Aug
21
Game 123: Winnable
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Yeah, the middle relief gives me a headache too. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)
Last night’s loss to the White Sox was annoying because that game was entirely winnable, and now the Yankees come into tonight with a spent bullpen backing up the disappointing Ivan Nova. We’re nearing the end of August, tough to describe his season any other way. Here’s the lineup…
SS Derek Jeter
RF Nick Swisher
2B Robinson Cano
1B Mark Teixeira
LF Andruw Jones
CF Curtis Granderson
3B Jayson Nix
DH Casey McGehee
C Russell Martin
RHP Ivan Nova
Tonight’s game starts a little after 8pm ET and can be seen on My9 locally and MLB Network nationally. Enjoy.
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It’s really hard to analyse this team. The Yankees have alot of holes and yet have the most wins in the AL. They have gone 12-7 in August, but the Rays have gone 14-4 to gain ground. So it is not like the Yankees have choked away this lead.
Exactly, and why I don’t understand talk of “collapse” at this point in time.
If the Yankees were to go 15-15 over a stretch of 30 games, and the Rays went 25-5, how is that a collapse?
A collapse is Red Sox circa Sept. 2011, when they went 7-20. That’s flat out awful baseball.
What’s going on right now is an unreal tear by the Rays. Hopefully it ends very, very soon, though it won’t tonight with David Price on the mound.
That would surpass the run that the 2007 Rockies went on.
If the Rays end up completing this, tip your cap and get ready for next year.
More realistically, I hope, there is a looming skid coming for them.
It’s amazing how the Angels are always completely useless, isn’t it? For years, they gave the Yankees fits, and laid down like dogs when they played the Red Sox. Now, they still give the Yankees fits, but lay down like dogs to the Rays, whom they are 9-18 against since 2010 began – 3-13 at home.
It jars me that the Rays have 13 wins there in three seasons. Yankees probably don’t have 13 wins in Anaheim since the Torre era began.
Meh. The Yankees are 5-4 against them this year, so they weren’t exactly giving them fits.
True, but there’s also one huge difference between the Yankees and Rays meetings.
Six of the nine Yankees/Angels games were in NY.
Seven of the ten Rays/Angels games were in Anaheim.
I was expecting it. Price and Hellickson had been going good. But Moore and Shields had been really poor early on. Those are 4 talented pitchers, sure their lineup sucks, but they are all in their mid 20′s aside from shields who is 30. The 3 are all on the upswings of their careers unlike the phillies 3 aces are all on the downswing.
Their 12-2 stretch is suburb baseball, but people seem to overlook that it’s come against the Blue Jays, Twins, Mariners, Angels and Royals. I bet the Yankees could do close to that good against those teams, too.
Their next stretch of games come against the A’s, Rangers, Jays, Yankees, Rangers again, Orioles and Yankees again so I’m hoping for some big time regression.
That series at the Trop during Labor Day week; man, will that be high time for the Yankees to get back to winning some games in the oversized warehouse.
The issue isn’t whether or not it’s a “collapse.” It’s whether the Yankees, with a rotation significantly inferior to TB’s, can rise to the challenge of the Rays.
From Wikipedia:
“Supernovas are extremely luminous and cause a burst of radiation that often briefly outshines an entire galaxy, before fading from view over several weeks or months.”
Maaaaaybe we shouldn’t have called Nova that. It’s the Jason Hamels curse.
Luckily the Yankees are beginning to develop some multiple pitchers with Marshall, Nuno, and Turley.
Bum out… Any other RAB appointed nick names that Wikipedia wants to shit on for us?
The Rays have had the luxury that while Longo was hurt,none of their starting staff was.
The Yanks haven’t had the same luck.
Sure, but Longoria is much more important to the Rays lineup than Arod is to the Yankees so its not a fair comparison.
Yeah, the Yanks are at a real disadvantage.
Perpetual victims.
a spent bullpen backing up the disappointing Ivan Nova
Girardi actually said that everyone is available tonight. They were pretty rested before yesterday’s game.
Being available and being fresh are two different things. Joba, Logan and Lowe threw nearly 20 pitches each (more in Logan’s case).
And FWIW Logan hasn’t been ‘fresh’ since July… He musta pissed someone off, Girardi going all Scott Proctor on him and shit…
I obviously understand the distinction between available and fresh.
Joba, Logan, Lowe….maybe the three worst guys to run out there right now, sorry but thats not convincing me that the bullpen is shorthanded when Robertson and Soriano both threw zero pitches last night.
Also, the only trustworthy members of that pen when it comes to getting not-same-side-hitters out weren’t used last night.
Thought I saw some good news over on ESPN. Headline saying Melky Cabrera associate Nunez banned from clubhouses. Turns out it was not Eduardo. The threat remains.
I laughed.
And then I thought of the threat of Nunez on defense…and then I wanted to cry. Sigh.
Bwahaahhahahaha
At least our DH isn’t hitting like .200 or something… Oh shit.
He’s not. That’s his time with the Yankees and Pirates.
He’s actually hitting slightly worse with the Yankees than the Pirates, although 30-something ABs are kind of meaningless.
You think Jeter will ever come out and state emphatically that he’s never done steroids or any other PEDs?
I kind of wish he would, but I totally understand why he doesn’t.
Anyway,I would really like to win this game. 5 games up sounds so much more than 4 games up.
Why would he even say the word? Thats like if someone emphatically came out and told the world they weren’t gay…. With NO ONE ASKING if they were gay… Wouldn’t you wonder where it came from?
#nohomo
I’m sure you didn’t mean it as such…but that comes across as kind of antigay. Maybe it’s just cause I’m in a pissy mood that I read it that way, but I did precieve it as slightly homophobic. Only because in a right mind there is nothing wrong with being gay, but there is plenty wrong with taking PEDS.
Again, most likely me overreacting and being in a shit mood.
I wouldn’t take it that way, Plouffy. Maybe this is a better way of phrasing it, though:
If I say ” don’t think about elephants”, what’s the first thing you think of? If (and I believe he is) Jeter has always been clean, why would he even say the word?
Not homophobic at all.. Not intended to be either. Better to rephrase in that unless you are trying to hide something (substance use or a sexual preference, as it were) when no one is asking you about it… It raises an eyebrow. An example if you will:
1st guy: “hey dude, how you doin?”
2nd guy: “doing great… But not on steroids, you know what I’m sayin?”
1st guy: “ummmm…. Good to hear it?”
Or
1st guy: “hey dude, how you doin?”
2nd guy: “doing great… But not into dudes, you know what I’m sayin?”
1st guy: “ummmm…. Good to hear it?”
Help at all?
Should he come out and also say he’s never beat his girl friend, robbed a bank, murdered a homeless person?
I’m pretty sure he’s innocent of all three of those (or at least two) also.
You aren’t a true New Yorker until you’ve murdered a Hobo who attacked you for a cigarette…don’t tell me I’m the only one that’s happened to.
I have wondered where all the homeless went after Guiliano took over. I never asked questions.
This reeks of “American Psycho.”
A quite enjoyable movie.
One of my all time favorite comedies…I mean movies…
Why would he need to be part of that discussion?
I’m not worried that much about the pen tonight because Phelps will probably be out there. I think its his throw day as a starter so we can put him back in the pen.
If it’s his throw day, then I’d only want him to be used in extreme circumstance. I never liked using a pitcher in a live game on his throw day, especially a young guy like Phelps.
Cito Gaston once used Roy fricken’ Halladay on his throw day.
In a regular season game.
No, didn’t make any sense.
There had to be some rhyme or reason? like the game was in the 17th inning and he used every other available pitcher? Something?
http://espn.go.com/mlb/boxscore?gameId=280518122
“After the inning ended, the game was stopped by rain for 2 hours, and 4 minutes. A second delay of 39 minutes halted the game in the sixth inning. When play resumed, Toronto ace Roy Halladay made his first relief appearance since July 2, 2001. He pitched 2 1/3 innings giving up a hit. He struck out two. Halladay last pitched on Thursday.”
Ok, that makes a modicum of sense. I’m just saying I don’t want to see Phelps come in during the 6th to be the bridge to Robertson and Soriano.
Right. Phelps will not be used tonight period.
Is Liriano the new Scott Kazmir?
Can have tremendous stuff at times, but throws a ton of pitches and has a knack for turning 0-2 to 3-2 and will often be around 100 pitches after 5 innings.
At least Chicago is a wonderful city.
I am a fan… Mid west girls are the best!
Here’s hoping we get good Nova tonight!
Wait Clemens is pitching somewhere?
Independent League game on Saturday.
While we wait:
http://www.buzzfeed.com/scott/hobo-name-generator
I am “Mississippi Railcar Pete”
What’s YOUR hobo name?
Dakota Curly McGee!
Nice to meet ya!
“Missouri Old-timer Smith!”
I envision your hobo-self as an old man in tattered coveralls, sitting on your porch in a rocking chair and sippin’ on some mead.
Utah Bindle Charlie. Sounds more like a call sign than a bum name.
You killed a hobo, so they don’t want you to be “one of them.”
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/i.....6/Okay.png
http://syaple.files.wordpress......#038;h=340
I…I hate you…but at the same time you’re too awesome. This is the perfect response for the okay face.
Re-FIP?
He’s trying. It shall nevah work. Evah.
Sad FIP.
Don’t get big headed kid. I’ve moved on. You’re the one still talking about it
Liar.
JJ desperate to not let his meme die.
Yeah, pretty much
Anti-FIP.
Derek Jeter can’t be human.
CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Right on cue, Mike.
HOLY SHIT JETER ARE YOU KIDDING ME
O Captain, My Captain.
HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wow Jeter is amazing.
I just hate it when Derek swings on the first pitch. Leads to such fail.
Now this is just getting ridiculous.
Jeter the hobo murderer steroid taking cigarette mooch strikes again!
Tied with old shoe face Joe Torre!!!
Jeter must be juicin’.
/dead-meme’d
I can’t wait for Big Member to report that his sources are telling him that Jeter and Melky were working out together this offseason.
Oh GOD, someone summon him. Now.
Some one (not you obviously) needs to go say his name into the mirror 5 times.
Did you ever play “Bloody Mary” as a child? I REFUSE.
Yeah, nothing happens (obviously) but to this day I still get a knot in my stomach when I think about it.
Seriously, if I get up to go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, I MUST put the lights on in my bathroom. She could be hiding. ANYWHERE.
Glad to know I’m not the only one who turns the light on in the dead of night before looking in the direction of the mirror. For me it was Candyman, not Bloody Mary. Fuck that movie.
Biggie Smalls…Biggie Smalls…
There is literally a South Park reference for everything.
It’s been around long enough.
Stop the Pete Rose crap.
What do you mean by that?
Meaning he’s already well past Rose in home runs. Pete would have had to play to age 64.
Sorry, I missed specifically what they were saying. I heard them mention that Jeet was 1000 away from catching Rose in hits. Anything besides that which would elicit such a reaction?
The “Jeter watch” to overtake Pete Rose. It’s everywhere.
It’s not going to happen. Shouldn’t even be a discussion point until he was in the 3700 hit range and still performing at a high level. It’s nonsense right now.
Ahhh, okay. Got it.
How is this guy human?
Wow, we had similar posts regarding, Jete, haha.
Jeter needs 1000 more hits to tie Rose now.
That doesn’t sound so crazy anymore.
Of course it does. Especially if we’re expecting him to do it in pinstripes.
Please, please explain how this sounds so crazy. You realize Jeter is leading the league in hits? Please don’t tell me how he’s 38 and every other 38 year old SS is finished at this age. That analysis makes you & all of SABR look stupid. Jeter has long ago proven that he is an outlier and when you look at his past accomplishments almost anything is now possible. And certainly if he is within a few hundred and vaguely productive he’s not going anywhere so the pinstriped comment is beyond dumb.
Is it so dumb? Jeter has a long way to go, and you can only expect an outlier to be an outlier for so long. This isn’t a saber argument. I love Jeter, but how many years can he do this for, realistically? Rose had the advantage of being a player-manager and collecting hits until he was in his mid-40s. And at some point, Jeter’s already below-average defense will fall of a cliff and be completely unplayable there.
jesus. your response is incredibly frustrating to me.
It’s like, everyone keeps moving the goaline. What the hell else does he have to do to make everyone stop trying to predict his demise and say what is and isn’t realistic. he has OBVIOUSLy so far surpassed any reasonable, realistic prediction about his career arc that you can THROW THE PAST OUT THE WINDOW.
Does he look any slower than he did 5 or 10 years ago? it’s not like you can even see any noticeable decline! GAH!
I’m not predicting his decline at all. I just don’t think it’s a reasonable expectation for a 40-something year old short stop to both produce at a high level at the plate and remain passable in the field. That’s just setting yourself up for disappointment. I hope I’m very pleasantly surprised, but I don’t see it.
Not expecting someone to become the all time leader in hits is not expecting his demise in 2012, 2013, or even 2014. There is a HUGE difference that you seem to be missing there.
It’s not so much predicting his decline. It’s the nonsense of starting a Rose count in 2012 when he’s 38, playing SS, and yes his defense has declined this year from the past three years.
We’re all rooting for Jeter. Focusing on Rose now is silly.
Correct. Rose was quite effective as a hitter up until 40, but his last four or five years he was league average and below as a hitter and he was doing it at a premium power position, first base. To get the record, he had to take his act on the road and play multiple positions. Jeter won’t be doing that.
Jeter’s defense has never been his calling card, but we can’t just assume it will remain consistent at the level from the last few years. It will get worse, and there comes a point where even his bat won’t cover the defense as he ages, especially as his hitting declines.
I’m enjoying Jeter’s resurgence come his return from the disabled list, as much because I know it won’t last. It’s great to see, but I’m not even thinking Rose’s record.
Rose was a .274/.354/.333 hitting FIRST BASEMAN for the last seven years of his career, getting those last 900 hits or so after age 40. I can’t see Jeter hanging on like that, he doesn’t seem like the type.
I love how you assumed you knew my whole argument before I said a word. And that I’m a SABR guy. I don’t even know how 90% of those stats are calculated.
Say he finishes the season with 250 hits. Just hypothetically. We’re still talking another five 225 hit seasons to get the record. Who’s Jeter playing for in 5 years? What position? He doesn’t just need to not fall off a cliff offensively to do it, he has to blow the doors off the building every season for the rest of his career, or play until he’s 50. That’s why it still sounds crazy. He can’t play above average and do it, he can’t even play really good and do it unless he has no age related drop off for the next 6-8 seasons.
How does that not sound crazy? I love the guy. Its been my favorite storyline of the season and really for last season. But there’s no way we can reasonably expect it to happen and no way it wouldn’t be crazy if he played to the level required for as long as he’d have to do it. And look at that, I didn’t use a single stat except hits.
This, this, this. If Jeter could be a player-manager like Rose, and play part time at multiple positions, sure, he’s got a shot. But he won’t get that shot, and if he needs to play 5+ years at a high level, where and at what position is he doing this, exactly? If he fielded like Omar Vizquel, maybe. But his defense will likely be unplayable in a couple years, and as much as I love him, I don’t see it.
Like I said above, there is a massive difference with having no faith in the guy and expecting him to become the all time leader in hits. Expecting anyone to surpass Rose is just setting yourself up for disappointment.
Keep in mind, those 225 hit seasons would be the best hitting seasons of his career and would require him to get full seasons worth of ABs (uh oh, more stats). And he’d still need to be a 43 year old SS (or second baseman with the way that posistion is trending offensively) playing everyday and having the best season of his career.
lol about the “uh oh more stats”
i guess at this point, i just wouldn’t be THAT shocked if Jeter has another 3 years like this one or a little worse. let’s just say he does that, which would mean he would be about 400 hits away from the record and still playing excellent baseball.
ok, so in 2016, he starts reallly declining. say 140 hits but still a mostly full time SS. defense is kinda bad but not unmanagebale. solid hands, zero range. overall, he WOULD STILL BE ABOVE LEAGUE AVERAGE SS!
starting in 2017 he’d be 260 hits away. You don;t think he’d want to hang around for another 2-3 years, playing 300-400 ABs a year. MAYBE EVEN AS player manager??
You don’t think Yankees will die for that to happen? Come on!
yeah, i know predicating all that on another 3 years of 200 hit baseball is a lot to ask for, but all i’m saying is….
to try and put on a limit on Jeter’s ceiling anymore is freakin ridiculous. it’s just as crazy or stupid as thinking he can get the record. nobody knows what he can do, and any past performance by Spike Owen does not precict future performance by Derek Jeter.
Damn MLBN picked up the Hawk feed. Don’t they realize 99% of their audience for this game is Yankee fans and people who hate Hawk?
I think they default to the home team. If you have premium, you can switch between feeds.
Not exactly. I know they’ve picked up the Yankees feed during games in Toronto on two prior occasions. It’s probably market dictated.
I mean, no reason not to pick up a Chicago feed for a Chicago home game. Chicago’s a pretty huge city.
I’ve seen them run the Sox feed for some road games (the NESN feed, not the ESPN one).
I love the Hawk.
But I didn’t even know this was an MLBN game, so I’ll stick with the YES crew.
I like Hawk too…but there is no way I’d listen to him announce a Yankee game.
He home run call is shit. I can’t even listen to it while watching Quick Pitch in the morning before work (if a CWS guy hits a homer the night before). I’d rather listen to Sterling.
What’s his HR call??
YOU CAN PUT IT ON THAAAAAAAAAAAAA BOARD YESSSSSSS
Ugh, REALLY?
YOU CAAAAAAAAANNN PUT IT ON THHEEEEE BOOOOOARRRRD YE-ES!!! YE-ESSSSS!!! YEE-EESSSSSSS!
It’s nauseating.
OH, I’ve heard that before. No, not okay. No.
I don’t like his HR calls either (except when the other team hits one!) but for everything else, I find his extreme homerism fun(ny) to listen to. His complete outrage on the air when one of their pitchers got ejected earlier this year was…priceless.
http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play......8;c_id=mlb
Hahahahaha
Holy crap.
I only did in the past when I didn’t have access to YES.
These days, the only times I don’t watch non-national games on YES are the damned Rays games, where I have to watch the local telecast.
I’m longing for the day when I watch Yankees/Rays on YES.
Swish – on fiyah.
I’m not sure if Jeter is human or not. Please god Nova don’t blow this.
Anyone familiar with a sabermetric belief that there is no such thing as a player getting hot. As hard as I’ve tried, I’ve never understood it, and I’m a very saber-friendly person.
I’m not familiar, and I am very saber-friendly. But that’s nuts. Baseball is a game of streaks, both cold and hot.
I don’t think saber folks would say that–some of them will say there’s no such thing as clutch or pressure hitting, but that’s not the same thing. Otherwise, there would be no place in the game for swing adjustments, pitching coaches, etc.
I agree with both of you, but I’ve heard it mentioned. Maybe I shouldn’t say it’s an accepted belief in saber, but I’ve heard it mentioned by saber types.
Man Cano just looks awful right now…
By the way, Chris Young has a perfect game through 5 innings against the Rockies.
Cano looks heinous.
Another poor AB for Robbie.
that AB was pretty damn bad.
…Not one strike in that AB Robbie.
what the hell is Robbie swinging at?
Seriously Cano? Not a single one of those pitches was in the strikezone. Someone needs extra BP.
By the way, Cano had a few days off last week with the neck.
FUCK YOU STERLING YOU PIECE OF SHIT BLIND BAT GETTIN MY HOPES UP DICKFACE
That ball is high, it is far, it is foul???
yep. only he proclaimed it’s foul he didn’t question.
And also at about alfway through you could tell he realized it was going foul but he had to keep going.
John Fucking Sterling
Insuferrable buffoon
I miss the Scooter
“Holy cow! Look at tha….caught on the track.*”
*Substitute: “caught out of play,” “foul ball,” or “harmless fly ball,” as needed.
Yeah, but with Scooter he didn’t go into a self-promoting call that mislead the fans with no regard for the truth. he might be wrong, but he didn’t have a signature call that was consistently misapplied.
Fuck you John. Just fuck you.
Hahaha. Hawk just said. “Foul….and, it’s foul.” Like someone killed his puppy, even though it was foul.
Bwahahahaahha, I want to hear audio of that.
Was this on the obvious foul ball off Teixeria’s bat?
Was it an obvious foul ball?
Seemed like it to me.
Only by a mile or so
Nice AB by Tex.
People also forget the White Sox burned through their pen too. Especially all their lefties
Strangely feels like last night’s game. Hopefully they can deliver a big hit and Nova has more than Garcia.
This looks eerily like last night… early lead… loaded bases… heh
I beat you by a micro-fraction.
#winning
Please let this one not take as fucking long!
Seriously. It’s the worst to fall asleep toward the end of the game, only to wake up and find out they lost.
Agreed
Haha, touche. Same thing happened with my “is jeter human?” comment.
Now let’s blow this open. Nova needs the support. Do anything but hit into a DP, Grandy. And don’t strike out either.
You obviously don’t remember the Baltimore game.
Liriano is trying his best Gavin Floyd impression.
Sure as hell better hope that the Yankees win this time.
Yay, Grandy.
Please get another run!
I’ll take it.
Jeter is just so, so, so good.
Funny cat shit: When our cat heard the serious crack of the bat on Jeter’s lead-off homer, he took off running out of the room. He always runs off when he hears that loud crack, because he knows I am going to be making loud noise any second: clapping/cheers or groans/boos.
Hahahaha! Try to get video of that! Though, that would involve you predicting home runs and the like.
I could hire someone to just film the cat all game long.
Between that and RAB faux-funding Big Member’s writing contributions to this site… let’s make it happen.
1st inning seems strangely familiar.
They got the runs that they were supposed to. That’s all we can ask. 2 out runs are bonuses.
Buzzfeed is seriously the best commercial break site. Nerd alert…
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rsulta.....hostbuster
Why is Nix hitting in front of McGehee? He has an .718 OPS against lefties while McGehee has an .821 OPS.
Joe G. once again making no sense.
Are those season numbers for McGehee or Yankee numbers?
2012 numbers
Nix has a better OBP, while McGheayehee has power.
Nix 444/545/778 vs. Liriano (11 PA)
McGehee 286/286/357 (14 PA)
SSS, but I bet this is why.
Sadly this is probably it.
working out perfectly so far
Who has 3rd inning that Nova gives up the lead?
I have first inning. He has no command once again.
And we enter the 10th inning of last night’s game.
Why is Cody Eppley still out there? STILL?
Nova is garbage. send him down when CC comes back.
Ump squeezing Nova a bit.
At least Nova’s back on top of his game…
Jesus.
Damn that was lucky!
Hahaahhaha, YOUK
Essh, Nova looking to be sent to AAA with Joba.
Should I just go to sleep now…. don’t want last night all over again… but nice throw Martin
Okay, retracted, at least for now
Nice K. Please no 2 out hits..
Yes, yes. This is totally last night’s game.
#groundhog’s day
Phil: Do you know what today is?
Rita: No, what?
Phil: Today is tomorrow. It happened.
I think it’s on right now. In Grounds Hoggian fashion, AMC is running the movie back-to-back in the evening all week.
Hmmm, maybe there’s some overflow going on impacting these games.
That’s so weird, haha. Is it a full moon, too?
JETER IS SO GOOD
But…he jsut can’t be, sniff sniff. He’s so OLD. I did copious amounts of research while waiting for my phone to ring and I determined he is actually retired due to such a steep decline aftr the age of 33. Oh, he’s probably a top 10 MVP candidate? Oh.
Your phone will never ring! Nobody is calling you! KEEP RESEARCHIN’!
nice play Jeter!
Okay, that worked out fine. Then again, that’s how last night started.
Nice…a shut down inning from Nova. He tried his hardest to not have one but he did.
Solid analysis.
Maybe Nova will settle down and be great for the rest of the game!
That’s the one thing about Konerko. He can’t run at all.
wow whens the last time you saw jeter plant his foot and fire a ball?
So what are the odds that when CC comes back that the Yanks keep phelps in the rotation and yank Nova out? Probably minuscule, right?
right. Probably 0 chance of that.
Nova has been imploding for over a month now, and phelps has been very good. Phelps is also older than nova.
The dark side of Jeter was that the first hit of that inning was a play I probably could have made, and I’m not that good.
The bright side, besides the obvious (offense), was that that last play he made was pretty good.
Nova does not look good. Looks like he’s overthrowing. Hope he settles down.
your kiss is on my list
I find the Cash Blast commericial with the perverted Founding Fathers funny.
That’s all.
Weird inning there for Nova. He was in all kinds of trouble but ended up only throwing 12 pitches.
I wonder if the White Sox will sell out their playoff games if they get there.
Good, good. After driving up his pitch count, it makes perfect sense to let him back in the game and not try to get to their overworked pen.
Oh, man. Not this again.
You really think those batters voluntarily “let” him back in the game because they didn’t “try” to get hits?
No. I don’t think that.
Didn’t mind McGehee swinging. Martin has to wait.
Martin can’t hit. We have over 120 games of proof.. he should at least take some pitches.
He can hit. He can’t hit for average.
You’re right, he’s clearly redeemed by his high OBP, slugging percentage, and HRs,, How silly of us not to notice those. It seems like MY9 missed them too. Perhaps you should call in with a correction?
He was a good hitter last year.
Great inning there boys…7 pitches? Maybe?
Holy shit. My ears are bleeding from Michael Kay’s description of the “logic” of that sportswriter.
How…?!?!?
recap for radio crew?
Down below.
Suck it Aaron Cook.
After making him throw 30 pitches in the first, we let Liriano off on 7 pitches? Oh, jeez.
Can’t complain too much since we’re up 2-0, and that’s what matters, but bummer.
31 pitch first inning…
7 pitch second inning.
Nice approach. 1 strike taken after a long inning like that…
Wrong. Jeter took 2 strikes.
He swung at two pitches according to gameday… is it 4 strikes and you’re out now.
But they were strikes.
I said 1 strike TAKEN that whole inning. what part of that statement is “wrong”
Learn to read before you correct people for something you are imagining they are saying.
You also said jeter TOOK two strikes as well… which is….
wrong.
That inning’s more on Liriano finding the strike zone.
Only Martin had the crappy at bat
Liriano used 32 pitches to get through the first inning.
Second inning he used 6. Dammit.
OT: Good article about the statistics of “clutch performance” which sabermetricians don’t believe in. Turns out that you can make an argument showing that about 13% the variation in team W-L records is based on clutch performance.
http://sabermetricresearch.blogspot.com/
That’s a strawman. Clutch exists, just not to the extent that most people believe.
Why don’t you read the article before commenting on it?
I was commenting about your comment.
Good article about the statistics of “clutch performance” which sabermetricians don’t believe in.
What people have known for years, for decades, for a century! You call this news.
I agree. But it’s nice to see an analysis showing it’s true.
As far as I’m aware, the “hot” and “cold” effect is also substantially overestimated. If you simulate the season of a .280 batter as a series of independent ABs, each with a .280 likelihood of getting a hit, you end up with a series of hits and outs that looks like it has hot and cold streaks.
That’s not what the article says though. It says about 13% can be attributed to factors outside of runs scored and runs allowed. It says 13% is the most that can be attributed to clutch performance (it can also be attributed to luck, or any other factors). I believe some degree of clutch does exist, but the article in no way says 13% of baseball is clutch. It allows for the possibility that up to 13% of baseball can be attributed to clutch. Based on just what is presented in the article, you can make an equal claim that 13% of baseball can be attributed to any reason outside of runs scored and runs allowed.
Excellently stated. Exactly what I got out of reading the article.
In fact, what I got from it was, At most, only 13% of runs can even theoretically be attributed to clutch performance, and almost certainly not even that much.
I think it hurts your case, not helps it.
Strawmen, strawmen everywhere.
You’re arguing against the fanatic core of sabrmetricians and acting as if they’re the mainstream.
…fuck.
Yikes.
Swish and Nova.
So many extra base hits.
Nova might not throw 10 pitches from the wind-up all night.
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Nova sucks and that was an awful route by Swisher… what a shitty play
That was a nice throw.
Alex Rios… annoying as sh*t
Slightly slower runner is dead meat at the plate. Stupid Rios being fast.
If only he ran like Posada. If only.
I miss Jorge.
No, really, am I the only person who heard Kay tell us that a sportswriter told him he would vote Jeter for MVP over Trout because the Angels would probably miss the playoffs?
And then Kay and Coney acted as if that was a respectable point?
I don’t even know what to say. A five year old could find the flaw in that logic.
Sorry, Singleton, not Coney. I typed Coney because I was thinking longingly of how much I wanted him to be there to stop that shit.
Love that Coney.
Devils advocate:MVP is Most Valuable Player, NOT best statistical year.
So what’s your point exactly, that players who have the misfortune of being on bad teams are now less valuable?
You realize that there is no logic to that statement whatsoever, right?
shh…I’m just a homer and Derek was my Idol through child hood and I want him to have an MVP.
But seriously, it should be Trout…take him off the Angels and they’d be fucking toast.
Ha, yeah.
I comfort myself about Jeter knowing that he should have won in ’99 and ’06.
I don’t think the Yankee broadcast team is ever going to say that it’s utter tosh for Derek Jeter to be considered for MVP, even when it is.
I was wondering when the Jeter as MVP talk would start. The ultimate lifetime achievement award. Face it, some people, including people with votes, view the award as a way to reward players they like, and not as something that has to be given on merit alone.
Really nice job by Luke Hochaver tonight.
All in all, it could have been worse.
Hawk: “But we get on the..”
*ducks under table and covers ears*
“…board”.
*sighs, wipes sweat from forehead*
Why are you watching the WSox broadcast? MLBN?
I don’t know what his answer will be, but I’m in Canada watching MLB Extra Innings, and the Chicago team–surely the worst in the game–is the only show in town. So, I’m listening to John and Su, and they sound hugely sophisticated and intelligent by comparison to that Chi homeboy rube
Yeah, MLBN. I could use the xbox for the YES feed on mlb.tv, but I’d rather not run it for 3 hours and deal with the delay.
Yeah… CHW feed real time > delaying MLB.tv, although not by much…
Wear and tear on the xbox is a factor too. I try not to run it for hours at a time when I can avoid it.
Heh.
Nova’s been extremely lucky. Joe will probably leave him in until he gives up 5 or 6 runs. Then on the post game he’ll say this is the Major Leagues, if you leave your pitches in the zone they’re going to hit them. hey it’s baseball.
Stop it please
Seriously dude, we know you dislike Girardi.; What do you want him to say when they lose?
“Nova was a fucking disaster, and I promise you he’s on latrine duty until he gets his fucking act together.
“And for not scoring enough runs to bail him out I’ll have the rest of the players carry weights over their heads and chant ‘Never Leave a Fallen Man Behind’ for five hours.
“As for the bullpen, well, I’m kicking their asses into next week. You have my word that I am taking these games as life and death situations. There will either be results or the players will fucking pay for their failures.”
*Steps down from podium and walks away*
*Reporters stare in silence for a moment until, one by one, they file out. And nobody ever questioned Girardi’s management again.*
I vote this. Over and over again.
Ha ha. Very good. Maybe it’s the kind of thing he says to his wife after the game.
Scene: Reporter’s have all left the room, and Girardi is alone, after giving a very pleasant press conference where he talked about “trusting his players” and “being confident that things will work out”.
Joe takes a deep breath and picks up his phone. We see him dial.
Girardi: CAN YOU BELIEVE THOSE MOTHERFUCKING GODDAMN FUCKING PUNK-ASS BASTARD EXCUSES FOR PLAYERS??? DAMMIT, IF I WERE ALLOWED THEIR ASSES WOULD BE KICKED INTO NEXT WEEK! FUCKING SHITTY_ASS NOVA AND HIS FUCKING COMMAND ISSUES-”
Joe looks up suddenly to see the bat boy standing there,wide-eyed and open-mouthed.
Girardi (in a quieter voice): Oh shit.
The little boy sprints out of the room, leaving Girardi staring at the spot where he stood, open-mouthed, phone in hand. End scene.
swinging at crap..
Singleton said it was a good slider.
C’mon, Robbie!
Oof.
And another K for Cano.
Ugh, Cano.
Cano slumps are no fun.
1st AB he struck out on4 straight balls… Cano slumps are a total bum out…
Nasty pitch by liriano.
Ok, so I hate Hawk Harrelson… I will preface with that… With that said:
He’s been pretty good tonight.
His call for Jeter was pretty awesome: ” All Jeter did last night was go 4-5 with a homer…*CRACK*….. OK make that 5-6 with TWO homers for Mr Jeter…”
On Tex’s LONG foul ball: “Right shape…..wrong size”
And now he’s shitting on Scott Boras’ comments about how he & Mike Rizzo built the Nationals….
So I am kinda on the Hawk Train right now… Until Dunn hits one out, and then I’ll be all like FUCK HAWK again…
Hawk is 1,000,000,000x more fun when the Sox are losing.
This is completely true..
Oh, and he also went into a diatribe on Russels ENTIRE name last AB, so that was something.
If jeter finishes strong. Any chance he gets a lifetime achievement MVP or something. He’s been robbed twice as it is…
Liriano has 55 pitches in the 3d. If we’re patient, we’ll be into the pen by the 6th.
Tex accounts for 16 of Liriano’s pitches.
Nice, Andruw!
more runners stranded.. this is exactly like last night’s game.
That was a rally started with 2 outs, so I didn’t expect much and I can’t get angry.
Rallies started with 2 outs don’t usually produce fruit.
FALLACY
The odds suggest it.
Still a FALLACY.
No because I said “don’t usually” I didn’t slam the total door on it.
But still it’s a FALLACY.
FALLACY
If I had said rallies started with 2 outs never score runs, then that would be a fallacy.
What’s the point…
If Swish and Cano got on and Tex and Jones made outs…. Granderson should drive the run in (because the rally didn’t start with 2 out)
If Swish and Cano make outs and Tex and Jones get on… well it doesn’t matter because the whole thing started with 2 outs.
It’s just another one of his absurd justifications.
No. Its more likely to score on rallies started with 0-1 outs than with two outs.
Of course.
Your less likely to eventually score with 2 outs and nobody on.
Your equally likely to score with 2 outs and runners on regardless of when those runners got on base.
Also, I’m willing to bet the Yankees score more runs after having two outs and no one on-base than any other team.
he’s clinically insane, and clearly off his meds..
I detest that remark.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhUNrpX8Rx4
Somebody had to do it at some point.
You’re missing a lot of factors here though. What constitutes a “Rally”? Instead of looking at “when people get on base with two outs they probably won’t get driven in”, you could also say, “x% of the time when a man is on first they will get driven in, and that number goes up the more men there are on base and the further they are on the basepath”.
We don’t know what percentage time the Yankees have been failing with two outs, so we can’t say if it’s above or below average either.
What you said is simply WAAAAAY to simplified.
Yankees love to tease. I’d really like them to punish a struggling pitcher and win a game for once.
Ugh. Sounds like this girl I knew in undergrad.
Just bring her to a frat party and get her drunk.
For some reason girls lose all morals the second they step into a frat house.
You think I didn’t try that? I was in a damn fraternity, she was at the parties all the time. She was in a sorority too, so she knew the scenario. We hooked up like 10 times but was a total tease.
Ah well. She was annoying as all hell. Really hot, but I would never have wanted to date her anyway. Other fish in the sea.
She was a tease and you hooked up 10 times? Fuck. You’re a masochist. 3 dickteases was my limit in college. Still is…
Making out 10 times was not what I had in mind. And I’m not a masochist, but thank you for being judgmental, and an idiot.
Is this what the series finale of How I Met Your Mother is gonna go? Because I might start watching….
Really pessimistic way to look at that: Of all those fish in the sea, you have to eliminate the married or in committed relationships, the ones who bat for the other team, the ones who are too young/too old, the ones that live to far away from you, the ones who share your mother/sisters name, the ones who are to smart for you, the ones who are too dumb for you, and finally the ones who don’t fit your physical “type” therefore will never give a chance.
On that note, bus time.
Damn it Plouffy, I’m a single man in a new city, don’t bust that shit out on me!
I’d like for the Royals to score a run please.
RE: Girardi supposedly leaving starting pitchers in too long when they aren’t pitching well.
You can’t just pull every starter as soon as it becomes clear that he is pitching poorly, or you overwork your bullpen. Then you end up losing close games your starter pitched well in because the bullpen is gassed. Girardi needs to take this very carefully into account with the goal of maximizing win likelihood over the course of the entire rest of the season, not just today’s game.
True.
Good point
nice quick inning by Nova there.. now let’s get some more runs, please
I like how everyone’s up-thread arguing about clutchitude and two-out rally fallacies.
Especially when Russ is down here starting a 2 out rally…. See that?
Jeter fucked my point. on one pitch. Didn’t even give it a gift basket after….
BTW, 77 pitches through 3.2 for liriano… They might be in trouble when you crack that bullpen open in the 4th…
Is it fricken’ Reggie Sanders?
God, I’m stumped big-time here.
What was the question? I missed it.
Since 1980, only player to hit a home run in the World Series for three different teams.
Turns out it was Matt Williams. Never would’ve guessed.
Thanks!
Wait…did Hawk just call that bloop hit by Martin a “duck snort”? Did I hear that right?
Yeah, that’s one of his terms. It’s an old baseball term.
Is it? Can’t say I ever heard it. But I’m also not old.
I go back to Rizzuto announcing games, and he used to reguarly say “can of corn,” but I don’t remember the duck snort reference. I have heard it though, but rarely. Hawk uses it all the time.
Trust me, though. Now that you know what it is, you’ll see it pop up reguarly.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What.....n_baseball
Interesting. I know “cano of corn”, my little league coaches used to say that all the time. But “duck snort” is new for me.
I’m sure Rizzuto and White never used duck snort when I was growing up, otherwise I would have researched it. (BTW Pre-Internet, researching was a bitch. You had to go to libraries, or worse, actually talk to people older. Scary times, man.) Yet Hawk does, so 8-year-olds in Chicago will know what a duck snort means, but kids in NY won’t.
I always knew can of corn meant something easy, but then I wanted to know why. Where it came from.
Yup… Just happened. It’s like sitting on your grandpa’s lap… If he were a drunk and super-biased ChiSox fan.
And just ripped a fart too.
C’mon, Jeet! Jack another!
damn Jeter… swung at crap low in the zone
Wasn’t Matt Williams a suspected roider?
A hang-wiffle? Hawk really is busting out all these “old baseball” terms.
To Greg: Here is why everybody is seriously fucking pissed with you right now.
Notice I don’t say we all hate you. Or even dislike you. You don’t seem like a bad dude. I don’t dislike YOU. But you’re being annoying as fuck, and everybody is noticing.
Why? Because you PREEMPTIVELY respond to things you THINK people will say when the inning is over, as if everybody who says those things are trolls.
For example, “Rallies started with 2 outs don’t usually produce fruit.”
1) Not everybody said that.
2) Of those who did say it, not all of them were trolls. As such, they deserved SERIOUS responses, not pithy preemptive strikes with no substance.
Not only that, we call you out on shit, all the time and you act as if you don’t notice. Or you argue against completely rational points.
You said yesterday that it makes life easier for you to “go between two extremes”. Well, maybe for you. But it makes us fucking annoyed. Please stop.
Hooray!!! Up theres arguement came all the way down here! That’s awesome!
WOOHOO!
Crap, Konerko.
Damn that pitch was up and in.
FUCK YOU HAWK HARELLSON….
See that? It just happened…
another high fastball, another extra base hit.. Nova absolutely sucks right now
That’s more on Konerko. That pitch was a ball up and in. No way that should have been hit.
How the hell did Konerko hit that out?
You guys know just like toronto the black sox steal signs too.
Look at the stupid pinwheels in center field and the lights.
every single out: “lined right at…”
line drives all over the field, but at least Nova is getting lucky
Is that 4 or 5 lineouts in 4 innings?
Gameday has him at 7 (with the last 6 outs being line drives)
I do not care for these White Sox.
So let’s review – Liriano’s at around 80 pitches through 4 innings. Nova’s at 43. Game is tied at 2 and we again haven’t capitalized on anything.
Oh, Cano’s 0-2 with 2 K’s as well. When will this guy ever get a big hit 68 RBI’s batting primarily in the 3 spot?
Anybody know what his average is since Boras mentioned that 10-year contract?
I’m just sayin’
The only golden opportunity we’ve had was in the first inning and we scored 2 runs.
One was a leadoff HR And the third inning Liriano was again gassed throwing 28 pitches and going to full counts on everyone. A two out base hit there would have been nice.
Liriano being already at 80 pitches is good. We’ll be getting to their pen soon, and they worked many innings last night.
Agreed but this again feels like we coulda, woulda, shoulda and then Girardi is explaining a loss. I hope their pen is dead tonight.
It’s only the fifth inning and it’s a tie game. Lot’s of baseball still to be played.
The idea of a 10 year contract for anyone is a joke, but that doesn’t mean Cano stinks. He’s just slumping.
Yeah but this has been a season-long slump with the RBIs. I mean take out the 25 times he drove in himself and he’s got 43 RBI’s in like 120 games. That’s low output for an RBI spot in the lineup.
The thing is, those 25 times count. Plus, RBIs are a bad statistic since getting an RBI depends a ton on what the players in front of you do.
Robbie has had a ton of baserunners, though, second most in the AL.
Cano has not been great in those spots, overall. He has not lacked for baserunners or RBI opportunities. He’s been hot and cold. I want him on the team, and I’ll defend him forever, but he’s gotten himself out a lot in big spots this year.
I’d rather have votto or pujols on that 10 year deal over cano. Once cano’s bat speed slows down in a couple years he will probably be at .280/.330/.490. He is not good at taking walks.
Fuck! Nova and Hughes are so infuriating to watch pitch.
All things considered Nova’s been lucky. They’re shitting on him.
Lucky is good!
Man, these games are dull.
I can’t put my finger on it, but I agree. I usually pay such close attention to games, and tonight and last night I night myself constantly multitasking for some reason. The White Sox are a first place team, shouldn’t I be as interested as I was when we played Texas? It’s weird.
Yea, really. When I realized I was going to be away for the Rangers series I was so pissed. Even games against the Tigers keep me entertained. I dunno what it is. Between textbook shopping and following this thread I have no idea what’s going on besides its a 2-2 game.
Nice easy grounder off the bat of Cano.
Goddam does Cano look bad.. Counterpoint, Tex looks great….
This game is nowhere near as slow up to here as last night’s.
We were at the 7th by 11 pm I believe?
Sounds about right. Game time was 3:44, although it sure felt longer.
Yeah, this game started out like last night’s game, but then both starters improved.
Break the tiiiiiiiie
C’mon, Jones! Where’s that power?!
Andruw is due for a dinger let’s goooo
That’s my boy, andruw jones, mr clutch.
Liriano threw all breaking balls after Jones went 2-0.
Liriano’s good pitches are really good.
So Liriano has settled down and become Cliff Lee. Great. This series has to be in the top three of annoying series this year. The other two are the opening Rays series and that horrible series in Anaheim.
Oakland?
That series too!
He’s not much longer for this game.
Oh for gods sakes.
The A’s series wasn’t annoying?
For me that was the series that made me think we had sprung a leak. The ability to grind out wins in close games has been a hallmark of Yankee success. Since that series I’ve watched every game expecting something to go wrong.
Can we all agree that Francisco liriano is not this good? Because seriously? Sweep the fucking leg already…
When the Yanks are going poorly they make anyone look like Cy Young.
Remember when Nova used to generate a lot of groundball outs?
While working up in the zone with his fastball has helped his K rate, I’m not sure the damage on hits allowed is worth it. Would like to see him work down in the zone a bit more with the fastball.
Yeah. That working down in the zone thing was Nova-2011 after his trip to Scranton. Haven’t seen that guy around here this year.
Fricken’ Royals…
Ugh. Rays won again, huh?
No they just couldn’t score yet.
Well that’s good news then.
Still 0-0 in the bottom of the ninth.
Yeah. Hochevar pitches the best game of his life and they can’t scratch a run? Wait til we play them I bet Eric Hosmer goes deep and Billy Butler eats us up.
wow “neck injurie” is really “screwing” robbie…just another proof of the testosterone theory…
Dude, you misspelled testosoterone.
YOU HAVE A TWITTER
Andruw Jones is working himself towards a DFA.
no chance that happens this year
Judging by RAB posters, 3/4 of the Yankees squad needs to be DFA’d, in preparation for letting Swisher, Granderson and Cano leave as free agents.
No, I want to keep all of those guys.
Jones is different. He’s supposed to mash lefties and play some defense, but his defense has vanished and he’s not mashing much of anybody lately.
That wasn’t really directed at you. Just the general theme the last couple of days. I’m sure it’s being driven out of frustration by these so-far two painful games in Chicago, which just turned into a disaster.
Nova has no idea where his pitches are going..
Sure he does! Into the gap.
Can Nova, Hughes, Joba or some combination thereof, figure it out by October?
ANOTHER. DOUBLE.
Wouldn’t be a Nova start without a load of extra base hits allowed.
more extra base hits!!
How many runs down do we have to be before Joe yanks Nova? (Not a rhetorical question)
Four if it’s a sustained rally. Five if it’s by HRs.
Yet Nova is still in there.
I have to take ESPN to task.
They have a note about Jim Joyce saving someone’s life last night in Arizona. WHY, do they need to include the bit about his blown call on Galaragga’s perfect game?
It’s just so unnecessary.
The usual tastelessness of the national “elite” media. One cut above the criminal class.
Jim Joyce blew a call on a perfect game?
How did he save someone’s life?
Emergency CPR.
http://content.usatoday.com/co.....im-joyce/1
Nice job, Joyce!
We will have to beat the Rays to win this div or miss the playoffs all together.
Has Nova gotten any ground balls tonight?
Very few.
Yanks are going to be in a grind to win the division…
Unfortunately, you’re probably right. This is not a good rotation. If Pettitte and CC can’t return to proper form, they’ll probably not win the division. The cliche is that they have their fate in their hands because of the number of times they face TB (and Baltimore), but TB’s staff is so much superior that this is an empty banality.
Bear down, Nova!
Be nice if the Royals could score A FUCKING RUN… just 1 would get you there…
Wheels look like they are about to fall off!!!!
“Nova does not look sharp.”
Gee, when was the last time Nova did look sharp?
Rays and Royals going into extras, still scoreless. Christ.
Any way to clone Phelps so he can take over for Nova and Joba?
BP needs to be up immediately.. Wise should be his last batter
Fuck Nova sucks. I hate this scrub. Should have been traded last year.
Nova ain’t fooling nobody.
Hey the guy who threw the no hitter is warming in the pen! Never thought I’d hear that one…
Get his sorry ass out of there…
I miss awesome Nova.
Wise hitting now
Yup stealing signals again.
Same inning as last night. Same part of the order. Only last night they got the lucky call on the Ramirez double.
I am going to cry when they remove Phelps instead of Nova for CC.
As much as I want to agree…. dude, did you see what happened yesterday. Bullpen needs him. And I REALLY want Phelps to start
DFA Nova.
And here we go again. Bases loaded in the 1st and just 2 runs come across, one of those on a solo HR. And that’s the ballgame.
Yup. Felt sick as soon as they only scored two runs.
You’ve got to be f*cking kidding me
Oh fuck me sideways.
Fucking awful Nova.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.
I hate Nova. Just give up the grand slam to Assface already.
F*CK YOUK
Dewayne Wise is killing us. Why did we let him go again? I would’ve rather DFA Andruw Jones who hasn’t hit at all outside that one Boston series.
I’m going jogging now.
If you tell me you didn’t have a feeling that was coming I don’t believe you.
Is anyone no conviced jesus they know what is thrown and where.
Can you translate? Not sure what Jesus Montero hasto do with anything, but this wasn’t English…
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck….. Don’t know if I hate Youk or Hawk more right now…
Saw this one coming.
With CC due back later this week Ivan Nova should be on the first bus to AAA. He’s done.
No va on that pitch.
like I said last week.. this team has one reliable starting pitcher and is well on it’s way to blow the division lead
but we should all praise Cashman for a job well done
How is it Cashman’s fault that CC, Andy, and Pineda have gotten injured?
They will win the division.
Why would this be on Cashman? Oh yea, that’s tight, he throws all the pitches.
You mean we should ignore the fact he’s built a team that’s in first place, and only focus on the pieces you don’t like?
hahhahahahahah. awesome job Nova. Really. Way to step it up. And awesome job offense for making Liriano look good. ANyone that thinks the Yankees aren’t joking out the division are on crack.
This game is worse than last night’s. The Yankees were still in last nights game during the 5th.
BTW This entire ballpark plays like Yankee Stadium does to right.
Well at least there is no drama tonight. A good night’s sleep seems in order.
*cries*
This so fucking ridiculous it is funny. Great job managing Joe. Croos your fingers for the wild card. Fucking wash rinse repeat.
Yeah, its all Girardi’s fault. The BP has been so reliable lately. He has limited options at this point if starters can’t give him 5 innings.
Nova. LMFAO.
I’ve been sitting down this entire time, like I usually (weirdly) do… without getting water, gum or food.
And now I shall get up.
The White Sox are INFINITELY more annoying than the Red Sox. I say this because, Youk.
How many damn first pitch curveballs is Martin going to call and Nova going to throw before he realizes he’s not throwing it for a strike?
It’s absurd that they can’t seem to notice going down 1-0, 2-0 on every hitter with curves (which hitters are spitting on) isn’t working.
And then Nova is just forced to lay in fastballs which are getting smoked.
what do you want from Martin? Nova can’t throw a curve for strikes, can’t throw his fastball for strikes and most definately can’t throw that shitty ass slider for strikes… not much he can work with
3 games back coming up.
3 games ahead sorry.
Won’t be long for the 3 games back to happen. Freudian slip.
If the Rays win tonight a 10 game lead will be down to but 3. If this division lead is lost it will be the biggest collapse in MLB history. Tampa didn’t even have its best player for 3 months.
Pretty sure Boston will always hold that title of the biggest collapse.
Wow…just…wow.
Another wow for emphasis.
Wow
The Rays won’t stay hot forever.
We have been the picture of health, right?
I don’t know what the hell I just said
No it won’t, the Sox blowing the lead within a month last year still trumps this!
Biggest collapse in MLB history? This place sucks during games.
Not even close to the greatest collapse in history.
Nah. Not even close. Plus Tampa is doing it by not losing. Collapses require what the Red Sox did. Before this series, the Yankees had won seven out of ten, but lost a game in the standings because the Rays won eight of ten.
They’re just hot. They’ll cool, just as the Yankees did. And if they don’t, then don’t worry about it, ’cause they’re going to go by the Yankees if they play .850 ball the rest of the way.
7-20 down the stretch a la 2011 Sox >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this “collapse” you seem to be predicting, nostrodomus.
Correct. A collapse requires just that. The team in front to collapse. The Yankees will post a winning record from now to the end of the season. If the Rays want to go foward and have one of the greatest stretches in baseball history, then there is little to be done. Won’t be happening, though. The Yankees will win the division by +5 when it’s all said and done.
Boston holds the record for biggest collapse both in number of games ahead and percentage chance to make the playoffs.
Nothing intelligent to add here, and I don’t like to advocate violence, but fuck, I hope Kevin Youkilis steps on a Lego.
This may be the best thing I’ve ever heard… I am oddly attracted to your brand of violence
Youk suck.
Nova’s ERA, miraculously, still is just a tad south of 5.
God he has just sucked ass since June.
a grand fucking slam
un real
Yeah this team is in first place. But with the inconsistency of the offense, rotation, and relief we probably won’t make it past the first round of the playoffs just like last year.
And that’s fine.
This team isn’t the best team in baseball and are not winning the WS.
I’m sick of trolls like you saying the Yankees won’t win the WS. You have no way of knowing that. I come hear to talk baseball and have to wade through your negative trolling.
might as well leave him in now… let him take one for the team and throw 130 pitches tonight before being sent down to triple-A
Amazing that Nova only has 73 pitches.
Guess I got the answer to my earlier post: at least 4. Fuck you Joe.
Yeah, I was wrong too when I said five if by HR. Honestly didn’t think that ball was going out, but no matter. Nova dug that hole all the way.
This has nothing whatsoever to do with Girardi. You can’t just pull the starting pitcher every time he is pitching poorly, and especially with Nova’s pitch count being quite modest.
Nova was hit hard every inning. We’re not scoring runs. Our lead is down to 4, so these games are important. So…Joe leaves him in and now you see the result. A forfeit.
So who would you bring in? Joba ? Logan? Those guys are so good.
Be interesting to see if Phelps pitches on Friday and if Nova survives to stay in the rotation. I can see Phelps starting, CC being inserted in the rotation over the weekend, Nova getting one more start (a six-man rotation one turn through) and if Nova explodes again, Phelps taking his slot.
Has Nova ever thrown out of the bullpen? Maybe a trip there may do him some good (look how Freddy turned it around since April)
I don’t think he has, but he does seem to pitch well for an inning or two before the roof falls in. Right now he is the weakest link in the rotation.
Send Nova down when CC returns and give Phelps Nova’s rotation spot, with Freddy keeping Pettite’s. He is just a flat out LOSS right now every time he pitches and it’s been that way long enough
KC’s got a man on 2nd with 2 outs.
The scrub can’t command a fastball to save his life.
This is who he is.
Royals take the lead!
Nova is telegraphing his pitches…fooling no one
Ken Harrelson is a slut
Don’t look now, but the Royals fina-fucking-lly scored a run.
Miracle of miracles!
Royals scored a run, so if they hold on, this game means nothing in the standings.
Sept call ups are almost here
But the there is no pitching help in AAA
Royals got a run.
Now they have to get three more outs to give the Yankees a mulligan for tonight.
So easy to hit with no one on base.
Somehow Cashman just doesn’t have a feel for these young pitchers. You could tell that he never really liked Montero but chose Pineda (0 IP and 1 DUI). He also has this unswerving confidence in Hughes and Nova yet a guy like Phelps who might not be more than a #5 but really seems to battle he goes little time for him.
Where was Cash when Liriano was available? He’s no Cliff Lee but he would’ve been a nice buy low guy. He’s better than Nova. Well that’s what the Yankees get for being too content and standing pat at the deadline.
Buy low? Really?
The division now hinges on whether the KC Royals can push a run across vs the Rays. Oh how we have fallen from that 10 game cushion. It’s all about the pitching. The Rays have it and we don’t, aside from Hiroki. Fly ball Phil vs Cy Young Sale has trainwreck written all over it.
Wrong.
Exactly. Every year it’s the same problem with this team. Pitching. Starting pitching, relief pitching, pitching!
It wasn’t in 2009.
It was like that when CMW was our ace and got bombed in the playoffs. Randy Johnson got bombed. Last year Bartolo flames out, Garcia gets bombed. AJ is 15-4 with a 3 ERA, Ivan a 5 ERA. Yeah, we kept the right guy.
lol if you think AJ could do that with the Yankees.
No way AJ pitches like he is with the Pirates in the AL. It’s easy to have great numbers when you’re facing lineups full of shitty hitters and pitchers.
The more you talk, the more credibility you lose.
AJ ain’t in the AL East anymore…
Division hinges on the Royals scoring? Since when does Tampa gain four games for winning one? And where did the rest of the season go?
Your statement above about the worst collapse loses all your credibilty.
And go fuck yourself.
Right.
I wish the above caption read “These are not the droids you’re looking for,” or “You will take me to Jabba now.”
A run or 2 and we’re back in it.
So, we kept jones and let wise go. Think of jones as a player who never would have made the 1998 yanks. A unclutch strike out machine who hitsOccasionally homers but never when we need a hit to win a game. He is the anti Scott bros ious. And where is everyone who last week said liriano was not worth getting. He is better than nova and has given up just 2 runs. He will probably beat the yanks. But according to all the experts on this site was not worth getting.But this 200 hitting Andruw jones who was asked only to hit left-handers but is still only hitting 200! Could you imagine him hitting full time , he ‘d hit 150.The yanks are really vulnerable against left-handers.
Don’t you have a spill on aisle 3 to clean?
Remember how people said we didn’t need A-Rod? Good times.
I know.. Cool story bro
The Yankees blew their wad in the first.
They barely touched Liriano after that.
it’s their routine.. they like to score 2 in the first and get shutout the rest of the way
It helps when Jeter is batting about 600 leading off games. Maybe if the bottom of the order didn’t have an average OBP of about 290 there would be runners in scoring position once in awhile when your leading hitter comes up.
Nix, McGehee and Martin… it makes perfect sense why they can’t score more than 2 runs against an awful pitcher..
Eww Casey, eww.
Did somebody on this board write the division hangs on whether the Rays win tonight? Wow.
That would be “Arya”.
Yanks are getting swept and losing 2 of 3 in Cleveland. They are exactly the team they were in April and May.
What idiots you all are.
Um is that irony from you?
They were 13-9 in April. If they play at that pace, they will win the division by at least 5 games.
Um not possible with a 4 game difference as you have stated.
?
Yeah I haven’t been fooled. Offense and pitching have both been shaky. We’ve just been getting lucky. Come the playoffs we’re losing the first round.
And you’re back to being the doom and gloom guy you were in April and May.
And in every other game that the Yankees lose/are losing.
No just accepting what this team is and how the season will end.
Since there is some complaining about Girardi not pulling Nova sooner, I will say this again:
You can’t just pull your starter early in the fifth inning because he’s not pitching well. You have to manage the bullpen for a longer time window than today’s game. If you pull every struggling starter as soon as things get dicey, you will destroy the bullpen, and then start losing games in which the starter pitched well.
Just like the Jets forum. Unbelievable.
People, THIS TEAM IS NOT WINNING THE WORLD SERIES. LOWER YOUR DAMN EXPECTATIONS AND YOU WON”T BE ANGRY.
No.
Hey Greg, THE SEASON IS NOT FUCKING OVER. WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO WILL AND WON’T WIN THE WORLD SERIES. IT’S NOT UNREASONABLE TO BE ANNOYED THAT WE’RE RELATIVELY CLOSE TO BLOWING A NINE GAME DIVISION LEAD. STOP FUCKING ASSUMING THAT EVERYBODY PISSED AT THE TEAM RIGHT NOW IS A TROLL AND COME THE FUCK OFF OF YOUR HIGH HORSE.
Its a game.
Because people are upset we’re blowing a lead it means we’ve lost perspective on life?
This is exactly what I mean. Seriously, get off of your high horse. We’re annoyed, not trolls. We’re allowed to care about wins and losses.
Don’t let him get you riled up.
He hasn’t come to terms with the fact that he’s a troll yet.
He’s the textbook definition of a troll, actually. He just goes about it in a different way.
Except for the whole best team in the AL thing…they have no shot at the WS!
How dare you say this team will not win the World Series?
So much hate…
IF Andy and CC get back healthy and productive, they absolutely have a chance to win the series. The best team does not always win the World Series. Lesser teams than this Yankee team have won.
So why is everybody so ANGRY!
Reaction to this game.
Why do you CARE?
Because I didn’t come here to wade through trolls and anger. I came here to socialize with other people and talk baseball.
We’re ANGRY because we think this team has a shot at the World Series and they’re playing like shit. That’s allowed, Greg. We’re allowed to be worried about our team’s performance and vent a bit on a blog. It’s not unreasonable to be mad at the team’s performance.
Jets fans can’t possibly expect their team to win.
Not with two QBs who can’t pass the ball.
It’s total slapstick at this point. I CANNOT wait for this season to start.
Casey McGehee < Chase Headley/Hanley Ramirez
Ivan Nova < Francisco Liriano
Dear Cash,
For once could you trade for someone who is actually useful at the deadline?
You would have complained if we had traded for Greinke or Dempster
Was Chase Headley traded? I missed that.
Royals win!
And Kansas City wins.
So the Yankees receive their needed mulligan. More of the same tomorrow, Royals.
Yankees better get on their knees for KC.
We are 4.5 up in the division.
Royals win so this game means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
Can anybody really be this stupid?
Apparently.
Yes, it does Greg. It means exactly as much as it would’ve done otherwise. This game matters. The Rays loss also matters though. The two are not mutually exclusive Greg.
I don’t even see how that conclusion can be reached above.
That is the equivalent of saying there is no difference between a four game lead, and a five game lead, even though the latter would seem to be more desirable.
I’ve specifically called it a mulligan for a reason. The Yankees aren’t penalized for losing this game – but they sure as hell aren’t getting rewarded, either.
False.
And why do you feel the need to try to continue to prove you are an idiot?
Dude, at least get your story straight. Up above you already said that the Yanks are not winning the WS. So if you already know that, then how does the Royals’ win tonight have any effect on whether this game means anything?
It means a half game in the standings. The final score may not mean much, BUT they way we’ve been playing surely does.
This game means the same 1/162 that all the other ones do.
/Greg on a different day’d
Exactly.
It’s true though. This game=a half game in the standings. It would have meant that if the Rays won, too. That’s how baseball works.
Yeah I know, I just find it funny how Greg’s mood bounces around like the WPA graph for last year’s World Series Game 6.
I enjoy that simile.
And yet, I’d rather they actually won games instead of going to sleep at night telling themselves “The Real Greg assures me this game meant nothing.”
Royals won.
How sad is it that the team that might be the best team in MLB, is likely going to hurt their chances at a title greatly when they shut down their best pitcher?
Even the Rays cannot match Gio-Stras-Zimmermann.
Yeah, I don’t agree with shutting down Strasburg at ALL.
David Cone was very vehement about not shutting him down. He said it would do a LOT of emotional/mental damage to Strasburg as well.
Fastballs early in the count to try and get ahead….it only took 6 innings for Martin/Nova to figure this out.
I know Nova’s been getting hurt with his fastball, but when you are only throwing it when behind it makes it even worse (as hitters are sitting on fastballs and looking for a mistake)
Nova’s fastball usage is way down this year, and I think that’s one of his problems…his GB rate has also droppped (probably as a result of it)
Nova has more problems than pitch selection. His stuff isn’t sharp and his control has been poor. The stat that jumps out is his RAA, which last year was 15, and this year is -4.
COLTRANE.
Favorite album?
Stop the anger! I did come to thus site to delve in trolls and anger. They lose a game. SO WHAT?
This isn’t the Real Greg.
Yes it is. I came to this site to socialize with other people and to talk baseball. Not to sift through mindless garbage and hatred.
Oh, well just ignore them. I’m just used to you being all down-trodden.
You should stay away from the internet, fool.
PEOPLE UPSET AT THE TEAM RIGHT NOW ARE NOT ALL TROLLS.
We’re allowed to be upset about the team. They’re playing badly. It doesn’t mean we’re trolls.
You realize if you get annoyed with how the thread is going, you can leave, right? I’ve done that before. It didn’t make me think less of the people here.
They’re 9-5 in their last 14 games. That’s not playing badly.
They’re not going to win EVERY DAY
They’re playing badly in this game. They played badly yesterday. The Rays are playing extremely well.
Being upset about their level of play these last two days and the Rays hot streak is not trolling, Greg. It’s allowed.
Yet the Rays lost tonight. They did not play well.
I’m done talking with you. You really are trolling, even if you don’t realize it. All you do is go specifically against the grain then get pissy when people disagree with you.
They’re 9-5 in their last 14 games. That’s not playing badly.
They’re not going to win EVERY DAY
I don’t find the people here particularly abusive or angry. We’re baseball fans watching a game and discussing it. The Yankees are playing like shit and our commentary reflects that. So what? What’s the problem?
It goes overboard. “The biggest collapse in MLB history” Please.
Okay, I’m breaking my promise, but…
If you might have noticed, that was one poster. ONE. Stop acting like it’s all of us.
pistol pete, stuart a, Big Member, Arya, Mick Taylor.
Need I go on?
And Hummingbird doesn’t come on here unless the team is losing.
Really? Those were the posters who said it was the “biggest collapse in MLB history”? Because that’s what we were referring to, Greg.
Yes, there are trolls. But not everybody negative is a troll, Greg. We’re allowed to be negative, Greg.
Martin must have heard Kay trashing him in the booth.
Russel Martin MVP
We should be able to catch these guys.
Ivan Nova, Darrell Rasner, Sean Henn, Kei Igawa, and Matt DeSalvo is my ultimate fantasy Yankee rotation.
I think it is funny that so many people now think the Rays are this juggernaut team because they are on a hot streak.
A hot streak against the Blue Jays, Twins, Mariners, Angels and Royals to boot.
How ironic that the poll question asks which of the four songs is Sinatra’s best, yet includes his four worst.
Probably going to sound silly, but with Phelp’s awesomeness, CC returning, Joba being just straight up terrible, and Nova also being terrible the 2nd and 3rd time through the line up…would it be too crazy to let Phelps start for Nova next time out, send Joba down when you activate CC, and put Nova in the pen for the remainder of the season. Hopefully Andy comes back effective and in the playoffs we can do:
CC
Kuroda
Andy
Freddy/Phil
Andy. <3 Let Andy and Kuroda be the only starters. Forever.
I saw your comment about Stras a little bit ago, I’ll reply here since you’re probably not scrolling back up there, I disagree with you and Coney. I think shutting down Stras is the absolute right move. Not only has he never thrown this many innings before (professionally or otherwise) he’s also coming off of TJS and is a pitcher who puts A LOT of stress on his arm with how hard he is throwing. Are you taking a risk with not winning this year? Absolutely. However Washington contending for the next decade lies heavily on Strasburg’s arm.
I agree with this.
This seems so obvious. I wonder why there’s any debate.
I just don’t get how you decide how many innings equate to too many. This is a serious statement. Didn’t the “Joba Rules” mess with Joba?
They did. That was only because instead of just shutting Joba down they skipped a start then gave him a 50 pitch limit or some arbitrary number then moving him to the bullpen then starting him again. With the Verducci Effect being applied and looked towards as the current standard you never want to increase more than 30-40 innings over your previous career high with out risking doing serious future damage to the arm.
Okay, but what if you have Strasburg pitch 5 innings for each of the rest of his starts? That way, he may be able to contribute and hold down the other team. Perhaps he doesn’t have to throw a CG, but at least let the kid pitch.
Does that really help the team though? Every 5 days you KNOW that you’re going to need to get 4 innings out of your bullpen. What happens if the day before Gio just straight up doesn’t have it and gets knocked out in the second? You’re asking your bullpen to pitch 12 innings in two days. I really feel the only courses of action would be to either shut him down (like they’re doing) or if they had been a little bit more proactive skipped him at different points in the season to stretch that innings limit through the season.
I’ve said before, the Verducci System isn’t perfect, because not all innings are created equal and there needs to be a better system going forward. However for now, that’s all Washington has to go on.
Hmmmmm. Fair enough. Can I just divert to the old saying, “Well, Suzyn, you just can’t predict baseball”? Can I? I mean, you can try to control one variable (shutting down Strasburg) but the rest you literally have no control over.
Argh. Game over.
That’s true. But the debate here is between “then” and “now”. Now, the Nats have a very real shot of winning the WS. In the years to come, we have no guarantee that’ll be true, Strasburg or no Strasburg.
The point of having good players on your team is for them to help you win championships, and with Strasburg on their side the Nationals can do it this year. In the years to come, who really knows?
It’s the same balancing act every team does: you need to think beyond just the current season. In a perfect world every team is trying to win the World Series every year. As a GM/Manager/Owner you have to realize that if we want to be contenders for more than just this year we have to make some sacrifices this season.
I agree and think they just didn’t think they were good enough to contend this year. I get that they haven’t been in the playoffs for a long time, but this Nats team has a chance to be good for a while. Shut down Strasburg and go with a still very strong top 3 of Gio/Zimmermann/EJax this year.
Yeah, but the Nationals are really good this year; this might be their best shot. Innings limit, maybe. Resting him until the playoffs, all right. But shutting him down? When you’re so good? When you have such a great shot?
Not silly at all. I’d probably send down Nova instead of Joba though.
I was wondering that myself. Has Nova ever thrown out of the pen? I honestly don’t remember. It might do him some good. Freddy seems to have turned things around since april.
Yeah, when he came up in 2010 I think he threw some out of the pen.
He has only 4 career relief appearances but I think he’ll be fine pitching out of the pen for a month or so.
Mhm. Rob made a good point above, it might actually be a good fit for him. Nova usually doesn’t blow up until 3 – 4 innings in. He definitely wouldn’t be pitching that much as a reliever. One can dream.
I actually am really into this idea, but they’ll never do it.
I like it! From your keyboard to Joe’s ear.
And god, I miss Andy.
<3
Derek Lowe in a 3 run game…. apparently we have entered the Girardi give up zone.
these games are becoming unwatchable.
Please cashman dfa jones. I cannot believe there is not abetter outfielder out there you can pick up . I’d rather have Johnny Damon back. At least he might find a way to win a game with a clutch hit.
Please Mick taylor find something else to talk about.
I think we can DFA “Mick taylor,” no?
This guy’s obsession with Jones is really scary.
its stuart a, except with Jones instead of ARod
a sinkerballer is only useful when you have some infield D.. they clearly do not
Why are we loading the bases for Konerko?
Dunn and Konerko are slow and Lowe is a ground ball guy. Joe seems to be going all or nothing here.
Oh. Well that did work. Get Rios OUT.
walk the bases to face Konerko. Yeah this will end well.
Luckily it did. Don’t mean shit if the offense can’t score some runs though.
lolololol they just walked Adam Dunn to pitch to Paulie with the bases loaded.
OMG walking Dunn to get to Konero and Rios. LOLOOLOLOLOL at Girardi that will never work. What a dummy!
I have to admit that I was a bit scared.
Phew.
heckuva inning by Lowe.. with a better D he doesn’t allow baserunners there
Lowe needs to start instead of Nova
Apologize to Giradi please. He never gets any credit on here.
who cares what Girardi did? this game means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Because Girardi gets too much grief on here when he has a ring and has done a good job managing. I hate heaping hatred on other people unless it is deserved.
Having a ring doesn’t mean he makes all good decisions. There is nothing wrong with questioning a debatable move. It’s talking baseball, which you said you are here for.
Since this game means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING then we’re giving Girardi credit for managing essentially a Spring Training game. Makes no sense.
Nice.
The beauty is tomorrow’s game will also mean nothing if they lose today as the series will have already been lost.
It’s just like when the Yankees win the first 2 or 3 of a series and the final game means nothing because they already have won the series.
If you think about, no game means anything.
-If you lose game 1 of a series it means nothing because there are two to 3 more games to make up afterward.
-If you lose game 1 but win game 2 it means nothing because now you’ve just neutralized the game 1 loss.
-Game 3 means nothing because the series has already been either won or lost.
Thus, by what I call the Greg theory of baseball wins the Yankees have no wins and no losses. You’re welcome.
Yeah, I was being sarcastic (I think you got it, but am not certain)
I’m just curious to see everyone who treats the last game of a series as “gravy” when the series has been won will view a lost series the same way.
I was being COMPLETELY sarcastic, don’t worry. I’m mocking Greg, not you.
Worst reverse troll ever.
Washington has a seven game lead in the East, and a 10-4 record against the Braves.
Such an impressive team this year. I had an aggressive 94 win prediction for them this season – they’re gonna blow right past that.
I hate, though I can see what’s going on with my own eyes, when Michael Kay still gets me all hyped for something good to happen.
So, from what I understand, Greg treats the game threads as a social networking / dating site . . . Well, Greg, just in case you’re interested, I’m a Scorpio. I have blue/gray eyes. I enjoy cooking in the buff, talking to my stuffed parakeets, killing hobos, and, OH, I LOVE PIZZA!
Gotta admit, that’s hot.
and just like last night, the team gives up and goes down without a fight..
?
Did they stop trying to get hits?
Not scoring =/= gave up.
Do you really believe they have “given up” and are not trying to get hits?
You never come on here when the team is winning.
I banged Mick taylor’s wife.
haha
Poor Eddie Nunez: single, steals second, steals third, gets picked off third.
This is annoying.
http://riveraveblues.com/2012/.....nt-4721999
sorry I’m being so pestering about this, I just want to hear the other side of the debate from a logical/intelligent person.
Not a pest! I responded above. I don’t have the function set to receive emails for each response, so I just have to be scroll-happy, haha
Apparently Sterling just confused Swisher and Ichiro. Please confirm, radio folk…
Not gonna lie, I got confused too with Swish wearing the high socks.
Another triple tonight? Jeez.
With Sale vs. Hughes tomorrow night is it safe to assume we’re going to get swept?
The Yanks take 3/4 from the Rangers and the WSox get swept by KC. Who do you have winning a matchup between the Yanks and Wox? The Sox, naturally!
Baseball, man. Always keeps you guessing.
Sox*, damn it.
Let’s get to the top of the ninth with no more runs, please.
yea…. no. Time for sleep.
You jinxed it.
Thanks for nothing!
Dewayne Wise’s DFA turned the season around
Sucks to continuously see myself proven right about Wise . . . How could I be smarter than the big wigs? I don’t get it.
Chavez for POTG!
Chavez, you work that walk. YOU WORK THAT WALK.
C’mon, Jeet!
Another ugly loss. This shit is getting old.
THEY JUST CAME OFF OF A 5-2 HOMESTAND!
MY GOD.
Goodnight, peeps!
I dunno whats more pathetic….this series or those fireworks. Its okay… we will clobber Cleveland.
Le sigh. Onto the next game!
I know the game has changed, but I miss the time when if you didn’t represent the tying run (or go ahead run) in the 9th, you would take a strike in the 9th inning.
Okay, so when’s A-Rod and Andy back?
Back tomorrow for more fun.
So, pistol pete, stuart a, Hummingbird, Chilango, Big Member and Mick Taylor.
People are just brigning over the top negativity to this forum.
And seem to only participate when the team is losing.
Thanks for policing the site.
Oh yeah. forgot you.
And there goes Wallace Matthews again. What an asshole.
why be negative after all the yanks have comeback exactly zero times while trailing after 8 innings.
they had another pitcher on the ropes in the first and did not get the big hit for the 4 millionth time.
2 solo jacks is about it for the yanks….
they need to put phelps in the pen and nova or freddy need to get our of the rotation. Nova is a mental case……………
Of course the biggest problem is that A-Rod hasn’t had an RBI in about a month.
Yeah, WTF is up with that guy?
Nova = LOL!
Things will change when CC and Andy come back, when Grandy and Cano start hitting again, and when the law of averages gets it right and takes care of the RISPFAIL mystery. Hopefully this will all happen in 2012.
Your lips to Mo’s ears! LOL!
Cano still on the team? He is taking over the least prodcutive rbi role since Arod is out.
Cano’s plate discipline is a masterpiece….
arod sucks but he is better then Casey Mcgehee…
hey let’s give Cano a 7 year extension after all he is great.. 305 with 68 rbis. he is a all time great just ask his delusional fandom. the guy has plate discipline of Manny Sanguillen…