Yankees can’t muster any offense again, lose to Blue Jays again


Can I just take the easy way out and re-publish Wednesday night’s recap? I mean, there’s not much different between the two games. The Yankees lost (again) because they gave up booming homers to Jose Bautista and J.P. Arencibia (again), and also because they did absolutely nothing on offense (again). The 4-1 loss dropped New York to 20-18 with a measly +7 run differential on the season.

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Here’s a fun fact: the Yankees have now been held to one run or less nine times this season. That’s the same number of times as both the Mariners and Twins. All I know is that if you’re tied with those two teams in any offensive category, it’s bad. Real bad. The Yankees scored no more than two runs for the third straight game and ninth time in their last 17 games. They don’t make starting pitching good enough to overcome that kind of ineptitude.

The Yankees plated their only run of Thursday’s game in the very first inning, when Robinson Cano doubled home Curtis Granderson following his one-out walk. They left men on first and second in the third, a man on third in the fourth, men on first and second in the fifth, and a man on second in the sixth. The final ten men they sent to the plate made outs. The Yankees went a flawful (yes, flawful) 0-for-8 with runners in scoring position, including a big fat 0-for-3 by still hitting in the middle of the order Mark Teixeira. It’s just horrible, the offense has been borderline noncompetitive in recent weeks.

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St. Philbert of Hughes

It wasn’t the greatest performance in the history of pitching, but Phil Hughes certainly gave his team a chance to win and then some. He showed some fight by striking out both Bautista and Edwin Encarnacion to escape the first inning after the first two hitters reached base, and overall he struck out five in 5.1 IP. Ten of his eleven non-strikeout outs were fly balls, as expected.

Phil’s only mistake was hanging cutter to Bautista, who clobbered it for a two-run homer in the third. It was just an awful pitch, but I can’t give the guy grief for allowing a dinger to the best homerun hitter in baseball. Hughes did have some pitch efficiency issues — 107 pitches for 16 outs — but his defense made an error behind him that extended an inning. I gave up on Hughes as a starter following his disaster start in Texas and I’m glad he’s making me look like an idiot.

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Cory Wade‘s ridiculously effective season hit a speed bump when he allowed a two-run homer to Arencibia that all but put the game away. He gets a pass because like I said, he’s been ridiculously effective. Freddy Garcia needed just eight pitches to retire all three batters he faced, continued his nice little run of solid pitching out of the bullpen. Joe Girardi said before the game that if Ivan Nova is unable to make Saturday’s start for whatever reason, Garcia would get the ball. I think that means David Phelps is going to take on a more important relief role in the absence of David Robertson and Mariano Rivera.

The Yankees only had five hits but three of them were doubles by Cano, Granderson, and Eric Chavez. Granderson and Derek Jeter chipped in singles while Granderson, Cano, Raul Ibanez, and Nick Swisher drew walks. They tallied eight hits in 18 offensive innings during this two-game series. Gross.

Just a quick side note: Hughes has allowed at least one homer in each of his eight starts this season, the longest such streak to start a season in Yankees history. So, uh, welcome to the record books.

The loss dropped the Yankees into fourth place in the AL East, so they’re lucky it’s only May 17th. There’s a lot to fix at the moment. I don’t think there’s anything more you can say after another loss like this.

Box Score, WPA Graph & Standings has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs some additional stats, and ESPN the updated standings.

Source: FanGraphs

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  1. Rich in NJ says:

    Yay, another person in Phil’s corner. Nice post.

    • batman says:

      I may be biased because of my love for prospects (even though he’s way past that now) but I hope they give Phil some more time to figure it out. He was an all-star his only full year starting and went from 105 innings to 176, all in the majors. Thats roughly a 60% increase which, I like to tell myself, contributed to his “dead arm” last year. Well that and his gut.

      He’s in shape now and has no excuses, We have stuck with him this long and I really still believe he has the ability to become a solid mid-front to mid rotation guy (I hate putting numbers on starters, un needed pressure). Our other option is Garcia who has absolutely no upside

      And most importantly, I think I’d off myself if i saw phil winning 20 games for the D Backs in 2 years.

    • Brian in NH says:

      When I tuned in for some of Phil’s pitching on MLB network he looked pretty good, but maybe overthrowing a litter. The curve ball to strike out Bautista for the second time in the fifth though was absolutely nasty, and that was on a full count. It was good to see him have some confidence throw strikes with off speed pitches, as his second strikeout that inning was also on a full count.

      MAYBE…he’s getting better. maybe…

      • jsbrendog says:

        that curve was dirty to joey bats and for three reasons (2 of which you named.) reason one is, well, my god, did you see him drop the hammer on him? 2 is the full count. the third is that it was the same pitch that didn’t break and bautista CRUSHED for his hr. It is a great sign to see hughes go, yeah, hr last time, this time it’ll break and you can’t hit it. watch. great sign. now just throw less than 100 pitches in 5 innings please.

        • forensic says:

          the third is that it was the same pitch that didn’t break and bautista CRUSHED for his hr

          Bautista crushed a cutter for his homer, not a curve.

  2. yankees=warriors says:

    Anything that gets Phil going is fine!
    Hopefully the offense improves soon. These past few games have been suffocating to watch.

  3. Craig says:

    As a person whos had their fair share of breathing problems, Tex should just swallow his pride and take a few days off. That’s really all you can do with what he has. Or, drop him to 7th. I’d be cool with that. Swisher 2, Granderson 3, Ibanez 6.

    • Mainer says:

      Yet our skipper thought it would be fun to put him in the clean-up this evening. OH BTW 0-4 with 5 LOB

      • forensic says:

        But he said he can’t drop him in the order because he’s fourth on the team in RBI’s. You mean that’s not true???

        • Mr. Sparkle says:

          Don’t forget…he had that 2-HR, 6 RBI game in Fenway, which basically seems to have earned him a free pass for a month. Forget about the 2 HR, 9 RBI, .195 in the 22 games since (not counting tonight.)

          • forensic says:

            Oh, trust me, I know. A few days ago in one of the threads I laid out his numbers without that game and without each of the other couple games before it as that is the only time he’s been productive all season. They were some sad numbers.

        • batman says:

          @Forensic, I agree his RBI argument is absolutely stupid. If Frankie Cervelli was batting 5th all season he’d be in the top 5 in rbi’s also. Its time for Girardi to grow some ball’s and manage outside of the box.

    • Brian S. says:

      I like how this is the excuse the organization is trotting out. Mark Teixeira is a terrible hitter at this point in his career. Period.

    • Karl Krawfid says:

      Had this same problem last year. Every time I would talk or laugh I would cough. So annoying. Sometimes I would cough so much it would make me feel like I was going to throw up.

    • batman says:

      I understand Girardi’s argument that you have to trust the back of the baseball card but this is now Tex’s third down year in a row. I think it may be time to accept him as a .240 hitter (avg has gone from .308 in 2008 to .296, .256, .248 w/ a declining ops each year) with above average power and fielding. I wish I had a suggestion for an in house replacement but we’re locked in to so many absurd contracts and our “pitching depth” has been shtting the bed (betances).

      Mike, are there any potential trades you can think of that will help our 4-5-or 6 spot in the lineup? id love a guy like martin prado to hit second so we can drop swish down to 5. no knock on swish I just think with his power and switch hitting he should be in a position with men on base.

      How about a Nunez, Betances, and JR Murphy package for Prado? I doubt Atlanta will get rid of him but if you were Cashman would you pull the trigger?

    • Tomm says:

      Bench him against righties. Put Chavez in there. No question a better hitter against righties. He can probably do the fielding, too. Of course, Chavez will get injured when the first mosquito bites him.

  4. forensic says:

    Some fun numbers for those of you who didn’t bother to hang around for the whole post game show:

    0-9 in games without a homer – only team in baseball winless
    1 run or less 9 times – most through 38 games since 1984
    .234 avg with risp – 11th in the league (if not lower by now)
    52 RBI from 3-4-5 hitters – 29th in the majors
    1-14 when scoring 3 runs or less

    There’s nothing else you can say right now. They’re just a bad team currently. That stuff around them still being in the playoffs if the season ended today, not valid anymore. They’re tied for 3rd in the league in runs, but are closer to 8th than 2nd. They lead the majors in gidp with risp.

    I know A-Rod sat, but they finished tonights game with just 3 guys in the lineup with an OBP above .330. Only 3 guys with a BA above .260.

    It’s actually hard to watch their games now, at least live it is.

  5. Mainer says:

    I don’t even know what to say. Like Mike, i feel as if I should just copy and paste my posts from last night. During this most recent funk I have been doing things to try to change the outcomes of “rally” innings. I would do things like walk away, change the channel or some other arbitrary thing to avert my eyes. But now, it’s a like train wreck or a really bad car crash; I have to watch. I have to see how they are going to screw up potential scoring innings. Like the Chavez DP-Jones whiff debacle.

    Phil Hughes pitched OK, but I noticed a few ticks off his fastball in the 4th/5th. Early he was hitting 95, in the aforementioned innings didn’t see much over 92. Maybe that is why he was so effective in 09 and 11 postseason in the BP. he can just let it fly

  6. forensic says:

    It’s not even worth arguing about at this point, but I can’t believe people are saying this was a good start by Hughes. No, it obviously was terrible, but 9 base runners and two runs (of course including another homer) in 5.1 innings on 107 pitches doesn’t impress me. And that inning extending error gave him a whopping 2 whole extra pitches.

    • Mainer says:

      I think he would make a much more effective 6th/7th inning guy

    • Kevin Winters says:

      I agree he was ok. He wasn’t terrible as you said but ppl need to relax with the he was good talk.

      • jsbrendog says:

        he did what is expected of a starter. he had two really good starts and didn’t seem to have it in this game but he showed confidence in his pitches, battled hard, andput his yeam in a position to win despite not having his best stuff and struggling. how is that a bad thing?? it is the type of start CC is lauded for OH WHAT A GRINDING VETERAN WITH HIS POISE BATTLING EVEN THROUGH HIS BAD STUFF

        • DM says:

          You’d be right with the CC comparison if he made it thru 6.1 rather than 5.1. Grinding also means getting deep into games when you don’t quite have it — esp now with the short bullpen. It wasn’t a bad start but he regressed to Phive Inning Phil again.

  7. Kevin says:

    In a way,it’s why I wanted us to win it all last year. Because I truly believe that was our best shot for the next few years.

  8. Mattchu12 says:

    As an irrationally big Phil Hughes fan (first prospect followed from draft to majors, was in the stands for his near-no-hitter), I’m glad to see Mike coming around.

  9. flamingo says:

    That top picture should be labelled, HOW DARE YOU SMILE ANDRUW.

    Phil was decent tonight! That’s my silver lining.

  10. SMK says:

    Chapman’s due for some time off after throwing on back-to-back days, so there’s that.

    /silver lining

  11. Lord Snow says:

    Hey Mike, can you write or think about writing an article about the offensive ineptitude of the Yankees’ lineup following runs/homerun in the first inning? It’s a curse. Perhaps I’ve created my own narrative but it honestly seems like, once they’ve scored in the first they proceed to put their bats to slumber . . . Something . . . I need definitive evidence.

  12. pistol pete says:

    Teams not hitting, has had poor starting pitching and their two best relievers are on the dl. Tex is a disaster, needs to bat 7th and get out of an rbi slot. Does anyone ever keep a stat on how many outs a player makes. I’d bet that Tex leads that stat over the past three years. Rarely does a player stay in a 3/4/5 position with such a low batting average and most of the last three years he’s batted third, absurd. He’s been glorified because of his glove and image but the truth is he’s been a disaster for $23m per year he makes and he’s got five more years. Add to that he’s stunk in the playoffs.

    • Hummingbird S. says:

      if they really need a great glove at 1st who can’t hit, they could have gone with doug mientkiewicz

      (wonder if he’s still around btw)

  13. Hummingbird S. says:

    how long before we stop calling it a slump and accepting it’s just time catching up with and old and flawed offense?

    oh by the way, Cashman needs to be held accountable for this mess

    • eephus_pitch says:

      What should he have done differently?

    • Cuso says:

      It isn’t even 10% cashman’s fault.

      People seem to forget we actually got rid of A.J. who did that?

    • dannyc says:

      Hey hummingbird, how dare u take a shot at cashman. That is a no-no on this site. Cashman is an untouchable, the team looks great, all his moves have been perfect. Nobody can do the fantastic job cashman does.

    • forensic says:

      Chad Jennings actually did a little veiled finger pointing at Cashman in the last paragraph of his piece this morning:

      Patience isn’t exciting, but when it’s up to the players to turn things around, the best thing a manager can do is get out of the way and wait for it to happen. If it doesn’t happen, the failed decisions will be the ones made long before Girardi made out the lineup card.

      You wonder if the media continues to get nothing out of Girardi if that’ll be happening more and more.

      I’ve mostly been a supporter of Cashman, but over the last couple years I’ve been getting closer and closer to wanting some changes throughout the front office and seeing what some new blood can do.

      • forensic says:

        Though I should add that it’d been an incredibly difficult job for a new GM since he’d be stuck with an old, largely inflexible roster and payroll with a fanbase that would demand immediate results.

  14. Dino Velvet says:

    it’s time for Cashman to start spending more time with his mistresses

  15. chmch says:

    i didnt watch the whole game but the bits i saw girardi looked lost

  16. Cuso says:

    Caveat: I’m not saying this is a solution, I’m just spitballing here….

    I think they should go with an NL style lineup. In other words, make sure the “power” bats get pushed down in the order & keep the multi-faceted bats toward the top. When Gardener gets back, quit jerking around and put him up top :

    Swisher-Tex (lhp-rhp)
    Tex-Swish (rhp-lhp)

    Quit worrying about the back-to-back lefties with Granderson and Cano. If it seems too obvious it’s probably because it makes sense. Yeah your 5-6 hitters make a combined $55M and might not bat in the first inning. That’s the hand you’re dealt, though. It’s not a knee jerk move, if the guys have been hitting at the same clip for 2 years. They are what they are: diminished. One hot streak by those guys isn’t going to “normalize” them to their 2006-2007 Stat lines.

    • Cuso says:

      Ok. So it reads as if I’m saying it is a solution.

      Whatever. Sue me.

    • Lord Snow says:

      There’s one issue here, however . . . Martin. Yes, I know, I’ve been spoiled by Posada for the past decade and a half, but his lack of authority with the bat is getting entirely tiresome. Wait, what? He gets on base? Cool. Sorry, but I’d prefer a player, in the New York Yankees lineup, to actually HIT as well. I know that’s not too much to ask especially considering the incredible depth at catcher within the organization. Right? That’s what I’ve been told. Infuse some youth into the club. Just a tad. Hell, I don’t give a rat’s ass if they throw Sanchez into the ring, just something to add a little pop, unpredictability, and a whole lot of excitement back into this prehistoric team. AL East is back in beast mode, so, it’d be wholly appreciated if they assumed the form as well.

      • Guillermo says:

        Martin should sit now! Always swings for fences. I rather see Cisco kid hit with men on base. With all these former catchers as managers and coaches in the organization, why are Yankees young catchers weak defensively? This team looks old and is old and slow. Arod and. Tex contracts will choke this team for years. Stupid ownership and wimpy GM = boring team with overpriced empty seats.

  17. Bavarian Yankee says:

    “Here’s a fun fact: the Yankees have now been held to one run or less nine times this season. That’s the same number of times as both the Mariners and Twins.”

    that is indeed scary. Too many guys just aren’t producing like they should – especially with RISP – so that has to get better. The pitching staff has done a good job during the past 2 weeks, now the offense has to get it going.

  18. Greg says:

    Its begun. This was on their front page overall

    • jsbrendog says:

      we’ll see how long that lasts. my friend,m a die hard mets fan, but a realist, was talking to me about this yesterday:

      “don’t talk about it, just enjoy it. cause when it ends, it ends badly”

      • steve s says:

        You are whistling past the graveyard on this one. Met fans are like battered spouses; they are just waiting around for the beatings to resume but the Mets right now are playing more exciting ball than the Yanks (Yanks have been basically unwatchable since the Fenway visit) and they have better starting pitching. Let’s tune in about 5 weeks from now when the 6 games between Yanks/Mets have been played and see how smug we Yankee fans can be then. I’d settle for a split right now but wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out worse.

        • jsbrendog says:

          i could care less how many games against the mets the yankees win. what matters is making the playoffs. which, odds are the yankees will and mets won’t.

          • steve s says:

            If you’re being honest I’d bet that you would care if the Mets swept the Yanks. Also, if playoffs started today, Mets would be in and Yanks would be out. I dislike the Mets and Mets fans intensely but at the same time being smug and arrogant about this current Yankee squad seems pretty misplaced to me.

            • jsbrendog says:

              i’m being serious. go look at my previous comments when the yanks lost their first 8 v the sox. i don’t care how many regular season games the yankees lose to the mets, red sox, or anyone as long as they make the playoffs.

              • steve s says:

                Ok. I hear you and, of course, I too would sign-up for a playoff spot even if the Yanks combined record against the Mets and Red Sox was 0 and 24. On the other hand can you imagine the Fan Confidence Poll and comments on Monday, June 25, if the Yanks just finished getting swept for the second time by the Mets. Ugly wouldn’t even begin to describe it.

                • jsbrendog says:

                  ugh, yeah, agreed. i mean, we’re not far from it as it stands now. your average doom and gloom fan might be literally jumping from ledges if the yanks go winless against the sox and mets over a season even if they win 100 games and the division


      • Erica says:

        My boss and I are diehard Yankees fans and I told her that now we know what it’s like to be a Mets fan.

        Her response? “No…”

        I mean, I KNOW we’re never going to feel what Mets fans feel but what’s going on is certainly a SSS of the pain they have endured for years.

        • jsbrendog says:

          well, we did know what it was like to be a mets fan from about 84-93 (89-93 for me) when the yankees were pretty terrible and the mets were really good

          • Erica says:

            Have… have the tables turned back? PANICDOOMGLOOM. No, I know they haven’t. I know they haven’t. They can’t. They won’t. It’s May. We’ll be fine.

            • jsbrendog says:

              no, seriously, they’ll be fine. you have at least another yr or 2 before sandy alderson makes the mets sustainably good, imo

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          No, Erica. Being a Mets fan involves an entirely different rock layer of misery.

          This is nothing. Mets fans suffer a heartache the likes of which this wishes it was multiple times every season.

    • pat says:

      L-O-L Lets switch divisions and see how long that holds up.

      • steve s says:

        Yanks play 15 straight games (9 on the road) against the Mets (6), Braves (6) and Nats (3) from June 8-24. Watch what you wish for!

        • Cuso says:

          That road trip worked out for us pretty well in ’09. That’s when it turned around. Except it was the Nats, Marlins & Braves.

          …and Cashman flew to ATL

          …and Frankie hit the HR that broke the ice

      • jsbrendog says:

        i think the solution to our offensive woes is to make CC our dh

  19. Monterowasdinero says:

    Can’t fire the players. Joe G will start feeling the heat and maybe KLong before him. That’s the way these things work-even if they are not popping up, striking out and failing with risp. The Yanks will need to bite the bullet soon and bring up Banuelos or Mason Williams. Our old players will not get better as the LONG season wears on. We have no chemistry and the dugout looks like a morgue-especially with the comatose Girardi at the helm. Take away Damon and Matsui in 2009 and what do we have to show for the last 10 years? Look at the names of the 5 starters we have lost to since Sunday. A who’s who of mediocrity. Better wake up soon-even for those who will cite stats and say it’s early-the signs and trends are depressing.

    • Manny's BanWagon says:

      They might wanna consider developing their own 1B men moving forward because the last 2 huge free agent signings at first base fell off a cliff after a couple of productive seasons. We’re stuck watching Teixiera’s black hole in the middle of the lineup till 2017.

      • jsbrendog says:

        check your facts brah, jason giambi most certainly did not fall off a cliff offensively and his contract more than paid for itself.

        except for the 2 years he was injured he was a BEAST. and even in 07 if he played a full season he wason pace for 25+ hr and in the games he did play was league average.

        • jsbrendog says:

          well, by more than paid for itself i mean it worked out well, way better than most other long term contracts, and sadly, at this point it seemingly will hve worked out >>>>>>>> than teixeira’s contract…..but he still….has….time…

          • Manny's BanWagon says:

            Dude, I think you need to check YOUR facts.

            The Yankees paid Giambi $61 million from 2006 to 2008 and he produced 5.5 WAR.

            Aside from the first 2 years of his deal, he produced 9.9 WAR over a 5 year period and was paid $83 million so I’d hardly say the Yankees received a good return on their investment.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            I still think everyone expected a lot more out of Giambi, whether we love the guy or not. In retrospect, no, I don’t consider that a contract a great one.

            Will it work out better than Tex? I guess it’s possible, but there’s still more to go there.

            Easy to say the Yanks should develop their own first basemen. The last homegrown guy to start at the position is now managing the LA Dodgers.

            • Manny's BanWagon says:

              Your right about Mattingly.

              Damn, it’s been a LONG time since they developed a first baseman.

  20. LarryM.,Fl. says:

    These guys are not fun to watch. Usually I have patience with players performing below their career stats (back of the baseball card). But Trix. is more than this. I believe he is in decline. So much so that he can even muster up productive at bats which result in an out. He looks healthy. I have not seen him coughing after running or any all out exertion.

    Girardi make adjustments but I’ll give you a pass because the lineup has not be right without Gardner. Too many guys playing more than predicted.

    Question: What does Swisher have between his ears? his rout to second base was a bit odd. Running to the glove side and easily tagged out on a DP. A few other options may have produced only one out if he took other evasive action (steps).

  21. OMG! Bagels! says:

    It’s nice that they’re making us not need Mo this season. Rest up Mo! Maybe we’ll be in a save situation next year.

  22. Chad Gaudin the Friendly Ghost says:

    Watching Bautista hit home runs infuriates me. The way he poses after his home runs, I can’t believe more pitchers don’t dot him between the shoulder blades. He’s such an asshat.

  23. Mainer says:

    Maybe, just maybe this is simply the “dog days” of May.

    Record in May
    2011 – 15-14
    2010 – 16-13
    2009 – 17-11

    2012(so far) – 7-8

    • jsbrendog says:

      ive been saying they are notoriously slow starters as a team and then go on obscene tears around june/july

      • Cris Pengiucci says:

        Yeah, that’s it, they’re just resting now to take advantage of the heat of the summer when all the other teams are dragging ….

        Or something like that.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Even if that was it, though, it’s not the most comforting thought in the world.

        Yes, my forever memory of this team is one in which they spent some time keeping up with the pack, then breaking away. This may be that, three games is three games, blah blah blah. There are actual risk factors here which should concern us as to their ability to break away from the pack in 2012.

        See? This is the shit I can’t say during a game thread. Then I get nailed for being fucking Pollyanna.

    • LarryM.,Fl. says:

      If you notice the the winning % is lower each year toward 2012. The team gets older, injuries become prevalent and those vaunted players signed during FA so their true worth. Sorry Teix. we need a whipping boy! But please note, so many guys are not playing well.

      So it is what it is.

  24. TomH says:

    I kept sayin all winter–to heaps of scorn–1965, 1965, 1965. Old, old, and old. This is not a slump. It’s old, tepid water seeking its new level.

    And if you were in the seats it certainly didn’t feel as if Hughes were pitching all that well to get excited about. Trade him to some team with a big outfield, in return for someone who ground ball outs.

  25. Tomm says:

    Teixeira is a platoon player.

  26. Frank says:

    Hughes showed me again why he is not cut out to be a stsrter. He’s just a FB pitcher with mediocre secondary pitches. While he only gave up 2 runs, he was fortunate he didn’t give up more as several FBs down the middle were just missed resulting in pop ups. To be an effective starter, he needs at least 1, preferably 2 other pitches he can throw with conviction and consistency. Otherwise, against a powerful lineup, it’s just a matter of time before he gets hit. Last night was the perfect example- majority of FBs, high pitch count, God knows how many 3-2 counts, resulting in 100+ pitches in 5.1 innings.

    • jsbrendog says:


      when hughes has an identical start on the heels of two very very good starts it is WHAT A BUM< CAN"T START< HE SUCKS TO THE PENNN!!!!!!


      • Frank says:

        Comparing Hughes to CC is just ridiculous. That’s your first mistake. So, we’ll just stop there.

        • jsbrendog says:

          no, it is not. because when a pitched who is coming off back to back good to really good starts struggles with command and his pitches but goes 5-6 ip while fighting and keeping his team in it it is the same thing. it should be even more of a feat for hughes because he isn’t as good as cc.

          • jsbrendog says:

            he battled and kept his team in it despite not having it. it doesn’t matter who you are that should be commended, not because of who you are. he didn’t get shelled when he easily could have. he could’ve walked the farm, he could’ve done a ton of things terribly but he buckled down, went back to the pitches that screwed him and showed resilience and resolve, things you APPLAUD in a pitcher.

            does it mean anything in the long run? I hope so. we’ll find out his next start. if he gets shelled, well, c’est la vie. if he does the same thing, then there is still hope. if he does well again like his previous two starts before last night, then, awesome.

            • Randi says:

              You can’t compare CC and Phil, simply because CC has been in the league much longer. CC is like 32 while Phil is what, 25?? Phil has a long way to go. Its part of the reason why I still believe in Hughes. He really has to improve his pitch efficiency but he didn’t do a bad job last night.

        • Jim Is Bored says:

          …You missed the entire point of the comparison. Pettitte made a living off of these starts the last 3-4 years of his career and everyone loved it.

          When Hughes does it, it’s because he sucks? Whatever man.

          • jsbrendog says:

            thank you sir.

          • DM says:

            Hughes didn’t suck — but there’s a difference between 5.1 and 6.1 — esp with a short pen. Andy still managed to pitch into the 7th in his first start back — and he was 6+ inning pitch in his last season before retiring. Grinding through those extra outs makes a difference, but Phil can do that when he throws 20 pitches an inning.

            • DM says:


              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                I think elements of what everyone said in this comment thread are correct. Hughes still needs to become more efficient to maintain the success we’ve seen recently and, yes, while these four starts have been encouraging, we still need to see more, and we need to see more improvement.

                However, you know what? I was happy with last night’s start and there is a bit of a double standard with “inefficient” versus “grinding it out.” I guess that, when you’re CC Sabathia, you’ve earned the benefit of the doubt a bit more.

  27. Tomm says:

    Totally agree with this guy. And when Hughes’s arm starts to tire mid-season, he will start getting creamed like wheat.

  28. DJ4K&Monterowasdinero says:

    Ibanez, Jones, Martin, Chavez, Tex…..these 5 guys in our lineup are…..depressing.

    We need some youth!

    • TomH says:

      Although I agree with the sentiment, it’s easier said than done.

      What we keep hearing is that the quality position prospects are way down in A-ish ball and a couple of years or more away. Some number x of these will lose luster on their way through the A’s and never make it to the Stadium.

      Over the past 47 years, the Yankees have had to go through 2 Purgatorial periods until they retooled. Many (I think) on the board remember the last one. Not many of us remember the 1965-and-after misery. Sin must be paid for during such periods (e.g., the racial recruiting sins of the 1947-64 period). The team may have to pay for contractual sin now, especially if its owners are serious about their budget projections.

      Of course, such seriousness may be precisely how one must pay for contractual sins.

  29. Lord Tywin says:

    I’ve been saying for weeks that this ballclub looks lifeless and that they’re just going through the motions. Jete kept us afloat for a little while but there’s only so much he can do. Joe needs to make a statement and move Teixera down to 7th or give him some days off. Do something to change things up.

    • Cuso says:

      that statement won’t exactly help the team, unfortunately. it’s merely a statement “Hey, Tex, you suck!”
      it’s not about making statements to one guy. The whole team isn’t doing their collective jobs.

      Now if it was a situation when the entire lineup was shuffled and he said “Hey, guys. I’m running this exact same lineup out for 2 weeks straight to see what it gets us.” Then, I think you’d be more in making-a-statement territory.

      Calling one guy a piece of shit (no matter how all much all of us are fed up with him) helps noone. Not even the fans.

      • Randi says:

        I understand what you’re saying, but I’m sick and tired of hearing Girardi let Teix make decisions about playing. Teix is not doing well at the plate and he’s had lingering bronchitis, which is probably diminishing his energy. Girardi has to be the manager here and have Teix take a day or two off. It’ll be good for the team and Teix himself.

  30. Erica says:

    The only concept getting me through all this nonsense is that the ghost of AJ Burnett is haunting the team. He has unfinished business.


  31. Lord Tywin says:

    And I’m sick of these people saying well they score almost 5 runs a game. Yeah, because they’ll score 11 then 2 then 1. That’s not a good offense! They’re not consistent. They’re old and slow. We need Brett Gardner.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      Yeah how dare people cite something like an “average”??!?!

      • forensic says:

        Yeah, but only scoring like that will get you a really bad record over the course of the season.

      • eephus_pitch says:

        When a team is as inconsistent as these Yanks, citing their average runs scored is a flawed argument. You need to look at their mean runs scored, instead. Sure they’ve had a few high-scoring games, but they’ve also had an alarming number of offensive no-shows. It balances out and looks fine from an average perspective, but we can all see the reality.

        Imagine the Yankees played a 5-game series. In the first game they score 25 runs. In the next four, they’re shut out (maybe they faced four rookie pitchers). But that’s awesome! They’re averaging 5 runs a game!
        No. Their mean runs scored would be zero, because in 4 of those games they scored zero runs. They’re more likely to score zero than five. At least, right now they are.

        It’s an important distinction.

        • forensic says:

          With some variations here and there, average and mean are the same thing. The ‘mode’ in your example is zero as the modal value is the most frequently occuring one in a sample.

  32. The Guns of Navarone says:

    I think you need to just tip your cap to Hutchison. He used all two of his pitches effectively all night and was routinely dialing it up to 91mph in big spots. He also did a good job of limiting the walks to just about half a dozen per nine for the game.

    Looking on the bright side, the Yankees can always fall back on their pitching and of course their always stellar defense to prevent runs until the offense wakes up.

    You have to look at the big picture. The way the Yankees are being run as an organization is top-notch. You can always count on the manager to pull the right strings. What matters is that the team is well-rested. And we all know it’s only a matter of time before more top-tier talent graduates to the big league level. The Yankees history of developing talent is one thing that truly can’t be questioned. Reinforcements are on the way.

  33. rek4gehrig says:

    I laughed too.

  34. sandy g says:

    i believe there are teams out there that would trade for teixeira and a rod.cashman and his personal problems are effecting the way he runs this is the time to blow this team up.they need a complete long are we to give teixeira a pass on his offense because he is a good defense player.

    • eephus_pitch says:

      If you complain this much now, what will you be like if they blow the team up and proceed to lose 90 games?

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