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20
Game 122: First vs. First
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The White Sox and Yankees both sit atop their respective divisions, but the two clubs are separated by six games and more than 50 runs of run differential in the standings. If the ChiSox played in the AL East, they’d be tied with Orioles for third place. Not all division leaders are made equal. Here’s the lineup…
SS Derek Jeter
DH Nick Swisher
2B Robinson Cano
1B Mark Teixeira
CF Curtis Granderson
3B Eric Chavez
LF Raul Ibanez
RF Ichiro Suzuki
C Chris Stewart
RHP Freddy Garcia
Tonight’s game starts a little after 8pm ET (stupid midwestern states) and can be seen on YES. Enjoy.
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[b]Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon) says:
August 20, 2012 at 12:48 pm
“Ninny: Shortened version of nincompoop, a silly, idiotic person. can be used affectionately.”
Tilapia showing his age pulling that word out of mothballs
jjyank says:
August 20, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Haha I know what it means, I just can’t remember the last time someone used it.
Tell me, Mr. Tilapia: How much easier did things become after the invention of the wheel?[/b]
Just letting you both know I saw those.
Does my failed attempt at bolding the above show my age as well? Rascals.
The square brackets are bulletin-board tags. For blogs like this, you need to use HTML angle brackets.
Son, if you were really as old as you claim you are, you’d call ‘em upstarts, by cracky!
Please. I’m thirty-fucking-eight. Pay no attention to these fuckers. As a matter of fact, mock them for calling a 38 year-old “old.”
*Sigh* I’ve got seven years on you. I shudder to think how they’d refer to me!
But as a great man once said, “Don’t take any guff from these swine!”
Hahaha, glad you say that. All in good fun, I know how old you really are.
*saw
Anybody have any idea whether there is some rhyme or reason to when there is Batting Practice Today before the YES pre-game and when there isn’t?
Depends if there’s batting practice or not. The Tampa Batting Practice show is in deep shit this week.
I thought they actually have batting practice before every game?
Not the Rays this week.
Why not?
Hello again good people of RAB. Today I will contnue to analis our rooster. Previusly I have explained my plan to luring Josh Hamilton to NYC by trading for Mike Young signing Mike Naploli and promosisng unlimited freedom in terms of extracarriculum activites. however that still leaves ith with a quite large hole.
Nick Swisher is skeduled to be a free agent this winter. My friend whose name shall be left out in fear of him loosing his job has an advanced program called “twiter”. Through this “twitter” he gets all sorts of prognosisies from inside sources. tOday my dear friend has told me that his inside sources are letting him know that the Red Sox will be very interested in swisher during the off season.
why would they want swiser big member you will say well there are no club hosue chemistry in boston bacsause has no chemistry. experts at mlb etwork and espn always talk about team chemistry. if you forgive my humour, siwsher will the catalyst in the chemistry of the boston club house with his pies and jokes. next swisher is white and unfortuanetly boston is very rasist and since he is white the press wont make fun of him. for this reasons boston has all the reasons to give him 7 years 100 million dollars
wow big member you may say. what will we do with out swisher. well i happen to have a ace up my sleeve. and that ace is actaly the ace of our staff mrhiroki kuroda. kuroda’s best friend ichiro will also bea free agent in the offseason. kuroda can persuade ichiro to sign back with the yankees. this way we will not need swisher.
Next step is the critical. we have already improved our club but boston has improved asgood. we will do a 1 for 1 swap of mike pienda for car crafawrd. mikep ienda showed his true colors today with the dui. if we ship him to boston he will maybe make friends with david ortiz. we will instruct him to make friends with lester and becket but that maybe harder. he will make sure all of them get lazy and influence them to do bad things thus braking the chemical composition of the boston clubhouse for good. we also rescue crawford from boston.
You are the greatest man to ever walk the face of the earth.
Wow
These are excellent ideas! They really like drinking in Boston, and the Pineda move is a great one, as he can probably convince Valentine to allow beers in the clubhouse for after the game and during the seventh inning stretch.
The complete disregard for Crawford’s contract is just awesome. It’s like poof, it no longer exists.
Someone doesn’t get it.
Do you question the realism of The Empire Strikes Back?? Just enjoy the ride!
Love.
Nice name change, heh.
“he will make sure all of them get lazy and influence them to do bad things thus braking the chemical composition of the boston clubhouse for good. we also rescue crawford from boston.”
My abs hurt from laughing. Who needs a gym membership when we have this clown?
I want to adopt this troll.
I don’t want anyone analising my rooster.
Actually love this lineup tonight. I have a feeling the yanks are gonna mash tonight
Is Twitter broken for everyone else?
Working fine for me.
Odd. It’s not working on Google Chrome. Let’s test out another browser…
Um mike can you get back to me ragadring the email i send to you? i’m wiling to write for your website for just a hubmle fee. i even took creative writing classes in middle school if i remmebmer corectly for whats its wroth. i wud be a great + to the team.
I’ll pitch in to cover the costs! I’m sure I’m not alone.
I’m in.
I would too!
We can use Kickstarter for this venture, right?
Let’s make this happen.
Axisa, even if it’s just once……just do it.
Give the people what they want Mike!!
Seems to be okay for me — I’m accessing it via computer using Firefox, for whatever that’s worth…
Yeah, it works on Firefox! So strange!
Firefox is the best.
I have Chrome installed for foreign sites in which the built-in Google Translate but, otherwise, Firefox all the way. With the right add-ons, your chances of catching malware are so much less.
Even on a Mac?
On a what?
i can’t wait for the day when twitter no longer exists. granted, there will probably be something else just as annoying/pointless, but for now i’ll just wait for twitter to die.
Nice AB by Swish!
looking good so far!
That’s about the only good think Beckham can do right now.
My dad said before that Robbie doesn’t look like he cares about the game anymore and someone needs to tell him to actually run to first.
Sorry, way too busy rolling my eyes.
True. Just as Cano is heading in toward a big contract, he’s decided to give up and not care about baseball anymore. : -)
He’s too busy helping Melky create websites.
He probably was planning to endorse the site for Melky.
direct your father to my analises on robbie/cano/melky. my finding during that research clearlly link periods when robbie lack the effort to the insignifacant level of testosterone.
Your dad wouldn’t be Bobby Valentine, would he?
Sometimes I wonder.
someone needs to tell him to actually run to first.
Is the truth of this even in question? I sure don’t think so.
Gameday suggests a tight strike zone. Is this true?
Welcome back, Tex!
TEIEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Anyone remember the Yankee/Milwaukee game (when the Brewers were in the AL) when Tim Tchsida refused to call the phantom double play bc the shortstop wasn’t on the bag. Velarde was involved in that play.
crickets….
also Jeter is awesome, go Tex, Yanks win 8-3!
I………..think?
Nice AB By TEX
what wrist injury? and i didn’t realize wise went to cws :/
Welcome back, Tex!
I’ve been busy all day w/ stuff and haven’t found my way onto RAB before the game. Sadly I found out about Pineda’s DUI through ‘Big Member’s’ post. While what he did was incredibly stupid, I can’t believe some of the hypocritical shit I’m reading in the comments. I’d like to hook everybody who is crucifying him up to a polygraph and ask them if they’ve ever driven after a drink or two.
It wasn’t a pretty thread, that’s for sure.
And it could have been even been so much worse.
Was he just over the limit, or shitfaced?
According to Brian, his BAC was .13, that’s shitfaced for some one my sized, but could be barely tipsy for somebody Pineda’s size, especially somebody in his shape as well.
Well Pineda’s BAC was like .13 or something, so that is a little different from a drink or two. But yeah I think the internet overreacted big time.
Yeah, that thread degenerated into a mess quickly. Had to drive to the local bar and down a couple pints to settle my nerves.
freddy’s gonna have his work cut out for him if the strikezone is that tight.
holy shit i’ve had some replyfails lately. nvm me
PILE ON, NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PILE ON MEOWWWWW!!!
do WORK chavez
Back to back 8 pitch AB’s…. be nice to get Floyd out early and trash the bullpen the first game of a 3 game series.
Excellent!
Chavez is no longer en fuego
Productive, Chavez
Why do the OTM guys hate Swish so much? Wouldn’t they think he was a cutie patootie if he red sox on?
Swish is easy to hate because fans of other teams thinks he’s showing up the opposition. They don’t realize he’s just on a constant happy high. They’d love him if he played for the Sox. Wouldn’t rule them out signing him either. They need help in that club house.
He’s the charismatic guy who gets all the cute girls and the OTM guys are the bitter losers who rage-spank every night. Of course they hate him.
I like your story better than mine. It’s probably closer to the truth judging by how they react to Jeter.
One of their more active members shared a comment about how he almost killed himself after getting laid off last September. Right during the middle of their collapse. That comment showed up in a bunch of draysbay signatures.
Did you make up the term rage-spank? because that’s pretty awesome.
If Ichiro goes yard here man…Or walks.
Yuck.
Oh, god. Ichiro on the Yankees means every game we get to hear about his batting-practice power, and how he could hit 70 HRs if he only wanted to. Before I only had to hear it a few times a year.
bases loaded twice. c’mon guys..
That one was with 2 outs though, so the odds of scoring are less.
We’ll have more chances with this pitcher, I predict.
Dewayne Wise? No Greg Golson?
Shit, could Dewayne Wise undo everything with a bunt this week?
I will always love DeWayne Wise. I feel like slipping into song.
Slipping into song? I KNEW “Robinson Tilapia” was the nom de post of John Sterling!
Yeah, but who’s Suzyn?
Catch. Of. The. Year.
I think the Toronto catch over the wall against the Yanks was far more impressive.
That catch to save Cain’s perfect game tops them all.
Wow, that went further than I expected off the bat.
Grandy is a great centerfielder.
/Things said five years ago
Sorry Youk, this isn’t Fenway.
For a C who is supposed to be great at throwing out runners, Stewart sure does make a lot of shitty throws to second. (not that he really had a chance on that one)
Yeah he’s been terrible this year after being great last year. Dunno what’s up.
Chris Stewart: Defensive. Catcher.
Chris Stewart is gonna drive me to drink, smoke, take amphetamines and sniff glue during this game.
Defensive specialist at work.
That was scored a wild pitch
Doesn’t mean it wasn’t blocked poorly.
Wild pitch- blame pitcher
Passed ball- blame catcher
Not always true. Some pitches are supposed to be in the dirt. Some pitches in the dirt absolutely should be blocked.
I just blame both of them.
I blame Michael Pineda.
Wild pitch-blame catcher + pitcher depending on how horrendous the ball was thrown
Passed ball-blame catcher
It’s nasty how Kay gets a huge hard-on over some poor fucker getting arrested for diving into that pool to get the Dunn homer ball.
Fuck Youk
Scored a wild pitch by the way
Freddy looking rather shitty so far…
Freddy not looking good early. Needs his split.
…speak of the devil.
Why do I feel like this is going to be a high scoring series?
I despise Rios. He just hits too well against the Yankees.
I actually despise him for playing well despite being the ultimate salary dump. It wasn’t supposed to be that way.
Dumb Dunn.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Freddy’s missing big time
Thank you Dunn!
rack him up !
Would the yanks be better with dewayne wise than that 200 hitter andruw jones? Yes I know he’s lefty.
No. Wise has little power.
By the way, hasn’t Ronnie replaced you yet?
So which member of your family did Jones take out for a nice seafood dinner and never call again?
There’s your caught stealing
Ok, Stewart made up for it.
not bad stewie
Go Dunnce!
Dunn, where were you going?
Run Dunn Run!!!!
Chris Stewart is so bad…. he’s good!
I literally wish I had killed myself on the train station after I got laid off
by Sean O on Sep 28, 2011 10:49 PM EDT actions
that guy has some gems sometimes. at least when he’s not depressing shit of you.
Would the yanks be better off with dewane wise than 200 hitting power hitter andruw jones.yes I know wise is a lefty.
Pat D says:
August 20, 2012 at 8:43 pm
No. Wise has little power.
By the way, hasn’t Ronnie replaced you yet?
Robinson Tilapia aka Melky’s Webmaster says:
August 20, 2012 at 8:44 pm
So which member of your family did Jones take out for a nice seafood dinner and never call again?
2 runs will not be enough for Sweaty Freddy tonight.
Swish at #2 = good
NOT TEH CLUTCHY!!!!
Nice work by Swisher to keep the inning going… don’t want to give him a quick inning after a 34 pitch 1st inning.
Keep the pressure on Tex! There’s no reason we shouldn’t have Floyd out of the game by the 4th at this rate.
Need knock-out hit.
Need to cash in here, can’t allow him to load the bases 3 times and only get 2 or 3 out of it.
Ok…3. It’s settling but Thompson took a risk, and I’m ok with it.
Yeah. Forcing the other team to make plays when you’ve already got a lead seems reasonable to me.
that was pretty lame.
Woah. Jeez. Out by a mile!!!
Wow, wtf … horrible send.
RISPHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Grandy!
Cano…:(
Alex Rios has been in the AL East for how long?
Jesus Christ man. Another horrible send.
Huh. He hasn’t been in the AL East for many years.
I meant was in. They know the guy has a cannon.
2 outs, up 3-0
It’s an oddly deflating 3-0 lead after only 1 1/2 innings, but I’ll take it.
Robbie WTF were you thinking,
YEARGH?
i hope robbie missed a sign there, cause there was no way in hell he was makin it from second, especially standing up
LOL, oh boy, what levels of fail on both teams so far…
I would attribute a greater level of fail to the team on the losing end of a 3-0 game.
Maybe. But dunn’s baserunning blunders, no big hit from yanks with bases loaded twice, 2 bases stolen against the yanks on sloppy balls in the dirt, cano/thompsen’s silly out… in 1.5 innings, that’s a pretty good amount of fail all around.
Dunn’s out at 2nd was the most hilarious fail, I would say.
what the hell was cano thinking
haha Cano was out by a mile. Im kind of glad he didn’t go in hard try to barrel the catcher and risk injury. But that play did call for the proverbial Arod slap of the glove.
Cano must have not been paying attention and not looking at robby thompson; he probably thought granderson’s hit got past the RF when it didn’t.
Hope doesn’t come back to haunt, yanks should be up 8 to 0 right now
FALLACY
Go F**k Yourself. How’s that for Fallacy?
lmao
srsly
What he said has absolutely nothing to do with a fallacy. Just give it up with these things. You have no idea what they really are and how to identify one, not to mention that no one cares about them when they’re making simple comments on a Yankees blog.
Does a switch turn to “off” in Cano’s head when he thinks that a situation is hopeless?
Thompson was taking a chance with 2 outs.
not a smart one
Playing with a lead, it makes sense to force the other team to make plays. I turned out bad, but it was reasonable.
Cano really had very little chance of actually being able to score on that play. Giving a free out to a pitcher who is struggling mightily just makes no sense.
wow that was a GOD AWFUL send by thompson
Rios is just a pain.
BTW He clearly has changed his stance in the last year.
Just stupidity…. Thomson has no clue how to factor in the game situation. If it happened just once of twice no big deal, but the guy is just too much of a gambler.
- Pitcher with a ridiculous pitch count who’s getting hit.
- Arguably one of the hottest hitters on your team due up.
- The guy has retired 5 batter out of 15! (and one was that smash by Cano)
Did Cano run through a sign or something?
The fact that the whole opportunity came with 2 outs lessens the anger a bit. 2 out runs are like bonuses.
The fact that the opportunity came with 2 out makes no difference.
If the base were loaded and the next 2 batters struck out, it would suddenly become a bad send?
Yes. Thompson has a right to take a chance.
Agreed.
Thompson gets criticized for being too conservative and almost never sending the runner. Other than that…
For anyone that doesn’t have it, there’s a free 10 day trial of MLB.tv going on now.
http://mlb.mlb.com/sponsors/le...../index.jsp
does the trial allow you to see in-market games? For Example I’m at work in Englewood NJ, so the game is blacked out for me. Can I actually see the game?
I think it’s just the standard MLB.tv package for 10 days, meaning blackouts are included. Of course there really is no risk of using a proxy since it’s free.
I already am subscribed to their radio package because I’m blacked out and work in a building with TERRIBLE radio service. I think the building is made of like cinder blocks or something.
I use the MLB.tv package for the same thing, hook up my iphone to the radio when there’s a game going on. I wouldn’t risk using a proxy then. If you’re on the same account as the radio package, they might block you if you’re constantly switching IP addresses across the country.
I was using my Verizon Blackberry in California as a 3G modem, and it was registering an IP address in the NY area so they blacked me out. I called the customer service number and explained that I was actually in California, and they unblocked me.
Make of that what you will.
No. In-market games are blacked out contractually.
I never thought of the WSox as a small ball team. Lots of steals tonight… feels like we’re playing the Angels or Rays
It’s smart of them.
Is Ichiro a real Yankee?
He did hit 2 Homers against the Red Sox…so I guess he has to be at least in the conversation as a True Yankee (TM)
Hm… will some of us cringe a little bit when another player is given #31?
Personally, I always think of ice cream when I see his number, but I’m obsessive that way…
Freddy’s pitching around Ramirez to get to Beckham
I think I heard a “Lets Go Yankees” cheer trying to break out in the stands.
This game is moving frigging slowly.
So Happy about this. I’ll actually get to see some of the game on TV when I get home from work!!!
Awesome!
SIT down. the sweaty chief says
FREDDY!
Freddy Garcia…. cleaning up?? Wow. Freddy isn’t meeting expectations as a fifth starter… he’s definitely exceeding. Now that I sent this though he’ll probably get lit up next inning.
Those Ty Bronx Bomber Beanie Balls are cute! Our cat would love to tear the shit out of one of those things.
That’s it for Floyd
I’ll miss him.
whoa what?
Ha, talk about a quick hook.
Floyd’s out. Got off lucky, the Yanks should be up 6 – 0
FALLLLLLLLLLLLAAAAAACCCCCYYYYYYYY!!!
Correct
Incorrect.
Do you guys know what fallacy means? If you are going to toss the word around, how about looking it up and understanding what it means.
If Michael Kay can toss around the word, so can we.
Right, A fallacy is a logical error. My post was an opinion. Actually, come to think of it, having loaded the bases 3 times they should be ahead 8 – 0.
I think the correct term here is unprovable claim.
I suppose we could look up the number of runs a team with the Yanks avg/OBP/OPS will score, on average, after loading the bases 3 times, two of them with less than two outs.
It’s still an unprovable claim. All that does is establish a probability. It doesn’t take into account the unique variables of the individual circumstances.
I was pre-mocking Greg. I cannot stand his Fallacy remarks.
Freddy will be ok for another start or so until the weather cools off. Once his “sweat” ball doesn’t work anymore it will be back to what we saw at the beginning of the season …. bad!
hahahaha
YES! Let’s destroy that whole bullpen for the rest of the series.
Hey, Mr. Tilapia, before I leave for the bus: Pineda might have bought some supplies from me but any pipes I sold him were for tobacco use only!!!!!!!!!!
Hahahahahah!
You know, with offenses today, long men are not just mop up men anymore. They are going to be good pitchers.
Fallacy!
Supposition, more likely
No, no, no, it’s more like this:
FALLACY
I will take note of that.
I, like Mike, have long stopped caring about how Freddy gets outs. I now look at his starts purely in terms of results, and he gets them.
Who’s leading the Yankees in wins since Pettitte got hurt?
Freddy Garcia with 5.
You would answer that.
I was being sarcastic, since Kay mentioned it several times already.
That was the first time I heard him mention it.
Oh well
Filthy!
and sweaty.
SWEATY!
and filthy.
Geez, Dunn is big. Made Teixeira look small as they were converging on first.
OK, that TGI Fridays Jack Daniels food looked disgusting, except the ice cream.
Sweaty steadies his ship. Nice.
So when Sabathia comes back who gets bumped?
Or does Girardi go with a 6 man rotation as rosters are close to expanding and it would mean playing with a short bench or pen for a week.
It should be Joba.
But it probably won’t be.
Not a chance of a six-man rotation, at least until AL East is clinched, and most likely not even then.
Cone
Big Unit
Clemens…
Wait, Big Unit was on the Yankees in the aughts.
I think the question related to pitchers winning their Cy young in the 1990s.
I thought the question was pitchers who had played for the Yankees ever, and got Cy Young’s with another team in the 90s.
Doug Drabek and Jack McDowell.
Good job!
Big Unit
Roger Clemens
?
?
?
Cone, Clemens,…
Fantasy question: someone dropped Johan Santana today. You guys think he would be worth a flier, or is he pretty much just broken right now?
Who are the rest of your pitchers?
Like, I wouldn’t pick him up, because I don’t think he’s better than any of my seven starters.
Dan Haren, Mat Latos, Jarrod Parker, Madison Bumgarner, Anibal Sanchez, Trevor Cahill, Ben Sheets, Wandy Rodriguez.
Haren has been atrocious this season. Wandy’s not too impressive.
Might be worth a look in that case.
Yeah, Haren has killed me. Still though, he was my top drafted pitcher, and I have more faith in him than in Johan. Wandy has been getting hit pretty hard lately though.
I think Johan is going to be shut down very shortly.
Wasn’t there some discussion of the Mets possibly shutting him down? I think I saw something on MLB Network about that.
I know he’s making his next start, but he will apparently be on a lower pitch count.
I already dropped him. Too much or a risk every time out and he’s not better than any of my starters.
Also the Mets may be shutting him down soon.
Clemens, Coney, and Wells have to be givens.
Jimmy Key and Doc Gooden? I fear Doc was an 80?s Cy Young winner. I’m also willing to throw Black Jack McDowell in there because of the White Sox, but I don’t remember him ever winning the Cy.
Well never won a Cy.
Wells
Wells should have won in 1998, he was 18 and 4 on a championship team while Clemens was 20 and 6 for Toronto and really picked up the pace late in the season for Toronto when it did not matter at all in typical Clemens fashion. Wells was a better Yankee pitcher over his yankee career than Clemens was and far better than Clemens when it counted in the playoffs. Wells was the No 1 pitcher in 98 when the Yankees were the best team in years. When Clemens poached a ring with the Yankees in 99 he was their No 4 starter.
Clemens’s ERA was nearly a full point better than Wells’s in 1998. That is a substantially more important stat than W-L or whether on a championship team for the CY voters.
Clemens was 5 and 6 that year while Toronto was still trying to stay in the race. As they fell out of contention he rallied, found the fountain of juice, and won his last 15 meaningless games in typical Clemens fashion. When he got to Ny unlike Wells who elevated his game Clemens struggled and was demoted to a No 4 starter in 1999 when he finally poached his ring courtesy of the NY Yankees.
I dont think Wells won a Cy Young
Eh, I was spitballing. Wells certainly played for his fair share of teams, so it seemed possible.
He passed Nap Lajoie last week. At least acknowledge it the “controversy.”
Damn right.
Elias must be run by thugs who threaten to take Kay out back and beat him up if he uses any other number. That is also another reason for it to be mentioned.
I’ve determined that Elias must have the wrong information. BRef, Fangraphs, ESPN.com and Wikipedia (which probably just refers to BRef) have Lajoie’s total at 3242.
But I just checked MLB.com, since Elias is their official statistician, and they have Lajoie at 3252. Interestingly enough, the other counting stats are identical between BRef and MLB.com.
I’m guessing that BRef uses Retrosheet and I have a feeling that Retrosheet has done more thorough research on historical stats and players.
That’s it. Cone, Clemens, Johnson, Drabek, and McDowell
BTW What was the exact question. I know it was former Cy Young winners, but did they all have to be from the 90s and was there a time frame when they had to be on the Yankees?
I was certain the range was limited to the 90s for the Cy Young winners.
All on the Yankees who won their Cy Youngs with other teams in the 1990s
I heard it as having played for the Yanks ever, and having won a CY with another team in the 90s.
Okay thanks, all above. I was thinking Bartolo Colon, but he won his Cy in the 00′s.
now’s the time to bust it open
Good baserunning by Jeter
Bring in at least the runner on third!!!!!!!!!!
Surprised Swisher is not running. Tex doesn’t strike out a lot.
Yeah that wasn’t predictable.
73 times in 413 AB.
73 times in 477 PA’s
A 15% K rate is pretty reasonable, especially with a pitcher who’s only striking out 5.4/9IP (pretty low)
There have been a lot of situations this season where Swish just didn’t run… even on double steal attempts.
Crap.
Bad luck there.
fallacy
Gonna go to the gym. This game sucks.
They’re winning 3-0! You and I have very different definitions of “suck”.
Slow and boring man lol
Can’t argue with that.
I’ll give you that. I was hoping it’d be quick so I could get a decent night’s sleep for work tomorrow, but it’s looking like I’ll have to just hope the Yanks don’t blow it in the late innings and go to bed if I want to go that route.
Too fucking SLOW. This is gonna be a four hour game at this pace.
Yeah. If a game is gonna be this slow, I want to at least see the Yankees hang like 12 runs on Chicago.
All the Yankees putting together good at bats. Just nothing to show for it.
FALLACY
There ya go!
Thought we had the H WRISP thing figured out. F U C K
So, does Clemens actually think he’s going to make a come back? Or is he just having fun?
Clemens=postseason choker
per MLBTR: “It is a fun thing and let’s just see how he does Saturday night…That will determine if he pitches for them again.”
WHUT!?
Having fun, I’m sure. Good for him.
Remember when every other post on this board wasn’t “FALLACY?” there use to be actuall intelligent comments once in a while
FALLACY
(I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist)
That’s really just one poster. The rest are people mocking it.
Remember those sweet, warm New England summers? Remember sipping lemonade underneath a shady tree? Remember when you hit that pedestrian with your car at the crosswalk and then just drove away? Pepperidge Farm remembers, but Pepperidge Farm ain’t just gonna keep it to Pepperidge Farm’s self free of charge. Maybe you go out and buy yourself some of these distinctive Milano cookies, maybe this whole thing disappears.
All sorts of awesomeness.
FALLACY
(This one is preemptive)
Are those sliders that are curving down and away from the right handers?
NICE!
Strikes out the side
JJ, random question bud. The other day I was lurking and saw you made a comment about reading a book your potential employers said for you to read about JFK. Any chance you could let me know what book? I feel we have similar interests in this area.
Sure, it’s called “Intelligence: From Secrets to Policy” by Mark Lowenthal.
It’s not about JFK really, it’s about the Intel Community and it’s evolution. Part of that evolution is a different perspective on historical events, such as the Cuban Missile Crisis, Bay of Pigs, Iran-Contra, etc.
Anyway, Lowenthal is a retired member of the IC and basically wrote what is more or less a textbook for that world, only in much more fluid and read-friendly prose. If you have any interest in the IC, I would recommend it.
Absolutely. I’m wading through the river of what I want to do with my life. This is an area that really captures my interest.
With some of the things you said, I say it’s safe to assume you’ve read Guns, Germs, and Steel?
Freddy Garcia: strikeout king of the world.
Tampa Bay is never going to lose again.
Thankfully their stretch of playing mediocre/terrible teams ends with this Royals series.
They only lose on perfect games and throwing errors.
Unreal.
Put some more runs on the board already and finish this thing. Freddy is pitching his heart out once again. And Tampa just keeps winning and winning and winning and winning. We have to do the same.
Why is orange juice so expensive?
Must be all the sugar they add.
The Rays are going to crash back down to Earth, and when they do, it will not be pretty (except for us).
They are a really good team.
Eh. Their offensive is very underwhelming minus Longoria. I’ll give their rotation the respect it deserves, though.
That’s a foul ball. Umps mess up again.
Or not
How can you possibly tell from those angles?
Ibanez looks so lost out there in the left field corner.
I’m so glad the Ichiro acquisition has kept him from playing the outfield.
Yeah, what the hell. Why is he out there today? Is Swish DHing for some reason? Didn’t really notice that until now because I’ve been conditioned to see Ibanez in the field. His glove should have been put away.
He’s gotta play out there when Swisher is DH.
I’d love to hear what Hawk is saying about this.
MERCY!!
YESSS!!! YESSS!
WAIT. YOU CAAAANNNN TAKE IT OFF THE BOOOOOOAAAARDDD….NNOOOOO!!! NNOOOOO!
ALEXIIIIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!!
Umps got it right, good job.
Can’t tell from the any of the camera angles, but it seems like that had to be fair. It started pretty fair, and bounced just inches from the line and far from the base, so I can’t see how it didn’t go over the bag. Whatever.
Obviously foul. Ibañez is terrible in left.
Watch out for the bunt. It can turn this game around.
“Right now I just want to cuss.” – Hawk
Will 3 be enough?
Watch out for the HR. It can turn this game around.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
That’s a karma home run.
2 more outs and get him out of there.
Please don’t let Dewayne Wise’s HR turn the season around.
did you hear the sox fan that said “hit a homerun so you can call it foul” and not even a second later it’s gone. sheesh
hahahaha i was JUST about to post the same thing
unreal
Yeah, i heard him. I had a sense of deja vu there.
I hate teams who set off fireworks after every home run. Act like you’ve been there before.
+1
I remember last year Dunn hit a homer in the 9th with the Yankees up 8-1 or something and they set off fireworks like it was a walkoff or something.
Oh fuck.
ESPN’s not loading sh*t. Are the Yankees losing yet?
Nevermind. D.Wise! A personal favorite. JEAH!
Bleh. Please don’t go apeshit on Freddy, he’s been very good. We really should have more than 3 runs.
Got totally stoked when I saw dewayne Wise hit another home run tonight on Gameday… And then i realized he was no longer our dewayne wise…#sadface
Seems the like the umps have woken the White Sox up
Look at all the fucking smoke hanging over the field. MLB should not allow this shit.
Dammit Freddy you were doing so well.
Freddy’s stuff is up. Thus could get nasty
Did anyone expect Garcia to throw a shutout tonight?
They haven’t tacked on a single run since they knocked Floyd out of the game. 3 runs against a lineup like the White Sox have is hardly game over.
This team makes it hard on itself by not getting in the easy runs. Teixeira chasing ball 4 and hitting into that DP in the 3rd inning totally changed the momentum of the game, which the Yankees were very close to blowing open at that point.
totally changed the momentum of the game
WELL!?!?!?
Right. Freddy pitched a good game. Another case of choking WRISP.
If I told you they scored 3 runs in a game that Garcia pitched on the road against the White Sox, you’d probably tell me they lost that game.
This isn’t a shock. The offense has been on cruise control since the 3rd inning, and now that Garcia is going through this lineup again they are starting to adjust. They tend to get an early lead and then kick back and relax hoping the pitcher will do all the work.
You really think the Yanks batters “kick[ed] back and relax[ed]” once they took a 3-0 lead, meaning that they didn’t try as hard as they could to get hits when at the plate? This is one of the most absurd things I’ve ever heard anyone say about a baseball game. Batters can’t increase their likelihood of getting a hit by “trying harder” at the plate.
Where did I say they don’t try? I said they “relax.” That means they change their approach and don’t have the same quality of at bats. If you watch this team, it’s obvious when they enter “cruise control” mode, when they stop being patient and start taking big swings at everything.
It looks that way in retrospect because they failed to get hits, but it’s an illusion.
No it’s not. Bad approach leads to bad results. When you get too aggressive, you tend to swing at pitcher’s pitches and get yourself out.
Their approach against Santiago at first was to take pitches early in the cont that were even strikes because they didn’t think he could throw enough strikes with breaking pitches to finish them off. Teix spit on 3 straight changeups in the dirt after falling behind 0-2. There is no need to swing early in the count against a guy who struggles to put you away.
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! One-run game!
And you are completely wrong about the ability that a hitter has to increase their chance to get a hit by “trying harder.” If you lose your focus and swing at bad pitches, you can certainly decrease your chance of getting a hit. You can see when teams give up in blowout games and start swinging at everything. If you lose your patience you are not going to have as much success.
I don’t blame the other announcer for staying away from Hawk.
Freddy’s been just a little off. Is the pen up? He can wiggle out of this, or it can get nasty quickly.
Take him out Joe.
Ugly baseball game tonight.
Why is Joe leaving him in? Ffucks sake take him out.
Ryan Dempster picked a very good time for his first good Rangers start.
Girardi’s so ready to pull Freddy.
How the hell do you leave him in?
No one’s warmed up yet.
Thought Eppley and Rapada have been warming…
Based on when they called the pen, I don’t think they were ready in time for this batter.
Could be. I was under the impression that call was checking to see if they were ready yet. I might be wrong. (or they weren’t ready)
He’s gone after Konerko
JJ, the bus ride has lost it’s magic. Unless Erica’s been in the bathroom for the entire 5th.
Well, she hasn’t been posting. So I can only assume that she’s been on the toilet the whole time.
Let this be a lesson: Now matter how well he’s pitching at the time, no matter how good he might look up to any given point in the game, in the end he’s still Freddy Garcia. Make sure your pen is ready.
This. Apparently Cashman likes Freddy a lot more than he warrants.
All this because the Yankees couldn’t blow it open early. Also Girardi should counter pretty soon if they keep throwing lefties against our lefty lineup.
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Fucking Girardi always a day late and a dollar short.
Respect the man with a ring.
Like Melky?
As well as Freddy pitched he can’t even complete 5. I appreciate what Freddy’s done but hopefully Phelps gets this next start.
I’d much rather have Phelps replace Nova.
unfortunately, true at this point
C’mon, ROOGY!
nice catch by Robbie. To bad he couldn’t hold onto the ball.
Actually both teams have missed opportunities to break it open.
This has been a painful game on multiple levels. It’s still not even an official game.
This is why you don’t leave the bases loaded time and time again. When the starting pitcher is trying to hand you the ballgame you take it and knock them out. Then Teixera goes up there and does the only thing he can do to not get a run in. And now it’s all tied up, folks. Freddy’s great outing wasted because of the offense.
That is wrong on so many levels.
Great outing? That’s very generous for a pitcher knocked out in the fifth inning.
Hey, that’s an ace by RAB standards.
I wouldn’t call it a great outing. He went 4 1/3 and basically imploded. The RiSPFAIL is another matter…
He didn’t “implode.” He walked their #3 and #4 hitters trying to make perfect pitchers because the offense didn’t give him much of a cushion. He made 1 bad pitch to Wise, and gave up bad hop ground balls besides that.
This is why you don’t leave the bases loaded time and time again. When the starting pitcher is trying to hand you the ballgame you take it and knock them out.
You make it sound like they chose to do that. I really don’t understand this attitude that somehow baseball players don’t try hard enough to get hits or make outs, and if only they tried harder they could do better. The best batters in the league get a hit less than one third of the time.
Exactly.
Why Yankee-White Sox games become pull your hair out fests? Those are reserved mostly for Rays and Angels games.
Bad LOOGY.
LNOGY
So even if Tex had driven that run in, it would still be a tied game.
In hindsight of course.
And that’s a case of a lefty specialist flat out not doing his job.
so ridiculous. this game should have been a blowout.
I don’t care how much of an asshole AJ Pierzynski is, Yanks should make him an offer next year. I’m fed up with Martin/Stewart.
I concur. I like Stewart as a backup, but if Martin can’t maintain at least a .230 BA then we have to find someone else.
But you seem to forget that Russell Martin or not, catchers ( not named Jorge or Pudge ) typically don’t hit worth a shit…
I was thinking this, but then I remembered that he is a prime example of “Contract Year Playing Over Your Head-itis”
Fortunately it’s only the 5th, so we do have another 3 1/2 hours of baseball for the Yankees to make a comeback.
Fuck you d. Wise
that’s a case of a lefty specialist who shouldn’t be on the roster. cut him, eppley too.
Definitely. They suck.
Joba too.
4-man pen ftw!
I think many of us had us winning 1 of 3 in this series.
I don’t see this Joba-Viciedo matchup ending well.
Now it’s just getting worse and worse…
I don’t want any negativity please. Its a frickin’ game
Meh, losses still suck dude.
Can we just get out of this inning w/o any more damage?
So this is what H WRISP looks like….
Seriously. Can we switch hitting coaches? Kevin Long seems to be too obsessed with guys’ homerun swings. I’d rather have an offense that is well rounded.
Chicago is 2-8 wRISP
Yankees are 2-7.
Joba? White flag time. Why not Lowe when the bases loaded and you needed a dp ball?
The White Sox showing the Yankees how to make a struggling pitcher pay. Jeez.
Wow this game is imploding. Such a shame. How many runs did Garcia give up before he was pulled? 3? Not terrible for a 5th starter.
John Sterling is going with “Alex-Eye” Ramirez… So thats fun
Even if we had blown it open say, 6-0 or 7-0, it would have been close.
In hindsight
They have only scored 3 runs despite knocking the opposing starter out after 2.1 IP. They have only scored 3 runs, despite having had 12 baserunners and 7 AB with RISP.
The pitching fell apart, but this is a completely different game if the offense does its part to tack on runs. A lot of the walks in that inning by Garcia came from having to pitch extremely carefully to guys like Dunn and Konerko because the game was closer than it should have been.
Wrong. That’s a fallacy
You mean a FALLACY.
Nah, i think he means a “fallice-C”
Explain how that’s a fallacy Greg. If the Offense does it’s job and tacks on runs, there’s a chance we still have the lead or the game is at least tied.
While I appreciate you defending me, that’s actually not what I was saying.
I was saying that the big inning was set up by Garcia having to pitch more carefully to their big hitters because the offense didn’t give him much of a cushion. As you saw before the home run, he went at those guys a lot more aggressively.
The lack of offense changed his approach, and that inning was really set up by the walks. You don’t know if they would have scored all those runs if the Yankees led say 4-0 or 5-0 going into that inning.
You might want to try reading the post before you respond to it next time. I was saying the complete opposite of that.
Why isn’t Lowe in there Joe. Fuck you,
Still very winnable against this bullpen
I can’t believe that we went from being up three runs with our SP dealing to being reduced to bringing in arguably our worst pitcher in the 5th inning of a 4-3 game. Baseball is cruel.
EVERYBODY LISTEN TO HIM.
Wow why not let Garcia finish the job? Gotta have more confidecne in your starters joe…the man had 8 striekouts what your telling me couldnt get 2 outs?
You’re losing me, BM.
lol 5 ER in 4 1/3 inning. Yea, it sucks for anyone, 5th starter or not.
Poor Mark Feinsand had to sit up in the WCBS booth for that entire abortion of an inning… You could literally hear him dying inside every time he had to sit through each of those pitching changes…
Our catchers have dreadful at the plate. I really don’t get the Stewart trade. Why not keep Kontos and just play Cervelli? He’s just as bad as Stewart.
THere was not a 3rd catcher in the org to play at the MLB level if there was an injury. Romaine was hurt. It never seemed like a move to replace Cirvelli, but a move to add a catcher and since Stewart had no more options Cirvelli went down.
Of all the shitty catchers though…. How about one that could either hit or play a nice defensive catcher? Either one woulda been cool, really
I trust Phelps more than Freddy or NOva right now. With how well TB is playing and the strong possiblity of it being down to a 4 game lead after tonight, I wonder if they still pull Phelps from the rotation when CC comes back.
In fact the only situation that the Yankees failed was the Tex at bat.
All the others came with 2 outs which you dont expect scoring from
FALLACY.
Logic. And odds
Not really.
“fallice-C”!!!!!!’
37.7% of all MLB runs have scored with 2 outs this year. Stop talking out of your ass please.
Who is this Derek Jeter???????
Jeter is playing at a level beyond “on fire”.
JEETS!!!!!!!!!!
Man, 2012 Jeter is something else!
Jeter’s on fire, let’s steal this one back.
I’m starting to have a hard time believing this is really 38 y/o Derek Jeter.
YESSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!! He fucking turned on that one!!!
This fucking team. I am done with this Joba and Hughes stuff.
BYE
El Captain.
We are all witnesses
Nice, Derek. I like living here in 2002 again, although still smarting off last October’s Game 7. At least we can always count on beating the Red Sox.
1918!
2002 was pretty awesome…
02 was awesome. 06′ was nuts. 09′ was out-of-this-world batshit insane.
Meant to be 99′.
Now plate him Robbie for fuck’s sake!
Damn, Swisher’s triple slash over the last 30 days is .310/.383/.524. Dude is raking. I don’t think that includes tonight, either.
I just hope all that raking makes it to October.
Is it really only the top of the 6th?
TOO SLOW!
I’ll take slow if we win this fucker!
What is Robin Ventura doing? This kid’s previous high is 57.
Hes a graduate of the Joe Torre school of Baseball Mgmt.
Giving him the old Proctor treatment… Burn him up, I’ll go get me another!
You can’t plan this shit out the way a few of you seem to think is possible. When the best batters in the league get a hit less than 1/3 of the time, you can’t attribute the failure to string hits together to bring in runs in particular situations to some specific cause that if only the batters did something “better” would have been different. Baseball is a game where scoring depends on combining relatively low probability events relatively randomly. This is why a winning percentage of 60% over a season is extremely good, and why any single game is almost completely unpredictable.
Thank you.
Comeback time…you can do it put your BATS into it!
Holy shit. Can the Rays please go on a 10 game losing streak? They just won’t go away.
Let’s score some runs!
This is getting interesting again…
YEAHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
clutch bloop!!
That’ll work.
Umm…MLB.tv just jumped ahead on me.
Bunt single by Tex? WHAT?!?!
Either I misheard, or Kay botched the recap of the play.
Bloop to left field.
I know you guys say Robbie’s a good base runner…how is he not on third base? That is the kind of ball you play halfway, and go to third the second it touches grass.
Who says Robbie is a good baserunner?
Apparently there are stats out there that say he’s above average…I don’t think he is, but numbers don’t lie.
Wow. I think that’s one out of the handful of times that BABIP has worked in our favor this year!
Damn, gotta head out to a bball game, just when this game was getting good. Everyone hold down the fort while I’m gone!
You’re heading out to a game? Where are you?
Bloop single we’ll take it.
That’s Ventura’s fault. He left Santiago out there way to long.
Yes.
Yes. He must have a copy of Joe’s binder.
Maybe Youklis moving from the Red to the Pale Hose means five-hour games now take place in Chicago. Much less interesting without the natural tension of a Yankee-Red Sox game.
I’m scared that Grandy slowly is becoming a platoon bat instead of an everyday guy.
.836 vs RHP
.824 vs LHP
Relax. That’s not his issue.
Lets keep this lead!!
McGEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHHAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!
Casey McGehee: True Yankee
Casey McGehee!!!!!!
yeeeeeeussss !
Thanks Casey!
Don’t stop here.
Huge AB for McGhee
Why isn’t Jones hitting here?
Don’t want to waste all your bullets in one go
I guess he should have saved Jones for the next time there was a chance to drive in a few runs against a LHP.
Singleton said it. They would have gone to Jones. And I don;t care about career OBP
Just because Singleton said it doesn’t make it a legit argument. You have a 1 run lead against a good offensive team, with runners on first and second, two out w/ a lefty on the mound and a platoon lefty at the plate? You pinch hit. He did it with the hotter hitter in Chavez, with a tied score, why not w/ the lesser and colder Ibanez.
Binder says when you’re leading you don’t burn up a player by pinch hitting. ARGHHH
Ugh, I don’t understand that logic. Yes its the 6th inning but there’s no guarantee that you’ll have runners on base or RISP. I would pinch hit if there are men on.
you’ll have runners on base or RISP *later on
Because Joe Girardi thinks with a lead Ibanez can hit lefties?
Garcia was pulled when it was 3-2 right?
I know the bases were loaded, but this is not a bullpen designed to give you almost 5 innings when 3 of arms should only be in for a couple of batters.
This is where the inability to tack on early really hurt. Maybe if Thomson isn’t running into outs when 10 of the first 15 hitters reach base and the Yankees could cash in an extra runner or two, Garcia wouldn’t have been on such a short leash.
McGehehehehehe
Wild game.
Nice move by Girardi there knowing Ventura wouldn’t pull his lefty.
Is it just me or does Granderson have the largest strike zone on the outside part of the plate, it seems that sweeping curve/slider is always off the plate, but called a strike. Just am observation. Thoughts?
Why not Jones for Ibanez, better vs lefty and a better fielder? Sox might have gone with a right hander but it would have made Ventura go deeper earlier to his pen. Is Joe saving him for later?
Now Lowe to eat some innings?
I suppose taking Joba out and going with Lowe is too much to ask?
Jobber in line for the win…
Nevermind. I’ll sit in the corner now.
Here’s your marathon Yanks-Sox game, haters.
Still Joba.
Still Joba? Wtf, where is Lowe?
Joba sucks, where the fuck is Lowe.
FUCK!!!!!!!
Oh, come on. Beckham is not good.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuuck me.
Joba waited what, 4 pitches, to give it back? so lame.
This game is wild
Well that was short lived. What a seesaw of a game.
Enjoy the Empire State Yankees, Joba.
Get him the hell out of the game please.
There’s really NOBODY else we could put in besides Joba? NOBODY?
Kay got way too excited for that home run. Is he trying to be the anti-Hawk?
Derek Lowe please.
Unreal
Joba has been fucking garbage
I commend him for coming back so fast from multiple injuries but it’s time for Joba to be the mop up man until next season.
I’m happy that he was able to recover from the injury this season, but they brought him back to the big club way too soon.
2.85 WHIP. 2.85. Speaks for itself
I had enough of Joba.
Has Lowe even made an appearance since hie 4 inning save?
*his
Yesterday- he came in for one out.
He got the last out on Saturday.
Why is Joba pitching in close games with Lowe available?
Joba should not be pitching in games the Yankees are ahead until he gets back some command. The Yanks are in a pennant race and Tampa is not going away.
Ahead or tied, but I agree.
Joba should be in AAA until the last possible moment. Then they can bring him up and let him sit in the bullpen.
Hits Youk, of course.
Jobber hitting Youkilis.
Shocking.
first time ever
I just celebrated my second birthday since the start of this game. Friends and family stopping by, worried I haven’t moved in roughly a year.
You can always count on Joba to give up game tying/go ahead homers. Seriously. Why was everyone excited to have him back? He’s the posterchild for bullpen implosions.
For once you’re not overstating things.
This is such fuckery
wow dude fucking HATES yook
Please tell me Lowe is at least warming up.
Joba’s a fucking idiot to hit Youkalis in a tie game. He is clueless and just put his team in jeopardy of blowing this game.
Youklis must done something to Joba. How many times has he hit him? Maybe he gave him a trampoline as a present.
That was the first time.
Stop ruining my narratives!
He’s also thrown above his head several times, enough to warrant getting tossed from at least one game. Justify it however you want, Joba is headhunting
What is Joba doing in this game? Where the fuck is Lowe?
I’m ok with Joba hitting Youk, cause it’s never not funny.
Joba vs Youk…I live for this!!
I love how the White Sox play like shit against the Royals but play like champions against the Yankees.
i get trying to get Joba ready for the stretch run and all but a loss the Rays are within 4…lets not throw away a game.
Get him ready in AAA he sucks
Kay: Don’t you want to know why Joba has hit Youkilis so many times.
That was the first time Joba has ever actually hit Youk.
Even I think Joba is an asshole. Seriously dude, stop fucking around with Youk.
JOBA FUCKING SUCKS. JOBA FUCKING SUCKS.
but seriously. wtf Joba
OK, enough of hitting Youkillis. Get him out if you want to prove some point.
YCPB!
Gotta imagine it takes much much longer as a reliever to get the sharpness back just from the sheer difference innings per appearance from what a starter would throw during rehab.
I seriously think people forget how much of a shitty reliever Joba is. He’s not good. Straight fastball and a decent at best slider.
And whats worse is he is way too predictable. For a while I thought a 3-2 slider was an actual pitch type because of Joba.
People are asking why Lowe isn’t coming in. This is why
0-1 with a 30.86 ERA this year against Chicago.
2.1 10H 8R
Two-inning sample = meaningless.
but a four inning sample isn’t? Lowe was god awful before those 4 innings for just about all season.
When did I say Lowe was good, or advocate for him to enter the game?
A 2 inning sample doesn’t mean anything. Joba has sucked since he came back.
Joba has also been god awful. Lowe has at least looked fine in his 2 appearances with the Yankees (and he was fine for April and most of May). That’s a lot more than you can say about Joba.
Also, Lowe has been terrible against everybody else as well before that four out save.
Not against Texas.
He had a good start against them before that
Dude, stop with this argument. You’re making yourself look bad.
I like how you used a 2.1 IP sample size to prove your point.
THIS is proper use of the binder.
That’s one game. Joba has been awful every game.
He pitched 2.1 innings.
As Sherlock Holmes would say:
Observe everything.
As I would say:
That has absolutely no relevance to what I just said. Nor am I even sure Holmes ever actually said that.
Joba’s greatest hits.
Girardi better hope this game only goes 9 innings, because he is going to have nobody left in the bullpen if it doesn’t.
His mixing and matching is getting tiring at this point, especially when he doesn’t have a very deep bullpen to work with. At this point, maybe it’s time to DFA Eppley and bring up a guy who can throw a complete inning. Righty specialist? Any mediocre righty could get righties out at the rate he has!
Eppley has not been good.
Don’t apologize, Michael. You’ve been wrong on far worse things.
What’s up with Joba and Youk, did Youk have relations with his sister, his girl…seriously. WTF!
Nice play, Cano!
Robbie playing SS?
Cano has such a good arm.
That’s amazing how easy Cano made that look.
Cano is too smooth.
For kids still watching, this is exactly how NOT to pitch. Horrible game by both teams – Yankees should be up 10-4
Yanks put up 10 runs this next inning and make everyone forget about this madness.
I cannot believe everybody was clamoring for Lowe, and has been since that four inning save. Don’t get me wrong, he was fucking great in that outing, but go look at his B-Ref game log for every game before that: He’s been TERRIBLE all year. To expect him to do what he did one night again is just silly.
Joba is worse.
Not all year. He was fine at the beginning of the year.
Lowe might be terrible, but we already know Joba is definitely terrible right now. With Lowe, there’s at least some indication he may have figured something out. Joba just looks like garbage every time out.
Supposedly he had mechanical problems and after he got released he fixed them with a coach down in Florida before he got picked up by the Yanks. So the idea is that his four-out save established that he had, indeed, fixed the problem. So it’s not just, “He was great in one outing this year, so AWESOME PITCHER.”
Agreed.
Not to mention, Joba was actually pitching badly at the moment. He wasn’t a hypothetical. We needed to get him out.
This game is gonna end with more lead changes than a NASCAR race.
I don’t want to make it sound like I’m part of the reactionary crowd, but Joba’s command is way off. Time in AAA, perhaps as a starter where he can pitch multiple innings, might be helpful before a September recall. The Twins banished Nathan to meaningless innings last year until he regained his command late in the season. The Yankees migh have an option the Twins didn’t, which is AAA. I say might since not sure if Joba has any options.
It would be beneficial for Joba.
Exactly.
I still think it was those fucking gnats in Cleveland that fucked him up.
He does have options, but I believe he’d have to clear waivers.
Though from what I understand, that’s more of a formality in situations like this, because the waivers are revocable.
Lefty pitchers fear Chris Stewart!
Lowe is probably coming in if the game goes to extras.
Correct. He’s the long man.
Both teams burning through their ‘pens.
I don’t have the energy to sit through the rest of this game. I’m already losing my hair, no need to lose more.
Usual themes. Yankee BA RISP fail.. joba stinks, rapada is a 50 50 proposition at best…
I would have taken freddy out after the first walk, he was petrified to throw a strike and it may have limited the bleeding.
were is Lowe? he should get in over Joba. Bottom line Jobahas been bad, the guy is pitching to almost a 500 BA against…….
“Yankee BA RISP fail”
Yankees are 4-11 with RISP today. When did a .364 AVG become fail.
GFYS.
Good grief, I just got home and checked the box score. It looks like Freddy didn’t have it tonight. At all.
Not true. He was great for four innings. He lost it in the fifth.
Hey guys, just remember: According to Greg, if you pitch 2.1 innings badly against a team, you are obviously incapable of ever getting anybody out on that team ever again. Those 2.1 bad innings prove that.
Furthermore, if you have good numbers in a couple of games against a better team then even though you can’t pitch to the worse offense you’re fine going against the best offense in the league because of that sample size.
Greg’s logic has enlightened me to higher planes of understanding. I was so narrow-minded before I read his comments.
Myers lives in his own little world.
Remember in Game 5 of the ALDS last year? With the Yankees trailing in a close game, because it *might* be the last game of the season, he felt like he had to get EVERY pitcher in the game.
In a game that was never more than a 2 run game, he burnt through Hughes, Logan, Sabathia, Soriano, Robertson, and Rivera. The only pitchers left in the bullpen were Cory Wade and Luis Ayala. If they had tied the game up, he would have had maybe 5 innings tops left in that bullpen, of which 4 would have been incredibly mediocre.
He took out a good lefty who has always been a reliever (Logan) to bring in another lefty who has never relieved (Sabathia). He had two pitchers come into that game who had been starters that year, and had them throw a combined 3 innings with no long relief pitcher on the staff.
Sometimes you just wonder whether he’s making moves just to make moves…
stewart with the 280 obp with literally no power.
he is hard to watch…….
Jeter is just unreal!
Old man Jeter is unreal.
Derek is just on another fucking level right now.
Derek is having an unbelievable night.
Good lord Jeter is on fire
Jeter….unreal.
NOW PLATE THE CAPTAIN
Joba’s era is 9 plus, what the fuck was he in a game we were ahead in?
Who else is there? And don’t say Lowe because we need him if we go to extras.
Lowe. Sorry, but the game has to be played based on what’s happening now, not based on what might happen in the future. Especially extra innings, which aren’t even a guarantee to occur.
Logan could also have come in sooner. He’s better than Eppley, Rapada, and Chamberlain.
You can’t be thinking about extras in the 5th.
Everybody jump on, the captain is carrying
Bad luck
unlucky… he hit it hard.
Is there anyone here that still thinks that Jeter is too old?
Just wondering anyone from the last 2 winters anyone?
Really have to imagine JOba gets sent down to work on shit at this point. I imagine they have seen enough at this point.
it was the catcher running… field that ball
What a lucky cheap hit.
AJ Pierzynski just looks like a scumbag…
Seriously, this game fucking sucks.
Game over?
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand…
Fuck.
AUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yankee middle relief is simply awful.
Cashman acting like they charge Yankees transaction fees everytime they make a roster move. Just allowing the pen to be exhausted.
It’s not like they have great options waiting in AAA. They needed to make a trade at the deadline, but instead banked on Joba being good. That strategy isn’t looking so good right now.
Just not their day
boone logan, relief ace..
fucking hate this bullpen right now.
So much Lowe love after Joba’s performance, it’s like as if people weren’t openly mocking the team a couple of weeks ago after signing him.
go with the hot hand, go with the warm hand, go with anything but Joba at this point..
It’s much more of an anti-Joba thing than a pro-Lowe thing.
How dare he not come back razor sharp from TJS like Strasburg and unlike just about anyone else I can think of.
That’s fine. But he should be sharpening up in AAA or in mop-up situations, not with the game on the line.
Yep.
Well, I’m speaking for myself but I thought the Lowe signing was a good one.
Also, I only wanted Lowe because Joba has been pitching completely awful and has given us no reason to hope for improvement.
Lowe actually gave a reason for why he might improve, and then had a good game.
I didn’t think Lowe would be great. What I DID think is that Joba would be terrible. I stand by my “put in Lowe” position.
To clarify: To hope for improvement THIS YEAR.
How were you so sure Joba was going to be terrible? Now that I think of it I can’t even remember how his minor league rehab went. Although, if things were bad I’m sure I would have noticed.
Also, Joba came back July 1st, Lowe signed Aug 13th. IMO not enough time to evaluate Joba enough to really have wanted Lowe.
I’m going by his previous games with the Yankees this year. He was awful, and there’s very good reason to believe that the cause isn’t going to go away any time soon-namely, he was coming back from Tommy John surgery.
Lowe was a good signing because Joba WAS coming off of TJS. He had a big red flag attached to him.
Crap, I meant July 31st. I see what you mean though. Lowe was sort of insurance, in case Joba did tank. Still, we didn’t know back then how he would fare and whether signing Lowe was excessive (you could make the age-old depth argument, though). NOW its clear Lowe was a good signing, softening the blow of a reeling Joba.
God damnit.
I wish our bullpen didnt fucking suck. I feel like i’ve been spoiled the past few years from excellent yankee bullpens. This year we have 2 good relievers (soriano, robertson)
I tihnk everyone just went cold. Lets not completely say that they all suck considering they have been great as a unit all year. Right now though, the matching up is getting exposed big time and there are too many cold hands otu there and Girardi keeps reaching in and finding it. Its a problem but one that is near impossible to fix right now other than hope they turn it around.
I agree. They’ll turn it around. If there’s one thing Joe is good at, it’s making bullpens. I think if we just hold down the fort they’ll get it turned around. Relievers are tricky little fellows.
Wait GREG, how can Lowe be warming now?
What if the game goes into extras?
boone with the 4.10 era. they think he is a difference maker, he has not been for 45 days or more.
rapada’s era is a mirage… eppley has done crap in a while… same with logan, and rapada. the pen is robertson, soriano, and pray……
close game on the road; same formula for failure BA RISP, pen leaky, and you have a loss………..
Citing ERA’s for relievers? That’s like citing Arod’s RBI total.
Umm, he did said that the low ERA’s are MISLEADING.
If your ERA though is over 4.00 as a reliever…
Don’t worry. We have at least another two hours of baseball in front of us here.
I vote the game the most annoying of the season. I’m not sure I have the patience to keep watching it.
Watching all these fucking White Sox home runs I have Hawk’s homer home run calls stuck in my head.
Must go watch Borg-related Star Trek The Next Generation episode to eliminate them.
I was about to post just this. What an annoying fucking game. I’m honestly going to bed in a few minutes.
There’s nothing really likeable about the White Sox, even with shithead Guillen gone.
I blame Freddy Garcia. He could have stopped this.
We’re still making the playoffs and we have a backup number 1 to pitch in the ALDS.
the way things are going, they might need said number 1 to pitch a 1 game playoff just to make it to the ALDS
CC in the one game playoff. Kuroda in game 1.
They’re not winning it all though. NL team is going to do it.
Now it’s 8 to 6 and Lowe’s up and Jones is still on the bench, not a hall of fame game for Joe.
So you want him fired.
No. Just because someone doesn’t like a move the manager makes doesn’t mean they want them fired. You jump right to the other extreme.
He doesn’t know why he goes to extremes.
I prefer going to extremes. Makes life simple.
When you’re 4. Yes.
Fucking horrible way to start out this series. I don’t know who to blame.
Girardi left Freddy in too long and used Joba in a tight situation. Two big mistakes. But we still could have put 10 runs across with a some clutch hitting.
bullpen has been 1 good arm short for a while. thought Joba could be that arm but the answer so far to that is an emphatic no..
yep not alot of cheap hits except pirzynskis joke……..
Choke WRISP and a pen collapse. Bad combo. Can’t wait to hear Joe on the post game: “hey, that’s baseball.” Fuck you.
.333 wRISP is choke?
Nobody should be wondering why they can’t win one-run games. It’s pretty much entirely the bullpen.
The offense fights and fights every night, and usually does enough to win these games. It’s the bullpen that continually chokes away leads and gives up crushing tack on runs.
It’s the same reason they don’t have a lot of late inning comebacks. Hard to come back when your bullpen allows 2 extra runs to turn a 1-run game into a 3-run game.
The weakness is the bullpen, not the rotation. Phelps deserves to start, but the need is the bullpen right now and he stabilizes the pen by being able to give them 2 or 3 solid innings at a time instead of 2 or 3 batters. When Pettitte comes back, throw one of Hughes or Nova in there as well.
yep era and rbi’s mean nothing actually they are thinking about eliminating both those stats along with wins…
like arod and canos’ crappy rbi totals are simply a mirage. there lack of clutchness is a fiction….miguel cabrera’s 100+ rbi’s means nothing Cano is actually a better hitter…………
Hypothetical, if a batter comes up with teh bases loaded every time and gets a single and another batter comes up with no one on base and hits a homerun everytime, using RBIs, the first batter is better. The obvious idea is taht there is deeper stats to this that can show who is a better hitter beyond the fact that one hitter gets the advantage of a better situation for compiling those numbers.
Ursula?
We need better relievers next year. Rapada, Joba, and Eppley aren’t cutting it.
Yeah, the middle relief helped win a lot of games for the Yanks early on, but they’ve been crap since the All-Star break or so.
at least put up a fight.. please don’t go down in order
Mark Montgomery needs to be in the bullpen. NOW!
Cano misses a FB down the middle and Teix misses a hanging curve.. not a winning formula
and to end the inning, another straight fastball in the heart of the plate that granderson couldn’t hit hard.. great job!
This game is so annoying that I don’t even find “fallacy” to be all that funny. Let me try it….
….faaaaallacccyyyyy…..
Not working. Let me combine all my Greg memes and see if it’s funny.
I’m the son and the heir of a shyness that is……fucking racist fallacy……
Nah.
I’ll go to bed now. The Yankees will heed my call and win this in the 9th…..or they won’t and I’ll have at least missed an annoying 9th inning and stuart blabbing about ERA and RBIs or something.
It’s not like the Yankees have been playing bad ball of late. The Rays have just gotten red hot. If they keep going to the end of the season, more power to them.
Maybe when TB overtakes us we’ll start to play like we give a shit.
They are not going to win the WS. The Reds are.
They just won 9 of 12. How are they not playing like they give a shit?
they didn’t win 13 of 12.
Girardi’s biggest flaw as a manager is his overreliance on the bullpen.
He would rather bank on 4 or 5 relief pitchers being sharp on a given night than go with the guy who has already shown he is comfortable, even without his usual level of bullpen depth.
With so many factors possibly impacting a pitcher’s performance on a given night: the condition of the mound, how the guy slept last night, the strength of the wind, you name it, the odds are pretty low that all 4 or 5 of those guys will “have it” that night, especially when 3 of those guys are probably mediocre.
He backs himself against the wall with his moves, saving his best relievers for the 8th/9th innings no matter what the situation, and burning through half his bullpen to get through one inning.
Exactly which reliever showed he was “comfortable” this game. They all sucked. The problem is Joba is useless and they have too many OOGY’s.
I’m speaking in general terms. Yet, although none of the pitchers were sharp tonight, that is not shocking when you bring in guys like Eppley and Joba right now. Garcia was a better option than both of them, but Girardi is in love with his matchups.
He’s done it a ton of times this season, where his pitcher retires the first 2 batters of an inning, and then he has to bring in a lefty just because a lefty is coming up. Even though there is a 3 run lead with 2 outs and nobody on! And when that lefty walks a few guys to set up a rally, a third pitcher has to come in to clean it up, and a 4th guy has to warm up which might affect his performance the next day. It all ties together.
“Garcia was a better option than both of them”
Strongly disagree. Better option than Joba , but Freddy was starting to lose command and get hit hard. He needed to come out.
He hung a few pitches in that inning, but he was making some great pitches still on those hitters.
He was not losing command. He was purposely pitching carefully to Dunn and Konerko because the offense left him no wiggle room. He made some great pitches to Konerko that he didn’t swing at.
His option was not David Robertson, it was Cody Eppley. His bullpen has almost no depth right now, and quite frankly it’s his own fault because he burnt out some of his middle relievers early on by treating too many of his guys as specialists.
You have to know your team. Everyone outside of Logan, Robertson, and Soriano is garbage right now. When the pen is short, you can’t be so quick with the hook.
Torre won 4 rings with an overeliance on the bullpen.
You think he should have gone with Lowe right away to relieve Freddy?
No. I think he should have realized that his options at that point were so bad that he should have just left Garcia in the game. Girardi needs to have more faith in his starters, and Garcia was not imploding in that inning. He had walked two hitters, but by pitching around them to some extent.
His bullpen is not very deep right now, but by bringing in so many specialists in that inning he put himself in a spot in which they all needed to be perfect or the inning would fall apart. If Rapada falls behind on the lefty and doesn’t retire him, then you have to go to Joba who hasn’t been very sharp.
When you bring in a guy to face one batter, you can’t be shocked if his control is not perfect right away. The reliance on specialists this year with all the injuries has led to guys like Wade getting burnt out.
And this is what happens when I go out to dinner with my kids. Jesus.
All I have to wonder is how Joba can still be considered a viable member of this bullpen? He gives up runs every time he pitches. Let him get his sea legs back down in AAA.
I’m pretty sure I’ve decided that I’m on the Let Granderson Walk/Trade Granderson boat. Dude is just horrible. Homeruns are meaningless if you’re going to hit .230 and strikeout 160+ times. 35 homeruns doesn’t cancel out 160+ strikeouts. I’m sorry. I don’t understand when people make that argument. “Oh he strikes out alot. But it’s okay. Homeruns!”
.832 OPS, 121 wRC+ is definitely OK.
Cause strike outs and batting average are the overrated stats. He is a good defender and he gets on base. Plus he scores runs and is a power hitter. Dunn is having a “comeback” year and he’s hitting .210
Granderson is not a good defender. I could definitely live the with the strikeouts if he had a nice OBP, but he doesn’t. It’s not like he strikes out a ton but also gets on base a ton. He only gets on base OK.
Say good night, Gracie.
And Yankee Stadium is a bandbox? What a joke of a home run
I’ve lost my sense of humor.
I’ll be watching my Warehouse 13 marathon.
Call me when the game is over.
Assuming we lose (not a guarantee yet), are the Rays/O’s 5 games back or 4 games back (loss column)?
Rays 4, O’s 6.
Hmmm, I thought o’s were five. At least that’s good news.
(Seriously, can the Rays just lose? I actually don’t think they’ll catch us but they’re really pissing me off).
Their hot streak has come against the powerhouse Blue Jays, Twins, Angels and Royals. they’ll cool down.
Rays 4 back and the O’s 6 back
I liked Dunn better last year.
Fuck this noise, can’t win every game…went 5-2 against Texas/Boston. Chalk this one up to a loss, I’m going to sleep.
You’re going to miss the four-run ninth!
This is just hideous.
if the SP can’t go 7 strong, they can’t win.. that’s some nice BP cashman built. For as much praise as he’s receiving for Chavez and Ibanez and other spare parts, where’s the criticism for this shitty BP full of matchup guys?
Not having ANY useful bullpen arms in AAA or AA is a real failure for Cashman.
Oh look Derek Lowe sucked too. Imagine that
fallacy!
I didn’t imply anything.
http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....nt-4718274
Lowe was high.
Ken Harrelson is an ignorant bitch.
Ken Harrelson is a clown, I would love his home run calls against the Royals last weekend. He was too busy crying I bet
I can’t stand his voice and constant bitching if the Sox don’t get the call, it’s impossible to watch/listen. If given the choice of Chi feed or just not watch the game, I’d rather not watch.
Just a terrible job by the bullpen tonight, let’s get all the stank out tonight and throw up zeros tomorrow.
they need Phelps to go to the pen. he has a good arm. at this point he can help….
eppley, rapada, logan, and joba either stink or are avg….lowe is a 39 year old retread who porbably will not revert back to who he was 6 years ago also.
chance of the yansk winning this game.. i say about 5%.. they have been great this year coming back in the 9th..NOT..
pen was effective a long time ago…this is the formual in there losses. pen drips a ton and the offense cannot overcome lead after lead.
yep girardi after will be classic.. “thats baseball” and the pen overall has been good. that is untrue. robertson and soriano have been good rest have been avg……joba has been horrid… the glow on that rose is long off……………
Gertrud?
Amazing how the bullpen has turned from a strength into a weakness. Something’s got to be done about Joba. I’m a big Phelps fan and was dying to have him start in place of Nova, but not after tonight. Its clear the bullpen needs him.
I’m going to try to be level-headed about this. I understand that our playoff chances are excellent, that we have a stacked lineup (even if it doesn’t always feel that way), but this game was the single most annoying piece of sh*t game I’ve seen the entire season. Really, really, frustrating.
This game was among the most painful this season (unless we come back with two outs).
We’ve had worse.
I just want to know why we can’t get bum washed up has been middle infielders out, it’s a a team wide epidemic. First Sean Rodriguez, then that bum Ciricao and now Gordan Beckham and Alexei Ramirez?? Nuts
Again, its not like the Yankees have been playing like crap of late. 9-4 in their last 13 games, including this one.
The Rays have just been on fire
Everyone is scared because of the Rays. If they play like this, no one will beat them. They are in a ridiculous hot streak. Let them cool off a bit and everything will be fine
15-16 in their last 31 games. That’s 5 weeks of mediocrity. A fifth of the season.
11 LOB, 4 HR’s allowed and a starter that coulnd’t complete 5 innings.. Awesome game by the Yankees.
well, when half of the bullpen is match-up relievers and just about a third of the lineup and bench are platoon players you aren’t really setting yourself up for success. Meanwhile, we’re pissing away the division lead. Great!
Then how did they win so many games with those relievers and players?
They have been practically a .500 team outside of the month of June, in which their starting pitching carried the entire team (sub 2.00 ERA for the rotation over a 2 week or so span). They were scoring at a lower rate in the month of June than in the months that they were playing .500 ball!
The bullpen is mediocre, yet Girardi leans on it like it is still the bullpen of last season. You can’t carry so many matchup guys when your pen isn’t very deep to begin with. They are getting what they deserve since they refuse to fix the roster construction.
15-16 in their last 31 games.
Ichiro!
I’d rather Jones bat than Martin….
Joe wasn’t exactly trying too hard to win this one..
I would have preferred Stuart, not Stewart but Stuart the annoying commenter, just so he could show us all how it’s supposed to be done. He’s so wise.
Well that was less than swell.
Adios, peeps!
Oh. I forgot the White Sox were one of those bullshit teams who light fireworks after wins. Such bush league garbage.
Its not Bush league…. its midwestern family cornball stuff.
Trust me, I used to live in Chicago.
They do it at Angels stadium too. Whenever I see that shit it just feels like minor league baseball to me.
That and mascots.
A ton left on base, shitty middle relief. 9 – 6. Too many of these types of losses this year. These problems are not going away.
when CC comes back I move Phelps to the pen if they allow him to pitch when it matters. they need a 6th/7th inning guy who can get lefties or righties out. right now they have specialists who are not too special.
logan with the 4.10 era, is a tease… bottom line he is avg…
joba right now is horrible, will he ever be effective? who knows……
6ht in the AL in ERA is a mirage, I think they were 3rd, 30 games ago……………
these problems are not going away…..
ba risp better then 215 but not where it needs to be. no non back end of the pen help.
small ball issues…..
another bad loss.. they lose so many winnable games. joba’s tweets/comments will be his usual philosophy BS… a 2 + WHIP is DFA level…..all that promise just flushed down the toilet….
I’ve been tired of Logan for a while now, but people keep telling me he’s been great this year. I don’t know how to respond to that. I think he’s been anything but great, and has given up a lot of big hits to lefties.
Not having any relief alternatives in AAA or AA could be the tragic flaw of this Yankees season. And that’s on no one but Cashman.
Suprisingly, he has been better this year than last although it doesn’t seem like it.
http://www.baseball-reference......bo02.shtml
Logan 5 homers in 41 or so innings..
he looks great until the big mistake.. he is not mike stanton, not even close….
eppley has been junk for a while.. rapada is total crap shoot…
the pen has struggled more then girardi thinks…………
If CC and Andy come back strong then Phelps is the long guy, which solves one problem but Eppley and Rapada are virtually worthless and Joba and Lowe flat out suck. That leaves Robbie who is good but not lights out like last year. So the problem persists. A pen with a setup man and closer and nothing else is an accident waiting to happen. And it just did. 9 – 6.
the pen is avg. tampa with the likes of joel peralt, howell, farnsworthless, mcgee, and there closer has een much better then the Yankee pen……
just not able to get it done….Giradi with his usual ba after a loss. after all it is baseball………..
joba has been horrid…………
Girardi runs the same fucking tape every time, Hey it’s baseball. Fuck you Joe. You left Freddy in way too long and shouldn’t have let Joba pitch at all. And then there’s the persistent problem of not plating baserunners.