Jul
28

Yanks come back against Red Sox, lose anyway

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Source: FanGraphs

Well that was unfortunate. The Yankees battled back from a big-ish deficit against the Red Sox on Saturday night but where unable to squeeze out the win after going into the ninth inning tied. Bah, whatever. Let’s recap…

  • Two Outs: CC Sabathia allowed six runs in six innings but the worst part is that five of the six runs scored with two outs. He left way too many pitches middle-middle in the three-run first, including the pitch Will Middlebrooks hit for a two-out, two-run double. The three-run fifth inning rally started with a dinky little two-out ground ball single from Pedro Ciriaco and ended with a hanging curveball that Adrian Gonzalez hit for a three-run dinger. Sabathia was fantastic in every other inning but that doesn’t really matter. He hasn’t had a even a decent start against the Red Sox since 2010. Might be time to tinker with the game plan, no?
  • When In Doubt, Bunt!: The Yankees were down 6-1 in the fifth but the first four batters of the inning reached base, including a two-run homer by Jayson Nix. With men on first and second with no outs, Chris Stewart — who homered in the third — bunted the men over. Derek Jeter drove in one run with a ground ball and that’s all they got. You play for one run and you get one run, so mission accomplished. Swing the damn bat in the fifth (!!!) inning.
  • Tie Game: The best part wasn’t Mark Teixeira‘s game-tying two-run homer off Vicente Padilla, it’s that he pimped it. The ball was very clearly gone off the bat and he walked out of the box, a good five or six steps. Teixeira never does that. Even better, after the game he said he just didn’t want to waste energy in case the ball went foul. Too bad they lost, that homer had Best Moment of the Year potential.
  • Flopped: At the end of the day, the Yankees lost because Curtis Granderson is a poor defensive center fielder who got turned around on a fly ball/line drive (fliner?) from Ciriaco with a man on first and one out in the ninth, allowing it to fall in for a three-base error. Rafael Soriano didn’t help matters by walking Jacoby Ellsbury, one of the game’s best base-stealers, with one out in a tie game. Dustin Pedroia drove in the insurance run with a sacrifice fly but the damage was already done, Granderson has to catch that ball. If he does, the game is completely different.
  • Leftovers: David Phelps bridged the gap between Sabathia and Soriano and looked pretty awesome, striking out three in two scoreless … the Yankees only had six hits, including the homers by Stewart, Nix, and Teixeira … Granderson very narrowly missed two homers in the same at-bat against Padilla, but both hooked just foul … Ichiro Suzuki singled during that fifth inning at-bat and has exactly one hit in all five games with New York … Nick Swisher pinch-hit in the ninth, his first appearance since suffering the mild hip flexor strain back in Oakland.

MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs the nerd score, and ESPN the updated standings. The Orioles lost to the Athletics, so the lead in the division remains nine games. The Red Sox crawled to within eleven. The Yankees will look to take the rubber game behind Hiroki Kuroda on Sunday, the ESPN Night Game. Felix Doubront will be on the mound for Boston.

Categories : Game Stories

160 Comments»

  1. teddy says:

    the yanks didn’t win because cc sabathia can’t compete against the redsox

  2. Brian S. says:

    I have a serious question though. Game one of the playoffs do you start Andy Pettitte? Make CC the 2nd or 3rd starter? This ‘give up an assload of runs, go 6 or 7 innings anyways just so people call you a horse’ thing he does against Boston and the last two playoffs is really annoying.

    • forensic says:

      You could make an argument for Kuroda right now, but how about letting Pettitte actually come back and show he’s healthy and effective before bothering to declare him the playoff ace.

      • Brian S. says:

        Well this is all assuming that he pitches like he did before the injury. I don’t think he will miss a beat because it’s not like he hurt his arm or anything.

        • forensic says:

          It’s possible, but it’s still his push-off ankle and he’s probably going to have less than a month from when he comes back to when the playoffs start. That’s not much time after missing a couple of months.

          • Anthony says:

            I hope he can make it back. I would not feel as confident with both Hughes and Nova in the postseason rotation. We both know the problems with each: Nova with XBH, and Hughes with the home run ball. Ideally we’d have CC, Hirok, Andy, and one of the two. I wonder who people would prefer between Phil and Nova?

            • Get Phelps Up says:

              Right now, I would prefer Hughes because he’s been so good over his last 10 starts. Of course that’s definitely subject to change over the next 2 months.

      • Mike Axisa says:

        Because Pettitte’s never had a bad game in the playoffs, duh!

        • forensic says:

          Yeah, he’s had plenty of blow-ups, but to be fair, his career postseason ERA is still a full run lower than CC’s, who’s been far from a postseason ace in his career.

          • Mike Axisa says:

            Pettitte’s playoff ERA is identical to his regular season ERA, and he’s thrown 200 more postseason innings than CC. Given Sabathia enough playoff innings and his numbers will look just like his regular season ones. It happens with with everyone.

            • forensic says:

              I disagree with that theory, but to each their own. I just don’t think you can treat these players as robots, and too many people try to do that these days.

              • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (former Manny's BanWagon) says:

                I agree with you.

                When the pressure is on, some players rise up and others shrink. The stats guys would like for you to believe there is no such thing as clutch and with a big enough sample size it would all even out, but I think that’s bullshit. There’s examples in all sports from Eli Manning to Robert Horry to Billy Smith to Reggie Jackson, players whose performance becomes much better in the postseason.

                • Twains Yankee says:

                  Conformation Bias

                • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

                  Reggie had about as many bad postseason series as he had good ones.

                • Evan3457 says:

                  While Reggie’s World Series numbers and performance are certainly great, you might want to check out his ALCS performance, against pitchers from his own league, who knew better than to throw him a fastball in a spot that he could do something with.

              • RetroRob says:

                Right. You can’t treat them as robots, as you are with Pettitte. You’re assuming he’ll pitch a good game, and you’re assuming CC won’t. CC was great in 2009 in the playoffs, he can be fine in the 2012 postseason. If you’re focused on starting an injured pitcher in Andy Pettitte in game one above CC then you’re focused on the the wrong thing. Pettitte may very well be the third starter.

                • forensic says:

                  Um, I was no where near assuming Pettitte would pitch a good game and CC wouldn’t. I’m the first one who questioned why he would start Pettitte over Sabathia. I was simply making a point that Mike’s sarcasm about Pettitte doesn’t necessarily make him a worse postseason choice over Sabathia and that I think there are differences in how players react to the postseason, regardless of what certain stats and writers may try to tell you.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      You’re out of your mind. Start your best pitcher in Game One, period. His record against the Red Sox these last two years is completely irrelevant.

      • Brian S. says:

        Andy might be our best pitcher. Better K/BB ratio and ERA.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          Andy has one functioning leg.

          • Brian S. says:

            Right now. It should be functioning in October just fine.

            • Mike Axisa says:

              Said the same thing about his groin in 2010.

              • Brian S. says:

                He was good in the playoffs in 2010.

                • Mike Axisa says:

                  The Yankees played nine games and he made two starts because his groin, hamstring, and back were barking. Do you think the Yankees really wanted to start Hughes in Game Two of the ALCS?

                  • Jacob says:

                    I forgot about that sorry Mike

                  • Kramerica Industries says:

                    Pettitte started Game 2 against Minnesota.

                    I subscribe to the theory that Pettitte started Game 3 to neutralize Texas’ LH power in lefty-friendly Yankee Stadium.

                    Unfortunately, Hughes absolutely shat the bed in both games he started in Texas and gave his team no chance to win.

              • Jacob says:

                Fairly mike his groin was fine in october he had 2 good games and we gave him no run in the second game and he allowed a HR to hamilton his combined stats were 2 starts 14IP 4ER

                • Brian S. says:

                  It’s too bad Girardi didn’t realize that Hughes was shot well before the playoffs started. If we only had a different #2 starter that year…

                  • Get Phelps Up says:

                    Andy started Game 3 in the ALCS because his back was bothering him. If I remember correctly, he might not have been able to pitch if there was a game 7.

                  • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

                    In fairness, Hughes didn’t exactly look “shot” in the ALDS.

                  • Jacob says:

                    It was andy, and we still would of lost, the bats just never showed up and the pen broke down beside Kerry Wood and Mo

                  • Jacob says:

                    Sabathia was also very bad in the ALCS and other than ’09 and one start against the twins he has not been so stellar in the postseason but I expect that corrrect(this year please big guy!)

                    • DT says:

                      he pitched 8.2 innings last year, 16 the year before. Almost half his postseason innings came in 2009 where he was amazing. So it’s not far fetched that he can easily put up another 2009 performance in the postseason.

                    • Mike Axisa says:

                      Sabathia has started ten playoff games for the Yankees and they’ve won eight. The two losses were Game One of the 2009 World Series (Cliff Lee dominated) and Game Three of the 2011 ALDS (Young homered off Soriano in the seventh).

                    • forensic says:

                      So, Sabathia gets credit for Nova being awesome in game 1 vs. Detroit? He gets credit for allowing 4 runs in 5.1 innings in game 3? Not to mention getting smacked around in game 5. Credit for 5 runs in 4 innings in game 1 against texas (2010)?

                      You’re stretching it quite a bit there, Mike.

                    • RetroRob says:

                      You think Mike is stretching things because he believes the #1 starter, who shouldered the heaviest load to help deliver the last world championship, should be the #1 starter in the postseason as opposed Andy Pettite, who took a full year off and has had substantial injuries his other two seeasons?

                      In case you forgot, there were questions of how many games Pettitte could even start in the 2010 postseason. He’s great to have, but pray is not forced into being the #1 because that means something horrible has happened.

                    • forensic says:

                      This is twice now. Again, I am not the one who started this and said to start Pettitte over Sabathia, I’m the one who questioned it. I said one thing in fairness to Pettitte and that was when Mike was sarcastically commenting about Pettitte never pitching poorly in the postseason as his support for Sabathia while completely ignoring the poor starts that Sabathia has also had.

    • DT says:

      No…first off we’re not likely to face Boston again in the postseason. Second he’s thrown 86 innings in the postseason…which is a relatively small sample size. Third, he was money for us in 2009, regardless of what his post season ERA was. It’s not an indicator for future performance, nor does it tells us how he’ll pitch this season. Plus looking at xFIP he hasn’t been terrible. And finally why would you want to start a pitcher who just came back from injury.

    • RetroRob says:

      You crazy.

  3. Rey22 says:

    Let’s not get carried away here, I know he had a homerun, but it IS Chris Stewart we’re talking about. I had no problem with the bunt coming from him and turning the lineup over. Better than a double play.

    • rogue says:

      Neither did I.

      Jeter is a GIDP waiting to happen. Because of the bunt, the expected grounder resulted in a RBI.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      There’s about a 9% chance Stewart bangs into a double play and about a 27% chance he does something positive based on his career to date (not the hugest sample, I know).

      • RetroRob says:

        Well, if I’m reading how everything unfolded, he did advance the runner which led to an RBI.

        Statistically, the odds are quite high the Yankees would have had one less run if Stewart swung away. I’m not a fan of bunts, but I’m not 100% opposed to them depending on the situation and the hitter.

      • Cuso says:

        The hell are you basing those random percentages on? Because in 9% of his historical ABs he hits into a double play?

        Wherever you got those percentages, they come across as just flat arbitrary and meaningless.

        To make a big deal about the bunt there is ridiculous. Why? Simple.

        “The pissed off you’d have been if he swung away and GIDP” is far greater than “the pissed off you are now.”

        The “it’s the 5th inning – swing the damn bat” theory is hollow. Because…..it IS the 5th inning. You figure you’re going to get other scoring opportunities and you want to get “something” here. A GIDP represents near assurance that you get no runs. And a typical Stewart AB that is NOT a GIDP represents no movement on the bases by the runners.

        He got the runners over. Productive out. Stupid thing to bitch about.

        • TCMiller30 says:

          I think there’a a number of things that were stupid about that bunt. We were down by 5 runs in the 5th inning. It’s not really the time to play for 1 run in my opinion. The 4 batters to lead off the inning got on base, why give Lester a free out? His control didn’t seem to be there, which was on full display when his first pitch to Stewart was about 3 feet out of the zone. Lastly, his last at bat he hit a homerun. I’m not saying I’d expect him to connect on another one, but it’s not crazy to think that maybe he was able to pick the ball up out of the pitchers hand early.

          The biggest thing for me was that everyone was reaching base and Lester wasn’t locating. Then as soon as he let that one sail out of the zone, but saw Stewart square to bunt, you could almost feel like he thought, “He’s gonna bunt? Great, I’ll just grove one and take the free out.” That pitch was right down the middle. I’d rather have my hitter swing the bat.

  4. dkidd says:

    prediction: sox win the series, decide not to hold a necessary fire sale before the deadline, and remain mediocre for years

  5. Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

    Moving forward, if the Yankees decide to resign Granderson, I think they need to view him as a left fielder because his defense in CF is pretty mediocre and it’s no aberration that his defensive metrics are terrible.

    If Brett Gardner is going to be penciled in next year as a near every day player, he should be playing CF and Grandy left field.

    • rogue says:

      Granderson isn’t worth re-signing for big money. His K%, lack of range, and inability to hit to all fields, makes him not worth breaking the bank.

      • DT says:

        Wow you are a fool.

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          No, he is a troll. If we act upset he gets what he wants.

          You know the saying: “Don’t Feed the Trolls!”.

        • forensic says:

          What makes someone a fool for not wanting to sign someone who is going to be played out of position and is a one-dimensional player (and largely at home too) for big money over his age 33-37 or 38 seasons? I don’t see a problem with having that opinion.

          • DT says:

            Because the reasons he’s listed are dubious reasons to not e-sign Grandy.

            His K% means nothing if he’s walking a lot and has a decent OBP and hits for power. (his K% is not much higher than it was last year)

            Him being a pull hitter is pointless…should the yankees avoid all pull hitters because they don’t to the oppo field often? Plus Granderson’s power away from home is overstated, he has hit 11 home runs away from YS and is still a good hitter. In fact last year his splits were even.

            The point of defense is a concern, but can be mitigated if they do move him from CF. Plus he didn’t list Age as a factor, which would be the biggest reason NOT to sign Grandy.

            • jim says:

              Grandy, like Singy said, has to start swinging at strikes. But, I sort of lost some respect for him in that he just didn’t own up to misplaying an out.

    • DT says:

      They need to re-evaluate where he’s positioned in CF. He was fine in 2009 and his time in Detroit (aside from one year). Then last year he started to play shallow and from what i’ve seen thus far, he really been bad at judging balls hit over his head since he started to play shallow. Girardi needs to sit him down and tell him to stop doing it or else they move him to the corners.

  6. teddy says:

    9m Mark Teixeira Mark Teixeira ?@teixeiramark25

    Tough night for the @Yankees but we will get them tomorrow. Anybody else think my homer was going foul in the 8th inning?

  7. Dino Velvet says:

    BBTN: Red Sox are back! They were breathless over at ESPN. Literally. Sutcliffe actually compared them to last year’s Cardinals, and the show’s host said (and I quote), “the Yankees are sliding”. “Sliding”! “Sliding”! They really said the Yankees are “sliding”. They weren’t joking. They were serious.

    Never mind that the Red Sox are 7-13 in their last 20 games, over at ESPN they’re on the verge of another championship.

    • The Real Greg says:

      See I told you the media would say “The Dream is Alive”

    • Anthony says:

      Buck did the same thing at the end of the game, with the comparison to the Cards last year. Sigh. 18.2% POFF last time I checked…we’ll see what happens.

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:

      In fairness, we just lost 7 out of 10. We ARE sliding.

      The ridiculous part is assuming after ONE win that the Red Sox are now comparable to last year’s Cardinal’s. That statement is BEYOND ridiculous.

      • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

        6 out of 10

        • Brian S. says:

          6 out of 9. 69.

          • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

            And they’ve now won 3 of 5.

          • Rocky Road Redemption says:

            (working it out in my head) Five losses in a row from Angels series to A’s series. 2 wins and a loss in Seattle.

            That’s 2 wins and 6 losses, plus a win yesterday and a loss today. 3 wins, 7 losses.

            Where did I mess up?

            • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

              The sweep of Toronto between the Angels and A’s.

              • Rocky Road Redemption says:

                Ah, yes, that would change things. From that series:

                3 against Toronto (3 games)

                0 against A’s (4 games)

                2 against Seattle (3 games)

                1 against Boston (2 games)

                So over the past 12 (admittedly arbitrarily chosen) games we are 6 and 6. I suppose you could argue that that’s “sliding”, but it’s not exactly free falling anyway.

                • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

                  I would say they slid in the Oakland series, but were fine before that, and have been fine (so far) since.

                • Evan3457 says:

                  Oh, come on; they played .730 ball for nearly two months, and then they got swept one series by the A’s, and since that series, they’re 3-2.

    • NEPA Yankee says:

      Don’t know if you saw the post game, but Joe Buck actually started the Sox/2011 Cardinals comparison. Amazing!

  8. Kramerica Industries says:

    Oh God, just saw the Granderson mishap.

    Every baseball coach in America is an awe at the fundamental mistake he made, not in taking a step in and retreating, but turning to his right on a ball that ended up on his left. I mean, unless there was some severe topspin that made the ball knuckle out in that direction in an unanticipated form, that’s one thing. I doubt there was anything severe enough to completely fool some one who’s fielded thousands upon thousands of fly balls in his life, however. Pure inexcusable fielding there by Granderson, and back around the time of the Granderson trade, the idea of “[Granderson] playing CF might cost the Yankees one or two more runs over the course of the season compared to Gardner”. Well, consider that one of those proverbial runs tonight. And that run cost them the game.

    Right on about the Teixeira comment. In a quarter of a second, the Stadium had exploded, and it would’ve been another fantastic win over the Red Sox in a season that has had a few of them already. Oh well. Win tomorrow, take the series, and move forth from there. Probably would’ve felt like a worse loss had I been able to watch it, but probably would’ve felt like a better win too, in that case.

  9. Mrpappageorgio says:

    Well, it’d be nice to have a true ace on this staff. C.C. is not an ace. We’ll see if he decides to show up this fall.

    • 28 thisyear says:

      He hasnt hit that stride this year but if what he’s done in the last three years is anything short of ace like, you’re ace standards don’t actually exist in this world. He just needs to find his stride.

    • Jacob says:

      You sir are and idiot

    • DT says:

      You really hasn’t seen what he’s done in the last 3 months have you? One bad start and suddenly he’s not an ace.

    • chuck says:

      I don’t think a ton of CC. He’s good and all.. but as far as best staff aces he doesn’t come to mind first.

      • Darren says:

        exactly. You know how you know CC’s not a true ace? what’s the first thing people point to when they mention his qualities?
        the fact that he’s a horse.
        he’s close to an innings eater like Steve Trachsel than he is Clemens, Gooden or Beckett in their primes.

        does CC even have a dominant pitch? i would be hard pressed to name his signature. he is boring and has no style.

        • Tremont says:

          Now we are judging pitchers on style points? CC is a top 10 pitcher. The definition of “true ace” is arbitrary, and I find the term rather unenlightening. What does it mean to you?

          • Darren says:

            Yeah, of course we judge pitchers on style points! it’s always been that way and always will be. You don’t think Goose is viewed more favorably because of his menacing stare and 100 mph fastball that he would have been if he was a Trevor Hoffman type?

            true ace is someone with a devastating first pitch and a second pitch that is almost as effective. Someone who rises to the occasion is big moments frequently. Someone who, when the Yanks get 1 or 2 runs, can be counted on to shut down the other team with zero or 1 run.

            I just don’t think CC is any of these things. He’s boring. Look, he’s a “#1″ pitcher, and he certainly has done what you expected of him, but he’s not an ace like Guidry, Seaver, Ryan, Weaver, Verlander, etc.

  10. 28 thisyear says:

    This was the best deploy,emt of Phelps that Girardi would actually do because it’s not unconventional. Use phelps to keep a game close and bridge from starter to top relievers if the Yankees comeback. If not, Phelps finishes the game and the bullpen is fresh for the two days at minimum rinse and repeat.

  11. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    2nd Repost, because I still think it’s relevant:

    What’s funny is that everybody (re: FOX and ESPN) is talking about how *this specific game* in *this specific series* is so important.

    That would be true if they had any real shot at the division (pardon me for challenging the fates, I’ll take my chances). They’re really going for the wildcard, and since the Yankees don’t need to worry about that a win against the Yanks has no more significance than a win against any other team.

    The only reason people are acting as if this series is sooooo important compared to every other series is that they’re preconditioned to believe that Yankees-Red Sox games *must* have a special importance. But this one really doesn’t.

  12. Jacob says:

    CC better not allow a single run in his next start or you will see me troll more than anyone has ever trolled in the entire history of this thread (non named stuart or Eddard anyway, that is impossible)

  13. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Recap in four words: Granderson dropped a ball.

    We whip their asses tomorrow. Good night.

    • Jacob says:

      +1 C’ya RT

    • forensic says:

      So, Sabathia allowing 6 or more runs to the Red Sox for the 4th time in 5 starts had nothing to do with it?

      • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

        That it was the 4th time in 5 starts definitely had nothing to do with it. That he allowed 6 runs did.

        • forensic says:

          Parse it how you’d like, sorry for missing the commas, but there is a pattern forming and it’s not a good one, should it continue, obviously.

          • Evan3457 says:

            And that pattern truly matters if the Yanks face the Sox in the playoffs. Otherwise…meh.

            • forensic says:

              This group of comments wasn’t about the playoffs though. And it doesn’t only matter at that point. It also matters in the potential 6 starts he has against them every regular season.

  14. pistol pete says:

    Girardi needs to put Ichiro in the one hole and Cano 3rd until Arod returns. It lengthens the lineup and gets Cano up in the first inning with protection from Tex who’s hot. Grandy in the 5 hole fits better with his avg and power and provides plenty of protection for Tex. Tonight Andruw Jones batted behind Cano, absurd. I just don’t understand why Girardi keeps fucking around with where Cano bats. Bat him 3rd and let everyone else fall in around that, simple. He’s our best hitter and needs to get comfortable there vs rightys and leftys and bat in the first inning every game. Ichiro is a waste where he’s batting him. Either one or nine, every other position is senseless and wastes his speed.

  15. stuart a says:

    why do you guys care about what ESPn and others say?

    The yanks gave away a game. CC has not been very good in his last 2 starts mainly the last start.

    the world is not ending and yes Grandy should have made the catch…

    they will be fine….redsux are 10 behind why even think about them…..

  16. People are clamoring to get rid of Grandy when his contract is up…I think it would be a bad move, only because as of now the only CF free agents next offseason are Jacoby Ellsbury and a bunch of nothing.

    • forensic says:

      The guy currently on their LF depth chart doesn’t count?

    • Need Pitching (and maybe hitting too) says:

      I wouldn’t really be interested in signing Granderson as a FA centerfielder. I would be interested in resigning Granderson as a power-hitting corner OF if the years/$ were right. I’m hoping Gardner comes back healthy (and actually stays healthy) and can act as the CF bridge until Williams or someone else can take over.

  17. stuart a says:

    he is not going to bat ichiro 1st against lefties. against lefties for the season he has been horrible, reALLY horrible…

  18. Btw, love the fact soooo many people were just waiting for Soriano to fail against the Red Sox or some other “big game” to just blast him. Guys, Mo isn’t coming back this year. Soriano has done a damn good job filling in, and has probably been a top 5 closer since taking over. Is he making a shit ton of money? Fuck yeah he is. In my mind every single player who is making more than a million dollars a season to PLAY A GAME are over paid. But you know what? It’s not my money, and it’s not yours either, and it’s not like he’s not earning it or his contract is preventing (or prevented) the Yankees from going after a player. So chill the fuck out.

  19. Kottaras is officially off the table, he’s with the Athletics. It’s looking more and more like that the Stuart/Martin AAAA show is staying for the entire season.

    • I’m convinced, Chris Stewart and Russel Martin must have dirty pictures of Brian Cashman somewhere. As far as the Yankees are concerned, they’re still a very good team, but Kottaras would have been an excellent way to improve what has otherwise been a black hole in the line up for next to nothing.

      • forensic says:

        Was there ever really a question that they would stay around all year? Dumping Stewart is about as easy a move as a franchise could make, and dumping Martin isn’t exactly the toughest thing either. It’s pretty clear that Cashman, and especially Girardi, love the no-hit catchers if they’ve convinced themselves that they call a good game or play good defense, whether they actually do or not…

        • I thought maybe when Swish went down the first time, they’d do something. Then Again when Martin proved he wont hit over .200 this season, I thought they might try to get someone. Then when Alex got hurt I thought ok, they’ll definitely get at least a third baseman and/or a BUC who can hit a little bit to offset Alex’s injury. I’ve been wrong at every turn. Now if both Stewart and Martin where top flight at throwing out runners, blocking balls, and the like that would be a different story. I don’t care if they supposedly “call great games” 3 of the 5 starters are established veterans who probably call their own game to begin with. They are both objectively terrible at just about every aspect, except Stewart is BABIP lucky and Martin has a bit of power.

          • forensic says:

            Unfortunately, with every situation you noted that may increase the probability of a change, it was undone by the team playing better and the season being closer to expanded rosters.

            Obviously, in a different context you would never complain about the team being better with a bigger lead closer to the end of the season, but in this one situation it sucks.

          • Get Phelps Up says:

            I personally was wanting them to sign Humberto Quintero to replace Stewart for quite some time, but then the Brewers picked him up. I mean, the backup C isn’t something I want to get too worked up over, but when there are/were obvious and cheap upgraded out there, you should take them.

            • Get Phelps Up says:

              *upgrades

            • Kosmo says:

              I´m not a big fan of Stewart but to claim Quintero is a significant upgrade is a stretch. Quintero is a career .234 hitter with an obp of .267, .323 slg, .590 ops and strikes out a ton. Kottaras could have been a slightly better upgrade over Stewart. He is a better hitter.
              I would think at this point NY will continue on with Martin and Stewart. Romine will be a September callup.

  20. RetroRob says:

    Caught part of the game at a restaurant that had the game playing in the background with no sound. I looked up in the 9th to see Granderon moving backwards while his body was twisting, clearly trying to recover from a bad read. I knew he was never going to catch the ball from his body language. I don’t think I’ve ever seen Granderson look so awkward on a ball.

  21. Reality says:

    Mike couldn’t run the bases once without collapsing, let alone catch a pop fly to center, so to say Granderson is “poor” defensively might be a stretch. (I know, he’s a professional baseball payer and you’re not. Blah blah blah. Although I don’t see him on here critiquing your short sighted writing) He might not be Andruw Jones in his prime, but let’s have some perspective here instead of jumping on a guy who has definitely made some big plays for the Yanks defensively, and has also been one of their biggest run producers. Someone is letting the emotions of a loss to Red Sox game get to them a tad too much. As stated earlier, if we’re dolling out blame, CC gets the majority on this one.

    • Tremont says:

      Fangraphs has Granderson costing the Yankees 16.8 runs with his defense this year. He’s been bad enough defensively that despite his offensive production, he’s been a run of the mill center fielder in terms of overall value. His defense is an issue. At least it has been this season.

  22. Kosmo says:

    Sabathia has given up 17 1st inning ER this season, 1/3 his total ER for the season.

  23. JohnC says:

    Geez, Granderson makes so many greta plays out there and he misplays 1 ball and some of you are killing him. Unbelievable! Guy is human. Get a life some of you!!

  24. Bavarian Yankee says:

    seems like every other of Sabathia’s start against the Sawx ends in a disaster.

    btw: I can’t believe how some guys rip Granderson apart because he made one mistake. He IS a centerfielder and he’s still a good one. He definitly passes the eye test and everybody makes mistakes every now and then. This was his 1st one of the season and some people act like there’s Jorge Posada in CF.

    • Tremont says:

      I don’t think he passes the eye test. He gets some bad reads on balls and doesn’t have a good arm.

    • OldYanksFan says:

      Grandy IS a lot like a younger Bernie. He makes what look like great plays… diving and covering vast distances in the OF. But he does get a bad read on many fly balls and takes a false first step. That bad first step is the difference between having to dive to make a ‘great play’ vs coasting under the ball for a somewhat routine catch.

      And of course, like Bernie, as he ages and his speed declines, he will be more exposed.

      I love the guy and has been the 2nd most valuable Yankee these 2 years… but looking at 2014 and ahead, his defense has to be taken into account.

      Gritner has to play CF next year.
      Maybe Grandy will get better reads in LF.

  25. COME ON! says:

    So if Granderson is so bad in CF, why did the Yankees choose to play him there over Gardner? There’s got to be a reason. Unless a bunch of dudes on a message board know more than the Yankees. (BTW, I’m not arguing that Granderson is a better defensive player than Gardner). FanGraphs says he’s cost the Yankees 17 runs this year? Give me a break. So many of you buy into stats WAYYYYY too much. If FanGraphs says so it must be true!!! Word of god!!!

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