Jul
14

Joba strikes out two in latest minor league rehab outing

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In his second minor league rehab outing, right-hander Joba Chamberlain struck out a pair of hitters — one swinging, one looking — in two scoreless innings for the Rookie Level Gulf Coast League Yankees. He did not allow a hit or walk a batter, but one runner reached on an error by the third baseman. His four non-strikeout outs came on ground balls. No word on Joba’s velocity or pitch count, but I suspect we’ll get some numbers later this morning.

Chamberlain started his rehab stint this past Tuesday, so his 30-day clock ends on August 9th. At that point the Yankees must activate him off the DL, assuming nothing goes wrong (not a safe assumption). Joba will probably throw another two innings in his next outing, three or four days from now.

Update: Via Erik Boland, Joba was again sitting 95 and touching 97 this morning. Good to see the pre-surgery velocity back.


Update Part Two:
Via Boland, Joba threw 25 pitches this morning including 19 strikes. No official announcement on the next step yet.

Categories : Asides, Injuries
  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    4 groundouts as well

  • dan

    Three innings into his rehab and he’s got three errors behind him by the third baseman. Conspiracy?

    • Ted Nelson

      Conspiracy would be if Andujar wanted Joba to start so he is trying to get him more stretched out…

      • Cris Pengiucci

        His next outing will be 3 innings or 40-50 pitches ….

    • RetroRob

      Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. That thirdbaseman is doing him no favors. I’m guessing they’re coming on sliders. I remember seeing a YES interview with Graig Nettles talking about how many more groundballs he’d get with Guidry and Lyle pitched, both of whom had great sliders.

  • Countryclub

    I’m pretty sure he’ll be up before 8/9. Cashman said it was a real possibility that he wouldn’t need the 30 days.

  • Skip

    Apparently Joba doesn’t need time to do much healing. I wonder if he popped out of his mother’s womb as a fully grown man.

  • Dave the Ox

    What can we say except Joba rules?

    /apologies

  • jjyank

    Awesome to see the velocity. I know TJS is more control than velocity, but still, the velo and the no walks is really encouraging. Come back soon Jobbers, we miss you.

  • Alibaba

    I know that he is heading to bullpen, but I wish that he gets another opportunity to start. I still feel that he can be a solid starter. He has been seriously mishandled by the team.

    • Gonzo

      He might get a shot with another team.

    • tremont

      I couldn’t agree more. The idea that he is a failed starter because he didn’t set the world on fire when he was 23 (and was working on a strange program) is kind of ridiculous.

    • M-Three

      Stop trying to create an issue. You and all the “Joba starter” lovers need to stop being so blind and realize that was a waste of time. Joba sucked as a starter and has shown that he belongs in the bullpen.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        The only people who are blind here are those that don’t acknowledge the only time Joba sucked as a starter was when he was on those ridiculous innings limits in late-2009.

        • Rich in NJ

          This.

        • Voice of Reason

          That’s factually inaccurate. He was a dominating starter in 2008 until he got hurt, and when he returned he wasn’t throwing the same stuff. At no point in 2009 was he anywhere near what he’d once been, and while he did get somewhat worse later in the year (though it’s mostly that his ERA became inflated rather than deflated), this notion that he was “ruined by the Joba rules!” or whatever the narrative is is simply ridiculous. He’d lost it long before those supposedly destructive innings limits.

          • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too)

            He wasn’t quite the same, but he was still good. He had a 3.58 ERA in his first 20 starts in 2009 with a .750 OPS against. Not dominant, but that’s pretty damn good in the AL East, and plenty of reason to continue to develop him as a starter.

            But then they started messing with his workload, and he started to suck. 7.69 ERA, .926 OPS against over his remaining 11 starts. So basically, they gave up on a good starter because he had a whopping 11 game stretch of bad starts when they were messing with his workload. The shoulder injury may have ended a chance of Joba being a great, top of the rotation starter, but he still had plenty of stuff to be at least a solid mid-rotation starter, which would be much, much more valuable than being just a set-up guy.

          • RetroRob

            Let’s be fair here and stop asserting the Joba Rules were the definite cause of Chamberlain’s loss of velocity, or that the Yankees mishandled him. To do so is to ignore the injury he suffered in August 2008 and how it happened, neither of which had anything to do with the Joba Rules.

            Until his velocity and command returns to pre-injury levels (they never have four years on), then dreaming on Joba-the-Starter is just that — a dream.

      • jjyank

        Joba as a starter (career)

        12-7 , 4.18 ERA , 4.17 xFIP, 8.4 K/9, 206 Ks in 221.2 innings. If that’s your definition of “sucked” for a kid in his early 20s, I’ll take a few more sucky pitchers.

        • M-Three

          How about you try actually watching the games instead just judging a pitcher by the numbers? The only reason that Joba’s ERA as a starter watch that low is because everytime he got into trouble Girardi immediately went to the bullpen. They never foced joba to show some guts and battle out of his own meeses like they have done with Nova. Aceves bailed Joba out countless times in 2009.

          This is why the majority of Yankee fan can’t stand the small minority of you guy that want Joba to start. You are all so blind to reality and just let the numbers dictate your opinion. You guys just hold you hope to that 1 start against Beckett at fenway or that 12k game, that he gave up 4 in the 1st and lost btw. Get real and grow up. Joba is where he belongs and thankfully that will never change.

          • jjyank

            LOL I do watch the games. You know where those numbers come from, right? From recording reality. Joba did very well as a starter. He got yanked early a lot because he had those ridiculous innings limits.

            I’m not sure how to argue with someone who dismisses statistics with “get real and grow up”. Sounds like you should be taking your own advice.

            • TomH

              You know where those numbers come from, right? From recording reality.

              Ahh, the statistician’s fallacy, that his numbers always “come from reality.” Ha ha. Do you statisticians ever study the critiques made of statistics since their coming into prominence in the 18th and 19th centuries? They can be an eye opener.

              • jjyank

                I have, but come on. You can’t dismiss Joba’s numbers outright and claim he was terrible, because it’s not true. I watched the games, and the numbers back it up. Claiming a “fallacy” because they don’t agree with your own argument is way dumber than relying on stats.

                • TomH

                  I didn’t say that your conclusion about Joba, from your stats, was a fallacy. I said that the notion of the stats necessarily reflecting reality (“You know where those numbers come from, right?”) was a fallacy. They MAY reflect reality in any given case, but if they necessarily did, the Democrats and Republicans would never have anything to argue about re economics or social policy.

                  • jjyank

                    Well then that’s your mistake. I’m not talking generally, I’m talking about a specific case. I have a Masters in political science, I know very well how numbers can be twisted. But in this case, there’s no twisting the numbers. All of Joba’s stats as a kid in his early 20s in the AL East suggest he could have been an above average starter. Don’t make this into a general stats vs. reality argument, because that’s not what I’m discussing.

                  • Voice of Reason

                    what the hell are you talking about? Which of the statistics he cited doesn’t reflect reality? You know full well that they all do. Why then are you talking about policy and “the statisticians’ fallacy?” Irrelevant and tiresome deflections.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    The numbers don’t lie. They have to be interpreted, though.

                    I mean you’re looking at extremely complex issues and acting like it’s the numbers’ fault that there aren’t easy answers.

                    Baseball is not economics, but the numbers still have to be put into context and interpreted.

                    Get off your high horse with fucking 1700s critiques of statistics as a science.

                  • Alkaline

                    I’ll leave this here for you. Some light reading:

                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

                  • tremont

                    Your point is a great big nothing. Evaluating a pitcher’s performance is a far simpler calculus than economic policy.

              • jjyank

                Also, what else are we supposed to go on in this situation? The human memory reaching back 3-4 years is far less reliable than Joba’s statistics.

              • tremont

                Sir, I think the dangers of statistics are that the parameters can be set arbitrarily to prove a point. None of the numbers mentioned about Joba’s pitching were seemed arbitrary to me. They addressed his performance as a starter in totality.

          • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too)

            “They never foced joba to show some guts and battle out of his own meeses like they have done with Nova.”

            Are you serious?
            Girardi had a notoriously quick hook with Nova early in his career.
            Part of the reason for the quick hooks with Joba was because he was working on strict pitch counts. Also because he was never allowed to develop fully at the minor league level. Joba showed plenty of ability as a starter to be worth continuing developing him as a starter. Jobe was very good as a starter until they started messing around giving him extra days rest in late 2009. They, like many Yankee fans, just didn’t have the patience to let a starter with less than 1 season of minor league development time to actually take some lumps and develop as a starter.

          • tremont

            By the way, Joba provided the Yankees with less value in the bullpen in 2010 than he did in the rotation in 2009. And then he got hurt as a reliever in ’11. He moved back to the pen 2.5 years ago. In that time, he hasn’t been worth 2 wins combined. So there’s that.

          • Alibaba

            I watched Joba’s games as a starter. They included they 1-0 win against Beckett in Boston, among his dominant starts. In these games, he went against the hitters.

            However, I also watched those games where he would get ahead against a hitter and then start nibbling. But, talented or not, this is very typical of a 22-year old pitcher.

            If he ever becomes a successful starter, he will need to develop a couple of off-speed pitches, because of the risk of the slider.

      • ragsNpags

        Is that you, Mike Francesa? Wasn’t it bad enough for you to disseminate your painfully ignorant baseball opinions on radio? Now you have to pollute the internet, as well?

      • Smart Guy

        Phil hughes has gotten 3rd and 4th chances, Joba sucked in a sophomore slump as many hard throwing pitchers

        In Joba we trust

        Create more Joba’s – Obama

        keep him in AAA as a starter!!!! – Me

        • FIn

          Thing was he wasnt a hard thrower at the end of his starting carrer. He was sitting at 91 and had concerns about his shoulder. While Joba has been a very effective reliever he hasnt been dominate, I havent seen anything out of him as a reliever that has me wishing for him as a starter. The only thing that has me wishing for him as a starter is his ability before the injury in Texas. I dont think we have seen that Joba since.

    • Andruw’s Smile

      I too would have liked to have seen Joba as a starter, but I trust the Yankees doctors and front office guys more than myself, and if they believe his shoulder wouldn’t have held up as a starter, than I’m with them too.

  • The Moral Majority is Neither

    Joba seems to be a lizard healer, like Dustin Pedroia.

    • don

      but is he gritty?

      • gc

        He’s grunty. And farty.

  • Kel

    I can’t believe the guy went from his career nearly being over to miraculously looking like he will pitch this year. Instead of being happy, some Yankee fans are already bitching about wanting to start him. #OnlyYankeefans

    • gc

      Agreed. At this point after all that’s happened, I’m just happy the guy is out there pitching again! I never expected any possibility of pitching for the team this year, but rather taking all the season and off-season to work his way back. And now we may be able to see him actually contribute THIS year?? Astounding! I can’t wait for the day he gets called in from the bullpen at Yankee Stadium. Man, that should be a pretty special moment!

  • Preston

    We always seem to talk about what Joba isn’t and why. I for one am excited to see what he is again. He’s one of my favorite pitchers to watch and I can’t wait until he’s fist pumping and racking up Ks in YS again.

    • RetroRob

      I reset my expectations of Joba about two years back. Some people just can’t let 2007 go.

      If he ever shows the arm strength and velocity he once had, then I’d be fine with having him move back into the rotation. Hell, I’d be fine if they wanted to stretch him out next spring even if his starting fastball velocity is still sitting at 92 or so. With Pineda existing as an unknown for the first part of the season, a strong argument could be made that they should stretch Joba out to fill Pineda’s spot until he’s ready…if he’s ever ready. Yet if they do so people should manage their expectations. Joba as a front-end starter is the equivalent of Monty Python’s Black Knight.

  • Ralph

    Joba, the anti-Pavano.

    • Don

      Joba was always projected as a starter coming up. I would like to see him get another shot next spring when possibly Petitte and Garcia are gone.. He had some real success as a starter. However, you can’t ignore why he was taken out of the rotation. It was not the Joba rules. He wasn’t throwing strikes. His pitch count was in the 90′s in the fourth and fifth inning and he was heading in the wrong direction. The Yankees were getting lots of pitches but no innings from him. He was burning out the bullpen. If you remember his velocity had dropped drastically.. Now he seems to be healthy with all kinds of talent. If the Yankees used the same philosophy with Phil Hughes he would not have turned it around. Some guys careers are not simply a straight line. You have to stay with them. He has demonstrated off the chart talent.