Game 119: Finish Them


(Mike Stobe/Getty)

The Yankees are sitting pretty with a six-game lead in the division while their greatest rival toils in fourth place with a sub-.500 record. This series means little in the grand scheme of things, but the Bombers have a chance to absolutely bury the Red Sox and remove the tiny little bit of hope they have left in their season. No mercy. Here’s the starting nine…

DH Derek Jeter
1B Nick SwisherMark Teixeira‘s wrist is acting up again
2B Robinson Canolooks like the neck is fine
RF Andruw Jones
3B Casey McGehee
CF Curtis Granderson
Russell Martin
SS Jayson Nix
LF Ichiro Suzuki

RHP Phil Hughes

Tonight’s game is scheduled to start a little after 7pm ET and can be seen on My9 locally and MLB Network nationally. Enjoy.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. newguy says:

    Ok I hate when the game is on MY9. I don’t know if it just me, but I dont have the option to make it HD. Either Comcast is screwing by not making it available or MY9 just sucks for not offering it. Any suggestions?

  2. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Would be really nice to see a strong bounce back start from Hughes.
    Can’t say I’m optimistic that it will happen.

  3. Big Member says:

    Today is firday august 17th. we are approxiamtely 81% done with the season. Yanks have been playing good but not great. Yesterday’s loss is an example of it. “Why do not the yankees play great big member?” you may ask. I have decided to take time and analyzed our team and came to the concussion that the answer lies in the depth of our outfield…

    Lets look at 2 players

    Number 1: 235 AVG, 135 K

    Number 2: .293 avg, 34 HR

    who are these people big member? you may ask. Well I can give you some hints. Number1 strikes out half the time he goes out to hit. his batting average is also very low. Well player number 2 had a .304 AVG and hit 32 home runs in his rookie year. He has won an MVP award. He has been an ALL Star for 5 straight years. Number 2 has also won a MVP award and hit 40 or so home runs out of the yankee stadium 1 in 2009 DURING 1 seession of the home run derby. Hm you would say why big member if only player number 2 we can have and only if we can give away number 1…I would repliy that we can actually have player 1. Beacuse he will be a free agent.

    That right falks its time for me to reveal hat player number 2 is none other than Josh Hamilton the man who crushed the Yanks last series. He is destined to be a free agent this year. Its very obvius that Yanks would love to have his bat. But as a baseball expert i know that yanks want to loose some budget money. I dont know why but Yanks are dead sat on spening less money. Well big member you may ask how will the yanks spend less money AND get Joshy? I have the answetr for you…

    Player number 1 is none other than Curtis Grabnderson. Next year, he pay check is 13 million doallars. Should a player who is hitting .235 with 68 RBI be earning 13 milion dollares?

    The answer is no. BUT there are teams who need even bad outfielders like Grabnderson. The San Francisco Giants are famous for their extravagent pitching but they are also notorioues for the terrible hitting. Giants will squal for the chance to aquire him. We should make them pay him his money and get a good player in return. Well who will we get in return big member you will ask. I have spend hours scouted Giants roster and found a good player who will fit good onm the Yankees. His name is Mad Bum’s Garden or Madison Bumgarner as his parents have named him He has 13 wins and an ERA under 3. Perfect fit for the Ynaks.

    The next step is to aquire Hamilton. If I were Hamilton, I would love to have a chance to play in new york. First, he will have freedom to do whatever he desires. Oh big member dont you know that he drinks haha. Well I dont see a problem with that. He has been an all star every year he has played. Look at Miguel Cabreara a famous drinker. He is one of the best hitters in the game. If anything, its much easier to find a liquior store in the Bronz rather than drive 20 miles in Texas to the nearest city. Also, the unlimited booze will only make Joshy better. Due to this great opportunity, Josh will take any deal. I think the Yanks can give him 5 years, 50 million total. They will save 3 million from trading Grabderson too!

    Lets look at the results
    Yanks get: Powerhouse hitter best in the game, solid back of the rotation pitcher, 3 million

    Thus imprving the team significantly

  4. jjyank says:

    I posted this in the series preview thread, but considering the title, and the fact that I enjoy it, I will post this link again:,s:0,i:81

  5. Brian S. says:

    So we get to avoid Big Sloppy this weekend?

  6. The Guns of Navarone says:

    For the love of God use that changeup Phil.

  7. jjyank says:

    Swish loves him some garbage time!

  8. The Real Greg says:

    Swisher’s on a roll

  9. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Great AB


  10. Mike N says:


  11. Get Phelps Up says:

    Swisher has been a godsend for my fantasy team this week.

    • jjyank says:

      Same here. Especially since he went from being one of my UTIL players to my first baseman with Votto on the DL for me.

  12. sangreal says:

    en fuego

  13. The Real Greg says:

    So Cano and Grandy slumping of late, and yet we’ve been winning games

  14. Mike N says:

    I missed the top of the inning. How is Hughes’s breaking stuff?

  15. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Nice play Russ, but what the hell was McGehee doing?

  16. jjyank says:

    Couple of good looking change ups in that AB.

  17. Mike N says:

    Hughes looked good that inning!

  18. Chilango says:

    Hughes actually looks like a ML pitcher tonight. Let’s keep it up Phil..

  19. Mike N says:

    RED SOCKS! By far.

  20. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    9(!) changeups so far for Hughes, only 1 curve
    The change looks pretty sharp.

  21. The Real Greg says:

    Its the Red Sox because the Mets usually beat themselves

  22. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    I really hate that guy.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      I’m amazed how much I’ve grown to hate this guy who I didn’t even know existed before July of this year.

  23. The Real Greg says:

    Are we sure this guy Ciriaco is crap?

  24. Need Pitching & Hitting says:



  25. Mike N says:


  26. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Damn, I switched from TV to radio about 3 seconds before Granderson’s homer because my connection was about to get slow. Should’ve waited 3 more seconds.

  27. Mike N says:


  28. Jag says:

    MARTIN! Back to back!!!

  29. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Too many HR’s. :)

  30. jjyank says:

    Someone call an ambulance for Betty Lizard!

  31. jjyank says:

    damn it they must play 5 innings!!

  32. Pat D says:

    There’s no way they’re completing this game. It’s still raining where I live in PA.

  33. flamingo says:

    Wow, Martin.

  34. The Real Greg says:

    The fact that they haven’t gone to a rain delay tells me their finishing this game one way or another

  35. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    It would be a real shame for all of this to go to waste because of the rain.

  36. Freaking customers. I heard every homerun. but couldn’t say anything about them.

  37. Hummingbird S. says:

    why did they start this game in the first place?

  38. jjyank says:

    I guess it’s encouraging that they’re just fixing the mound and the batter’s box instead of full on putting the tarp on. The forecast can’t look too terrible if they haven’t resorted to the tarp, right?

  39. OMG! Bagels! says:

    Sometimes they put the tarp on way too quick but once they start it’s tough to stop. Looks like they’re going to play. Let’s get 5 in

  40. Hummingbird S. says:

    can the ump suspend a game that does not complete 5 innings or it’s always cancelled?

  41. Mike N says:

    The radar looks like this is gonna pass over any minute.

  42. jjyank says:

    Work quickly, Phil.

  43. Chilango says:

    They started the game because the the line of T-storms was forecast to pass through by 8PM

  44. The Real Greg says:

    Orioles are in trouble tonight. Facing Verlander and down 1-0 on a home run by….

    Surprise, Surprise..Miguel Cabrera

  45. 28 this year says:

    Random question about defensive shifts.

    I was thinking about how the Yankees use Ichiro in LF in Yankee Stadium vs RF in other stadiums when combined with Jones. Now that shifts are starting to become popular, the next step might be to move a guy like Ichiro between LF and RF depending on the pull tendencies of the pitcher and batter so that the maximum range is achieved in the part of the field where the ball goes to. You guys think this is the next step in that? This could be applied all over the infield as well although its all limited by how versatile the defense is.

    • Mike N says:

      Are you allowed to switch the positions of the LF and the RF without doing a lineup switch?

      • 28 this year says:

        I would think so. You can place people where ever you want on the field. Remember how the Yankees used five infielders once this year?

        • Mike N says:

          Then why do they do double-switches? They could just move players anywhere they want on the field without altering the lineup.

    • jjyank says:

      It’s a nice theory, but teams don’t have enough players to do it. Like you said, it’s limited by how versatile the team is. Not many teams have a second basemen who can play short, or a first baseman who can play third. And if you over use your bench, you’re putting out a weaker line up. I think you might see that with a specific player or two, but that’s probably about it.

      • 28 this year says:

        Well at least the outfielder part. Most teams can switch the LF and RF.

        • jjyank says:

          Can they, though? Right fielders typically have stronger arms, and left fielders are often weak defenders. I mean, Adam Dunn used to be a left fielder. So did Matsui. Could Swisher play left? I’m not sure.

          Like I said, I like the theory. I just don’t think it would work in practice.

          • 28 this year says:

            Sorry, i was without my phone. I mean, RFs have stronger arms, etc. but that’s what I am talking about. RFs have stronger arms because it benefits them in a high percentage of situations like throwing to 3rd. The point of the shift is to get that percentage even higher so that your best assets like arm and range are in the spot most likely to be needed. That was why they had that designation in the first place, this idea takes it a step further.

  46. Jag says:

    Let’s just get it to be official now, go Hughes!

  47. I hate pitchers who can’t throw to second.

  48. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    WTF Phil?

  49. Hummingbird S. says:

    Pathetic.. this is inexcusable

  50. Jag says:

    Ugh, gotta get those….

  51. The Real Greg says:

    He didn’t get a good grip on the ball. It was wet

    • Tom says:

      He made a shitty throw… somehow the fielders seem to be able to throw the “wet” ball (I don’t see them wiping the ball off before the throws)

      • The Real Greg says:

        I’ll take Singleton and Cone’s opinion over yours, thank you.

        • Tom says:

          A wet ball would have slipped our of his hand and gone arm side. He pulled the ball to his right – that is not the ball slipping out of the hand..

          Cone and Singleton may know more about baseball but they are wrong on this.

          It was just a poor throw.

          • Mike N says:

            He could have overgripped to try to compensate for the wet ball, thus making it the fault of the wet ball.

            • Tom says:

              The ball bounce ONCE on the way to him.. it wasn’t dunked in a bucket of water. It’s not like it rolled on the wet grass to an OF’r.

              I find it amazing how Cano was able to throw the “wet” ball to first base on the DP attempt.

          • jjyank says:

            A ball can only slip in only one direction? Good to know. He didn’t have a grip on the ball. I’m not going to complain given the conditions.

            • Tom says:

              Look at the replay he HELD onto the ball too long and jerked it into the ground. That is not the ball slipping out of his hand.

              If it slips out of his hand it is either going up or arm side (depending on your release angle)

              • jjyank says:

                If it’s wet, he may not have gotten a grip either, it may not have “slipped”. You’re analyzing this too much.

  52. Arya says:

    Idiot Hughes. You just knew that was going to happen. Take your time, dummy.

  53. Mike N says:

    Damn wet ball!

  54. Chilango says:


  55. Mike N says:

    Will they call a throwing error if it is due to a wet ball? I guess so, right?

  56. flamingo says:

    And of course it’s Ciriaco at bat now.

  57. Widget says:

    Nothing like letting the garbage beat you. Thanks for the effort Phil.

  58. Ichy balls says:

    Hughes needs a shrink he is a headcase
    Watch him give the lead up here

  59. Mike N says:

    They should just concede the runner at third and play it like a man on first.

  60. Wow, Yankees vs Red Sox still brings out the trolls like no tomorrow. Phil has allowed a bloop single and made an error and he’s already getting crucified.


  61. Ichy balls says:

    Yeah ciriaco kills us again.

  62. Arya says:

    There’d be 2 out and a runner on 3rd, no RS if Hughes had just taken his time. If you only get one out, so be it. Just don’t throw the ball into CF and get no outs. He’s gotta learn.

    • The Real Greg says:

      Of course part of that is fallacy, but you’re right, that’s what he should have done.

      The problem is that Scott Podsednik is quick and might have beaten it out

    • jjyank says:

      Eh, I won’t get all worked up over it since the ball was wet. Should he have made the throw? Yes. But I won’t bitch about it given the conditions. I don’t think this has anything to do with “learning” something.

  63. Chilango says:

    Let’s go Phil suck it up.

  64. Hummingbird S. says:

    lots of foulballs..

  65. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    Hughes can not finish

  66. Widget says:

    I don’t think he threw enough pitches to Lullsbury. Throw him a few more. I will not misses Hughes one bit when he’s gone.

  67. Chilango says:

    He’s starting to miss his spots.

  68. The Real Greg says:

    And of course, before everyone gets out of hand, this game means very little in the standings

  69. Cy Pettitte says:

    nice inning.

  70. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Phuckin’ Phil.

  71. The Real Greg says:


    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      Means the same as every other game.
      Stop being a complete fucking moron please.

    • Hummingbird S. says:

      you’re right, they are holding preseason games in august now. As usual, a dumbass comment

    • Havok9120 says:

      Eh, wot?

      I mean, how many games are we supposed to just accept “eh, doesn’t matter” as the order of the day? Yesterday we were supposed to not care because we were “destined to lose the game” or somesuch nonsense and now….what? Because we have a lead in the division its no longer necessary to win games?

  72. Hummingbird S. says:

    typical Hughes… shitty pitcher

  73. Ichy balls says:

    There is the meatball
    Fuck you hughes

    • Mike N says:

      Meatball was exactly my thought. A big fat fucking meatball with nice tasty tomato sauce and some grated parmigiano reggiano just served right up on a fucking silver platter.

  74. Pat D says:

    Nice fucking job, Phil. Throw a ball away, give up a home run to the sniveling little rat faced git.

    I’m done defending your ass.

  75. Havok9120 says:


  76. Arya says:

    Fly ball Phil is just awful in this stadium. Trade him to the NL and be away with him. Would have been out of the inning had he taken his time and gotten one out on that comebacker. Now, he might have cost us the ballgame.

  77. Al Davis says:

    unreal how many homers hughes gives up


    • Hummingbird S. says:

      you can live with the homers… the problem was that goddamn throw to second. The guy throws a ball for a living but cant hit second base from the mound.

  78. Chilango says:

    Missed his spot. Happy b’day Pedroia

  79. wow says:

    well, that escalated quickly.

  80. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Yankees need another solid non-OOGY in the pen.
    CC coming back soon.
    Phelps pitching well so far in the rotation.

    1+1+1 = Bullpen Phil?

  81. The Real Greg says:

    And his stats will look good. All 4 runs unearned.

  82. Widget says:

    Pathetic. Just a complete embarrassment. Way to give up a homer to a light hitting asshole that has proven to be a below average player but an above average asshole. I hate Hughes almost as much as Pedroia. Almost.

  83. The Real Greg says:


  84. teddy says:

    phil hughes is a scrub, the only way bos can beat ny, is because ny chokes against them

  85. Rivera Venue Blues says:

    Dammit, why do not the yankees play great big member?

  86. The Guns of Navarone says:

    I would really love for ONE of Nova or Phil to step it up and take a rotation spot in the playoffs without making the fanbase cringe but it doesn’t look very possible. I wouldn’t be surprised if they went with Freddy and put both of them in the pen.

    • The Real Greg says:

      It won’t matter. They would the 4th starter.

      • The Guns of Navarone says:

        So this game doesn’t matter. Hughes’ performance doesn’t matter. The fourth starter doesn’t matter. What does matter???

        • The Guns of Navarone says:

          And this is assuming CC stays healthy and effective and Andy comes back healthy and effective. It would be nice to have some confidence in your starting pitching no matter what number you attach to them.

  87. Ichy balls says:

    Get lowe up. Rather see him at least keep the ball down.

  88. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    Everyone can say this game means nothing, and maybe that’s true. But what does mean something is starting pitchers inability to hold leads given to them.

    • The Real Greg says:

      It means that the Yankees aren’t going to win the World Series. If you start with that expectation, this isn’t so bad.

    • Rek4gehrig says:

      The game may mean nothing wrt our standings vs the sox but it means a lot wrt to the rays or orioles.

    • TomH says:

      Everyone can say this game means nothing, and maybe that’s true.

      People who say this are wrong and know nothing about baseball history. By the way, the “everyone” is the giveaway: a crowd is the untruth.

  89. Arya says:

    I’d get Lowe up and see what he can do against his former club. At least Lowe is a sinkerballer and not a fly ball pitcher like Phil. Hughes is just to prone to the HR and that’s not a good mix with this stadium. They need to trade him to the NL where he can flourish like AJ.

  90. TomH says:

    You know he’s heading for trouble when he gets into those 2-strike counts and can’t close the deal.

    Yes, he’s better off in some nice big NL ballpark where he can face a pitcher 3-4 times/game.

  91. Athenian says:

    Certainties in life…. Death, taxes, and Phil Hughes giving up the lead and a HR. experiment is over as he regresses back to the mean.

  92. Keith Evans says:

    Hughes blows about 15 pitches on a 3-2 count — as usual. Hughes serves up a big meatball to squander a nice lead — as usual. Just heard that these runs are “unearned” so they don’t count against his ERA. Even though they’re unearned because of an error Hughes committed,and then they only happened after that because he’s a terrible pitcher. I do not understand why he has a job. If I performed at my job like he does I would be fired. If I had a job. The 4-5 spots in this rotation are embarrassing. I hope to god that Pettite can pitch well in the postseason. In the meantime even after Sabathia comes back Phelps should continue to start, get this hack out of the rotation.

  93. Betty Lizard says:


    Damn you work. Damn you to hell.
    But I do have chips and fresh salsa from the little taqueria down the ally. So good.

  94. Ichy balls says:

    Robbie with the hr fake out
    Bet sterling missed that one too.

  95. Hummingbird S. says:


  96. I can live through Phil’s homers, especially apart from the last 3 starts they’ve come with nobody on base, but he cannot be allowing baserunners in front of the homers he is going to give up.

  97. Kramerica Industries says:

    Just woke up, and I see the Red Sox were down early, until Hughes gave it all back.

    That’s just shocking to see Hughes implode like that.


  98. Big Member says:

    Ugh if a picther makes an error and the run scores is the run considered earned? becasue techniquietly its on the picther…

  99. Hall and Nokes says:

    Lemme guess–Sterling has that as the best catch you’ll ever see.

  100. Hummingbird S. says:

    it’s nice that Andruw hit a HR yesterday but that doesnt change the fact that he has an .295 OBP overall and .281 against LHPs. What’s the point of having a lefty masher that can’t mash lefties?

  101. teddy says:

    hughes era should be close to 5th

  102. Pat D says:

    If I see that commercial with the Grease song being used to sell cars one more time, I could very well kill my mother.

  103. Hummingbird S. says:

    more foulballs!

  104. DERP says:

    How has Hughes looked so far?

    • Ichy balls says:

      He threw a nice fat meatball to ratboy that he hit out of the park. To give them the lead after being given a three run lead.

    • Havok9120 says:

      He looked good, we jinxed it, he threw a double play ball into the outfield, then walked a guy, then gave up a 3 run homer.

      Good times.

  105. Tom says:

    By the way that first pitch to Ross was middle-middle, but since it was a change, Ross was way out in front of it.

    Cone mentioned it earlier, I think one of the reasons righties are hitting him so much better is that he is primarily a 2 pitch pitcher against righties (curve/fastball). Would like to see the Yankees teach their pitchers that if you can locate a change it doesn’t only need to be thrown to opposing handed batters.

  106. DERP says:

    Why is Justin Verlander such a piece of shit?

  107. Kramerica Industries says:

    Oh, now he can get strike three.

  108. Mike N says:

    We can definitely get to the Socks’s pitchers if we don’t let this get out of hand.

  109. Ichy balls says:

    Someone should teach phil the spitball.

  110. So John and Suzyn are talking about wins for a pitcher, especially relief pitchers, being overrated. I find myself thinking, wow I can’t believe they’re actually talking sense. Then as example they use a pitcher for the Washington Senators during like the 60s, in the All Star game. I mean, they for once were actually making good points, and talking sense, then almost like they were thinking “oh, most listeners are actually following our conversation” they re-alienate their base by using an example from long before they were born.

    • Mike N says:

      They really don’t care who’s listening or paying attention, just like the drunken old codgers at your family Thanksgiving dinner.

    • TomH says:

      they re-alienate their base by using an example from long before they were born.

      Do you really believe this? that “long before you were born” is the 1960s? And that kids your age are in any way shape or form a “base” among baseball fans? Or that this saber cliche about “wins” being overrated is a test case of whether a person is worth listening to about baseball?

      • If somebody was born in 1962 they’d have no idea about baseball until the earliest 1969ish and would also be 50. Something tells me that there are more baseball fans 50, because most of the population is in fact under 50.

        • TomH says:

          You think so? Ever hear of books about baseball?

          “Long ago” was not the 1960s. You’ll see. Remember this exchange when you do. It’ll make you laugh as you look back at your (presently) naive view of time.

          • That’s because a lot of people writing baseball books are baseball historians, who are generally older people, writing about baseball from when they were younger. To me, a 23 year old, 1960 was a long ass time ago, especially when talking about a bullpen pitcher from that time. Also, people like to romanticize the distant past, and for baseball (which is about 130 years old) the distant past is 80-100 years ago. The reason people do that is because they can say whatever the fuck they want and there are few to no people who can stand up and say “Your full of shit, baseball was not better in the 1930s than it is now.”

            • TomH says:

              OK, I can see you’re in serious thought-trouble now. How do I know this? Your language is collapsing, obscenities, scatology, in order (you think) to make your weak case seem strong. It’s not. Moreover, no one is arguing that baseball was better in the 1930s or 1960s. I’ll close only by saying that because his audience includes someone so seriously time-challenged he should therefore ignore everyone–and there are plenty of them–who remember the 1960s and this “bullpen pitcher” whose name you’ve already forgotten.

              Read more books from before you were born. They’re good for you.

      • Heisenberg's Hat says:

        You can say many things about sabermetrics, but it’s most definitely not cliched.

        • TomH says:

          It is when you use it as a cliche. Check out the word’s meaning.

          • jjyank says:

            A cliche is: “is an expression, idea, or element of an artistic work which has been overused to the point of losing its original meaning or effect, especially when at some earlier time it was considered meaningful or novel.”

            That is certainly not the case with sabermetrics, unless you read Fangraphs and literally nothing else.

  111. Matt says:

    Hughes is actually pitching pretty well tonight. It’s really more about the inexcusable throwing error that set up the Red Sox for a big inning.

    Hughes was coming up on 25 pitches thrown in the inning at that point, and it was primarily his own fault. Pitchers tend to make mistakes in location as they approach that many pitches in an inning because they start to get fatigued.

    It’s the same thing that happened in Detroit. Hughes is a guy that needs to locate his fastball because he doesn’t change speeds well. He had some really tough at bats in that inning, and they clearly wore him down a bit.

  112. Kramerica Industries says:

    Wow, knew I was 0/2 on that trivia.

    Even though Rickey & Mickey seemed to make a lot of sense.

  113. Big Member says:

    My fatass roomate stole the remote and took my bong hostage. Is it still raining? Chance of the game lasting after 9 becasue the bitch usually dozes of after that

  114. I know Batting Average isn’t a huge deal, but our 5-6-7 are hitting a combined .223. That’s…just not that good.

  115. DERP says:

    Delmon Young hit a foul ball and let go of the bat on the backswing and it hit the ump in the head.

  116. Matt says:

    That error is even more costly because they might only get through 6 or 7 because of the rain. Even though it is still “early,” they might not have a ton more chances to rally. Morales is pitching this inning like he’s coming in out of the bullpen- emptying the tank- knowing the rain is coming and he won’t need to conserve as much energy.

  117. Hummingbird S. says:

    time to get shutdown by Morales.. that old routine of scoring early and getting shutdown the rest of the way.

  118. Jag says:

    Hughes error may define this game, but the Yankees are by no means out of it. Just 1 run. They can come back.

    • jjyank says:

      Yep. Like I liked to say when RISPFAIL was at its worst, the Yankees have a runner in scoring position in just about every at bat. If Hughes/The Bullpen can hold the Sox down going forward, I feel good about this game.

  119. Big Members Only (formerly RI$P FTW) says:

    Anyone else scanning and control + F’ing for Big Member posts? I can’t stop.

  120. DERP says:

    Fuck the Tigers.

  121. Matt says:

    The Yankees pretty much just beat themselves this year. How many games can you point to in which the other team has legitimately outplayed them?

    Errors, baserunning blunders, loss of focus out on the mound after getting handed a lead. This team makes it much harder than it has to be on most nights. They wouldn’t be playing and losing so many one-run games if they weren’t keeping opposing teams alive by handing them extra outs and dropping routine fly balls.

  122. Chilango says:

    If we don’t score off Morales again I’ll eat Heisenberg’s hat.

  123. Kramerica Industries says:

    I apologize if this becomes a theme for the rest of the game thread…

    I thought I was already insufferable enough with these home games with the Red Sox, given the Yankees atrocious record in these games.

    Combine that with me being tired even after a late afternoon dozer? Unreal.

  124. The Guns of Navarone says:

    I don’t want this to sound like an OVERREACTION!!! but would it be such a terrible idea to have Hughes “reinvent” himself so to speak? Plenty of pitchers have done it before. Have him try out a two-seamer, have him go back to a slider, tweak his delivery, whatever it takes. I’m just spitballing here. A two-seamer combined with continued development of his changeup might help him induce weak contact early in the count and help with putting batters away.

    Right now, I think we’re in the kind of territory where something needs to happen if the Yankees want to get anything out of him as a starter in the future. He’s been nothing more than an average starter for the Yankees, and that’s fine at the price, but he’s about to get more expensive.

    I’m just saying that if they plan on keeping him, I’d like to see something change because what he’s doing isn’t working.

    • jjyank says:

      I was talking to someone on here (maybe Plouf? I can’t remember) about this a week or two ago. I also suggested maybe a two seamer, since his cutter didn’t work out. Worth a shot, no? Or anything for that matter.

      For the record, I don’t think Hughes is that bad. But I’m always down for improvement where it can be done.

      • I was me, and the only thing I said that could be a negative is it could generate even more foul balls. The problem with Phil is, even though he has a great K rate, he allows far to many foul balls before finally getting the out.

      • The Guns of Navarone says:

        Well, define “not bad.” His FIP over the last five years is 4.34, 3.23 (mostly in relief – 7 starts), 4.25, 4.58, and 4.76 this season. A FIP around mid 4 is fine for a back end starter at $3.2 million, but he’s eligible for arbitration again after this season and then a FA in 2014. For a team like the Yankees, who are always in contention, they might want to shoot for better. They could try a two-seamer this offseason and see if it sticks during the season as a last-ditch effort.

  125. Ichy balls says:

    Another meatball to elsbury

  126. Mike N says:

    Ichiro has been an outstanding defensive pickup (other than that missed catch last night).

  127. Tom says:

    Jones would have had had that ball

    (when he picked it up after it stopped moving)

  128. DERP says:

    I am beyong pissed that Justin Verlander is pitching like dick against the Orioles after completely shutting us down.

  129. Big Member says:

    Scouting Report update: Huges looks very tired. in the 1st inning he was hitting 92 on the un but now he is hitting 90. i think this is good prove of that the yankees need to consider moving him to the bullepen. i remember he looked like an ace back then and now he makes sweaty fready look like an ace.

    • JLC776 says:

      Aren’t you just repeating what the useless Gamecast auto-scout says? Wasn’t Hughes still hitting mid-90′s or so in the late innings in a very recent game?

      • Big Member says:

        no.i have a pair of eyes that i use. i see that hughes has slowed down. we cant have a itcher who slows down in the 4th ining. thats a big no no. you may be confusing hughes with another pitcher that we have, hiroki kuroda.

    • Matt says:

      It was really just that 3rd inning when his pitch count got elevated. He was back to 92-93 in the 4th inning.

      If you look at velocity charts by inning, you’d be surprised to see that there isn’t really a consistent pattern of velocity. Some of the good pitchers (CC/Verlander) hold something back, but others like Lester settle into lower velocities as the game goes along.

  130. wow says:

    i see the offense has decided to take the rest of the night off.

  131. JLC776 says:

    Argh! Nothing more obnoxious than coming hard out of the gates against a pitcher and then giving them some really soft innings… This lineup is maddening sometimes.

  132. Cy Pettitte says:

    Thank you Cap’n.

  133. jjyank says:

    Captain, my Captain. Thanks Jeets!

  134. Hummingbird S. says:

    Jeets! With the power!!!

  135. Ichy balls says:

    Cappy puts us back in it. Fuck yeah

  136. Mike N says:


  137. Arya says:

    Oh captain my captain!

  138. Yank the Frank says:

    Oh captain my captain

  139. DERP says:

    I hope Justin Verlander blows his arm out. Dumb fucking bitch.

  140. Get Phelps Up says:

    I can’t say enough about how much fun Jeter’s resurgence has been to watch.

  141. Kramerica Industries says:


    At least they aren’t trailing now. I’ll give Hughes two outs before the Sox lead again.

  142. Chilango says:

    Jeter’s in double digits too now. Nice. Does Phil start the 6th?

  143. Ichy balls says:

    Now get lowe up.

  144. Big Member says:

    Solo homers dont win games folks. theres no i in team.

  145. Keith Evans says:

    Jeter homeruns are so cute — like when a 10 year-old throws a strike in bowling even though he has no hook in his throw and hit the headpin dead-on. His throw has no business going for a strike but, hey, it’s still going to happen now and then.

  146. DERP says:

    We should get some guys on base before we go yard. That’s what I would do.

  147. DERP says:

    Verlander is getting outpitched by Tommy Hunter. ugh

  148. Ichy balls says:

    If hughes gives it up again here one of the guys should go take a dump in his locker.

  149. DERP says:

    Mark Reynolds and Buck just got tossed.

  150. Kramerica Industries says:

    Nice inning.

    Get the lead back this inning, and don’t surrender it.

  151. The Real Greg says:

    Another beef I have with baseball.

    Phil Hughes committed the error that led to the 4 runs. Yet all 4 runs are unearned.

    If the pitcher is charged with the error, I think the runs should be earned.

    His ERA is going to look good after this start.

  152. DERP says:

    Odd play in Baltimore. First base called a guy out on a grounder to third. Other umps overturned it. Reynolds threw his glove down, didn’t say a work, and got tossed.

  153. Get Phelps Up says:

    Hughes has pitched really well except for that one pitch to the little elf-munchkin.

  154. Tom says:

    Nice to see Hughes going inside… that pitch was only ~3-4″ off the plate, but like most hitters against Hughes they dive in because he doesn’t throw inside a lot. He seems to do it more against lefties.

    That really set up that change on the next pitch beautifully.

  155. Hummingbird S. says:

    Andruw avoids getting on base with the best of them

  156. Mike N says:


  157. Hummingbird S. says:

    why did granderson swing at 3-0 at ball 4?

  158. JLC776 says:

    Wait, a hit that wasn’t a HR? How nice!

  159. Hummingbird S. says:

    Pods played that extremely well, unfortunately.. nice hit by Grandy!

  160. Mike N says:

    Podesdnik has a fucking arm!

  161. Kramerica Industries says:

    Well, don’t fuck this up.

  162. Fucking social requirements…goodnight everybody. I hope this run comes across.

  163. Tom says:

    Good decision by Grandy… looks like he would have been nailed at 2nd.

  164. Arya says:

    This is our chance. Plate that run, bring the rain and call it a night.

  165. Chilango says:

    We’re into their pen let’s rock

  166. Mike N says:


  167. Tom says:

    Wow…. close play at 1st in Det/Bal.

    Umps ruled out initially, Leyland argued and they changed it to safe!

    I guess Leyland was persuasive? (Schowalter and Reyonolds obviously were mad and both got toosed)

  168. Mike N says:

    This Mortesnseon pitcher dude is the size of a twelve year old.

  169. Ichy balls says:

    Someone give that new boston pitcher a sandwich

  170. Kramerica Industries says:

    Oof, swung at ball 4 Russell.

  171. Ichy balls says:

    Serious russel? Holy

  172. Hummingbird S. says:

    the pitcher cannot throw a slider for a strike so obviously Martin swings at a pitch out of the zone

  173. Hummingbird S. says:

    awful AB

  174. Kramerica Industries says:

    Dammit to hell Russell.

    That was brutal.

  175. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Well, that was awful Russ.

  176. The Real Greg says:

    That last one is nasty. The 3-1 swing was the problem there

  177. Ichy balls says:

    Gary sanchez please mature fast.

  178. Hummingbird S. says:

    PH Chavez!!!

  179. Chilango says:

    what an TERRIBLE AB.

  180. Matt says:

    For a catcher, Martin looked like he had no clue how they are attacking him up there.

    4 straight sliders to start the at bat, even in counts like 2-0 and 2-1. Yet, for some reason, he thinks he is getting a fastball on 3-1 and 3-2. Just stunningly terrible.

    • jjyank says:

      Yeah, you’re not wrong exactly…but by that logic, there would be many more catchers who were better hitters. And most of them are pretty bad.

      • Matt says:

        You’re right that you still have to hit it, but Martin is actually a pretty good hitter for a catcher. The bad hitting catchers try to make up for it by guessing along with the pitcher, but Martin just completely lost track of the progression of the AB there.

  181. DERP says:

    Nice piece of hitting

  182. Kramerica Industries says:

    Nix picks up Russell.

    Well done sir. Got the lead – don’t let go.

  183. Mike N says:


  184. Chilango says:

    one slider too many

    • Mike N says:

      I like the tactic, though: “No way can this motherfucker be throwing *another* slider. OK. No way can this motherfucker be throwing *another* *another* slide.”

  185. Cy Pettitte says:

    Nix saving the season again

  186. Arya says:

    That Jayson Nix sure is clutch. Big hit.

  187. The Real Greg says:

    Mortensen threw one slider too many

  188. Hummingbird S. says:

    hey look at that! a hit! on the same pitch for the 10th time

  189. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Professional Baseball Player.

  190. Ichy balls says:

    Really like nix kid is a player.

  191. jjyank says:

    That was a great piece of hitting. Went down and got it, well done.

  192. Get Phelps Up says:

    Baseball player.

  193. Mike Axisa says:

    That was just a fantastic job by Nix.

  194. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    2out RBI!

  195. DERP says:

    Is Prince Fielder a GOD?

  196. Tom says:

    Profession ballplayer!

    Seriously though – he saw 432 sliders in a row and unlike Martin, he adjusted to it and just put it in play.

  197. JLC776 says:

    That was the most improbably RBI ever.

  198. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    2-0 bunt?

    Seriously Ichiro?

  199. Cy Pettitte says:

    Olney tweets:

    “The longer that the Orioles have stayed in this race, the more you can see the players believing they have a legit shot. Leading 3-1 against Detroit”

    then deletes it 30 seconds after and tweets:

    “The longer that the Orioles have stayed in this race, the more you can see the players believing they have a legit shot. Tied 3-all.”

    lol, nice jinx.

  200. Chilango says:

    NOW does flying balls Phil start the 7th?

  201. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    That AB by Ichiro almost made Martin’s look good.
    Absolutely ridiculous.

  202. Leg-End says:

    Anything they can do about Russell? I mean I like the guy and all but hes pretty brutal to watch 8 times out of 10.

    • jjyank says:

      What can they do? Trade deadline is over, so it’s either him or Stewart or Cerveilli really.

      • Leg-End says:

        Not the worst problem in the world to have really, a low average catcher in the bottom of the order but you know we gotta moan about something right?

        • jjyank says:

          Heh, fair enough. Martin has definitely under performed, but it is what it is at this point. I do think he’s the best option we have.

  203. Kramerica Industries says:

    Same situation as yesterday.

    Three outs away from DRob and Soriano. Lets get there with the lead intact, and finish this one off tonight.

  204. Hummingbird S. says:

    what’s the logic behind that AB? Ichiro works the count 2-0, tries to bunt(!!) and then on 2-1 doesn’t swing at a hanging slider that any minor leaguer could crush..

    • The Real Greg says:

      It’s the way he operates. He wasn’t expecting a slider despite the fact that he has thrown nothing but.

  205. The Real Greg says:

    That’s how Mortensen operates. He goes against baseball logic and throws sliders up there in every count.

  206. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Shutdown inning please.

  207. Ichy balls says:

    How far away is Gary Sanchez?
    Can he hit over 200 and catch a game at this level next year.

  208. Hummingbird S. says:

    comon Phil… you’re almost there. Let’s go.

  209. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    C’mon Phil, show us you can have a big boy shut down inning

  210. Tom says:

    Last batter Phil… make him hit his way on.

  211. Big Member says:

    Hughes is really goo with the change up. I obrserved that red sox are 0-4 against his change up today.

  212. Chilango says:

    Joe: don’t let Phil pitch to Ellsbury!

  213. DERP says:

    Finish him!

  214. DERP says:

    Nice work by Hughes

  215. Kramerica Industries says:

    At least Hughes rebounded from that awful third inning.

    Insurance, please.

  216. Get Phelps Up says:

    Really, really nice job by Hughes tonight.

  217. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    OK. Nice job overall Phil.

  218. Arya says:

    Nice rebound by Phil. Good thing we don’t have to go to middle relief tonight, just straight to Drob and Soriano.

  219. Tom Q says:

    So…would everyone who wanted Phil sent to the bullpen (or Triple A, or hell) after the third inning like to walk back their comments just a bit?

    • Pat D says:

      Not entirely. His biggest problem is that he still creates too many unnecessary messes for himself. The difference between tonight and his last two starts is that he only had one meltdown inning.

      • jjyank says:

        If the error wasn’t by Hughes himself, would we still be singing that “meltdown” inning tune? He threw one bad pitch. The circumstances surrounding it sucked, but I would call that a meltdown at all. I think he’s actually pitched pretty well, he just got burned in the wrong spot.

        • Chilango says:

          He actually threw more than one bad pitch. He did have better control tonight but he still throws too many cookies. And he has trouble putting hitters away in tight situations. I’d hate to see him and his 4.78 FIP in the postseason.

          • jjyank says:

            I’m too lazy to look it up, but that 4.78 FIP is inflated by his awful April. He’s been perfectly serviceable since then as a #4 type starter, and would be even in the playoffs.

      • Tom Q says:

        Granted he let things spin too far, but…given that the key to the inning was a rain-aided thrown-away double play ball, I don’t think that rates with the meltdown innings he used to have.

        I mean, unless Mo in AZ ’01 constitutes a meltdown. (Sorry to raise such an ugly memory)

  220. Chilango says:

    Nice bounceback by Hughes.

  221. DERP says:

    More runs please

  222. Heisenberg's Hat says:


  223. DERP says:

    Great player does great things.

  224. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Swish is hot.

  225. jjyank says:

    I love you so much Swish.

  226. Hummingbird S. says:

    Nick is ON FIRE!

  227. sangreal says:

    Not clutch

  228. Mike N says:

    FUCK THE RED SOCKS!!!!!!!!!! KILL THEM!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAH!

  229. DERP says:

    Goodbye home run

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Gary Thorne is an excellent voice.

      His call of Andino’s walk-off in Game 162 is forever on my phone.

  230. Ichy balls says:

    Swisher needs to stay in the fucking 2 hole! Nice

  231. Get Phelps Up says:

    Keep Swish in the 2 spot forever.

  232. Kramerica Industries says:

    Swish with one of his specials – homers from both sides of the plate.

  233. Tom says:

    Now THAT is how you swing at a 3-0 pitch.

    Yup, the Yankees should just let this guy walk next year….

  234. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    How’s the zone tonight, game cast is showing a lot of pitches in the zone being called balls

  235. Arya says:

    Swisher’s been on fire ever since Joe moved him up to #2. Should have put him up there a month ago.

  236. Mike N says:

    I am not a baseball player, but can there be any better baseball player feeling batter-wise than hitting a homer from both sides of the plate in one game?

  237. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    Swish so unclutch lately

    • JLC776 says:

      I’m very guilty there… I was vilifying him for high leverage failures just over a week ago. I’m very happy to be eating my words right now!

    • Chilango says:

      No. He’s been clutch lately. In May he was unclutch: .207/.245
      and also in July not too great: .222/.367

  238. Mike N says:

    So cool that Teix and Swish are 1-2 in multi-homer opposite-side games in MLB history!

  239. Mike N says:

    This Socks pitcher has seriously long arms.

  240. Ichy balls says:

    I know its 2 weeks away but who would be your sept call ups.

  241. Kramerica Industries says:

    Junichi Tazawa gave up the walk-off HR to ARod in the 15 inning game in 2009.

    He’s always welcome in New York.

  242. Kramerica Industries says:

    1-2-3 this inning.

    Won’t be easy, but I imagine DRob can get it done.

  243. Kramerica Industries says:

    WTF was that?

  244. DERP says:

    Well fuck

  245. Mike N says:

    Damn. I thought maybe that ricochet was gonna go right to first base for the out.

  246. Chilango says:

    K time Robbie

  247. Kramerica Industries says:


  248. The Real Greg says:


  249. Mike N says:

    Nice catch, Grandy!

  250. Ichy balls says:

    Ratboy misses his wall sorry shit head

  251. jjyank says:

    Wow, I didn’t think that ball would travel that far off the bat, and I got worried for a second.

  252. DERP says:

    Maybe if Pedroia wasn’t four feet tall he could have muscled that out

  253. Chilango says:

    DRob got lucky. OMG

  254. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Sorry runt, this aint Fenway.

  255. Mike N says:

    I am loving this game right now.

  256. The Real Greg says:

    Not in Fenway anymore, Pedey

  257. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:


  258. ESPN says:

    Every ballpark needs a Green Monster in LF!

  259. Kramerica Industries says:

    It must be because I don’t live in New York.

    More pleasure, Red Sox or Mets? That’s not even a question to me.

  260. Tom says:

    Off topic but who would you rather see win with BALT/DET.

    Maybe I’m underestimating BALT, but I rather see DET lose and Chicago make the playoffs in the central (and potentially DET miss out all together)

    • Ichy balls says:

      We dont want detroit anywhere near the playoffs they own us in the post season.

    • Tom says:

      Then again, I can’t stand Schowalter, so screw the O’s…

    • Havok9120 says:

      Divisional games aren’t as much a crapshoot in baseball as they are in football, but I still don’t want to risk having three ALE teams in the playoffs. It’d be cool for proving to everyone that we’re still the best division…but it makes winning a heck of a lot harder.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      And it’s not because Chicago is some pushover. Konerko/Dunn is less talked about, but they’re not far off from Miggy and Fielder in terms of how ruthlessly dominant they can be at the plate.

      Sale and Peavy have been exceptional.

      Detroit just has more of the much-maligned “fear” factor. And I feel it as well – please miss the playoffs.

    • Chilango says:

      Definitely do NOT want to see Detroit in the post season.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      I think the White Sox are more well-rounded than the Tigers, especially in the rotation. I think the Yankees can beat them both, though.

  261. The Real Greg says:

    Let’s christen Andrew bailey to the rivalry

  262. tipsie says:

    Not watching game, admittedly, but following box score. Ready to bury Hughes for his inability to close out batters, 91 MPH heater, and awful implosion of a 3rd inning. Then he rebounds with a string of efficient innings and goes 7 strong? Shocker, really. Someone answer please: credit Hughes or a lackluster impatient Boston lineup?

  263. sangreal says:

    Swisher needs to stick with the high socks

  264. Ichy balls says:

    Get MFIKY up.

  265. Kramerica Industries says:


    Time to finish this.

  266. Mike N says:

    Big Member, this next post is for you.

  267. William Thomas Barton III says:

    We need base hits, plain and simple, the batting averages on this team are deplorable (suck) ! The ranger game yesterday with a couple of base hits would cover up a lot of pitching mistakes. Nix , Chavez, ibanez are the only ones that know the value of a single. Earl weaver did not win many championships with the 3 run home run. I was completely disappointed with Paul O’Neill yesterday accepting playing the back-ups to rest people, when you know he would have had a fit getting rested.especially on a 10 game home stand. Rest em before the travel day or the first day on the road. Crush teams when you are hot!Grandson just struck out again. The play-off season will be short lived counting on the long ball. We don’t need the likes of josh Hamilton when we have the best record without him. We need timely hitting not solo home runs. K LONG SUCKS. Jeter has been great since last year after hanging with Gary Denbo. He should be promoted!!!!

  268. William Thomas Barton III says:


  269. Ichy balls says:

    Soriano reminds me of Adibisi from the show OZ.
    Just mean and nasty.

  270. jjyank says:

    Kenny and Cone singing Hughes’ praises. I wonder what they would think if they read through this game thread.

  271. Tom says:

    Fielder just went deep, again.

    Det 5, Bal 3 bottom of the 8th

  272. William Thomas Barton III says:

    The Red Sox are not a good litmus test, they suck. Fortunately they the worst manager in baseball, keeping ours from that distinction.

  273. Ichy balls says:

    Nasty slider tonight

  274. jjyank says:


  275. Mike N says:

    YEAHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  276. William Thomas Barton III says:

    Over emotional is the by-product of being a Yankee fan. Accepting mediocrity has become the norm. I for one do not.

  277. Thaaaaaaaayankeeswin says:

    Un motherfucking tuck!

  278. Get Phelps Up says:

    I can’t wait to see the gif of Valentine there.

  279. Arya says:

    lol Bobby V. What a trainwreck in Boston.

  280. The Real Greg says:

    Tomorrow, the law firm of Phelps and Lowe

  281. William Thomas Barton III says:

    The only old person on the team is Girardi. We should give the managera day off. Players play, managers interfere…at least ours.

  282. Mike N says:

    Swish better be the motherfucking POTG!

  283. Kramerica Industries says:

    Hahah at my luck.

    I retooled my roster for yesterday, putting in as many active players for that day as I could, and in the process I lifted Fielder from my lineup.

    And then I fell asleep this afternoon before I could put him back in.

    The result? 2 HR that I don’t get credit for.

  284. DERP says:

    Cabrera and Fielder went 4-6 with 2 walks and 3 HRs. Rest of the lineup went 1-23 with 1 walk. Nice job Orioles.

  285. Hall and Nokes says:

    Did Valverde just do the untuck?

  286. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Is it too late to drop in here?

  287. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    I’m going to say it blunt: Hughes did not pitch a great game. He pitched okay. All four runs should be on his record, especially since it was his error in the first place.

    That said, he went seven innings and those were the only runs he allowed, so all in all an okay start.

    • jjyank says:

      Yeah, it was his error, but that has nothing to do with pitching. So than really doesn’t factor in to pitching performance. If you want to talk about his overall level as a baseball player, then fine. But he pitched pretty damn well.

      • jjyank says:

        In addition: Like I said earlier, if that error was made by, say the third basemen, would you be singing the same tune? Errors suck, but they are completely different than pitching. So as far as I am concerned, Hughes made a bad pitch to the munchkin, and that’s pretty much it. He pitched well.

      • Rocky Road Redemption says:

        Well, what I said was all four runs should be on his record (which they should be, he EARNED all four runs due to his pitching and fielding), not that all four runs were directly related to his pitching.

        But at any rate: Yes, if the 3b made the error I absolutely would be singing the same tune. One run after that, okay, but he allowed FOUR. That’s a bad inning.

        He recovered and pitched fine the rest of the way, but this was not what I’d call a well-pitched game. He was okay. It was an improvement from last time, we won the game, so great. But I’m not gonna sit here like Hughes just did a dandy job.

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