Jun
02

Report: Yanks talked trade for starting pitcher with Nats

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Via Josh Norris, the Yankees had talked with the Nationals about a trade involving one of Washington’s starting pitchers earlier this season. Eduardo Nunez, southpaw prospect Nik Turley, and an unnamed Low-A Charleston outfielder* were supposedly heading the nation’s capitol. Talks have cooled of late and nothing is imminent.

It stands to reason that Edwin Jackson was the subject of the trade talks. Stephen Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez, and Jordan Zimmerman are presumably off-limits and Ross Detwiler, Chien-Ming Wang, and John Lannan aren’t anything special. Certainly not guys you’d trade three young players for. Jackson signed a one-year contract with the Nats this offseason and can’t be traded until June 15th without his consent. It’s an interesting rumor, but Washington lives and dies with its starting pitching. It doesn’t appear that they’re getting enough of an offensive upgrade to dish one of their four best starters, even if he’s only signed through this season.

* I have to think it’s either Ben Gamel or Kelvin DeLeon. I can’t imagine either Mason Williams or Tyler Austin being including in a package like this unless one of Strasburg, Gio, and Zimmermann was on the table, and I find it very hard to believe they are.

56 Comments»

  1. YanksFan77 says:

    We could’ve had Edwin Jackson for just money in this offseason.

    Now we’re willing to give up Eduardo “the deal breaker” Nunez and an actual prospect for the privilege of paying the remainder of his 14 million for a year.

    Regardless if it’s a good trade or not, I don’t see how Cashman comes out looking good on this one.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      It’s simple, the rotation as of now has two useless starting pitchers, one inconsistent one and a 39 year old.

      If he can get anyone that can help that doesn’t cost a good prospect then it’s a decent trade. But apparently when teams look in deeper they understandably want no part in Nunez.

      To think we could have had Lee and none of this pitching struggles would happen.

    • Typical MIT Nerd says:

      They could have also had Johan Santana for just money too.

    • Mister D says:

      Because when you’ve filled your slots, your slots are filled. If an OF goes down and we trade for Josh Willingham, does the same logic get trotted out?

    • Steve (different one) says:

      I like how $11M turns into $14M when you are trying to pad your argument.

      This is just a rumor and we have no idea what the actual names were. We don’t even know it was Jackson.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      I would much rather Cashman makes decisions based on what he thinks is best for the team and not what he thinks will make previous decisions he can’t do anything about look bad.

      For all we know it might have been a Mason Williams + for Zimmerman deal that the Yankees turned down. It’s just a rumor.

    • wes hardison says:

      Cashman has not looked good on any trades lately,if he stays around the farm system will be depleted.LOOK WHO HE HAS TRADED AWAY,MELKY CABRERA,IAN KENNEDY,PHIL COKE,AUSTIN JACKSON,JOSE MONTERO,HECTOR NOESI,JOSE TABATA,AJ BURNETT,TYLER CLIPPARD,THE LIST GOES ON.SACK HIM BEFORE HE SINKS THE YANKS!

  2. Theonewhoknocks says:

    Yankees probably couldn’t have had e-Jax for one year 14m. He was asking for a 3-4 year deal, it was only after the yanks signed kuroda and other contenders got their arms did ejax run out of leverage and end up signing a 1 year deal. The yanks could have risked waiting him out but as long as the yanks were in the mix ejax would have had the leverage he needed in negotiations wih other clubs.

  3. MannyGeee says:

    Got to think it was Zimmerman or Gio. If the Yankees had interest in Jacksn, they probably would have saved the prospects and just signed him in the spring. I could see a Nunez/Austin/etc. for Zimmerman deal having been the move. Don’t blame the Nats for walking away though (or so I envision it in my mind)

    • MannyGeee says:

      In conclusion…. Hurray trade rumors! Come on July!!!

    • Theonewhoknocks says:

      Did you see what they gave up for Gio 2 months ago? It was a lot more than Nunez. Plus he’s signed to an affordable long term deal and currently pitching like the best pitcher in the league. Not a chance in the world it was for Gio.

      Zimmerman is slightly possible, but there’s no way they were discussing him unless the yanks were willin to give up a prime piece- not Nunez- maybe Gardner or mason Williams

    • Ted Nelson says:

      I definitely think it’s possible it was Zimmerman (and who knows who walked away if it was Mason for him), but things have changed since EJax was a FA so I wouldn’t rule it out. Pineda has gotten hurt. Hughes, Nova, and Kuroda have all struggled. DeLeon and Nunez aren’t much to give up really, so it would mostly be Turley. And since it’s a rumor, who knows who suggested it and who was willing to accept what terms. That might have been the Nationals’ opening offer.

  4. Theonewhoknocks says:

    Also, I’m fine with giving up that package for ejax. It was probably the nationals who pulled out of negotiations because Nunez wouldn’t be much of an upgrade over the production they are getting at 2B, SS, 3B or LF/RF. would it suck to lose Nunez after letting him prevent the cliff lee and other deals? Yes, but I think it’s ultimately a very reasonable price for a much needed dependable SP

    • Ted Nelson says:

      It wasn’t just Nunez. I would probably call Turley the centerpiece of the deal, if it was DeLeon or Gamel. Some people would probably take Gamel over Nunez as well. He might have been the 3rd piece in the deal.

      I could see the Nationals not being interested, but that’s also a lot for the Yankees to give up for a half-season rental they didn’t want to sign over Kuroda.

  5. Smart Guy says:

    i would have rather had ejacks + montero on the team but now to trade for him is useless , he doesnt put this team over the hump, rather give more prospects to get garza and extend him than trade for this schmuck

    • Mister D says:

      I’m a huge Garza the pitcher fan but I get the impression he’s a really annoying person. Might be best to keep him at (pitching!) arm’s length.

    • Steve (different one) says:

      I don’t think that is the right combination. Jackson would have taken the Kuroda spot, I’m not sure they would have not traded for Pineda anyway.

      Maybe if Pettitte made up him mind a little earlier they roll the dice with Pettitte and Jackson, but maybe not.

  6. Theonewhoknocks says:

    Also, I’m fine with giving up that package for ejax. It was probably the nationals who pulled out of negotiations because Nunez wouldn’t be much of an upgrade over the production they are getting at 2B, SS, 3B or LF/RF. would it suck to lose Nunez after letting him prevent the cliff lee and other deals? Yes, but I think it’s ultimately a very reasonable price for a much needed dependable SP.

  7. Rich in NJ says:

    No more trades for starting pitchers.

    • Kevin Winters says:

      You know it’s going to happen sooner or later. Cashman believes pitching is the keys to the kingdom.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:

        Oh he has a valid reason to do it but if he’s trading major pieces then make fucking sure the guy you get is a good bet to you know pitch more than 2 spring training games.

        But it’s Eduardo Nunez. Having him away from the team is a WAR point on its own.

        • Kevin Winters says:

          But it’s Eduardo Nunez. Having him away from the team is a WAR point on its own.

          —————————-

          Lol hilarious

  8. viridiana says:

    Yankees seem to have done 180 degree turn in terms of trusting “internal” options. No need to go chasing run of the mill veterans now. Phelps should be first in line if spot opens. Then either Mitchell or Banuelos, if he’s healthy. Along these lines, would also rather see Mustelier and Nunez on this team than Wise and Nix and Eppley. Really getting tired of Cashman’s dumpster dives. It’s one thing to sign guys who were once good — Chavez, Corey wade. It’s another to load up on the Eppleys and Nixes (and three or four guys in AAA whose names I can’t even recall) who were never good.

    • Kevin Winters says:

      Yankees seem to have done 180 degree turn in terms of trusting “internal” options.

      ———————-

      That’s because Cashman always talks a good game. Every single yr and then the off season comes and he’s looking under every rock for pitching lol.

      • Smart Guy says:

        Fire Cashman

        • Kevin Winters says:

          Maybe?

          He has been in the position longer than anyone thought he would.

          • Smart Guy says:

            i used to think he had a plan, that he was gonna try to get younger from within without going into rebuilding mode, that it was going to take time but all Ive seen is a build up of prospects to only trade them away and give up on those you do promote from within

            • Kevin Winters says:

              I was a strong supporter of his yrs ago but over the yrs my support has been less and less. He’s not suppose to be perfect because no one can be but every yr it’s the same thing begging and searching for pitching. When he took control 6-7 yrs ago I’m he thought things would be further along than they are right now.

    • Steve (different one) says:

      Jason Nix has done a pretty good job. Why would it bother you that a prospect isn’t being used as the utility man? Give me a break, it’s a ridiculous thing to bit about. It’s not like Nunez, the internal option, wasn’t given a million chances.

      Cashman has been VERY successful “dumpster diving”. Wade, Thames, Colon, Chavez, Jones, Ibanez, etc.

      He is helping the team immensely with these moves, is there any reason besides prospect hugging to object to picking up productive players for little to no cost?? And why on earth would it bother you that there are vets in AAA? Every team in baseball does this. Absurd.

    • Steve (different one) says:

      Also, you realize they may be exploring trades because the two “internal” guys they gave rotation spots to have been awful? And that Wise is on the because his internal LFer hurt his elbow on a fluke play? And Nix is up because his internal UTI developed Steve blass disease? Nova has been awful, but can you imagine if they didn’t give him a spot out of ST? There are legitimate things to blame Cashman for, but he’s kindof damned if you do, damned if you don’t when it comes to trying to compete every year and satisfy the part of the fanbase that only wants to watch farmhands.

  9. Voice of Reason says:

    Why would the Nationals want to trade any of their starters? That doesn’t make any sense.

    • Smart Guy says:

      because they have a lot of them

      • Voice of Reason says:

        Do they? Lannan is a hack and pitching poorly in AAA, they just demoted Detwiler in favor of Wang for some reason, but dealing him would be pretty silly, and obviously they’d be downgrading their rotation significantly by trading Jackson.

      • Voice of Reason says:

        Do they? Lannan is a hack and is pitching poorly in AAA, they just demoted Detwiler in favor of Wang for some reason, but dealing him now would be foolish, and dealing Jackson would mean a significant downgrade.

      • RI$P FTW says:

        So did the Yanks. Look how that worked out.

    • KennyH123 says:

      Which is why it didn’t happen.

      • Voice of Reason says:

        Is it? A trade can not happen for a lot of reasons. I’m wondering why a trade that makes no sense whatsoever would be discussed in the first place. If there was any talk, I doubt it was serious.

  10. DM says:

    I think the demotion of Nunez to play SS every day at AAA — rather than being a super-sub there — hinted at him being traded. I could see Cashman being interested in Detwiler — or even Lannan. But if you read that Norris article closely, there’s a lot of that hot stove style speculation about players. There’s too many “could be” lines involving players; the only “would be” piece is Nunez. And the “big” trade may not have anything to do with the Yankees.

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