Game 87: No Sweat
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The first game back from the All-Star break is out of the way, so now it’s time to get back in the regular ol’ day-to-day routine of baseball. Freddy Garcia gets the ball after throwing a gem in Fenway Park last weekend, a performance that all but locked up his spot in the rotation as Andy Pettitte‘s temporary replacement. Here’s the starting nine…
SS Derek Jeter
CF Curtis Granderson
DH Alex Rodriguez
2B Robinson Cano
1B Mark Teixeira
RF Nick Swisher
LF Raul Ibanez
3B Eric Chavez
C Chris Stewart
RHP Freddy Garcia
This afternoon’s game starts a little after 1pm ET and can be seen on YES. Enjoy.
Ty Hensley News: Hensley, the team’s first round pick who signed for $1.2M two days ago, is in New York to hang around the team and catch some games over the weekend. Pretty standard treatment. Hopefully YES will interview him or something.
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If i’m trout im gonna steal every time i reach base. decent chance stewart throws it into the outfield and as last night shows anything close and he is gonna get the call
I think he would have done that anyway.
yeah i think that he gets the benefit of the doubt call every time
Yankees = victims
We sweat today, we win today!
I’m sorry but Michael Kay looks way too happy in this pre-game photo
https://p.twimg.com/Axx2TffCIAAcG88.jpg
Paul and Kay seem jovial. Cone looks a bit sneaky.
I know the game hasn’t actually started yet, but I don’t like the “This game will begin shortly” screen on mlb.tv after last night.
I know lineup optimization doesn’t matter that much, but continuing to bat A-Rod 3 or 4 really rubs me the wrong way.
Again, if Cano bats ahead of him, Cano wont get any pitches to hit.
It’s still not the biggest of deals, but for arguments sake roided up Bonds>>>Cano, and no matter who was hitting behind him he still got pitches to hit.
True but he does have the all time walks record as well
Like Andrew McCutchen in Pittsburgh.
lets go freddy!
Trout leads the game off with a double
Indeed
the angels are so lucky, he is just unbelievable, a single is as good as a double with him
Well this is going to be a slugfest
Angels put up at least 4 here
Ball must not be carrying
Premature uh-oh? Yeah, Kay, because you never prematurely judge fly balls..
Sterling had that ball on its way to Paris
Bad play by Ibanez, gotta keep the DP in order.
I know Alex is nothing compared to his former self, but looking at Albert’s numbers this season…it’s going to be a long 10 years for LA.
Indeed.
You can tell Freddy’s up early
Freddy just hit 88mph. We’re just popped in on the Enchantment Under the Sea dance
Speaking of the BTTF series:
http://www.google.com/imgres?q.....0,s:0,i:76
WTG, Fred. One more.
Trout may steal home
trumbo scares me here
no reason to give him anything close here
Doesn’t look like he is getting much of anything.
that was a good decision… unfortunately Freddy sucks and cant get Callaspo out
He got squeezed on a couple pitches, he should still be able to get Callaspo…but it’s much more difficult when the strikezone shrinks.
He might give him the unintentional intentional
Callaspo grand slam. Calling it.
His margin for error is tiny.
That non call by the ump changed that at bat
Totally.
pathetic… Freddy and the ump killing the Yankees
More scrubs doing damage to the Yanks
Callaspo is not really a scrub. A Jag but not a scrub
Freddy Garcia obviously has more of a future than David Phelps. Definitely a good idea to give him the start.
When did David Phelps last pitch?
I have thought it makes more sense to find out what Phelps can do as a starter, but it’s not unreasonable to give Freddy this start.
That missed strike call forced them to get too much plate. Bad job early by HP ump
Yeah. That pitch was a strike last night.
Forget last night. That pitch was strike two pitches before.
Good point.
Ump has to be smarter. He might think Freddy was wild because he walked Trumbo but that was by design. He was pretty accurate during the Callaspo AB but the Ump fooled himself into thinking Freddy had been being wild.
This is why we need robot umps. It shouldn’t matter if a pitcher is wild or not. If he throws a strike it’s a strike.
Domo arigato!
I think the pitch that Callaspo hit actually caught less of the plate… it was really down and out of the strike zone unlike the pitch before. It happens when your stuff sucks
There’s the requisite, shitty-Angels-hitter-clutch-hit kinda shit.
Nothing unusual.
Yanks 0
Angels 0
Umps 2
Why was Swisher playing so deep? Callaspo is a fucking singles hitter. Should’ve been playing shallow.
So is Erick Aybar for that matter.
Callaspo may only have 6 homers, but he definitely has pop. I’ve watched a lot of their games. After pitchers get by Trumboed they lay one in there to Callaspo often and he mashes it.
Defensive specialist My ass.
not a horrible inning there. some bad luck, but with the angels speed, there is no room for error.
Could’ve been much worse.
Hopefully, Freddy gets it togather, but I’m afraid we are seeing April Freddy today.
A-Rod moving up in the lineup? Girardi is out of his mind.. he needs to be moved down
As I have said, if you bat him behind Cano, Cano wont get pitches to hit.
Not even remotely true.
assuming that were true, just put Swisher behind Robbie.. Or Robbie 3rd and Teix 4th
He’s be a perfect number 2 or number 6/7 hitter. He just doesn’t have the power to be a middle of the line up guy.
Unfortunately 6/7 won’t be happening any time soon. I would love to see Girardi try the #2 hole though, and that move wouldn’t be seen as a “demotion” really.
I wish the Yankees had scrappy annoying players like the Angels. They seem to have mastered the art of drafting and developing those guys.
Well they traded for Callaspo from the Royals, so they didn’t develop him. Your point is still valid
Actually he was an Angel first, then a Royal, and then an Angel again.
Really? Then I apologize
Or the Yankees could stick to having good players on the roster.
Gardner is on the DL, but apart from that, scappy/annoying is at odds with the patience/power hitters that make up most of the Yankees’ lineup.
Come on boys, answer right back.
Fuck you Aybar!
One slow roller deserves another
Boy is Grandy hella streaky.
Anyone who has HBO check out Jeter 3000 hits. It was very well done and follows Jeter last year to his 3000 hit game. Really well done and show Gary Denbo fixing Jeters swing, my question is why cant alex go down for a few weeks and work with Denbo? Long dosent seem to be helping much.
Denbo was Jeter’s minor league coach and he knows Jeter and his swing very well. I’m not sure he would be able to help A-Rod like that.
Lou pinella maybe?..
I wish it were that easy. Maybe A-Rod’s just getting old, or the knee/hip surgeries are catching up to him. We all know how dedicated he his. A-Rod’s baseball acumen is off the charts, he’s a known batting cage rat, and he seemingly does everything he can in the offseason. I don’t know what he needs.
A-Rod’s guy used to be Jarmillo who was recently fired by the Cubs. That might be someone who can work with him.
Curtis has been doing that a lot lately. Dropping that shoulder and not driving toward LF, but popping it up.
Nunez 3rd base coach?
another awful AB by Alex
That was a hit for Derek, really? I don’t really care, he reached either way, but Aybar had him by a step there if he fields that. Whatever. Also, why couldn’t Aybar have been covering there?
Makes you want our DH last night in the lineup again…
hmmm..interesting…according to Waldman when asked about moving Alex out of the middle of the order Girardi said “We aren’t there, yet.” Does that ‘yet’ mean that it’s a possibility?
No. Kay expounded on it moments ago. He says no because they think the homers are coming
Alex Rodriguez, King of The Groundballs and Worm Killer.
Jeter never ground out.
I am hoping that A-Rod has an Ortiz-like resurgence at some point in the not too distant future.
I wish but it’s unlikely. A-Rod is guess hitter while Ortiz has beast plate discipline and hits the ball where it’s pitched.
IT HIT OFF THE TOP!
Boom
Whoa, Sterling actually made it seem like that wasn’t going out.
When Robbie is going oppo…
Jesus. Good night.
ROBBIE!!!
Robbie!
I wish Cano just hit an RBI singe there.
I know right? Damn unsustainable homers…
He’s pretty good that guy.
Trout’s not that good… else he would have caught that…
what are the chances of that? i thought somehow trout was going to get to that
Robbie Cano, don’t cha know? Same spot as Trumbo’s last night haha
I <3 Robbie Cano. I am so glad I picked him to be my favorite player all those years ago.
too bad he can’t hit hr’s in kaufmann stadium? too soon?
As long as he can hit them when it actually counts, I’m cool with it.
Cano needs to catch Trout in the MVP race. That’s a good start.
How does Trout not catch that? (sarcasm off)
if it was about 10 feet to the left, he would have robbed it
Just wouldn’t be O’Neil in the booth without donuts…
and milkshakes
Trout is no longer a prospect, Sterling.
another awful hanger..
I don’t see any player in the AL winning the MVP except Trout the next ten years. He’ll probably have over 100 WAR before he’s 30.
So he’s going to average 10 WAR a year for the next ten years? I’ll spot you 25 WAR and still take the under on that 100 at age 30.
He’s going to be over 10 WAR a year, yes.
You crazy, man. Yes, he’s a phenomenal talent, but he also has an almost .400 BABIP. I would think that would normalize to more like .325-.330 with his speed/talent.
Ya know, as glad as I am that I snagged Trout in my league right after his promotion…
He needs to stop doing this for the next couple days.
Fuck you Trout. If you really wanted to be a Yankee you would’ve been wearing the pinstripes today.
And how would that work, exactly?
He’s quoted as saying that he wanted to be a Yankee.
I thought that was Harper
They’ll both be wearing pinstripes in 5 years.
Actually there’s a good bet Trout will be.
Quit being the stereotypical Yankee fan that everyone hates.
Sarcasm?
That, and it’s a blog where 99.7% of the readers/posters are Yankee fans, so it’s not exactly as if other fans are even reading that.
Half. I’m not a fan of the ‘buy every good free agent’ mentality but I was also being tongue in cheek.
So? He didn’t make the Angels draft him.
That would just be odd to have him wearing pinstripes while playing for the Angels.
Hahahahaha this is brilliant trolling.
Fuck you aybar
seriously, i don’t expect them to get trout out, but it is a nice surprise when it happens.
Even the best hitter of all time (Ted Williams) in his best season still made out about half the time.
i understand, but i still am surprised when they get him out. although trumbo’s obp is well over 500 this year against the yanks
Ted Williams was not the best hitter of all time.
Swisher has been starting to take walks more recently
“His name sounds like a star. Ty Hensley. That’s just a baseball name.”
Micheal Kay. That’s definitely a Kay quote.
Bingo.
Just take the fucking walk Ibanez.
I hate thinking of how close Trout could have been being our centerfielder….
Or being traded for a pitcher.
That sucked.
running into outs, yankees specialty
Did you see the game last night?
Paul laughing at Cone is classic.
Hmm. ball 4. But it had good movement
Way to bail out a pitcher struggling to find the zone
Trying to out-Scioscia the Angels with the pointless hit-and-run.
God damn Ibanez is a stupid fuck. He swung at ball four THREE TIMES in a row. Get the fuck off my team.
Ruined the entire inning. I can’t wait until he is DFA’d.
You’re going to be waiting at least two more weeks, and if he’s not gone by the trade deadline/Gardner’s return, he’s sticking around through the season.
I think the 3-1 pitch was moving into the strikezone
It was up and away.
I dont remember exactly which pitch it was, but one of them was moving into the K zone
None of them were. 3-1 was inside, 3-2 was up and away, and 3-2 again was low and away.
The 3-1 that was inside had a bit of back curl to it I thought, from seeing it
Girardi needs to accept that the Yankees aren’t a speed team. The faster he realizes that the sooner he will stop sending baserunners into outs. Grandy and Jeets should be the only ones attempting to steal, advance and score on sac flys.
When else has he done that recently?
I can see into a parallel universe you all killing him for not sending the runner after Ibanez hitting into a 4-6-3
Or when he didnt send Jeter in the third and ARod hit into a DP, not allowing Cano to hit a homer.
He just needs to be more selective with the aggression. Running early in the game (with a slowish runner) with a pitcher who is pretty terrible and your weakest starter on the mound seems to be pushing it too much.
“Trumbo should hit fourth instead of fifth because batting order means everything.” -YES booth.
Boy if Trumbo ever develops some plate discipline he would be one of the greatest hitters in baseball.
You can say that about an awful lot of hitters, like Jeff Francoeur.
Yeah but Trumbo has 80 raw power (which is rare). Francoeur has like 60 at best.
Alfonso soriano
If the Cubs eat all but two million a year of the rest of his salary would you want him?
Chris Stewart
lol
Lee May
Sweaty almost throws a knuckleball.
Rested Bullpen– if Freddy can go 5 and fly it should be all that’s needed. 6 would be a bonus.
Dempster with a 30+ inning scoreless streak. Cubs must be salivating at his value in the trade market.
I wonder if the eagles are really going to sign hamels or if its just smoke to keep other teams away?
I bet Hamels would make a great QB.
Ba fongul i meant phillies
Although he would beat out Vick.
lol Chris Stewart.
It’s like the balls he hits have a magnet that pushes it away from gloves.
Chris Stewart, Babip king
Why must YES wax so poetic about Chris Stewart?
I mean, Michael Kay is underwhelming in many ways with statistics, but he can’t be this dense, can he?
Cone and O’Neill did it too.
More or less following Kay’s lead.
Jeter didn’t tell him to go.
Way to advance the runner Jeet
Chris Stewart has earned the right to get a mulligan.
Grandyman!
Grandy!
THE GRANDY MAN!
Love the timing of the YES booth.
LOL YES BOOTH. Ragging on Curtis and then BOOM
talk about that hitting with RISP
Kay starts complaining, Grandy hits one out.
too funny.
Grander son just made O’neill eat his words.
i like it a lot more when c grand hits bombs as opposed to striking out
Right in the middle of the booth shredding his swing.
Grandyman can
YEAAAH Grandy!!
Man, has anyone else thought the YES booth has been off today? They got the new CBA arbitration/draft pick rules wrong, and rambled on about nonsense among other things I cannot remember.
I’ll give them a mulligan on the CBA stuff, it is complicated.
Yeah, but then O’Neill didn’t know they signed Hensley. Idk, its a lot of small stuff that just kind of bugged me today. On the whole I usually can stand Kay and Paul, and love Coney.
The perfect YES booth Oneill,Cone and Leiter.
Add Singleton in there for the play-by-play guy, and I agree.
Yeah, they seemed to think that the Phillies wouldn’t get a draft pick if Hamels leaves, so they have to extend him or trade him. Which is wrong.
Love listening to Cone and Pauly, wish they had a sports show i would listen to it everyday.
Meh. It’s two former players and a goofy radio guy. Do you really expect insightful banter and accurate statements?
I expect more accurate stuff yeah. Not insightful banter in the least though.
Is there a stat of how often A-Rod grounds out after the hitter in front of him hits a HR? It seems like every time theres a HR, A-Rod is behind grounding out.
Ask stuart a
Arod needs to drink one of big papi milkshakes.
Yes. Or Michael Jordan’s “Secret Stuff”!
He did. For like 10 years. Then they started testing for those milkshakes. And now he’s terrible.
Not really how it went down.
Speaking of Papi, he thinned down the past few years and his numbers dipped. He’s still “thinner” but his numbers are back…A-Rod needs to hire his “nutritionist”.
I hope the cable guy is considerate enough to not come until after the game is over. Completely forgot about that.
Ubaldo…
Holy shit!
What’d he do?
8 ER, 2 1/3 Innings.
Wow. Talk about your good non-trades. Imagine the comments around here if we sent Montero to Colorado.
There’s a pretty decent chance this version of Ubaldo is better than whatever the Yankees will get out Pineda.
When’d you become such a negative nancy Mike? Did Pineda have some set back or start uncorking wild throws while playing catch or something?
Shoulder surgery many times is the death of pitchers.
What Pineda will be when he returns is truly a box of chocolates.
I sure hope not. The other side to that is Montero would probably be hitting a bit better in a hitter’s park.
I’m pretty sure Pineda has zero value to the years this year but Ubaldo probably has negative value to the Indians.
*to the Yankees this year
Yes but Campos will be like strasberg.
Clevland scored 8 runs so far so whatever he did it cant be good.
Arod almost got the ball out of the infield. give him a raise and keep him in the 3 hole…. he is 1 heck of a player, so productive… even better then kendrys morales…
Ahhh there he is!
Strawman!
Jeter did the same thing but at least he ‘plays hard and hustles’ right?
Selma?
I missed out on letter “E”, but if you didn’t use it, keep “Ethel” in your back pocket next time.
I don’t remember, but I think I might have used Ethel.
I think I have a pretty good idea what you’re gonna use for “T” up next.
nevermind, I used Estelle
I’ll keep Ethel in mind if I decide to continue past Z
Great throw, Stew.
Chris Stewart, defensive catcher.
Nichols’ Law!
Pretty much.
Hey, with him hitting .265 I’ll take it. That’s fully 50% more effective at the plate than Martin.
his average is 80 points higher, but his obp is 25 points lower. Wow…Stewart is even worse than I give him credit for.
And Stewart hits for zero power. That little excuse-me single Martin hit last night traveled farther on the fly than anything Stewart has hit in weeks.
Batting average is a dumb stat.
Cervelli must have taken a dump on Cashman desk.
How come the Blue Jays can lock up their best hitters (Bautista, Encarnacion) for below market rates but we are going to have to give Cano 160 million?
They don’t have to give anyone anything. They choose to give them the $100M+.
They locked up Bautista before they knew for sure if it wasn’t just one fluke season. AA took on some risk there.
Encarnacion does not equal Cano. Also, Cano signed a pretty team friendly deal back in the day.
Fuck smallball
Reading through this game thread was brutal. Angels = lucky/great. Trout = second coming of Babe Ruth Yankees = suck/old and Arod will never be Arod again.
I hate when people say “Stop fellating…” whomever when they’re talking about FOX or ESPN guys going on about the opposing team (especially Red Sox) but honestly that was in my head reading through the game thread with comments here about the Angels.
Agreed. In other news, I totally ate a bagel for lunch today.
Start spreading the cream cheese!
“Arod will never be Arod again”… I missed Yogi’s post.
Arod will never be Arod again.
——————–
Well that part is true.
This begs a question – Who would you rather have long-term?
The Stras, or the Trout?
Trout, no question.
Yup. Pitchers get injured too easily and Stras already has a bit of a history.
Agreed. Trout vs. Harper would be a better question. As shoo-in rookies of the year/hugely hyped players, both will be linked forever.
I think Harper is going to wind up having a better peak (40 HR power), but Trout will have the better career being a more better rounded player
I’d still take Trout. He has five tools although Harper will probably have more power.
I agree. If starting a team right now, I’d take Trout over every other player in baseball.
Agreed. Trout is going to be a top flight CF for years to come whereas Harper will be a RF most likely. Easier to find a little more pop from the corner guys. Either way it seems like you can’t pick the wrong guy here. I could probably be swayed either way.
Yes, but that question has been asked many times, and there’s obviously no wrong answer to that (though gimme Trout between the two).
I always understand the logic of taking the position player over the pitcher, largely due to injury concerns. I agree with it. I only put the question up because Strasburg himself is ridiculously good, and in a sense, he’s already had his TJS. Generally, most pitchers don’t have to get a second one, but yeah, it does happen I guess. Just look at Kyle Drabek, among others.
Trout is a first ballot Hall of Famer by the time he is 27, so Trout.
Wait, WHO did we take in the draft ahead of Trout?
Nobody, he was picked before the Yankees had a pick.
We didn’t. We drafted Slade Heathcott five picks later.
Nobody. We didn’t have a pick before Trout.
Angels were able to draft Trout with the pick they received from the Yankees after losing Tex
Does Trout ever make an out? How is he “only” hitting .348?
“Everybody knows” that b.a. is an over-the-hill stat.
Francesa? I thought you were on vacation.
Trout for MVP.
Probably.
Watching Trout steal bases makes me miss Gardner. Not if only Gardner would actually hit.
Steal third too
Spent all that time worrying about the steal rather than the third out. smh
The Yankees should begin tampering with Trout now, promising him a piece of the franchise as soon as he becomes a FA.
He’ll be the first $300 million free agent at this rate.
If he keeps playing at this level and hits FA at the age of 26/27…Good Mo is he going to get PAID.
When they find my body splatted on the sidewalk in front of the Empire State Building, you will know it’s me because I’ll be wearing a tee shirt that says, “They mentioned Trout. Again.”
And all the tourists will think I jumped because of a fish.
Funniest thing I’ve read in a while.
Based on this series alone, Mike Trout is basically the perfect baseball player.
Based on this season, alone, Mike Trout is basically the perfect baseball player.
He’s a true 5 tool talent, he can field, run, hit, has power, and has a pretty good arm too. It’ll be amazing to see if he can do this for an extended period of time (like a few consecutive seasons.)
Trout can’t really throw, Harper’s closer to the true five-tool guy.
Harper’s arm is unreal. His glove is his one big question in the five tools, right? I mean its only his second season as an OF so he’s still learning routes and the such.
Harper can’t run like Trout can though.
Few can, but he’s still a 20+ SB guy.
Seemingly more to me, at least early in his career, just because of his instincts and base running ability. Also, I’d think that just with his mindset he’d attempt more steals than a normal guy with his speed would.
Garcia is going to get phelps brought back up.
Good recovery Freddy.
at least against the yanks, pujols may only be the angels third most feared hitter
Chad “Vulture” Qualls
Qualls = Scott Proctor
No. He’s not.
Trout is good and has a ton of potential but it was laughable to hear the MLB guys gush over the guy, putting him in the same conversation as Mantle, Mays, ARod and some others.
He has HOF potential and it’s pretty easy to see why.
Right, we can say a guy is really, really awesome without comparing him to HoFers.
It’s their job. The same way political pundits have to laud their guy as the second coming of Christ and the other guy as Satan incarnate, if you have to talk about baseball all day every day you have to boost guys that are going really well and have a chance to be great.
What makes those guys such brand names was their ability to be at the top of the sport in the years before and after the average “peak” years. Trout is years away from that, let’s just enjoy it (against every other team but the Yankees) and then look back on it after the fact. No need to throw those names as comps already.
He’s definitely having as good of a start to a career as any of those guys had. If he has a long career with that speed, 1000 SB’s will be almost easy.
But the hallmark of a great career is…. A CAREER. This guy JUST started.
The west coast teams like guys with fishy last names: Mike Trout, Mike Carp and Tim Salmon.
Anthony Bass with the Padres
Don’t forget Doug Fister, when he was with Seattle.
There’s a fish called Fister?
Fister? But I barely even know her!
No but it’s fishy in another(perhaps disgusting)way.
Hooray for lead-off walks.
Cone with a “call me maybe” reference? *pukes*
A blank comment?
I was trying to post a link to the Sesame Street parody of the video that was blowing up twitter a few days ago.
There’s a Sesame Street parody of “call me maybe”?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Cookie Monster, bro: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qTIGg3I5y8
Oh yeah
This is where the win stat is absolutely ridiculous. There really isn’t a reason that Freddy should still be out there, but managers and pitchers are trained to let the guy go 5 to get that meaningless stat. Silly.
Maybe he’s trying to save the pen some innings. Great catch Swish!
Eh, pen is pretty rested after last night and the break. I’d be ok with emptying it out. But hey, bad process= a good result there, I’ll take it.
I understand it’s rested, but the Yankees don’t have an off day until July 26th. It seems reasonable to try to push it another inning with Freddy and keep the Bullpen innings needed to 4 instead of 5 today. There’s still a lot of baseball to be played today.
Chad Qualls got the win last night. Enough said.
Swissssssssh
some catch by Swish!
Swisher has made a habit of those plays the past couple days.
Weak underbelly of the pen for the next inning or two. Up to the offense to add some cushion.
And Swisher is not that tall, which makes it harder.
Fuck you kendrick
I know you ordered that code red too.
You can’t handle the truth!
What happened to the real Swisher? This one has no plate discipline but seems to be a wizard with the glove.
Is it me or has Swish looked better in RF this year than he has in years prior?
He also looks like he’s in great shape. Not sure if the two correlate at all.
Probably, two of the things that make an outfielder good are range and being able to track a ball. The key part of having range is having good speed, being in good shape makes you faster.
Jesus…every Daily News 5th is the same exact thing
Suzyn/John:What do you think of the team?
Daily News Guy: They’re flawed, but they’ve got the best record
S/J:What about A-Rod?
DNG: I’m going to take 5 minutes, all I’m really saying though is he’s older, and yeah he’s not as good any more
S/J: How about the bullpen?
DNG: I know, Girardi totally knows how to build a bullpen out of nothing
John: I love meaningless terrible role players like Stewart and Nix, that’s the reason the Yankees are doing so well.
DNG: …well ok then…
Mickey Mantle, age-20 season: 23 homers, .424 wOBA, 159 wRC+ (626 PAs)
Mike Trout, age-20 season (thus far): 12 homers, .426 wOBA, 176 wRC+ (294 PAs)
What’s your point?
I see no reason to compare those two.
Can we also see the rest of the years? The championship rings? Etc? Because I’d like to compare Mantles with Mantles and not Mantles with “Remember that guy, Mike Trout? Thought he was gonna be great, and then….”
This is a useless comment IMO, of course Trout may flop after this year(for whatever reason) but the whole fun of sports is to speculate about the future. So of course we can’t “see the rest of the years” yet for Trout, but its at least mildly interesting to compare players from different eras at given ages – e.g. age 20 seasons. Trout may or may not end up being great, but you know one way to start an alltime great career, ala Mantle? Have a tremendous season at an insanely young age… Trout is doing just that. If we are not allowed to speculate, where is the fun?
Also I didn’t want this to come off as an attack at all, I just see the comparison being made as only a positive one overall in terms of starting discussions and helping to remember the all time greats. In 20 years, some young hot shot will come up and rake and someone will post his stats next to Jeter’s… its all fun, its all about history, and its important to remember perspective.
I think ppl just get frustrated after a while due to the sports news cycle pushing these guys 24/7 and saying they are the next Mantle or A-rod or Griffey
Yeah, Montero was literally the second coming.
Well that is mainly an issue of the pop culturalization of news media… specifically ESPN. But to deny that Trout has had a special start to his career is ridiculous. What possible harm is there to comparing the start of one player to an all time great? It is not a statement of how good Trout will be, it is showing that he HAS had a special start and has the possibility of having a great career.
Useless to you maybe. These Trout conversations are useless to me. So we’re even.
No, your comment was useless to facilitating discussion. Why are you so offended by the Trout conversation is beyond me.
Arod makes that play too.
Mike Scioscia teams Play The Game The Right Way ™
Doesn’t Kendrick know the sun is behind the clouds? Why bother wearing sunglasses ON your cap?
Is anyone else relieved to hear the Cardinals signed Brian Fuentes? I don’t even want to think about Joe Girardi managing with 3 situational lefties in the bullpen.
O/T, thinking about getting the Samsung Galaxy S3 with my upgrade later this month, anybody own it?
I don’t, but I have an upgrade in a couple months and was thinking the same thing. I would also like to know.
It’s gotten excellent reviews on verizon.com, but idk how many of those positive reviews are people who work for verizon.
What do you have now? I have a Droid 2, but I’ve been pretty underwhelmed with it. Motorolla sucks, I’ll never buy another phone made by them. I like Samsungs other products, and like you said, it’s gotten good reviews.
I have the Droid Pro. There’s no problem with it really, and I love the tactile keyboard, but my mom’s ready to enter the world of smart phones and the Pro is an excellent starter smart phone. Since I’m still on the family share plan (cause it’s cheap as shit) I plan on just giving her this one and getting the Samsung. I’m also thinking of getting the Droid 4 just because I like having a tactile keyboard.
Heh I’m still on the family plan too. I went to the Verizon store with my dad before I moved to take me off and get my own plan. It would have been something like $90 a month. I asked my dad to hold off and take a look at the bill to see how much I individually cost on the family plan, and it’s like $45. So we kept me on the family plan and I just transfer money to my dad to pay my portion of the bill every month, it’s crazy.
As far as phones go, I really just want 4G. I’ve heard good things about the HTC Thunderbolt too. I might go for iphone if Verizon would get a 4G iphone.
I really don’t need the 4G, but it’d be cool to have.
Hell I don’t NEED it either, but I sure want it
My Verizon contract is already up on my Motorola Droid. I’m waiting for the new iPhone (October, I’ve been told.) Also thinking about S3 now. Tough choice.
Bobby Wilson? Really????
Does anybody think Bourjos is a full time player?
Yes because of his defense.
Who’s better overall Gardner or Bourjos? Disregarding age.
Gardner has hit and defended better in his career than Bourjous.
Gardner has better BB rates and on base skills, I’d take Brett.
If he can put up close to last year’s numbers, yeah he is. But not even close this year. I have a feeling he’ll bounce between starter and 4th OF for a while with LAA.
I dont usually say this but that was a pasta dive
Everytime A-Rod grounds out there are always people bitching but when Jeter does the same thing and then also misses a ground ball: crickets.
Jeter has always been a ground ball hitter. A-Rod is supposed to be a power hitter.
Plus, the fact that Jeter is batting 50 points higher than A-Rod buys him some slack.
I’ve spent way to much time insulting Derek’s defense. If I called out every time a ball was hit that he should get to everybody on this board would hate me.
You’d be dangerously close to stuart a.
Last year, year before and even before that we all called GIDP when he was up and there was “pasta diving Jeter” as a meme for a long time. I think the 3000 thing put a lot of stuff back into perspective. He’s a first ballot HoFer and could walk away tomorrow with nothing to prove and nothing but success. He does get a lot of passes. I am of two minds about it. I can see it and it does irk me sometimes.
Think Trout goes for stolen base number 3?
You might want to throw to first to avoid the steals of 2nd and 3rd base…
unfortunately, that does not count as getting trout out, because he will be on 2nd very soon
Just let him steal and focus on the third out, please.
I second that.
Almost exact quote on Sterling’s call of Trout’s ground ball “Swung on double play ball, to second one, no throw to first, it wasn’t a double play ball, it wasn’t hit hard enough.”
if trout played the yankees every game he would have at least 324 stolen bases a year
And if he did that for 5 years, he’d break Rickey Henderson’s sb record. Basically, what we’re saying is that he’s a first ballot HoF lock, right?
If it were Trumbo he’d have something like 90 HRs.
That surprises me. I was sure he would go at some time.
If W.B. Mason was hanging out with my kids and showing them “magic tricks,” I’d be very concerned.
Come here kids, let me show you something in my moustache…
Arod with the groundout right?
NOPE! LOL
warning track power
AROD SUXXXXX
Arod 3k countdown: 142 hits to go!
Dammed guess hitter.
RISP success tonight!
Russell Martin with a hit yesterday? A double for ARod today?
AND a hit with RISP?
Wow.
now if they could only get some small ball going
Risp success
nice bounce off the bag there
RISPWIN Without a homerun!!!
Tough luck Tex.
The second half should be glorious if the RISP numbers keep correcting
With a 8-10 game lead the next three months should be stress free. Just hope for stat padding for your favorite players.
I can’t see it being stress free. I really think the red sox are going to go on a big run here. Not saying they’ll catch up, I just can’t see it being stress free
Yeah they’ve been correcting for the last few weeks. They were at .220 something a few weeks ago and now they are at .231 or thereabout
41 for last 135 (17 games including today’s 3-4) .304 AVG
Tough break for Tex there.
Pujols = dick move
Meh, the staredown looked way more egregious in slow motion than it did live.
He was probably just looking to see if Cano was gonna try and get back to first.
Take the ball to first base and be done with it.
Meh, not really. Now if he held the ball out or stood in front of the base and not tag it, that would be a dick move.
If you wonder about all theTrout stuff, off the chart comments and pieces on blogs and in the papers, take a look at what happened when Mantle showed up at 19. He was a Baseball God before he even played a single big league ball game. It was off the charts for Mantle – Mantle Mania and he was still a kid. Who knows about Trout in terms of career. I’ve seen tons of rookie rock and roll stars flame out, but the hype, that’s just the way it works.
Oh is that how it works?
He won’t flame out, but how great he’ll be is an open question. Certainly off to a great start. Wouldn’t bet against him.
Looking forward to five or six years down the line when Trout is starting in CF and Harper in RF for the Yankees. Now that is going to be some expensive free agents. It seems both would love to play for the Yankees, although they could be “bought off” before they make it to free agency in their mid-20s. I doubt it, though, especially in Harper’s case since Boras is his agent.
Scott Boras. The agent Yankee fans should love.
Boras is responsible for the A-Rod contract so fuck him.
Hank is. The Yankees should love Boras because he can bring them the stars. It’s up to them on choosing wisely.
I wonder what type of contract A-Rod would have got if Cashman did the negotiating. 6-189 sound fair?
I could see maybe 7, possibly 8. But no more than that.
Think the Angels offer him 10 years if the Yankees don’t?
Maybe, but I think by coming out and saying that Boras went behind his back to opt out of the deal, and saying that Boras wouldn’t be involved in the negotiations with the Yankees showed that he really wanted to come back here.
No. That was always the mystery of the A-Rod contract. A-Rod came back to the Yankees. They cold have had him for max eight years, maybe seven. As fans, we’d be a lot less concerned if there was only two years left.
For 189, I think it would be 7 years. I don’t think anyone would have given ARod a 31.5M AAV.
Would you rather have 5 more years of A-Rod, or 10 more years of Pujols?
A-Rod. His salary the last three years is only around 20 mil too.
ONLY 20 million?
Better than Pujols at 30!
Better than the 30 million the Angels will be paying Pujols.
Compared to the last years of Pujols’ contract and the early and current years of ARod’s contract, 20M is relatively “only.
5 of ARod, no questions asked.
15 Years of Trout.
hell yes
I usually like Cone but he’s annoying today.
As long as nobody tells John Sterling and Suszyn Waldman what “Call Me Maybe” is, I’ll be fine.
They probably wouldn’t understand the concept. “Why is it such a big deal that she gave him her number?” “What does it matter that the wind was blowing?” “Is she talking to me or Mark Teixeira? Because we both look dapper in our suits from Hart, Schaffner, and Marks.”
“You can’t predict dating patterns, Suzyn.”
Great job, Cody.
Big ups to Cody Eppley. Great job.
did eppley just get trumbo and trout out in the same game? nice outing by him
How about that Cody Eppley? He’s been fantastic.
Unlike Rapada, he can field.
Rapada has me traumatized. The next time he fields a ball I’m going to yell out “NNNNNnnnnnnooooooooooo!!!!!!!!111111″.
Over-dramatic? Maybe but deserving!
Eppley what a pickup by Cash.
Cashman failed by not getting him earlier.
Eppley’s young too. He’s 26. Might be worht keeping him around a bit. I’ not talking a big contract though.
He’s not even Arb eligible yet, no need for more than about league minimum to keep him.
Guye like Eppley and Rapada are fungible. This year’s Cory Wade. So, sure, they can come back next year if they continue to do the job, but I wouldn’t be locking them up to anything. Cashman and company have been good and finding useful parts for the pen every year.
Like any reliever, the Yankees should keep Eppley around for as long as he’s effective and not a second more.
Somehow I never realized that he’s young. I always assumed he was a journeyman veteran.
Why do almost all Japanese pitchers have awkward wind-ups?
I don’t know but I know you’re right: Nomo, Matsuzaka, Kuroda and this Takahashi guy.
Hell, even Wang had his funky delay. It must just be a thing that is taught it Asia to disrupt timing and add some deception. Just my guess.
If D-Rob pitched for contact would he be better or worse?
Reply fail.
Why are all Japanese pitchers so good at math?
Anyone know what Jeff Weaver is up to these days?
Cheering for his brother in a a private luxury box?
Ibanez vs. LHP. Grumble grumble.
RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Numbers dont back up Joe either. Ibanez only 1-8 vs. Takahashi.
My guess is that since Ibanez hasnt played full time in awhile he wanted to keep Raul fresh.
I think Joe has more faith in Ibanez than Jones vs same side pitchers. That’s just how it seems to me.
Ibanez got some hits off LHP earlier in the season and Girardi’s stuck with him ever since. It came back to bite him in the Braves series when Ibanez was allowed for face Venters with the tying run on base (twice!).
I wonder why Jones didn’t hit for Ibanez there.
Yeah, especially with how well Andruw has been hitting of late.
My only guess is that since the Yankees played 4 lefties in a row, Ibanez hasn’t been getting swings of late, so he wanted to keep him up.
Especially since they took Ibanez out for defense anyway.
I actually find the Weaver-contract story really annoying. The Yankees never get their best player to sign a team friendly contract like he did.
That’s because the Yankees rarely, if ever, negotiate in season. Cano signed a 4/30 deal in ’08 with the possibility of making it 6/60 basically. That’s pretty friendly…
He wasn’t as valuable to the Yankees at the time as Weaver was to the Angels last year though.
Goes to show what kind of person he is. Very rare.
That’s because the Yankees have the MO of over paying for players, whether be outside guys or in house guys. Once you develop that kind of rep it’s really hard to break because every agent can tell a player, “look they want you to take a team friendly deal, they didn’t ask player X to do it, they must not respect you as much. We should demand more.”
I think the Yankees want to be the team that pays its players the best. They want to encourage all top-flight free agents to come to the Yankees and not sign with their current teams, or other teams. To do that, they are the high payer. Keeps the talent flowing. If they really were looking to cut corners they’d negotiate with their own players prior to free agency.
Will they change their ways now with the $189M soft cap? Maybe, but being the team that pays a premium is by design.
I’ve never understood why they refuse to negotiate contracts while a player is currently signed. It makes no sense to me at all. I kind of understand not doing it during the season, not wanting that added distraction or w/e, but I’d love for them to open up extension talks with Cano this off season.
Weaver overrode Boras’ advice. Trust me. He wanted to take Weaver to market.
There’s another possible reason. You value Wise over Jones as a defender so you dont waste Jones for one at bat just to pull him.
What would they be saving him for?
well, you never know.
That wouldn’t make any sense to me with McDonald on the bench as well, with even Nix being able to play the OF too.
Scott Downs maybe? I don’t agree with the move, I would have PH Jones, but I’m just thinking of why Girardi didn’t.
Downs threw 30 pitches yesterday and probably isn’t available even if the Angels had a lead.
Fair enough. I’m not defending it, just thinking out loud. I would have had Jones hit.
Qualls > D-Rob because he has more wins
Clay Buckholz is tied as the 5th best pitcher in baseball because Wins.
David Robertson is tied as the worst pitcher in baseball.
Chris Davis is as good as Cliff Lee.
HA! Now that’s a good one.
So is Cory Wade.
Chad Qualls is 2x better.
In 2011, Mariano Rivera was one of the worst pitchers in the game, with only a single win, and losing twice as many games as he won. Cut him!
Jamie Moyer and David Wells had better careers than Pedro Martinez, no doubt.
Everything I needed to know about Baseball, I learned in Kindergarten when they taught me to count.
looks like the few off days was good for DRob
Semi-racist, but whenever I hear the name Bourjos I expect a black guy like maybe a Haitian. I don’t know why, and I’m always surprised when he’s a white guy lol.
First name of “Peter” usually reminds me.
Where’s the curve?
If they aren’t touching the fastball, why bother dropping the hammer?
If there were men on base, I’m sure Girardi would have pinch hit Jones. Why waste the body with a 2-run lead and no overt scoring opportunity?
If they were trailing, you would have seen Jones.
If there was a scoring opportunity, you would’ve seen Jones.
No reason to burn that move if unnecessary. And looking for a homerun to make it 6-3 from 5-3 is not a valid reason.
That’s what I’m thinking. If there were runners on, I think he would have done it.
Why is it not a valid reason?
What happens if the Angels tie the game and it goes to extras and Scioscia has the opportunity to bring in either Downs or Frieri and Girardi’s hands are tied because he has no corresponding move?
Don’t make a move until you’re forced to. That’s why.
But what if the Angels score two more runs but are still trailing because pinch hitting Andruw hit a home run to give the Yankees 6 runs?
Fallacy of the pre..nevermind, you’re teasing me.
You know why.
I know.
It’s probably not a good idea to manage a game putting higher value on unlikely hypothetical situations than actual, presented situations. The most likely thing to happen in this game is that that lineup spot doesn’t even come up again. By your logic you should save your closer until the tying run is on third because only then “you’d be forced to.”
So they shouldn’t do everything they can to prevent the game from being tied in case the game does get tied?
Yeah, that makes sense.
Isn’t a power hitter up with nobody on a scoring opportunity?
Why save him for a situation that will most likely never come?
It’s not just about hitting a homer to score a tack-on run. Jones was the leadoff hitter and had a substantially better chance of reaching base against the LHP to start a rally.
Jones value is not on the basepaths. His value off the bench is a power stick. So basically you want him to work a walk or get a single (which mentally isn’t his forte) and then you burn another player by pinch-running with Nix/Wise.
Sorry, Mike, it’s just overmanaging. If Jones get’s up there in PH capacity, he can’t help himself. He’s looking yard.
I feel like fundamentally you know this, but you’re playing Devil’s Advocate here.
He’s looking yard, which he might get, which increases the Yankees chances of winning, which is a good thing. He also might work a walk or single while looking to go yard, which also increases the Yankees chances of winning, which is a good thing. He’s more likely to both homer of get on base vs. a lefty than Ibanez is. Why take Eppley out? Why take Robertson out? Why take Ibanez out for defense? Those players may also be useful in situations that will likely never arise later in the game.
That’s unintelligent and scared baseball. You don’t burn a bench player for a solo-homerun opportunity with a 2-run lead.
It’s bad baseball.and if you can’t understand that, it’s not worth anyone trying to convince you otherwise.
I would argue that the strategy you are presenting is closer to “scared baseball” than the opposite.
exactly
You be arguing wrong then. It’s the same reason Girardi squeezed two innings out of Eppley instead of going to Logan or D-Rob earlier.
Eppley kept the status quot and kept getting outs. Don’t make moves unless you HAVE to.
Bullpen management is a different story because overuse spills over into following games. Using a pinch hitter does not.
So by that logic, bringing in Wise was the wrong move?
Bringing in Soriano was the wrong move? Robertson was pitching well, that move didn’t have to be made.
Your logic fails miserably.
That’s smart baseball. Putting players in a position to succeed and trying to tack on runs is a smart thing. By your logic, why put Wise in for Ibanez? What if the Angels tie the score and the Yankees are stuck with Wise hitting instead of Ibanez?
Saving players for situations not likely to occur isn’t smart baseball. Trying to give your team the best chance to win in the opportunities you have is smart baseball. As Mike pointed out, Ibanez led off. You don’t even need a HR. He can walk or single and start a rally.
Exactly, and the rhetoric of preemptively dismissing the likely counterargument as “not a valid reason” and claiming “if you can’t understand that, it’s not worth anyone trying to convince you otherwise” do not strengthen an argument.
Okay, I’m not going to change anyone’s mind. Sorry you can’t see the reasoning. And I hats to be so black/white about this to everyone :
But you’re all flat wrong if you disagree with how Girardi played it.
I’m tired of beating this dead horse.
Flat wrong because we disagree with your completely illogical, contradictory thinking?
Sure, that’s it, jackass.
Robertson looked incredibly sharp.
Izturis is rubbish.
yea, not your ideal pinch hitter
nice inning, now to get trout and potentially pujols out in the ninth
Not potentially. They will have too, unless they IBB him.
crap, i thought it was 9, 1, 2. then i guess potentially trumbo
Let’s tack on some insurance runs please.
Embedded Yankee, LaTroy Hawkins.
It’s pretty hard to believe that he’s still pitching.
…and pitching well.
You know he was once traded for David Aardsma and Jerome Williams.
If you were the Rangers would you give up Profar or Olt for Justin Upton?
Profar is far and away better than Olt.
how do they have callaspo???? if its going to be an angel, you have to make it trout. i guess thats the power of the rbi
there goes the great jeter grounding out…but give him an extension and keep batting him leadoff…jeter with 25 rbis and 7 stolen bases he sucks…
are you going all stuart a on us only with Derek?
Agnus?
/justkidding
5 RBIS, you can do it!
Oh Trout made that play! That was very impressive. Any lesser human would not have made that play. His speed made the difference!
I think I’ll play a shot game tomorrow, every time I hear Trout mentioned in a loving way, I’ll take a shot.
…be careful, I’d use something with a very low alcohol content, otherwise you might need your stomach pumped by like the 5th inning.
Forrealz. Maybe even the 3rd.
I think you’ll be blacked out by 2pm.
1:25
Sneaky move by ARod.
Nice call by A-Rod, Hawkins was asleep at the wheel.
i love and hate that arod is the yankees sb leader
A-Rod is not the hitter he was, but his baseball instincts remain the best on the team. If only there was someway to pass those on to Gardner.
Duck now….
How dare you imply anything against Gardner??? But but his speed….
j/k
He didn’t get him but that is how you throw the ball to 2nd.
That was a great throw by the catcher, Alex just beat it.
Well that’s the double edged sword with Cano
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE!!!!!!!!!! RISPFAIL RABBLE!!!
Ewwww.
Cano is allergic to walks my God. All because he wanted that RBI.
I guess ya have to take the good with the bad, blah blah blah. Still, his plate discipline makes me weary.
Holy shit, the W.B. Mason ads will creep me out even more now that Kay pointed out how much he looks like Flaherty.
What makes Soriano so tough to hit?
Sit down rook
Trout’s gone fishin’
Had to do it.
OMG he can be struck out?!?!
He’s done.
Pfft… I never saw Mantle, but I’m pretty sure he never struck out!
This rookie sucks.
A Montero shirt in the stands!
I noticed that too lol.
Guy thought he had made a fifteen year investment.
My close caption calls him Pew Holds.
My favorite was when my captions scrawled across the screen to announce the famous Yankee closer “Marijuana Marijuana” was warming up in the bullpen.
FINISH HIM
Great way to close it out.
nice series win!!!
Untuck that bitch.
Great game.
Soriano slaying bitches
Beautiful the-dog-days-are-coming-win. Thanks, Yanks!
Raffi
Great job by the bullpen today.
very good win, series win, going for the sweep
WOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Any chance Soriano opts out?
Better and better with every pitch, and that will be a good thing. Giving the Yankees a great 2012 and then opting out freeing up $14 million back would be a win-win.
I dont understand this mentality at all. Hes pitching as well as Rivera ever has, yet fans still hold his contract against him. I truly hope he stays, as a 42yr old pitcher coming back after a year off, no matter who it is, is a scary proposition as closer. Soriano is earning every penny of his money and this team would be fucked without him. There is no yankee hard cap next year, and I have absolutely no issue with them paying him to close again next year, or be part of another dominate bullpen and Rivera insurance.
Yes but Levine will resign him for 4 yrs/$60 million.
absolutely. If he keeps going as he’s going he’ll have a closing job somewhere.
I’m rooting very hard for Sori for two reasons: He helps us this year and he has such a good year that he is tempted to opt out.
Best case scenario: Yankees win WS, Sori opts out to close somewhere.
Tell me again: in your happiness, who is it that replaces Soriano? Rivera, you say? What will he be? 43? With a year away from the game because of a busted up knee?
You’re not serious, are you?
Yup, Rivera closes out in ’13.
In ’14? Robertson, maybe Joba…someone other than Sori. Nothing against him just that that money is better used elsewhere.
Ya, 14m would have been much better spent on someone else this year than Soriano. THe Yankees would have been left with Logan closing for a month when Robertson went down, had had 10 less wins. Who would you have liked the Yankees to get with that 14m, that would have been more important to the Yankees this year? The Yankees are the only team in baseball with the money to do something like they did with Soriano and it has worked. Relying on a 42 year old closer being great and healthy after missing a full season is a stretch, I dont care if it is Rivera. He could very easily get hurt again, or fall off a cliff performance wise, which is exactly the reason Sori was brought in, in the first place. Well that and having just an awful staff on paper going into last year, and the need for a dominate bullpen.
The Yankees were just fortunate to have Soriano right now on the freak injury that Mo suffered. Of course this season proves that injuries can happen but if neither Mo nor Robertson get hurt, Sori is a $14M 7th inning pitcher.
The $14M isn’t as important right now as it will be coming up when the decisions on Swisher, Cano and Granderson are up.
But, as it is now, Mo got hurt and Sori is doing a great job. It has worked out but I still think that next year, the Yankees are better with the extra cash than with Sori. Of course, if there was no $189M threshold, all this would be a moot point.
5-15 record now for the Angels at YS3.
I think 5-17, including the 2009 postseason.
I included that. 1-6 in 09 including postseason, 2-3 in 2010, 1-2 in 2011, and 1-4 this year.