Jun
02

Report: Yanks talked trade for starting pitcher with Nats

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Via Josh Norris, the Yankees had talked with the Nationals about a trade involving one of Washington’s starting pitchers earlier this season. Eduardo Nunez, southpaw prospect Nik Turley, and an unnamed Low-A Charleston outfielder* were supposedly heading the nation’s capitol. Talks have cooled of late and nothing is imminent.

It stands to reason that Edwin Jackson was the subject of the trade talks. Stephen Strasburg, Gio Gonzalez, and Jordan Zimmerman are presumably off-limits and Ross Detwiler, Chien-Ming Wang, and John Lannan aren’t anything special. Certainly not guys you’d trade three young players for. Jackson signed a one-year contract with the Nats this offseason and can’t be traded until June 15th without his consent. It’s an interesting rumor, but Washington lives and dies with its starting pitching. It doesn’t appear that they’re getting enough of an offensive upgrade to dish one of their four best starters, even if he’s only signed through this season.

* I have to think it’s either Ben Gamel or Kelvin DeLeon. I can’t imagine either Mason Williams or Tyler Austin being including in a package like this unless one of Strasburg, Gio, and Zimmermann was on the table, and I find it very hard to believe they are.

  • YanksFan77

    We could’ve had Edwin Jackson for just money in this offseason.

    Now we’re willing to give up Eduardo “the deal breaker” Nunez and an actual prospect for the privilege of paying the remainder of his 14 million for a year.

    Regardless if it’s a good trade or not, I don’t see how Cashman comes out looking good on this one.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      It’s simple, the rotation as of now has two useless starting pitchers, one inconsistent one and a 39 year old.

      If he can get anyone that can help that doesn’t cost a good prospect then it’s a decent trade. But apparently when teams look in deeper they understandably want no part in Nunez.

      To think we could have had Lee and none of this pitching struggles would happen.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Does Cliff Lee cover four rotation spots? People would still be bitching about the number three starter if they had him. People just like to complain.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Cliff Lee is actually half-spider. He just hides the other six arms well.

          • CW

            We so don’t know if Lee would have re-signed with the Yankees.

        • _NYD_

          Mike: I could not agree more. It amazes me how people are always looking to find something to complain about. Can’t people just be grateful for having a team contending for a world series title every year? When did this become so not good enough??

        • JU

          Mike, why even respond to nonsense like that.

      • Ted Nelson

        Somehow you know Nunez was the deal breaker for the other team?

    • Typical MIT Nerd

      They could have also had Johan Santana for just money too.

      • http://bloodfarm.tumblr.com mattdamonwayans

        When?

        • Mister D

          ’95 when he was an amateur free agent. WAY TO SUCK, CASHMAN!!!

    • Mister D

      Because when you’ve filled your slots, your slots are filled. If an OF goes down and we trade for Josh Willingham, does the same logic get trotted out?

    • Steve (different one)

      I like how $11M turns into $14M when you are trying to pad your argument.

      This is just a rumor and we have no idea what the actual names were. We don’t even know it was Jackson.

    • Ted Nelson

      I would much rather Cashman makes decisions based on what he thinks is best for the team and not what he thinks will make previous decisions he can’t do anything about look bad.

      For all we know it might have been a Mason Williams + for Zimmerman deal that the Yankees turned down. It’s just a rumor.

    • wes hardison

      Cashman has not looked good on any trades lately,if he stays around the farm system will be depleted.LOOK WHO HE HAS TRADED AWAY,MELKY CABRERA,IAN KENNEDY,PHIL COKE,AUSTIN JACKSON,JOSE MONTERO,HECTOR NOESI,JOSE TABATA,AJ BURNETT,TYLER CLIPPARD,THE LIST GOES ON.SACK HIM BEFORE HE SINKS THE YANKS!

      • TCMiller30

        I still can’t believe we traded Jose Montero!!

  • Theonewhoknocks

    Yankees probably couldn’t have had e-Jax for one year 14m. He was asking for a 3-4 year deal, it was only after the yanks signed kuroda and other contenders got their arms did ejax run out of leverage and end up signing a 1 year deal. The yanks could have risked waiting him out but as long as the yanks were in the mix ejax would have had the leverage he needed in negotiations wih other clubs.

    • Ted Nelson

      Didn’t really need him with Pineda and Kuroda, plus the expectation Nova would not stink.

  • MannyGeee

    Got to think it was Zimmerman or Gio. If the Yankees had interest in Jacksn, they probably would have saved the prospects and just signed him in the spring. I could see a Nunez/Austin/etc. for Zimmerman deal having been the move. Don’t blame the Nats for walking away though (or so I envision it in my mind)

    • MannyGeee

      In conclusion…. Hurray trade rumors! Come on July!!!

      • Pounder

        Would Yanks consider Pavano?

    • Theonewhoknocks

      Did you see what they gave up for Gio 2 months ago? It was a lot more than Nunez. Plus he’s signed to an affordable long term deal and currently pitching like the best pitcher in the league. Not a chance in the world it was for Gio.

      Zimmerman is slightly possible, but there’s no way they were discussing him unless the yanks were willin to give up a prime piece- not Nunez- maybe Gardner or mason Williams

      • Ted Nelson

        Mason Williams is literally a Charleston OF… so is Tyler Austin.

    • Ted Nelson

      I definitely think it’s possible it was Zimmerman (and who knows who walked away if it was Mason for him), but things have changed since EJax was a FA so I wouldn’t rule it out. Pineda has gotten hurt. Hughes, Nova, and Kuroda have all struggled. DeLeon and Nunez aren’t much to give up really, so it would mostly be Turley. And since it’s a rumor, who knows who suggested it and who was willing to accept what terms. That might have been the Nationals’ opening offer.

  • Theonewhoknocks

    Also, I’m fine with giving up that package for ejax. It was probably the nationals who pulled out of negotiations because Nunez wouldn’t be much of an upgrade over the production they are getting at 2B, SS, 3B or LF/RF. would it suck to lose Nunez after letting him prevent the cliff lee and other deals? Yes, but I think it’s ultimately a very reasonable price for a much needed dependable SP

    • Ted Nelson

      It wasn’t just Nunez. I would probably call Turley the centerpiece of the deal, if it was DeLeon or Gamel. Some people would probably take Gamel over Nunez as well. He might have been the 3rd piece in the deal.

      I could see the Nationals not being interested, but that’s also a lot for the Yankees to give up for a half-season rental they didn’t want to sign over Kuroda.

  • Smart Guy

    i would have rather had ejacks + montero on the team but now to trade for him is useless , he doesnt put this team over the hump, rather give more prospects to get garza and extend him than trade for this schmuck

    • Mister D

      I’m a huge Garza the pitcher fan but I get the impression he’s a really annoying person. Might be best to keep him at (pitching!) arm’s length.

    • Steve (different one)

      I don’t think that is the right combination. Jackson would have taken the Kuroda spot, I’m not sure they would have not traded for Pineda anyway.

      Maybe if Pettitte made up him mind a little earlier they roll the dice with Pettitte and Jackson, but maybe not.

  • Theonewhoknocks

    Also, I’m fine with giving up that package for ejax. It was probably the nationals who pulled out of negotiations because Nunez wouldn’t be much of an upgrade over the production they are getting at 2B, SS, 3B or LF/RF. would it suck to lose Nunez after letting him prevent the cliff lee and other deals? Yes, but I think it’s ultimately a very reasonable price for a much needed dependable SP.

  • Rich in NJ

    No more trades for starting pitchers.

    • Kevin Winters

      You know it’s going to happen sooner or later. Cashman believes pitching is the keys to the kingdom.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Oh he has a valid reason to do it but if he’s trading major pieces then make fucking sure the guy you get is a good bet to you know pitch more than 2 spring training games.

        But it’s Eduardo Nunez. Having him away from the team is a WAR point on its own.

        • Kevin Winters

          But it’s Eduardo Nunez. Having him away from the team is a WAR point on its own.

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          Lol hilarious

  • viridiana

    Yankees seem to have done 180 degree turn in terms of trusting “internal” options. No need to go chasing run of the mill veterans now. Phelps should be first in line if spot opens. Then either Mitchell or Banuelos, if he’s healthy. Along these lines, would also rather see Mustelier and Nunez on this team than Wise and Nix and Eppley. Really getting tired of Cashman’s dumpster dives. It’s one thing to sign guys who were once good — Chavez, Corey wade. It’s another to load up on the Eppleys and Nixes (and three or four guys in AAA whose names I can’t even recall) who were never good.

    • Kevin Winters

      Yankees seem to have done 180 degree turn in terms of trusting “internal” options.

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      That’s because Cashman always talks a good game. Every single yr and then the off season comes and he’s looking under every rock for pitching lol.

      • Smart Guy

        Fire Cashman

        • Kevin Winters

          Maybe?

          He has been in the position longer than anyone thought he would.

          • Smart Guy

            i used to think he had a plan, that he was gonna try to get younger from within without going into rebuilding mode, that it was going to take time but all Ive seen is a build up of prospects to only trade them away and give up on those you do promote from within

            • Kevin Winters

              I was a strong supporter of his yrs ago but over the yrs my support has been less and less. He’s not suppose to be perfect because no one can be but every yr it’s the same thing begging and searching for pitching. When he took control 6-7 yrs ago I’m he thought things would be further along than they are right now.

              • Kevin Winters

                I”m sure*

              • Mister D

                Its because pretty much every team in baseball is begging and searching for pitching.

    • Steve (different one)

      Jason Nix has done a pretty good job. Why would it bother you that a prospect isn’t being used as the utility man? Give me a break, it’s a ridiculous thing to bit about. It’s not like Nunez, the internal option, wasn’t given a million chances.

      Cashman has been VERY successful “dumpster diving”. Wade, Thames, Colon, Chavez, Jones, Ibanez, etc.

      He is helping the team immensely with these moves, is there any reason besides prospect hugging to object to picking up productive players for little to no cost?? And why on earth would it bother you that there are vets in AAA? Every team in baseball does this. Absurd.

    • Steve (different one)

      Also, you realize they may be exploring trades because the two “internal” guys they gave rotation spots to have been awful? And that Wise is on the because his internal LFer hurt his elbow on a fluke play? And Nix is up because his internal UTI developed Steve blass disease? Nova has been awful, but can you imagine if they didn’t give him a spot out of ST? There are legitimate things to blame Cashman for, but he’s kindof damned if you do, damned if you don’t when it comes to trying to compete every year and satisfy the part of the fanbase that only wants to watch farmhands.

  • Voice of Reason

    Why would the Nationals want to trade any of their starters? That doesn’t make any sense.

    • Smart Guy

      because they have a lot of them

      • Voice of Reason

        Do they? Lannan is a hack and pitching poorly in AAA, they just demoted Detwiler in favor of Wang for some reason, but dealing him would be pretty silly, and obviously they’d be downgrading their rotation significantly by trading Jackson.

      • Voice of Reason

        Do they? Lannan is a hack and is pitching poorly in AAA, they just demoted Detwiler in favor of Wang for some reason, but dealing him now would be foolish, and dealing Jackson would mean a significant downgrade.

        • Tyrone Sharpton

          Really?

          • Tyrone Sharpton

            Really. Hooray for duplicate comments.

          • Voice of Reason

            I posted, it claimed I’d double posted. The post wasn’t shown when refreshed, so I re-posted. What a fucking disaster. All is lost.

        • dc1874

          Lannan is from New York..I think coming back home would get him goin again!!

      • RI$P FTW

        So did the Yanks. Look how that worked out.

    • KennyH123

      Which is why it didn’t happen.

      • Voice of Reason

        Is it? A trade can not happen for a lot of reasons. I’m wondering why a trade that makes no sense whatsoever would be discussed in the first place. If there was any talk, I doubt it was serious.

  • DM

    I think the demotion of Nunez to play SS every day at AAA — rather than being a super-sub there — hinted at him being traded. I could see Cashman being interested in Detwiler — or even Lannan. But if you read that Norris article closely, there’s a lot of that hot stove style speculation about players. There’s too many “could be” lines involving players; the only “would be” piece is Nunez. And the “big” trade may not have anything to do with the Yankees.