Yanks in need of a shake-up (that isn’t coming)


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I can’t remember the last time the Yankees played this poorly for an extended period of time like they are right now. It wasn’t 2008, so you have to go back to the early-1990s and I don’t want to think back that far. Yes we’ve been spoiled and yes, the Yankees have been terrible for the last three weeks or so. They’ve scored two or fewer runs in five of their last seven and 11 of their last 21 games. Impossible to win like that.

Back in the day, George Steinbrenner probably would have fired someone by now. Or at least I think he would have, that’s what everyone else is telling me. I wasn’t really old enough to appreciate his heyday. Anyway, the Yankees need some kind of shake-up right now, but I don’t mean firing Joe Girardi or a coach or anything like that. More like … drop Tony Womack and Jaret Wright and recall Robinson Cano and Chien-Ming Wang. That type of thing. You know, inject a little youth into a team that seems to be sleepwalking for 27 outs a night.

Unfortunately, the Yankees can’t make a move like that. The current roster is completely inflexible, with big contracts all of the place and nowhere to move these guys. I mean, I suppose they could bench Russell Martin and insert Frankie Cervelli into the lineup, but that’s not exactly what I have in mind when I talk about a shake-up. Brandon Laird isn’t doing to replace Alex Rodriguez, Colin Curtis isn’t going to replace Nick Swisher, there’s nothing to do. The Yankees made their bed with these guys and now they have to sleep in it.

Pretty much the only move the club can realistically make right now is dumping Freddy Garcia, but no one cares about the 12th man on the staff. Adding a new long reliever isn’t exactly the kind the move that will light a fire under the team. That’s not a shake-up, that’s a pretty typical roster move. Other than getting Brett Gardner back at some point in the next two weeks (hopefully), there’s no change coming and that’s a problem. The guys already in the clubhouse are responsible for turning things around and that’s not easy to do.

The Yankees fell into last place last night and are lucky no one is running away with the AL East. They’re still only five back in the loss column with 120 games to play, many of them intra-division games. We’ve seen them go on huge second half runs before and after 42 games, we have to hope they have another one in them. Different doesn’t always mean better, but a roster shake-up of some kind is something we’d probably see when things got this bad. There just aren’t any moves that can be made, so instead we get Mark Teixeira batting seventh. That’s the only shake-up they can make because the roster is so inflexible.

Categories : Musings


  1. Pat D says:

    Chances most of the readership of this site accepts the validity of this article: I’m guessing around 65%.

    • jsbrendog says:

      sept 1 2011 the red sox were 8.5 games up on missing a playoff spot, the braves 3.5 on ariz but 8.5 on the cards, the team that actually caught them. and people are freaking out about 5 games back with 120 to play.

      le sigh.

      • Erica says:

        I think we’re all freaking out because we haven’t yet seen the light at the end of the tunnel in terms of getting well above .500 ball.

        • Cris Pengiucci says:

          I think we’re all freaking out (well, a lot of us anyway) because this could be the beginning of several years of non-playoff teams. I’m not yet ready to concede that, but the possibility seems more and more likely as the season progresses. If the team still looks this bad at the All-Star Break, I’ll definitely be concerned for this year and the next few after that.

          Luckily, there’s still plenty of thime till July.

          • Deep Thoughts says:

            Jesus. You can jump off those bridges when you get to them. No need to freak out about them now.

      • Nick says:

        I think baseball fans as a whole get wrapped up too much in the numbers game sometimes.

        The point is that the Yankees don’t look like they’ve been unlucky or like they’re about to put a run together. They just look at this stage like an old, lifeless and frankly below average team.

        I’m not saying that they won’t turn it around to some degree at some point. What I am saying is that the current roster, lack of minors depth and long term contract commitments make what is already a historically bad spell even more concerning. I think in that context we can forget about the numbers and rely on our eyes and they tell us that something needs changing.

        However, the same problems I just cited mean there is little or no flexibility to make changes. TBH, I haven’t seen many sensible suggestions here or elsewhere anyway. It mostly seems to be ‘fire Girardi’ or trade this guy etc. What can we actually do but wait it out and hope that they sort it out. After all, they’re not that old!


        • jsbrendog says:

          but this is exactly what everyone was saying in 2007, and every other year the team was playing like this and was way under 500. THEYRE OLD!!! SLOW!! DONE!!! JETER IS USELESS!! ETC

          • Nick says:

            I get that which is why I qualified my post by saying that it only looks bad at this stage. My point was that the lack of depth and the long contracts make it more concerning.

            As a matter of fact, I think the old thing is just an excuse. Tex is 32 and should be absolutely in his prime. Same for Grandy and Swish who are both 31. Cano is only 29. Even A-Rod and Jeter only 36 & 37 which is by no means ancient.

            As I said, the problem isn’t neccesarily that the team ARE old, it’s that they are currently playing like they are.

            As fans, maybe we need to hold these guys to account and not jump on management so much. These guys should be more than capable of being a top 3 offense given their talent and history.

            • OldYanksFan says:

              Not to mention 40 yr old Ibanez is overachieving, Jeter is doing fine, and Mo (42) before injured, was dealing. ‘Old’ is really just a description of people doing poorly.

              Great players are often very productive in their late 30′s.

              Babe Ruth, at 37, posted a career average OPS+.
              Hank Aaron had his BEST year (OPS+) at 37.
              Ted William was somewhat below his career average (OPS+) at 37, but had his 2nd BEST year at 38.

              ARod and Jeter are in fine physical shape. If they are not injured, while they might not post career average numbers, could still be very productive.

              Our team is ‘old’ because… ya know… YOU HOLD ON TO GREAT PLAYERS!

          • toad says:

            So that means it can’t be accurate in 2012?

    • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

      im guessing much lower. i don’t even know what the point of the article was. the yankees roster is inflexible because they have too many perennial all stars and not enough tony womacks?

      • Pat D says:

        I guess in the sense that they have too many perennial all-stars with long term contracts not playing as well as they should, as opposed to not enough Tony Womacks who have shorter, easily discarded contracts that can be eaten.

        • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

          in the context of the 2012 season and the yankees farm system, this article still doesnt make a whole lot of sense. its not like they have mike trout and bryce harper and all these great looking prospects in AAA waiting for a chance. the best prospect is austin romine who hasnt even played this season. theres nobody of robinson cano’s ability or ceiling thats MLB ready in the yankees farm system. the one suggestion that was made was brandon laird and theres no way he typed that with a straight face.

          again, the article doesnt make sense, and its hard to find the point. it comes across as a frustrated rant from one of the many trolls that populate this site. my guess is in 3 weeks when the yankees are winning and back toward the top of the division mike will want this article back. oh well.

          • eephus_pitch says:

            It’s not fair to call frustrated fans “trolls,” as if there’s only one real way to follow and support the team. Some people just get a little more pessimistic than others. That doesn’t make them trolls.

            Trolls would be Red Sox or Mets fans coming in here just to start shit and call names.

            Frankly, too much of the “relax they’ll be fine – don’t be a hysterical idiot” stuff can be just as annoying as the “trade everyone – they’re done – looking forward to 2013″ stuff.

        • aluis says:

          This +1

      • Mike HC says:

        No, the real underlying point was that we don’t have Jesus Montero.

    • thomas 403 says:

      The article fails to mention that under our beloved (kidding) GM Cashman there is nobody in AAA that can come up like Wang and Cano did. Both Wang and Cano were signed by the Tampa faction. As bad as the Tampa faction was Cashman has surpassed them.
      The article fails to mention that under Cashman 7 years the Yankees have not one player on their team contributing today.
      Don’t mention Hughes, Nova Gardner, Jackson, Montero because they came from Tampa.

      Only two guys he has either signed or drafted in seven years have amounted to anything. Robertson and Kennedy and both are not on our team. In 7 years and just two guys. The rest are flops or never have been.
      This season the Yanks needed an OF and all they could get after 7 years of Cashmans full control are retreads. The Yankee OF right now is where outs go to grow up in to doubles.
      This is Cashmans team. He has given Joe G CC and 4 large question marks. Cashman is paying in the excess of 14 million dollars to pitchers not to pitch for the Yankees
      Cashman called Martins play Munson like, that alone should be a firing offense.
      Cashman traded our best prospect and got nothing in return. Both guys he got for Montero have had their long term durability questioned since the day they were signed in the minors. This deal is worse than even getting Javier Vazquez not once but twice, Lowell, Marte, Pavano, Burnett, Weaver, Wright and that is something I never thought Cashman could do.
      You have David Cone saying that our 10 million dollar pitcher is not suited for the AL. Cone said that this guy could get those get me over pitchers in the NL but not in the AL. Why did Cone see this and Cashman didn’t?

      This is Cashmans team and it is a mess. He wanted full control and he got it for 7 years . So now he is to take the full blame if this 200 million dollar team doesn’t make the play off. If this happens fire them all including his minor league guys and replace them with baseball men like The Stick.

      Getting both Tony LaRussa and Dave Duncan is a start on the field.

  2. chaz says:

    Weren’t they 18-30 in 2007?

  3. Opus says:

    Time for a night on the town with some Mark Grace-worthy women.

  4. mike says:

    IMO that’s why Mr. Cashman needs to go….the draft strategy has been flawed, player development is absent, and other than a ok-hit/no field utility player ( Nunez) there is no one who can either replace or threaten to replace a current player on the roster because the cubbard is barren.

    the absolute inability to develop a decent starting pitcher over the past 5-6 years despite the intense focus, most revenue and best facilities is inexcusable.

    drafting “project” pitchers like Brackman is wonderful if you have the tools to mold them. They apparently do not.

    also, the fact that the last 3 big pitchers the Yanks developed – Joba, Hughes and Pineda – all showed up fat and out of shape in spring training is an indictment of the management and the respect it demands from players.

    Mr. Axsia mentions he doesnt remember the Boss and how he would have freaked out….I do, it wasnt always pretty, but the protection of players who are not committed to their task or playing shoddy baseball would have been made clear to everyone – and that may just be what the doctor orders to escape this malaise.

    Additionally, sometimes you make a trade for bigger reasons than their stratomatic card- i.e. dumping Nomar for less-quality players to change a dynamic….

    • craig says:

      The Yankees didn’t develop Pineda. Joba’s weight has never affected his pitching.

      They have a top-10 farm system, so the idea that they don;t have a good system is not true as well.

      Really, everything you wrote is just not accurate at all. You’re angry that they are losing…I get it. They have had a lot of injuries and some bad luck and they haven’t played well for the last couple of weeks. Ok…things will get better because the likelihood of everything going against them just won’t continue and they’ll go on a winning streak or two.

      This is just a typical reactionary fan-rant, which includes the obligatory “fire cashman” meme.

      • mike says:

        No one said the Yanks developed Pineda…but would expect when they trade for a pitcher the new team advises him of expectations i.e. facial hair, conditioning program etc. and would make him accountable. Apparently they did not, or Pineda didn’t care. That is a management issue.

        No one can say for certain Joba’s issues were not a result of poor conditioning. Logically, if you are out of shape, more bad physical things are likely to befall you if you play professional sports. Either way, a young guy came in out of shape. No excuse.

        No one should care what their farm system is rated – their top pitching prospects all have health issues and they have no decent offensive player within 3 years of the big leagues.

        Please tell me where i am innacurate…

        • Erica says:

          “also, the fact that the last 3 big pitchers the Yanks developed – Joba, Hughes and Pineda – “

        • craig says:

          Pineda had to hold off on coming to Tampa for several weeks as the trade was being processed. He hurt his shoulder, which had nothing to do with being a few pounds overweight.

          Joba had TJ…had nothing to do with his weight.

          Just because you say it, doesn’t make it true.

          Pitching prospects get hurt or fail to develop…that is what happens to everyone’s pitching prospects.

          The Yankees have had a lot of injuries. Sucks, but no excuses, they have to play better.

          I believe that they will based on the large body of evidence showing how good their players are.

          You believe heads should roll because Joba had TJ and fell on a trampoline, Pineda hurt his shoulder, Mo tripped on the warning track, Robertson hurt his oblique, Jeter got called out when he was safe, Alex got called out on a pitch out of the strike zone and the beers are expensive at the stadium.

          Gotcha…although, i do agree with you on the beer part.

        • craig says:

          “Please tell me where i am innacurate…”

          You are inaccurate in all of your analysis and interpretation of events.

          I mean, everything you said was wrong.

          That is, you are completely, totally and unequivocally not right.

        • Deep Thoughts says:

          Yes, it’s logical, all that extra fat weight in Pineda’s arm must have caused excess strain on his shoulder, causing a labral tear.

          Then you move on to demand that someone prove a negative–i.e. that Joba’s weight didn’t cause his injuries. Then you editorialize about acceptable reporting weights even though you have no professional experience, and then go on to discount professional talent evaluators’ ranking of the farm system.

          Your post is hypocritical, poorly reasoned, and intellectually dishonest. You’re so full of it it must be coming out of your ears.

      • Frank says:

        They may have a top 10 farm system. Unfortunately, the majority of the “top prospects” are in the lower minors. The fact the Yanks don’t have a viable OF option at AAA to replace Gardner while he’s on the DL says all you need to know about their minor league options. As a result, Granderson can’t get a day off and their stuck with Ibanez and Wise playing the OF.

        • craig says:

          Wise is their 5th outfielder. You want them to have a great 6th outfielder? Okay, I think your expectations of what every team has for depth is what is the problem.

      • Steve says:

        Do the Yankees still have a Top 10 farm system? I thought that went out the window when they traded Montero and graduated Phelps. I thought the industry consensus was that they were (literally) middle of the road. 15ish.

    • TomH says:

      I made this point about George earlier. His explosions were intended to do what the manager(s) could not so easily do then or now: shame the players. We can say all we want about how proud they are and how little, therefore, they need prodding. Nonsense, flying in the face of all we know about human beings and the likelihood that, fat enough, they’ll begin coasting on their reputations.

      George’s taunts also reassured the fans that management was not indifferent to what was going on. And if I were Young Hal, I might want to give precisely such reassurance, especially if I had a Stadium to pay off and fans to keep attracting to the joint.

      Remember what it was the allegedly got Mel Allen (or was it Red Barber) canned? Asking the cameraman to show just how empty Yankee Stadium was one day late in the 1965 or 66 season.

      • Cuso says:

        In fairness, I don’t think the intent was to “shame” players.

        Probably motivate, light a fire under their ass, warn them to “produce…or else.”

        The only one I can think of the Boss using the media to shame someone was Hideki Irabu.

        • jim p says:

          “Mr May” Winfield was also George’s. Got on Billy Martin a lot too.

        • Mike says:

          Either you were born in the late 1980′s or weren’t a fan of the Yankees prior to 1996… The Boss did it EVERY year, he even got suspended by MLB because he ordered a private investigator to dig up dirt on Winfield.

          Donnie Baseball was also the target of Steinbrenner with the whole “long hair” afair (I don’t like calling him “George”, nobody called him that before Seinfeld, it was a disrepect and EVERY Yankees fan knows it).

          He practically criticized everyone (he was even on the verge of fighting Vs. David Wells one afternoon when Mr. Wells confronted him in the parking lot).

  5. Leg-End says:

    What’s the chances of Hughes being stella through 5 innings to then hit the wall and give up 5 runs, call for us all to send him back to the pen, DFA Garcia and sign Oswalt. I think quite high.

    Worst of it all I don’t even like Oswalt.

  6. Nikolia says:

    They just need to let cashman go, he’s only hurt the team and the only good signing was cc, previous gm’s built the farm system that started the dynasty

    • Erica says:

      So Cashman has everything to do with the lack of offense lately?

      Cool story bro. Let’s hear more.

      • jsbrendog says:

        didn’t you know? everyone hates cashman and makes fun of his balding head and stupid face. if they fired him they’d go on a 120 game winning streak.

        • Erica says:

          UGH you are so right. Sorry guys. Carry on. Cashmen sucketh!!!!11uno

        • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

          the only thing more annoying than extreme cashman haters is extreme cashman apologists.

          • The Irony Guy says:

            This is ironic because he’s right.

          • jsbrendog says:

            nowhere in my above comment did i apologize for cashman or say anyting other than make fun of people who think firing the gm will fix the team (it wont)

            • The Irony Guy says:

              a·pol·o·gist (-pl-jst)
              A person who argues in defense or justification of something, such as a doctrine, policy, or institution

              • Havok9120 says:

                He’s not defending Cashman at all. He’s saying that firing him won’t fix the team. And he’s right.

            • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

              your comment was apologizing for cashman. youve made similar comments time and time again over the years. i didnt mean to come down on you, we’re all upset theyre losing, but i get tired of all the RAB regulars rushing to cashmans defense every time someone says something negative about him.

              really the only inaccurate part of nikolias post was “he’s only hurt the team”

              • jsbrendog says:

                i have made comments about it in the past, correct. this comment, is the same even if jim bowden were our gm. so in this instance, nice try.

                firing the gm would do nothing for this team and how it is playing.

                • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

                  nothing nikolia said implied the team would start playing better if cashman was fired. reread the comment. once you do, you’ll find that you either made shit up, or put words in his/her mouth.

                  it goes without saying that any talk of a gm change is about the future.

                  so, in conclusion, nice try.

              • BoKnows says:

                How can you “apolgize” for someone that has not done anything wrong?

                This article is stupidly written. The roster is inflexible because they acquired too many good players?! OH NO!

                Sometimes, some people just are not suited to watch baseball. It requires patience.

                • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

                  it was more about jumping down anyones throat that says anything bad about cashman. hes done it for years on this site. it gets old. nikolia didnt even say anything egregious. i dont dislike cashman, and while i think dont think hes a great gm, i dont think hes a bad one. he handles ownership and the media relatively well, and everyone seems to like and respect him. im fine with him running the team for now.

                  and yes, this article is brutal. i think everyones a little on edge though.

                • RI$P FTW says:

                  Our entire county and media is obsessed with making people apologize when they didn’t do anything wrong.

                  • TomH says:

                    #@#$%%! Someone has already pointed out what an “apologist” is? GET a goddamned DICTIONARY. To call someone an “apologist” for Cashman is not to say he is apologizing on behalf of Cashman.

          • Steve says:

            The only thing more annoying than both is the played out misspelling meme followed by some variation of !1!!!1oneeleveenuno!

      • Mike says:

        “So Cashman has everything to do with the lack of offense lately?”

        Yes, he is responsible for the signings and movements. Whenever you have a bunch of guys hitting 0.220 or lower you need to make moves, but instead he leaves them because he was wise enough to reward a 0.250-0.260 hitter like Martin enough money so as to warrant him he won’t be cut nor benched for long periods of time. Teix also has his place secured because he makes a ton of money and doesn’t need to make an effort until he is in a contract year (same thing happened with Giambi).

  7. jsbrendog says:

    dear yankee fans,
    firing the gm won’t change anything about this team’s roster construction, inability to hit, inability to pitch, or their desire to do so.

    • Hummingbird S. says:

      You´re right in that changing the GM wont change the team or the flaws it has. But at some point, said GM needs to be held accountable for this flawed team that he built with no “emergency exits” in case something goes bad (like it went with the aging offense).

      It is just as Mike wrote, there is no fix for this team.

      • Dan says:

        There is no fix because of the injuries the Yankees have, some years you have injuries to critical players and there will be an adjustment period. The Yankees are without their two best relievers, and their starting LF. I think the loss of Gardner is very understated because he has been one of the best Yankees at working pitch counts and getting the opposing pitchers out of the game earlier. His defense has also been missed as there were a couple of plays to left that Ibanez either misread or misplayed that Gardner would have had a much higher likelihood of making the play.

        • Hummingbird S. says:

          The BP has been just fine.. the problem has been the offense. There haven´t been a ton of injuries to that part of the team, like you claimed. It´s been just Gardner, and the best option they have is Dwayne Wise.

          Also, they have no alternatives to replace a struggling vet because of the way the roster was constructed and THAT is on the GM.

          • Dan says:

            They have options in Laird, Pearce, and Mustellier. However, unless they are going to get regular playing time, why bring them up? Making them bench players will more likely stunt their development. If A-rod or Tex end up on the DL I am sure we will see one of those three players come up.

          • Dan says:

            Also, the injury to Dickerson took away their best option for replacing Gardner. However, the main point is still true as they lack outfield depth, but that was the same situation last year as well.

            • Mike says:

              So their best option was a journeyman who has no power, virtually no speed, and has batted 0.267 AVG in his career prior to coming to the Yanks, with a los OBP? And that is not in the GM? WOOOOOOOOW!

    • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

      nobody thinks that it will. a gm change is about future years, not 2012. i figured that went without saying….

    • Mr. December says:


      Firing the GM won’t fix anything today. As Mike pointed out there isn’t much that can be done right now but making a change at the top will be a good way to start the ball rolling. Its time to part ways with Mr.Cashman and take the team in a new direction. The trades have been questionable, the signings have been hit and miss, and the player development hasn’t really panned out the way we would have expected. At some point he has to be held accountable. It sends a message to the rest of the organization that everyone (players included) must be accountable for their actions.

      This is what Cashman wanted when he demanded control. He said he would be accountable for the way the rosters are constructed. He owns the roster we see today (with the exception of Soriano) and it isn’t very productive.

      • jsbrendog says:

        he doesnt “own” arod either, hank does. and levine owns jeters obscene contract.

        • Carl G says:

          Of course, jeter’s contract isn’t the problem right now; he’s one of the only ones hitting the damn ball!

          • Cris Pengiucci says:

            And it seems possible his contract will look almost good by the time it ends. If he continues to produce as he did over the entire 2011 season and as he has so far this season, at least it won’t look terrible.

          • eephus_pitch says:

            Jeter was one of the ones hitting the ball. In April.
            He’s been just as useless as the rest of them this month.

      • Havok9120 says:

        Yeah, he demanded control. He also didn’t really get it in terms of the front office shutting up about big contracts. You know, the contracts that are hamstringing us right now.

        I think that that may have changed now that Hal is fully in control of ownership and Cashman got a new contract, but that remains to be seen for now.

    • BoKnows says:

      Dear Yankees “fan”. Claiming they have no desire to hit will not make it true.

      – The Real World.

      • Jim Is Bored says:


        The idea that they look like they don’t care is so stupid to me. You think someone reaches the pinnacle of a sport because they don’t care? Just because someone is slumping does not imply they’re not trying just as hard as they are when they’re mashing.

  8. I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

    George would have fired KLong. I have zero doubt.

    That said, Mike, please don’t feed the trolls. When we’re playing .500 ball at the ASB we can start (and only start) to dismay. But until then let’s wait until its 80 degrees every day shall way?

    • forensic says:

      It’s in the mid-to-upper 90′s everyday here already. Does that mean I can start to dismay now?

    • TomH says:

      Feeding the “trolls”? Who are they? People severely critical of the team? That doesn’t necessarily make them trolls.

      In any case, you ain’t seen nothin yet re trolls! If this team bottoms out, as it did in the late 60s, the “trolls” will not be baiting with criticism: they’ll be laughing and pointing. When Yankees collapse, they get laughed at. Even Libyan rebels will get rid of their Yankee caps. Been there, seen that, dread its reappearance.

  9. DJ4K&Monterowasdinero says:

    Of course I have watched alot of Mariner games this year and even though they are often terrible, they have a young dominant pitcher who can bust a losing streak and alot of young, inexpensive players with upside and lower expectations. They have 3 big time pitching prospects in AAA/AA. Very few unmoveable players and contracts and they play with enthusiasm. They are more enjoyable to watch this year-especially with Montero’s abs and playing time.

    I still love the Yanks and always will but I enjoy having another rooting interest.

    • jsbrendog says:

      then go comment on a mariners blog and not here

    • craig says:

      Give it a rest already…

    • Pat D says:

      Even though I bought a throwback Mariners hat (the 80′s trident hat), they are one team that no self-respecting Yankees fan should EVER consider rooting for as a second team.

      Other teams on that list: all other AL East teams, Rangers, Angels, Mets, Phillies.
      Teams that could be on that list: Indians, Tigers, White Sox, Braves, Cardinals, Dodgers, Giants

      • Buddy says:

        Curious why Mariners? Is it b/c of ’95?

        • Pat D says:

          That, and the way they dicked over the Yankees in the Cliff Lee negotiations, the way they wanted Austin Jackson for Jarrod Washburn, and that even though I know it’s not true I won’t give up the feeling that they might have known something about Pineda being hurt.

          • pat says:

            Even if the Mariners knew Pineda was hurt and Jack Z had a framed MRI of Pineda’s damaged labrum I still wouldn’t blame them. Yes, obviously it’s immoral and fucked up as all hell, but it was the Yanks’ responsibility to make sure that wasn’t the case beforehand. Cash doesn’t look at the X-Rays and MRI’s, that’s on the team doctors.

            • Randi B says:

              Thank you. The conspiracy theory going around Yankeeville is that the Mariners knew Pineda was damaged goods, but doesn’t anyone realize that before a trade is completed the teams give the players they receive physicals? There have been a number of trades in sports that have been cancelled because of what’s discovered during a physical.

              • Pat D says:

                To clarify, I’m sure that the Mariners didn’t know anything and it was basically a freak injury. However, I just feel like holding grudges against a team I’ve loathed for 17 years.

      • Cuso says:

        If you’re a Yankee fan, you’re supposed to ‘strongly dislike’ the Mariners, Indians and Orioles.

        They stood in our way when this run began.

        • Mike says:

          Orioles? the Yanks lost to the M’s in 1995 when this run began (1994 was cancelled and in 1993 they finished 2dn to the BJays).

          In 1997 they lost against the Indians.
          In 2002 they lost against the Angels.
          In 2004 they lost against the bosux.

          Orioles? have not had a winning season since the Yanks eliminated them back in 1996 (well 1997 though they didn’t got to face each other in the playoffs).

    • Buddy says:

      And the cost of all that youth/low expectations and flexiblity? you never make the playoffs.

      Yes, the Yankees have roster inflexibility. Its the price they pay for keeping their stars around and making the playoffs pretty much every single year.

    • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

      montero has sucked this year. low walk rate, high K rate, cant hit a righty. im sure safeco isn’t helping, and i know its only 2 months, but yeesh….

      ::checks mariners 40man::

      dear god im glad the yankees dont have that roster.

      • BoKnows says:

        You say “this year” like Montero has not played like this EVERY year…

        • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

          what do you mean? montero showed a higher walk rate and lower K rate throughout the minors than he has this year. its a small sample, hes young, and im sure he’ll improve, but its not like watching him so far in 2012 has been some great treat, the way monteroisdinero is implying.

    • LarryM.,Fl. says:

      I have never had a another rooting interest in baseball other than the Yankees. I’m not saying your wrong and I’m right. But , you bring up a great point about playing with enthusiasm. The Yankees don’t. Its a business. Guys who play with enthusiasm are embarrassed to be in last place, 42 games into the season.

      I don’t see it on their faces except Jeter and Ibanez look uncomfortable with the day to day at this point.

      I truly believe the Yanks will turn it around when the lineup as all its pieces plugged into it. But until then its what it is. Mediocrity at its best.

  10. Erica says:

    At this point, what more is there to say? Day after day, night after night – it’s been the same thing. This will work itself out. It has to. Law of averages, or something. The O’s can’t play the way they’ve been the whole season and we won’t be RISP-failing the whole season.

    This is what I keep telling myself because I refuse to believe “it’s 1965 all over again,” as many people have claimed it to be.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I sure hope it’s not 1965. Even my dad was only 15 back then.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Hell, my mom wasn’t even in the US in 1965.

        • Erica says:

          Haha, that would be trippy if it turned back into 1965, Austin-Powers-style.

          • Pat D says:

            The only good thing about that is the music would be much better and I would work tirelessly to make sure The Beatles never broke up.

            • Erica says:

              Destroy Teh_Yoko!1

              (I’ll help you!)

              • Pat D says:

                Yoko really only played a minor part. I’d have to try and prevent Brian Epstein’s death and if that didn’t work, to convince them from never forming Apple. That’s really why they broke up.

                There’s a very good book on the subject called “You Never Give Me Your Money: The Beatles After The Break-Up,” if you have an interest.

            • nsalem says:

              There’s great music now it’s just not on commercial stations.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Make sure they still record “Revolver” and beyond, though.

              Also, save Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin. Get rid of whoever in the Jefferson Airplane was responsible for Starship instead.

              • Cris Pengiucci says:

                Yeah, I’d love to have seen Jimi (missed by a few years. My brother saw him and was at Woodstock as well … the original one).

                Oh yeah, back to the Yankees. Keeping my fingers crossed as well that they don’t fall into a mid-late ’60′s through mid ’70′s type of decline.

              • Pat D says:

                Good points.

                Yea, I intend the Beatles to keep recording. See, if I can prevent them from creating Apple, they wouldn’t have the business problems and wouldn’t start suing each other. That way they could have started doing solo stuff but kept coming back together as a group every so often. Maybe Lennon never gets murdered that way.

              • Cuso says:

                “Get rid of whoever in the Jefferson Airplane was responsible for Starship instead”


  11. JohnC says:

    DFA Garcia. Bring up Musteiller. Its a start. Garcia is a complete wastes of roster space right now

  12. V says:

    “I can’t remember the last time the Yankees played this poorly for an extended period of time like they are right now. It wasn’t 2008, so you have to go back to the early-1990s and I don’t want to think back that far. Yes we’ve been spoiled and yes, the Yankees have been terrible for the last three weeks or so. They’ve scored two or fewer runs in five of their last seven and 11 of their last 21 games. Impossible to win like that.”

    2008 was pretty close. They scored 2 or fewer in 9 out of 17 games, (including a stretch of 6/7 against the Rays, Mets, and Orioles) from May 7th through May 26th that year.

  13. LarryM.,Fl. says:

    You answered your own question. There is nothing that can be done to light a fire under these guys. The team on paper is about as good as any team assembled but the ball bounces the wrong way and injuries mount to the wrong players. Gardner has been missed more than most people thought. Mo’s presence is missed. The closer who made things right most of the time. The teams mental outlook is shaken and only time and Gardner can get it right. There is no one in the minors who can replace anyone in the starting lineup. We are a few years away from this happening.

  14. David Ortizs Dealer says:

    How about buring the binder, and claiming Pineda was damaged and getting Montero back.

  15. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Holy trollbait, Batman.

    Mike, maybe if you’re this bent out of shape, we can try rescuing Ben from the subway/GoogaMooga for a while to write the threads? This isn’t helpful.

    This isn’t the early 1990′s. Some of you may have heard this before, but I was there, and this ain’t it. I don’t see Wade Taylor, Tim Leary, or Oscar Azocar anywhere. This team has gone through bad stretches in the 19 years that it’s been practically a given that they’re going to the playoffs. I know adversity is new for some, but thank your lucky goddamn stars the worst hasn’t been bad at all for almost two decades. When others say you’ve been spoiled, oh hell yeah, you’ve been spoiled. You’ve had peanut butter rubbed on your ass for 19 years now, flapjack.

    Yes, there are problems. Yes, they are not easily fixable. Yes, it’s possible that this season will not look like the past 19 before it where, even in both seasons where there was no postseason action, one was because of a work stoppage and the other had the team in it until the very end. It’s also possible that this team goes on a winning streak that makes this a thing of the past…..just like all those other seasons in the past 19 years, when everyone looked old when the team was losing (know who I got that line from? Mike Axisa!), and everyone thought the world was going to end. I’m open to the former, but the latter is still more possible. This is coming from someone who turned off the game a lot earlier than some of you probably did (it was a 3 RISP inning…just too much) and wants to punch Hikori straight in his Kurodas.

    This is the third time I’ve said this today, but I think we’re close to the moment where people in this organization begin to have the kind of “what can we do” conversations which end up in Brian Cashman flying to Tampa and, I don’t know, giving Gene Michael a nice foot massage. Perhaps the conclusion they come to is that it’s not as easy this time, there’s not that trade out there, and the best young hopes are a couple of years away. I’ll still be here, and I’ll be grateful for the last 19 years.

    Am I angry and pissed and all that? Sure. Never once has it seemed useful to me to vomit that all over anyone on here. It makes the losing much easier when you proscrastinate with other Yankee fans and make jokes about getting fucked the magical stick and popping cherries and all that.

    • Erica says:

      You are the voice of reason. Please be a contributing writer here. I WILL VOTE FOR YOU.

    • mike says:

      I was there too….and the re are two major differences between now and then

      the Yanks had no payroll costraints imposed upon them by MLB, and could throw money at anyone and everyone. It didnt mean they always made a good call, but they could cover their misstakes without a Luxury Tax or a potential austerity plan looming.

      additionally, their farm system consistantly produced usable players, and the foundation was being set for the future at that time. Many prospects came up with a ton of fanfare and limited success (militello, Taylor, Stanky, Pat Kelly, Kamineki, G. Williams, Maas, BamBam), but there were many more to come.

      So the biggest weapon ($$) has been taken away, and their ability to replenish the roster is absent as well.

      There is no doubt the ML roster is strong, and i frankly believe the Yanks will make the playoffs, but the fault of the current inflexability is due to management decisions.

      To not criticize cashman is to approve of the current situation

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        I’ll bite.

        Luxury tax: Correct. They can’t spend their way out of a problem as easily. They’ll have to be more creative. These are the brightest baseball minds in the world.

        Farm system: We know why this is happening. I don’t understand why we continue to point fingers here if we all know how we got here. The team has some real great prospects in the lower levels. I’ll assume you don’t need a history lesson to recap where the prospects in the upper levels went. Some are with the big team. Some were used in trades which resulted in a mix of working/notworkingoutthusfar. Some didn’t happen.

        The farm system produced some of those players in the 90′s, by the way, because the team was sucking at a level that would have half these commenters in the fetal position for weeks on end. Derek Jeter wasn’t some fifth round pick that panned out. The others emerged from the same type of pack our players do now (feel free to fact-check on me that. honest.)

        I can lay some of this on Cashman, but I’m not resting anything solely on his shoulders. It’s Cashman. It’s the players. It’s luck. It’s also the price to pay for riding the past 19 years.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        The $189 million plan doesn’t take effect until 2014. It’s still 2012. The Yankees can go out and get a half year or 1.5 year rental right now if they feel like it. They already spend WAY, WAY more than other teams, and they can keep spending if they feel like it. I disagree completely that money is still not a weapon and that they’re not using it as we speak.

        There are still players coming up through the farm. Just this season Phelps has come up. There isn’t room for guys like that in the rotation anymore… because they’re actually good now unlike the early ’90s. Bad teams have more room for mediocre prospects by nature.

    • Pat D says:

      Oscar Azocar is dead, man.

      • Darren says:

        Damn, I kind of wish you didn’t remind me. I loved Oscar, #17. Just about the freeswingingest free swinger ever.

        You can take your Boggsian patience, I love me some silly hackers.

        RIP Oscar

    • RI$P FTW says:

      Don’t you get it? RAB LOVES trolls!
      More trolls = more page visits, comments, etc… = more money

      • Rainbow Connection (futurely Dummies Playing With Balls) says:

        i feel very sorry for the RABbis if theyre running this site for the money….

    • Cuso says:

      I’ve been watching for just as long. Growing up all I knew were losing-Yankee teams. When the hip thing was to be a Mets fan or Sox fan in my neighborhood, I like the “losers.”

      And, I too, have come to be fed up with some fans who jump on the wagon a little later. My cousin, for example “became” a Yankee fan in “1996″ even though he’s two years older and I had been watching faithfully for 13 longer at the point he hitched on.

      I get it. We should enjoy the run that we’ve had.

      However, I still want the right to be pissed off at how this team is performing. I still want the right to hold “superstars” accountable for being seemingly inept at times.

      I know they’re human beings. They just happen to be extremely well-paid human beings. And if the Steinbrenner family has made it so that the fans should “expect excellence” and that they’re going to pay top dollar to get “excellent players,” well shit. I don’t think anyone should be taken to task for venting at how they feel about their team.

      It’s simple. The guys on the field deserve to be booed right now. Later this year, it’s very likely they’ll deserve to get cheered. Right now, they need to bend over and take it from the fans.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        For the record, I have zero issue with people booing the living bejesus out of the team right now. Seriously. I hope they hear it loud and clear.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      This team isn’t bad like the Astros, but it’s not really looking like a traditional Yankee powerhouse with an elite line up and serviceable rotation. They are looking old, and one of these seasons they’re going to be old. They always look old when they’re losing, yes that’s true…but eventually they will be old. A-Rod’s 36, Teixeira is only 32 but his career path hasn’t shaken out the way you’d expect, he’s gone downhill fast, Jeter while kicking ass is 37, Pettitte’s what? 39?

  16. V says:

    I decided to dig through the archives of May 2008 to see what we were saying then, found this, heh:
    “the primo pitching matchups to look out for on Day One are Aaron Crowe (Missouri) vs. Lance Lynn (Ole Miss), and Brian Matusz (San Diego) vs Tyson Ross (Cal.)” (all four are now major league pitchers).

  17. jackstrawelf says:

    The roster is fine, these guys have no motivation or hunger, everything is hunky dory and the coaching staff seems carefree about the whole thing. Where is the Kevin Long criticism??? He gets all the publicity when they hit, he should get it when they dont hit. Paulino??? 200 million payroll. I was at opening day in Tampa and the Yanks could have won both of the first two games if Girardi wasnt flat out managed. Joe Madden had a different shift on every play that the Yankees hit right into. Was really a sight to see, Joe shifts are always wrong, KC did it last night to them. Either Joe really sucks or the Yankees should do away with all their scouts. At least the teams in the 90s that sucked didnt have 200 million dollar payrolls, this is pathetic, if you cant shake up the roster, shake up the stale coaching. I would take Tony Pena running this team over Joe any day. Kevin Long is horrible!!!

    • pat says:

      Personally I’m glad the players and coaching staff think everything is hunky dory. The season is almost exactly a quarter of the way over and they’re 5.5 games out of first place. Every single year they go through a stretch where the starting pitching sucks, the hitting with RISP sucks, the management sucks, Mariano sucks, Jeter sucks, the weather sucks, our luck sucks, their effort sucks, everything just sucks. Then, every year they go on a tear and everything clicks and we all internet hi-five each other and come up with stupid jokes and make fun of Duh Innings and that time Pete Abraham tried to infiltrate NoMass as “Interested Reader”. Then we make it to the playoffs where we’ll likely lose and everyone will be blaming Cashman for only making a team good enough to get to the playoffs, but not actually win the World Series.

    • nsalem says:

      I was extremely impressed by the way Madden managed his defense in the first two games of the season. The alignments were absolutely incredible. How can you blame this on Girardi though? Please don’t solely bring up the IBB in the first inning. Pena is weak against lefties and it was CC who threw the pitch.

      • nsalem says:


      • pat says:

        The next time we played the Rays did those same shifts work again? I distinctly remember they didn’t, but nobody says anything when that’s the case.

        • The Irony Guy says:

          I guess all talk of sample size or actual research goes out the window when a non-Yankee gets praise.

          • Ted Nelson says:

            There was no actual research or talk of sample size in either direction…

            The sample size was two games for praising Maddon.

          • Havok9120 says:

            What does this even MEAN? There was nothing but anecdotal evidence either way, and almost everyone on both sides admitted this before the debate began.

        • Midland TX says:

          Anecdotally, I remember a couple to a few more homers hit over the shift (and everything else).

    • Ted Nelson says:

      You know that Paulino has an ERA in the low 1s and a FIP in the low 2s this season, right? He’s killed everyone.

      Hitting into shifts can be superior managing, but over one or two games or even 10 games… it can also be pure luck. Your confirmation bias as a frustrated Yankees fan probably doesn’t help either.

      How do you have any idea what Long does?

      • Cuso says:

        You’re right that CC did throw the pitch. You’re probably right the the idea that Girardi was out-managed was entirely overblown.

        …I did kinda think, though, that intentionally walking a guy in the first inning of the first game of the season with the ace of your pitching staff could be fairly construed as over-managing. i mean, that’s just playing scared or playing dumb.

      • Cuso says:

        Paulino hasn’t exactly killed everyone. He’s killed the Yankees twice.

        He had a good start against Baltimore.

        And he got smacked around hard by the White Sox.

        He’s only had 4 starts.

    • Cris Pengiucci says:

      “these guys have no motivation or hunger”

      I highly doubt that. These guys made it to the MLB and in some cases have become elite, HoF caliber players due to their desire, hunger and work ethic. That doesn’t die out because they have big contracts. The effort, work and motivation it takes to just become a MLB player is something most of us will never know, unless you are among the top few hundred in your profession.

      I don’t think it’s motivation. It may be due to age, bad luck or some other factor. I certainly don’t know what it is nor would I guess. However, in a lot of cases like this, a “fall-guy” is identified. If Yankee management chooses to go down that path, I do think it will be Long or Girardi that is let go. Not saying I agree with that, but I could see it happening this season if things don’t turn around.

      • Havok9120 says:

        I mean, didn’t this same group of guys, more or less, win the World Series after they got their big contracts?

  18. willx says:

    At least we will get a great pick this year.

  19. nsalem says:

    17-17 May 14 2009 The first half of 2007 was terrible and the team looked old and listless we were 40-42 on July 4 2007. I’m not worried yet The time to worry is when we are healthy and playing like this. The one condition that does exist that does scare me is that there seems to be no weak teams in this division which wasn’t the case in those other years. We’ll see. Mike is 100% correct in saying that there is absolutely no flexibility whatsoever and anymore injuries to key players could spell disaster.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Thank you. Some perspective.

      I disagree that there’s no flexibility. Gardner will be back. Mustelier could come up. Trades can be made. When there are guys like Nix, Stewart, Eppley… on your roster… you can definitely make some changes.

      • Pat D says:

        Yea, but those three guys are like the 21st, 22nd and 24th most important guys on the roster. While they can be replaced, they’re not the keys to the roster.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          If they’re replaced with better guys, they can take a bigger role.

          I’m not saying get a slightly better Nix… but get a guy who can take the super-utility role Nunez was supposed to play (Mustlier might be the guy outside SS).
          Replace Eppley with a better reliever who can take higher leverage innings.
          Get a platoon starting C to replace Stewart.

          I don’t know who the replacement guys are (some of it will work itself out with Gardner, Robertson, Joba, Aardsma coming back), but there is flexibility when you have that kind of crud on your roster.

      • nsalem says:

        Ted I meant no flexibility in the sense that it would be difficult to change our starting line-up besides possibly our catcher. You are right though in saying that changes can be made.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          I think that if the right guys are on the bench they can play their way into the starting line-up. Especially with the rotating DH. They might not become a full-time starter, but I think that they can get the PAs to make a difference.

          • Cris Pengiucci says:

            You are correct to an extent. Could the right guy push Martin to more of a platoon role? I can see that happening. However, I don’t see anyone moving Teix to that kind of role. It’s theoretically possible and might even help the team. Just not sure that it will happen based on the contract realities.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              Until Gardner comes back it could replace Wise or Ibanez defensively.

              I don’t know that you want to replace Tex long-term, though. It’s a slump, that happens to be tied in with a respiratory infection. I don’t think that he suddenly declined this much early in his 30s.

              Same with the rest of the roster… who else needs to be replaced over a season? Cano, Jeter, A-Rod, Granderson, Swisher, Gardner… over the course of a season there aren’t many guys I’d take over them, and I doubt any I would are available.

              I think that it’s mostly a matter of patience. The offense still has the 3rd highest wOBA in baseball on the season. The rotation is more of a problem to me than the line-up.

    • Kosmo says:

      I disagree with “no weak teams in this division“ part. All the current AL East teams are flawed and a matter of a fact I don´t see very many teams all around MLB that are great with the exception of Texas. Baltimore does not have a postseason SP staff, their hitting is good but not great. Toronto just rid themselves of Lind and their starting CF is a joke. They have good SP but a shitty BP. Boston fields probably the best starting lineup but they need 1 maybe 2 SP. Tampa has good SP, they get the most out of an anemic lineup. What´s Pena batting now ?
      I´m mystified why NY is playing so poorly but I´m willing to wait it out to mid-June before I start calling for heads.

      • nsalem says:

        Kosmo You are correct they are all flawed to the extent. I was saying that the Orioles and The Devil Rays of 2007 were weak high 60 win teams in 2007 and that is no longer the case. The Jays won 83 games in 2007 and also may fare better than that this year.

        • Cuso says:

          Yeah, but Baltimore, Toronto and Tampa Bay haven’t been tomato cans (for the Yankees, at least) in this division for a long time. The O’s may have been losing 90+ games, but they’ve still been playing us tough.

          I’m near positive that Toronto has won the season series with us 2-3 times over the last 5 years too.

          So while they’re improved teams, it’s not a big a deal as people are making it out to be.

        • Kosmo says:

          I would certainly agree the Jays are an up and coming team.

  20. x says:

    The doldrums coincided with losing Mariano. Coincidence?

    • Havok9120 says:


      Especially since I remember reading from many commenters that maybe Mo’s injury and announcement that he would come back would “snap us out” of our problems.

  21. Chip Off the Ol'Knoblauch says:

    Sorry everyone, it’s my fault. I’ve been bargaining with the sporting gods and trading for Devils’ wins. The Yanks will get back to their winning ways post-NHL playoffs.

  22. Ted Nelson says:

    Patience. They need to play better. Not to make changes just for the sake of it.

    Rather than guess at a general time the team played this poorly… why not take 10 minutes to research it? Is that really so hard?

  23. Mike S. says:

    One move they could consider would be releasing Andruw Jones and bring up Ronnier Mustelier to be the righty hitting OF, playing LF/RF. Other than that, …

    • Ted Nelson says:

      That’s the kind of reactionary move I don’t want to see. I do want to see Mustelier at some point, but I think releasing Jones after a small slump would be a mistake. It’s 32 May PAs he’s slumped in.

      A lot of people are suggesting long-term changes to deal with short-term problems.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      That’s the kind of reactionary move I don’t want to see. I do want to see Mustelier at some point, but I think releasing Jones after a small slump would be a mistake. It’s 32 May PAs he’s slumped in.

      A lot of people are suggesting long-term changes to deal with short-term problems.

    • Kosmo says:

      I would second that move only if Mustelier got ample playing time. Calling Mustelier up to sit on the bench doesn´t make any sense. Jones is imminently replacable. Mustelier is a contact hitter, Jones is not. Yanks need a spark right now, MAYBE Mustelier could help. NY has Mustelier playing all OF positions so something is up.

      • Ted Nelson says:

        Jones is one of the best reserve OFs in baseball the past two seasons, and he had a good April. It’s only May he’s struggled. Who cares if he’s a “contact hitter” or not?

  24. A.D. says:

    Really only thing they can do is bring up Mustelier, let him get some corner outfield time, which could allow them to play Siwsh more often at first and continue to sit Tex more often.

  25. Jimmy McNulty says:

    I don’t know what’s worse, the way the team’s playing or the homers saying THEY WERE (insert record here) AT THIS POINT AND THEY STILL MADE DA PLAYAUFS!!!!! The point isn’t that a team that’s .500 on May 22nd can’t make the playoffs, the point is that a team that’s this old and injured isn’t going to go very far if they do make the playoffs. The guys they’re paying to be the 3/4 hitters aren’t hitting very well at all, the positions where they’re supposed to be getting production from, and to boot four key players are on the DL. Add that all together and you’ve got a cluster fuck on your hand. Basically the only way that I see this team having a 95ish win season is if A-Rod, Swisher, and Teixeira go on a torrid June/July/August, Gardner and Robertson return quickly, and Granderson has a 2011 type season and Robinson Cano has a 2010 type season, when you’re banking on everything going right typically things tend to fall apart, unless you’re the Cardinals for some reason…then it’s apparently okay. A first round exit is looking optimistic at this point.

    • jsbrendog says:

      and when chien ming wang was sucking and everyone was injured in 09 everyone said the same thing. man, 2009 fucking sucked.

      • jsbrendog says:

        plus, if you let sports team being 5 gaes out of 1st place with over 100 games left to play get you that angry then, jesus fucking christ, get a hobby

        • Jimmy McNulty says:

          Honestly where do you place the odds for on winning the division? Winning the WC? Making it out of the first round?

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            We have no idea, Jimmy. You don’t. The rest of us don’t. Quit trying to find absolute answers to everything and maintain some curiosity. You’ll be better off for it.

            • Jimmy McNulty says:

              Well if the “THE YANKEES ARE FINISHING BEHIND THE ROYALS!!!!!!!” category and the “28 THIS YEAR!!!!!” category actually both thing the odds of advancing beyond the first series in the playoffs are only twenty-ish percent, everyone here’s actually on the same page…that’s all I’m wondering. I know no one knows the answer to this question, but everyone here has an opinion.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Yeah that’s a pretty dumb thing to say. Relying on a 29 year old Mark Teixeira that’s coming off a .358/.449/.632 season is a lot different than relying on a 32 year old one that’s coming off a .252/.353/.487 combined line over the past two years. The same thing goes for a 33 year old A-Rod that was coming off of a year where he lead the AL in Slugging the year before and had the best season of his career the year before that, and relying on a 36 year old A-Rod who didn’t play 100 games last year and only mustered a .276/.362/.461 year. In 2009 yeah Wang got hurt, but that was about it…Joba wasn’t great but other than that there weren’t too many injuries. Besides, they still had CC, AJ, and Pettitte in the rotation. Now they have CC and…hmmmm…they still have Andy Pettitte!!!! (who is now pushing 40 and didn’t throw a pitch last year) I love Jeter, but lets be honest, if he has a .300/.370/.440 line by the end of the season it’d be nothing short of a small miracle, in 2009 he had a .334/.406/.465 line…he’s not even touching that kind of OBP, especially considering he’s three years older and coming off of two years with a sub 100 OPS+.

        True they have Granderson and Cano now, they’re not getting production out of vets like Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui, like they did in 2009. This team largely still has plenty of the same pieces that they had in 2009: A-Rod, Teixeira, Sabathia, Jeter, Swisher, Cano, Gardner, and Pettitte. A lot of those big contributors were getting close to the end of the road in 2009 and are on borrowed time now anyways. Sure Cano’s fucking awesome, but can you really rely on him to replace 2009 Mark Teixeira’s production? Even if he does who’s going to replace 2009 Cano’s production? Curtis Granderson might be able to do it, okay that’s great! Now where are they going to do at DH, LF, 3B, and CA? In 2009 they had elite production at 1B, SS, 3B, CA, and very good production (if not elite) production at 2B, and well above average production at LF and DH. That leaves CF as the only position that’s lacking, and even then Melky wasn’t all that bad (better than Mark Teixeira currently) and Gardner had a good OBP with his stellar speed and defense.

        Again, no one’s saying that a team that’s struggling in late may can’t win a WS….I’m saying that THIS PARTICULAR TEAM who has several key aging cogs coming off lackluster seasons that show absolutely no signs of improving, along with several key players that are injured, and no signs of a shot in the arm coming probably isn’t going to do much in the playoffs, maybe not even make them. In 2009 they replaced Cody Fucking Ransom with Alex Rodriguez, an A-Rod that had a .405 wOBA over 125 games. Is someone going to come along and give this team 120 games of that kind of production? Am I missing something? Is Miguel Cabrera scheduled to play the last 100 games of the season with the Yankees? If that’s going to happen, by all means keep the faith, if not…come back to reality.

        • Reggie C. says:

          I think we’re on the same page here … Good post man.

        • RI$P FTW says:

          “they’re not getting production out of vets like Johnny Damon and Hideki Matsui, like they did in 2009.”


          • Jim Is Bored says:

            Shhhhhhhh don’t ruin the narrative.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            Okay, Raul Ibanez is replicating one of those guys’ production. You’re right, massive oversight by my part and something I was wrong on…but there was still vets I listed. Where’s the second one that’s hitting? Who’s replicating A-Rod and Teixeira’s 2009 production? What about Jorge’s?

        • Bubba says:

          A truly depressing but nonetheless true post.

          All the years of excellence need to be paid for. I have the sinking feeling the bill is coming due.

        • Cuso says:

          Mark Teixeira never hit .358. Stop it.

          • Jimmy McNulty says:

            My mistake…he was 29 coming off of a .308/.410/.552 line, the line I posted was his Anaheim line. Point still stands, that line is still worlds better than anything he’s done in the past two years and thus it’s reasonable to rely on a 29 year old coming off a year like that, a similar line the year before, and three pretty good ones before that to kick ass.

  26. Yeah, fire Cashman, because every player in the lineup has either a) contributed greatly to a championship b) been an MVP candidate, or c) is having a great season in 2012.

    What do you Cashman haters wish he would have done to strengthen the lineup THIS year? Not signed Raul Ibanez and stuck with Montero? You’re all crazy.

    • Tampa Yankee says:

      Outside of the 2003 Marlins, has any team that fired their manager and/or GM during the season went on to win it all? Not that I can recall so all this calling for heads to roll is just batshit crazy nonsense.

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      I don’t think you can put this on Cashman…he was shithammered by injuries and the lockerroom turned into a retirement home seemingly overnight. He got a rock out of this team within the last five years, and made the playoffs each of the last three seasons with this line up. He built a good team, but it came at the risk of something like this happening. I do think that the way his staff has dealt with pitching in the past needs to be dealt with, but I still want Cashman as the guy in charge. Definitely some of his staff needs to go and he needs some new guys below him, but I totally trust his ability to digest all of the information given to him, listen to everyone in the room, not let his ego get in the way, and I trust his baseball acumen. He needs a change of his staff behind him, but he’s still the guy I want at the helm.

  27. Call up Nunez! *ducks*

  28. Ethan says:

    One thing that this team could try is for Girardi to get tossed from a game. Go out of the dugout, argue some close call, put on a huge show and get thrown out.

    That might light a fire under the team, it might take some of the media focus off the offense and put it onto himself. Hell if nothing else it will give a good show for the fans. I really think this is a move Girardi should do, use it as a kind of tactic.

    • Kosmo says:

      maybe with a young team some form of managerial theatrics might work but with this team ?

      • Ethan says:

        Even if not it could make the media focus on the manager rather than the players. And if absolutely nothing else, the fans will like to see it and since they won’t be seeing anything from the players… why not?

    • DJ4K&Monterowasdinero says:

      Ethan-Billy Martin would have done that a week ago. Girardi rarely argues out on the field. He will only go out to protect his player from getting thrown out. It is just not in Joe’s nature.

    • Cuso says:

      Actually a bean-ball war is probably what they need.

      Or Benitez to unretire and face Tino.

  29. Steve says:

    I would like to see them call up Mustelier and Whelan, maybe Pearce. Other than that, not much can be done.

  30. x says:

    Hey! I just checked my calendar! It’s May 22nd!

  31. Kulish29 says:

    Screw Jesus. Ronnier Mustelier is our savior.

    Must or Bust!

  32. ADam says:

    There is nothing the Yanks can do about the real problem, — Tex and A-Rod.. Nothing, they are going to have to play them every day for the next 4-5 years whether they produce or not. Like Mike said, they made their bed with the contacts they handed out. They are going to have to deal with $50MM of dead weight for the foreseeable future.

    • Reggie C. says:

      I think by the start of the 2014 season, the salary obligations to both players total closer to 40 million. Maybe 42 million.

      Not trying to nitpick, but its money that Cashman could spend on a loogy or setup man.

  33. viridiana says:

    Don’t have time to read thru all these posts so forgive me if I am repeating what someone else has said. I just clicked on this post and was thinking as I waited that clearly this team needed a shake-up. And there it was — the headline about needed shake-up.

    I do think this lineup can be improved– though not overnite.
    Three guys who could help IMO– Gardner, Nunez and Mustelier. Obviously, they must wait for the first two to heal. But this is a team –as everyone but General Joe seems to realize — that deperately needs youth and speed. And those are probably two of the best base stealers and most distruptive forces in the game. And Nunez is a pretty good contact hitter. As is Mustelier. So add this threesome and you’ve added speed and contact hitting. I see little use for Nix or Wise (though I appreciate Wise’ defense). But there’s two guys who are instantly expendable. And I still think Garcia should be kept, if only to peddle at the deadline for a useful piece from some pitching-desperate team. This guy was very good last year. I am not prepared to write him off.

  34. Mberk15 says:

    It’s not happening this year, and it probably isn’t happening again in the A-Rod/Teixeira Era.

    But for argument’s sake:

    -Dump Garcia
    -Swisher moves to 2nd in the order, and either starts taking his walks or is traded for prospects.
    -Granderson cleanup (or 5th behind A-Rod if you want to break up lefties)
    -Jones needs more ABs. With the offense struggling like this, you can’t start DeWayne Wise. I mean, come on now.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      So what prospects are we going to get for Swisher? Everyone is overvaluing and hoarding prospects nowadays, I’d honestly, not being an ass, like to know what team would be willing to trade for him right now, and what kind of prospects would be involved, because I don’t see any.

      Agree that Jones needs to be in there more often.

  35. Dan the Man says:

    I love the Yankees, but there in deep trouble with an AL East with equivalent talent.
    The mere fact that the Yankees are struggling at home against mediocre talent like the Twins and royals should tell that there is a problem here.
    Can’t continue to rely on the home run.
    Lack of speed along with a steady hitter to either get things going, advance a runner(s) or drive in a run.
    Texiera with the cough should just be put on the DL until he can fully function. Call up Pearce. Call up Mustelier and either release or trade Freddy Garcia. Bench is thin and Garcia certainly isn’;t helping.
    I have abad feeling that this could be a fourth or last place team given the talent in the AL East this year.
    Bullpen injuries only compound the problem.

  36. gageagainstthemachine says:

    I would hope with a $200 million payroll, tons of All-Stars, WS rings galore and a recent one in memory…that waking up on May 22nd, seeing yourself in last place, reading the headlines, and being booed out of Yankee Stadium is all this team needs to “shake things up”. Otherwise, I fear I have to question the hearts, desire, and ability of so many players I’ve respected for years and come to respect as Yankees. It’s still early, but the way they are playing each passing day is becoming a “now or never” turn it around situation for this season. And if the above isn’t enough, phantom injury DL a bunch of them and let the damn AAA kids play. I’m sick of defending this team right now and knowing they’ll turn it around. Nothing they are doing is warranting such reasonable logic on my end. This as bad as they’ve been in a LOOOOONG time. I’m only 34 years old, but remembering those bad days seems like a century ago. Let’s go Yankees!!

  37. #28 in 2012 says:

    Has any team ever had a $22.5 million player batting 7th?

    Is this the sign of things to come? Tex batting 7th, Arod batting ?
    Losing sucks, but most of us here expected this at some point and here it is. I didnt expect to see the old dudes play like shit until 2014ish, but here is our sneak preview.
    Too much talent to count them off for 2012, but the future looks darker than I thought it would at this point.

    Here is to turning it around!!! A win tonight makes this losing streak a thing of the past.

  38. Jose M. Vazquez.. says:

    I have to agree with your view 100%. There are no Spencers, Duncans, Riveras or Monteros that could give us some boost or impulse at the moment. I believe that they will improve soon. No team can be as inept as this one for much longer. Here is hoping that things begin turning our way tonight. Now I know how Pirate and Cub fans feel.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Steve Pearce could be Shelley Duncan. Ronnnnie Mustellllier could be Shane Spencer. The kind of guys who could a quick sparkplug and fade away are the guys most likely to be sitting in AAA right now.

      Please let’s not start bellyaching over a lack of AAAA players, while saying our AAA team is only full of AAAA players at the same time.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Also, what Rivera? Ruben? Juan?

      This, by the way: not how a Pirate or Cub fan feels. That is another rock layer, my friend.

      • Jim Is Bored says:

        It’s that attitude that makes people hate Yankee fans(among other things). We won’t know how Cubs fans feel until at least 2112. Won’t know how Pirates fans feel until we have seasons equivalently bad or worse than this one for another 15 years.

        All we know is how Yankee fans feel.

        • #28 in 2012 says:

          among what other things?

          • Jim Is Bored says:

            That’s the part of my post you need cleared up? Do you really want me to list really obvious reasons people hate yankee fans?

            I didn’t think that was news to anyone, I thought we embraced it.

        • Jose M. Vazquez.. says:

          You are correct. I don’t know how a Cub or Pirate fan feels because they have been losing for many years. It is out of frustration that this came out.

      • Jose M. Vazquez.. says:

        Juan Rivera who is now with the Dodgers.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:


          I see what you mean, but getting worked up over not having these “temporary burst” kind of guy (of which I don’t lump Rivera in, FWIW) is silly. You remember Shelley Duncan’s antics and potential for moonshots. You don’t remember the big hole in his bat. There’s a reason why Jorge Vazquez (hmmm….) is back in Mexico.

          These kinds of guys are sitting at home waiting for a call, or only an org guy trade away.

          It’s not worth criticizing the franchise over, honestly.

  39. LiterallyFigurative says:

    Its the curse of AJ Burnett!

    I knew trading him was a mistake!

  40. Kosmo says:

    of course there is always the possibility at some point of a blockbuster trade going down.

  41. mike_h says:

    As far as shaking things up you can DL Tex and call up Pearce whos been raking in AAA, or call up Mustelier (in place of Nix) whos also been good.

    Everyone seems to forget that 6 game losing streak we went on in 2011 from May 11-16, or the 0-9 record vs the Red Sox before the All Star Break in 2009 or the 1-8 record vs the Red Sox before the All Star Break in 2011.

    Baseball is a game of endurance, lets see whos at the top at the end of game 162. DON’T COUNT OUT THE YANKEES

  42. rek4gehrig says:

    All I know is that triple A team could’ve gotten at least one run home with bases loaded and nobody out. Sigh!!!!

  43. MAS says:

    I agree with the article in terms of not having much options. I also think that what is happening is the reason why you did not trade Montero, and he should have been the everyday catcher, even with his supposedly limited defensive skills. Martin has not hit well for 3 years now and he should be in his prime. Montero would have given the lineup another dimension and we would have had a very good young slugger, that given the way the other players have hit could be up in the lineup right now. I do not know why the front office could not foresee this. Texeira has been awful the past two seasons, he is not a 22 million dollar guy on offense; Alex is past his prime and both Grandy and Swish are not 300 hitters. Cano will never have good discipline at the plate and sadly right now he is not good with runners on. So I don’t think this offense is going to be good unless Tex and Alex turn it around. They are the key, if they continue to be bad this is going to endure. I think eventually the starting pitchers are going to be better but this is a very different year than 2007. The O’s and Blue Jays are good, they are no longer punching bags. Tampa and Boston still have good rosters, so coming back to become a playoff team will be harder this time around. I know it is very early and it can sound foolish to give up, but you make projections on the basis of the competition you have ahead of you and frankly the Yankees with this roster and the frustration they are showing on a daily basis are not a better team than the rest of the A.L. East.

    • DJ4K&Monterowasdinero says:

      Agree with this and all the Montero bashers who cite his 2 month stats are missing the fact that he is a 22 year old cost controlled catcher with an elite bat and is adequate as a catcher-at least for 50 games a year for now. His offense would have risen as our veterans’ declined.

      The past-as in the AL east-is the past. Teams have gotten better with younger players and we, unfortunately, have not.

      • Jim Is Bored says:

        And Pineda is a still young fireballer with an entire year of great pitching under his belt who unfortunately has to miss ONE year because of surgery.

        There are bashers on both sides(pro and anti trade) are equally irrational.

  44. Mainer says:

    Soooooo tired of this……but I am a fanatic, I love baseball so I must endure.

    My two pennies: This team will get better but, IMO, not to the level of what Yankee fans expect out of their clubs. We have to hope that what is clearly old age and lack of endurance will morph into experience and pride to propel these guys into a winning summer. Just somehow, someway get in and then, as we saw last season, anything can happen.

    My only remark about the roster as far as moves go is instead of bringing up journey-men like Wise and Nix they can insert some of their own younger guys and see what happens.

  45. carlo425 says:

    Roster is only inflexible if you consider it to be. GS would not have made that an excuse.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Nah, he would have traded the farm for…..someone. Hamels? Kemp?

      Either way, it would have been the wrong move. As much as I love the guy, he was not smart in baseball.

  46. Freddy's Mom says:

    Just think: if they managed to win 30 of their next 45 they’d be on pace to win 100+. Righto.

    I am most concerned about the pitching, not the offense. Whats to be done about Kuroda? I had severe doubts about him to begin with. But now he’s in the rotation, I wonder if Rothchild can do anything with him? I’ve severe doubts about Rothchild as well! Maybe he should go? Anybody?

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