees trade Granderson+ for an unproven young player. if trout turns out to be granderson, he’d have a pretty good career.

    • Brian S.

      I hate Mark Teixeira even more knowing that he cost us Trout. I can’t remember disliking someone on the Yankees more than I do Teixiera. He has only had one elite season, has never hit in the playoffs, is signed for four more years after this one for over 23 million dollars, and cost us the best prospect in the game.

      • Brian S.

        Not sure why this is a reply.

        • Mr. Pink

          It’s okay. The Tex hate is always welcome. My family of diehard Yankee fans and I can’t believe how terrible he’s become. It’s always either a pop-up to the infield or a strikeout at a breaking pitch in the dirt. I’d rather have any other first baseman to be honest. Hell I’d even take Carlos Pena or Ryan Howard. At least they run into one more often then Tex does and can draw walks.

          • Preston

            Since 2009 Tex has the 3rd most home runs by a 1b behind only Pujols and Fielder, so the idea that at least Ryan Howard and Carlos Pena run into one more often is baseless. Not to mention Teixeira is a better defender. If you want to be upset that we didn’t get a .300/.400/.550 player like we thought, that’s fine, but that doesn’t mean he’s terrible, or that other first basemen are better.

          • jjyank

            “It’s always either a pop-up to the infield or a strikeout at a breaking pitch in the dirt.”

            Or, ya know, a home run. Which, even in a down year, he hit 39 of last year. Come on, if you wanna hate on Tex for not hitting .300, then fine, but stop pretending that he’s a waste of a roster spot. You’d rather have Pena or Howard? That just tells me that you don’t watch either of those two players at all.

      • Steve (different one)

        Did you read the article? In no way did Teixeira “cost” the Yankees Trout. The Angels were taking him no matter what. If they didn’t have the Yankees’ pick at 25, they would have taken him at 24. Or maybe even earlier depending upon who signed Teixiera.

        Even if Boston signed Teixeira, the Angels STILL would have picked twice before the yanks.

        Hate Teixeira all you want for sucking donkey balls, but the Yanks weren’t getting Trout.

        • Ted Nelson

          Who needs reason and logic?

      • jjyank

        Also, he’s had only one elite season? Damn dude, can I have some of the weed you’re smoking? From 2004 through 2009, Tex had an OPS drop below .900 only once (in 2006), and never had less than 30 home runs, while playing stellar defense. You’re nuts if you think that player only had “one elite season”.

        • Brian S.

          One elite season with the Yankees. Who gives a shit what he did for other teams?

      • Bryan__fromNZ

        This Angels blog believes that since the Angels held #24 and 25, they would’ve taken Trout at 24 if they didn’t have 25.

        http://angels.ocregister.com/tag/mark-teixeira/

      • Truth Meter

        Sounds like Brian S. hasn’t watched much baseball.

        • Brian S.

          Sounds like Truth Meter doesn’t follow statistics.

      • Tyrone Sharpton

        are you kidding me? teixera’s still a damn good hitter. who cares if trout is a top prospect? we know tex is the real deal at least

    • Jesse

      I’d kill for that trade to happen, but there’s no way that happens in reality.

      • Mr. Pink

        Stranger things have happened. Yanks can’t afford Grandy, Cano, Swish and Martin. I’d rather they trade Grandy, Swish, or Martin and get fair value for one of them now so they can lock up Cano and sign Hamels if he reaches FA.

    • Truth Meter

      So you want the Angels to trade a player regarded as the best prospect in the game along with Harper (and really better than Harper right now based on development), who is all of 20 and making 500K and who they have under team control for years to come, for a 31-year-old who is owed $15 million next year before he becomes a free agent? It might be difficult for some Yankee fans to believe, but right now, today, Mike Trout will deliver more value moving forward than will Curtis Granderson, and Curtis Granderson is a damn good player. Throwing Betances in, who will probably never be a MLB starter, is not going to alter the equation in any form.

      I mean, I would love for the Angels to blow a gasket and make that trade, but they won’t, especially with DiPoto the GM.

      • V

        How often do “the best prospects in the game” turn into good, but not great, Major Leaguers? Delmon Young, anyone?

        I agree that Trout has more value than Granderson -in the long run-, but Granderson DEFINITELY has more value during 2012 and 2013. That said, I don’t see why the Yankees would deal Granderson for a prospect when the Yankees are all-in on a World Series every year.

        • Ted Nelson

          Trout could be better than Granderson in 2013, and he can definitely be a much better value given the difference in salary. I’d say Angels hang up first. Contending every year is exactly why you want Trout… To contend the next 10 years and to meet the 2014 budget with the most possible talent.

      • A.D.

        I assume people are hoping for the same Angels team that traded for Vernon Wells & 80M of his salary and gave up Napoli and Juan Rivera.

        Which when you think about it Granderson + Prospects for Trout makes a ton more sense (sadly the Angles have changed GMs since then)

  • Coolerking101

    Last two ManBan starts plus the last start from Dealin’ Betances:

    19IP 11H 3ER 2BB 17K

    Nothing but good news for a change.

  • CP

    One question on Trout. The Angels said they had him second on their board after Strasburg. If hat was the case, then why did they pick someone else with their first pick? I know it doesn’t matter (with back to back picks they’re getting both players), but I’m just curious why they wouldn’t pick the higher rated player first.

    • Steve (different one)

      Maybe to create a sliver of leverage when negotiating? Don’t really see what it could do for them, but it was completely irrelevant anyway like you said. Maybe they flipped a coin? Maybe just to f with Opp?

    • CC

      Might have thought whoever they picked before Trout was more likely to get taken than Trout so they hoped they could wait and take both, but I obviously don’t know for sure.

      • radnom

        They had two picks in a row.

    • Gonzo

      I wonder if Rosenthal asked.

  • Phil

    Good start by Manny, but we need to start letting him throw more. Only threw 89 pitches. Quit babying him and let’s see what he can do.

    • jjyank

      I mean he did just recently come off the DL. Relax with the babying narrative. I have no problem with the team being careful with the top prospect that only recently came off the DL for back problems. I’m no pitcher, but I have back problems of my own, and that’s not something you screw around with in the name of “not babying yourself”.

      • Ted Nelson

        If the Yankees had forced Hughes and Joba to throw 200 IP right away and they hadn’t panned out, everyone would be worried about P prospects throwing too many innings. It’s such a joke.

  • Manny’s BanWagon

    It’s hard to believe Adams is only going to be 25 this month. He’s been around so long I would have guessed he’d be around 40.

    • ROBTEN

      Fun Fact: Born on February 29, 1916, David Adams is legally 25, but physically he’s almost 100.

      • Gonzo

        Fun Fact: he almost got the part that ultimately went to Samuel L. Jackson in unbreakable.

  • Robert

    If Manny is lucky he will be the next pitcher called up to start when the inevitable injury to Petitte or Hughs occurs. One more good long term relief effort by Phelps will seal his spot and make Freddie Garcia expendable. With Manny Phelps Dj and hopefully Betances the Yanks will have 4 new candidates for the starting 5 next spring…. Lets grow our own

    • bobtaco

      Pineda

      • Rob NY

        Who’s this “Pineda” guy?

    • Bo Knows

      If Manny is lucky he’ll be in AAA all this season

      • Ted Nelson

        An innings limit will be an innings limit whether he’s in MLB or AAA.

        • Bo Knows

          Do you think NYY are going to shut Banuelos down when he reaches 160 innings if he’s one of the best starters?

  • Rainbow connection

    Please Hammer don’t hurt ‘em!’!
    Lol! Lol!

  • Bill T

    Where is Eduardo Nunez? I thought he was sent down to AAA to learn how to play SS!

  • Kosmo

    Yanks were unable to draft Trout so they ended up with Heathcott who has essentially done nothing. Yanks had a chance at drafting the likes of:
    Brett Jackson
    James Paxton
    Tyler Skaggs
    Tanner Scheppers
    all are on the verge of being ML ready.
    I guess the draft is an imperfect science.

    • pat

      Stupid Yankeez shud haf nown Slade wud git hert.

    • All Praise Be To Mo

      You can do with this every team for every pick in every draft ever held.

  • Aaron

    I was at the AAA game yesterday. Manny looked to be working very quickly. Much quicker than I previously saw him during spring training. Fastball sat in the low 90’s and I don’t think they squared him up at all. They had a couple of singles and the lone run scored on a misplay in the outfield. Manny was dealing.

    • Bo Knows

      I was curious about his velocity, do you remember his max?