Game 123: Winnable


Yeah, the middle relief gives me a headache too. (AP Photo/Charles Rex Arbogast)

Last night’s loss to the White Sox was annoying because that game was entirely winnable, and now the Yankees come into tonight with a spent bullpen backing up the disappointing Ivan Nova. We’re nearing the end of August, tough to describe his season any other way. Here’s the lineup…

SS Derek Jeter
RF Nick Swisher
2B Robinson Cano
1B Mark Teixeira
LF Andruw Jones
CF Curtis Granderson
3B Jayson Nix
DH Casey McGehee
Russell Martin

RHP Ivan Nova

Tonight’s game starts a little after 8pm ET and can be seen on My9 locally and MLB Network nationally. Enjoy.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. The Real Greg says:

    It’s really hard to analyse this team. The Yankees have alot of holes and yet have the most wins in the AL. They have gone 12-7 in August, but the Rays have gone 14-4 to gain ground. So it is not like the Yankees have choked away this lead.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      Exactly, and why I don’t understand talk of “collapse” at this point in time.

      If the Yankees were to go 15-15 over a stretch of 30 games, and the Rays went 25-5, how is that a collapse?

      A collapse is Red Sox circa Sept. 2011, when they went 7-20. That’s flat out awful baseball.

      What’s going on right now is an unreal tear by the Rays. Hopefully it ends very, very soon, though it won’t tonight with David Price on the mound.

      • The Real Greg says:

        That would surpass the run that the 2007 Rockies went on.

        If the Rays end up completing this, tip your cap and get ready for next year.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          More realistically, I hope, there is a looming skid coming for them.

          It’s amazing how the Angels are always completely useless, isn’t it? For years, they gave the Yankees fits, and laid down like dogs when they played the Red Sox. Now, they still give the Yankees fits, but lay down like dogs to the Rays, whom they are 9-18 against since 2010 began – 3-13 at home.

          It jars me that the Rays have 13 wins there in three seasons. Yankees probably don’t have 13 wins in Anaheim since the Torre era began.

          • The Real Greg says:

            Meh. The Yankees are 5-4 against them this year, so they weren’t exactly giving them fits.

            • Kramerica Industries says:

              True, but there’s also one huge difference between the Yankees and Rays meetings.

              Six of the nine Yankees/Angels games were in NY.

              Seven of the ten Rays/Angels games were in Anaheim.

        • Laz says:

          I was expecting it. Price and Hellickson had been going good. But Moore and Shields had been really poor early on. Those are 4 talented pitchers, sure their lineup sucks, but they are all in their mid 20′s aside from shields who is 30. The 3 are all on the upswings of their careers unlike the phillies 3 aces are all on the downswing.

      • Get Phelps Up says:

        Their 12-2 stretch is suburb baseball, but people seem to overlook that it’s come against the Blue Jays, Twins, Mariners, Angels and Royals. I bet the Yankees could do close to that good against those teams, too.

        Their next stretch of games come against the A’s, Rangers, Jays, Yankees, Rangers again, Orioles and Yankees again so I’m hoping for some big time regression.

        • Kramerica Industries says:

          That series at the Trop during Labor Day week; man, will that be high time for the Yankees to get back to winning some games in the oversized warehouse.

      • TomH says:

        The issue isn’t whether or not it’s a “collapse.” It’s whether the Yankees, with a rotation significantly inferior to TB’s, can rise to the challenge of the Rays.

  2. jjyank says:

    From Wikipedia:

    “Supernovas are extremely luminous and cause a burst of radiation that often briefly outshines an entire galaxy, before fading from view over several weeks or months.”

    Maaaaaybe we shouldn’t have called Nova that. It’s the Jason Hamels curse.

  3. Kevin says:

    The Rays have had the luxury that while Longo was hurt,none of their starting staff was.
    The Yanks haven’t had the same luck.

  4. radnom says:

    a spent bullpen backing up the disappointing Ivan Nova

    Girardi actually said that everyone is available tonight. They were pretty rested before yesterday’s game.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Being available and being fresh are two different things. Joba, Logan and Lowe threw nearly 20 pitches each (more in Logan’s case).

      • MannyGeee says:

        And FWIW Logan hasn’t been ‘fresh’ since July… He musta pissed someone off, Girardi going all Scott Proctor on him and shit…

      • radnom says:

        I obviously understand the distinction between available and fresh.

        Joba, Logan, Lowe….maybe the three worst guys to run out there right now, sorry but thats not convincing me that the bullpen is shorthanded when Robertson and Soriano both threw zero pitches last night.

    • Also, the only trustworthy members of that pen when it comes to getting not-same-side-hitters out weren’t used last night.

  5. RetroRob says:

    Thought I saw some good news over on ESPN. Headline saying Melky Cabrera associate Nunez banned from clubhouses. Turns out it was not Eduardo. The threat remains.

  6. MannyGeee says:

    At least our DH isn’t hitting like .200 or something… Oh shit.

  7. Darren says:

    You think Jeter will ever come out and state emphatically that he’s never done steroids or any other PEDs?
    I kind of wish he would, but I totally understand why he doesn’t.

    Anyway,I would really like to win this game. 5 games up sounds so much more than 4 games up.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Why would he even say the word? Thats like if someone emphatically came out and told the world they weren’t gay…. With NO ONE ASKING if they were gay… Wouldn’t you wonder where it came from?


      • I’m sure you didn’t mean it as such…but that comes across as kind of antigay. Maybe it’s just cause I’m in a pissy mood that I read it that way, but I did precieve it as slightly homophobic. Only because in a right mind there is nothing wrong with being gay, but there is plenty wrong with taking PEDS.

        Again, most likely me overreacting and being in a shit mood.

        • jjyank says:

          I wouldn’t take it that way, Plouffy. Maybe this is a better way of phrasing it, though:

          If I say ” don’t think about elephants”, what’s the first thing you think of? If (and I believe he is) Jeter has always been clean, why would he even say the word?

        • MannyGeee says:

          Not homophobic at all.. Not intended to be either. Better to rephrase in that unless you are trying to hide something (substance use or a sexual preference, as it were) when no one is asking you about it… It raises an eyebrow. An example if you will:

          1st guy: “hey dude, how you doin?”
          2nd guy: “doing great… But not on steroids, you know what I’m sayin?”
          1st guy: “ummmm…. Good to hear it?”


          1st guy: “hey dude, how you doin?”
          2nd guy: “doing great… But not into dudes, you know what I’m sayin?”
          1st guy: “ummmm…. Good to hear it?”

          Help at all?

    • RetroRob says:

      Should he come out and also say he’s never beat his girl friend, robbed a bank, murdered a homeless person?

      I’m pretty sure he’s innocent of all three of those (or at least two) also.

    • Erica says:

      Why would he need to be part of that discussion?

  8. The Real Greg says:

    I’m not worried that much about the pen tonight because Phelps will probably be out there. I think its his throw day as a starter so we can put him back in the pen.

  9. Kramerica Industries says:

    At least Chicago is a wonderful city.

  10. Mike N says:

    Here’s hoping we get good Nova tonight!

  11. Wait Clemens is pitching somewhere?

  12. Erica says:

    While we wait:

    I am “Mississippi Railcar Pete”

    What’s YOUR hobo name?

  13. Cy Pettitte says:

    Derek Jeter can’t be human.

  14. CAPTAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  15. Kramerica Industries says:

    Right on cue, Mike.

  16. Erica says:


  17. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    O Captain, My Captain.

  18. Mike N says:

    HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  19. Get Phelps Up says:

    Wow Jeter is amazing.

  20. RetroRob says:

    I just hate it when Derek swings on the first pitch. Leads to such fail.

  21. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    Now this is just getting ridiculous.

  22. Darren says:

    Jeter the hobo murderer steroid taking cigarette mooch strikes again!

    Tied with old shoe face Joe Torre!!!

  23. RetroRob says:

    Stop the Pete Rose crap.

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:

      What do you mean by that?

      • Hall and Nokes says:

        Meaning he’s already well past Rose in home runs. Pete would have had to play to age 64.

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          Sorry, I missed specifically what they were saying. I heard them mention that Jeet was 1000 away from catching Rose in hits. Anything besides that which would elicit such a reaction?

          • RetroRob says:

            The “Jeter watch” to overtake Pete Rose. It’s everywhere.

            It’s not going to happen. Shouldn’t even be a discussion point until he was in the 3700 hit range and still performing at a high level. It’s nonsense right now.

  24. flamingo says:

    How is this guy human?

  25. VT Yankee Fan says:

    Jeter needs 1000 more hits to tie Rose now.

    • Darren says:

      That doesn’t sound so crazy anymore.

      • Havok9120 says:

        Of course it does. Especially if we’re expecting him to do it in pinstripes.

        • Darren says:

          Please, please explain how this sounds so crazy. You realize Jeter is leading the league in hits? Please don’t tell me how he’s 38 and every other 38 year old SS is finished at this age. That analysis makes you & all of SABR look stupid. Jeter has long ago proven that he is an outlier and when you look at his past accomplishments almost anything is now possible. And certainly if he is within a few hundred and vaguely productive he’s not going anywhere so the pinstriped comment is beyond dumb.

          • jjyank says:

            Is it so dumb? Jeter has a long way to go, and you can only expect an outlier to be an outlier for so long. This isn’t a saber argument. I love Jeter, but how many years can he do this for, realistically? Rose had the advantage of being a player-manager and collecting hits until he was in his mid-40s. And at some point, Jeter’s already below-average defense will fall of a cliff and be completely unplayable there.

            • Darren says:

              jesus. your response is incredibly frustrating to me.
              It’s like, everyone keeps moving the goaline. What the hell else does he have to do to make everyone stop trying to predict his demise and say what is and isn’t realistic. he has OBVIOUSLy so far surpassed any reasonable, realistic prediction about his career arc that you can THROW THE PAST OUT THE WINDOW.

              Does he look any slower than he did 5 or 10 years ago? it’s not like you can even see any noticeable decline! GAH!

              • jjyank says:

                I’m not predicting his decline at all. I just don’t think it’s a reasonable expectation for a 40-something year old short stop to both produce at a high level at the plate and remain passable in the field. That’s just setting yourself up for disappointment. I hope I’m very pleasantly surprised, but I don’t see it.

                Not expecting someone to become the all time leader in hits is not expecting his demise in 2012, 2013, or even 2014. There is a HUGE difference that you seem to be missing there.

              • RetroRob says:

                It’s not so much predicting his decline. It’s the nonsense of starting a Rose count in 2012 when he’s 38, playing SS, and yes his defense has declined this year from the past three years.

                We’re all rooting for Jeter. Focusing on Rose now is silly.

            • RetroRob says:

              Correct. Rose was quite effective as a hitter up until 40, but his last four or five years he was league average and below as a hitter and he was doing it at a premium power position, first base. To get the record, he had to take his act on the road and play multiple positions. Jeter won’t be doing that.

              Jeter’s defense has never been his calling card, but we can’t just assume it will remain consistent at the level from the last few years. It will get worse, and there comes a point where even his bat won’t cover the defense as he ages, especially as his hitting declines.

              I’m enjoying Jeter’s resurgence come his return from the disabled list, as much because I know it won’t last. It’s great to see, but I’m not even thinking Rose’s record.

              • Mike Axisa says:

                Rose was a .274/.354/.333 hitting FIRST BASEMAN for the last seven years of his career, getting those last 900 hits or so after age 40. I can’t see Jeter hanging on like that, he doesn’t seem like the type.

          • Havok9120 says:

            I love how you assumed you knew my whole argument before I said a word. And that I’m a SABR guy. I don’t even know how 90% of those stats are calculated.

            Say he finishes the season with 250 hits. Just hypothetically. We’re still talking another five 225 hit seasons to get the record. Who’s Jeter playing for in 5 years? What position? He doesn’t just need to not fall off a cliff offensively to do it, he has to blow the doors off the building every season for the rest of his career, or play until he’s 50. That’s why it still sounds crazy. He can’t play above average and do it, he can’t even play really good and do it unless he has no age related drop off for the next 6-8 seasons.

            How does that not sound crazy? I love the guy. Its been my favorite storyline of the season and really for last season. But there’s no way we can reasonably expect it to happen and no way it wouldn’t be crazy if he played to the level required for as long as he’d have to do it. And look at that, I didn’t use a single stat except hits.

            • jjyank says:

              This, this, this. If Jeter could be a player-manager like Rose, and play part time at multiple positions, sure, he’s got a shot. But he won’t get that shot, and if he needs to play 5+ years at a high level, where and at what position is he doing this, exactly? If he fielded like Omar Vizquel, maybe. But his defense will likely be unplayable in a couple years, and as much as I love him, I don’t see it.

              Like I said above, there is a massive difference with having no faith in the guy and expecting him to become the all time leader in hits. Expecting anyone to surpass Rose is just setting yourself up for disappointment.

            • Havok9120 says:

              Keep in mind, those 225 hit seasons would be the best hitting seasons of his career and would require him to get full seasons worth of ABs (uh oh, more stats). And he’d still need to be a 43 year old SS (or second baseman with the way that posistion is trending offensively) playing everyday and having the best season of his career.

              • Darren says:

                lol about the “uh oh more stats”

                i guess at this point, i just wouldn’t be THAT shocked if Jeter has another 3 years like this one or a little worse. let’s just say he does that, which would mean he would be about 400 hits away from the record and still playing excellent baseball.

                ok, so in 2016, he starts reallly declining. say 140 hits but still a mostly full time SS. defense is kinda bad but not unmanagebale. solid hands, zero range. overall, he WOULD STILL BE ABOVE LEAGUE AVERAGE SS!

                starting in 2017 he’d be 260 hits away. You don;t think he’d want to hang around for another 2-3 years, playing 300-400 ABs a year. MAYBE EVEN AS player manager??

                You don’t think Yankees will die for that to happen? Come on!

                yeah, i know predicating all that on another 3 years of 200 hit baseball is a lot to ask for, but all i’m saying is….

                to try and put on a limit on Jeter’s ceiling anymore is freakin ridiculous. it’s just as crazy or stupid as thinking he can get the record. nobody knows what he can do, and any past performance by Spike Owen does not precict future performance by Derek Jeter.

  26. Hall and Nokes says:

    Damn MLBN picked up the Hawk feed. Don’t they realize 99% of their audience for this game is Yankee fans and people who hate Hawk?

  27. Erica says:

    Swish – on fiyah.

  28. Anthony says:

    I’m not sure if Jeter is human or not. Please god Nova don’t blow this.

  29. RetroRob says:

    Anyone familiar with a sabermetric belief that there is no such thing as a player getting hot. As hard as I’ve tried, I’ve never understood it, and I’m a very saber-friendly person.

    • jjyank says:

      I’m not familiar, and I am very saber-friendly. But that’s nuts. Baseball is a game of streaks, both cold and hot.

    • Hall and Nokes says:

      I don’t think saber folks would say that–some of them will say there’s no such thing as clutch or pressure hitting, but that’s not the same thing. Otherwise, there would be no place in the game for swing adjustments, pitching coaches, etc.

      • RetroRob says:

        I agree with both of you, but I’ve heard it mentioned. Maybe I shouldn’t say it’s an accepted belief in saber, but I’ve heard it mentioned by saber types.

  30. Jedile says:

    Man Cano just looks awful right now…

  31. The Real Greg says:

    By the way, Chris Young has a perfect game through 5 innings against the Rockies.

  32. Mike N says:

    Cano looks heinous.

  33. Kramerica Industries says:

    Another poor AB for Robbie.

  34. Cy Pettitte says:

    that AB was pretty damn bad.

  35. …Not one strike in that AB Robbie.

  36. Hummingbird S. says:

    what the hell is Robbie swinging at?

  37. Widget says:

    Seriously Cano? Not a single one of those pitches was in the strikezone. Someone needs extra BP.

  38. The Real Greg says:

    By the way, Cano had a few days off last week with the neck.

  39. Darren says:


  40. flamingo says:

    Nice AB by Tex.

  41. The Real Greg says:

    People also forget the White Sox burned through their pen too. Especially all their lefties

  42. RetroRob says:

    Strangely feels like last night’s game. Hopefully they can deliver a big hit and Nova has more than Garcia.

  43. Anthony says:

    This looks eerily like last night… early lead… loaded bases… heh

  44. Arya says:

    Now let’s blow this open. Nova needs the support. Do anything but hit into a DP, Grandy. And don’t strike out either.

  45. Kramerica Industries says:

    Liriano is trying his best Gavin Floyd impression.

    Sure as hell better hope that the Yankees win this time.

  46. Erica says:

    Yay, Grandy.

  47. Mike N says:

    Please get another run!

  48. Havok9120 says:

    I’ll take it.

  49. Erica says:

    Jeter is just so, so, so good.

  50. Mike N says:

    Funny cat shit: When our cat heard the serious crack of the bat on Jeter’s lead-off homer, he took off running out of the room. He always runs off when he hears that loud crack, because he knows I am going to be making loud noise any second: clapping/cheers or groans/boos.

  51. Chilango says:

    1st inning seems strangely familiar.

  52. Erica says:

    Buzzfeed is seriously the best commercial break site. Nerd alert…

  53. Hummingbird S. says:

    Why is Nix hitting in front of McGehee? He has an .718 OPS against lefties while McGehee has an .821 OPS.

    Joe G. once again making no sense.

  54. Athenian says:

    Who has 3rd inning that Nova gives up the lead?

  55. RetroRob says:

    And we enter the 10th inning of last night’s game.

  56. Cy Pettitte says:

    Nova is garbage. send him down when CC comes back.

  57. The Real Greg says:

    Ump squeezing Nova a bit.

  58. Kramerica Industries says:

    At least Nova’s back on top of his game…


  59. Mike N says:

    Damn that was lucky!

  60. Erica says:

    Hahaahhaha, YOUK

  61. Fin says:

    Essh, Nova looking to be sent to AAA with Joba.

  62. Anthony says:

    Should I just go to sleep now…. don’t want last night all over again… but nice throw Martin

  63. Hummingbird S. says:

    Nice K. Please no 2 out hits..

  64. RetroRob says:

    Yes, yes. This is totally last night’s game.

    #groundhog’s day

  65. Erica says:


    • Darren says:

      But…he jsut can’t be, sniff sniff. He’s so OLD. I did copious amounts of research while waiting for my phone to ring and I determined he is actually retired due to such a steep decline aftr the age of 33. Oh, he’s probably a top 10 MVP candidate? Oh.

  66. Hummingbird S. says:

    nice play Jeter!

  67. RetroRob says:

    Okay, that worked out fine. Then again, that’s how last night started.

  68. Nice…a shut down inning from Nova. He tried his hardest to not have one but he did.

  69. Mike N says:

    Maybe Nova will settle down and be great for the rest of the game!

  70. The Real Greg says:

    That’s the one thing about Konerko. He can’t run at all.

  71. jon says:

    wow whens the last time you saw jeter plant his foot and fire a ball?

  72. Countryclub says:

    So what are the odds that when CC comes back that the Yanks keep phelps in the rotation and yank Nova out? Probably minuscule, right?

  73. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    The dark side of Jeter was that the first hit of that inning was a play I probably could have made, and I’m not that good.

    The bright side, besides the obvious (offense), was that that last play he made was pretty good.

  74. Chilango says:

    Nova does not look good. Looks like he’s overthrowing. Hope he settles down.

  75. Chris Hansen's wife says:

    your kiss is on my list

  76. RetroRob says:

    I find the Cash Blast commericial with the perverted Founding Fathers funny.

    That’s all.

  77. VT Yankee Fan says:

    Weird inning there for Nova. He was in all kinds of trouble but ended up only throwing 12 pitches.

  78. Get Phelps Up says:

    I wonder if the White Sox will sell out their playoff games if they get there.

  79. RetroRob says:

    Good, good. After driving up his pitch count, it makes perfect sense to let him back in the game and not try to get to their overworked pen.

  80. The Real Greg says:

    Didn’t mind McGehee swinging. Martin has to wait.

  81. Hummingbird S. says:

    Martin can’t hit. We have over 120 games of proof.. he should at least take some pitches.

  82. Great inning there boys…7 pitches? Maybe?

  83. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    Holy shit. My ears are bleeding from Michael Kay’s description of the “logic” of that sportswriter.


  84. Widget says:

    Suck it Aaron Cook.

  85. Allie says:

    After making him throw 30 pitches in the first, we let Liriano off on 7 pitches? Oh, jeez.

    Can’t complain too much since we’re up 2-0, and that’s what matters, but bummer.

  86. Tom says:

    31 pitch first inning…
    7 pitch second inning.

    Nice approach. 1 strike taken after a long inning like that…

  87. The Real Greg says:

    That inning’s more on Liriano finding the strike zone.

    Only Martin had the crappy at bat

  88. Heisenberg's Hat says:

    Liriano used 32 pitches to get through the first inning.
    Second inning he used 6. Dammit.

  89. Chilango says:

    OT: Good article about the statistics of “clutch performance” which sabermetricians don’t believe in. Turns out that you can make an argument showing that about 13% the variation in team W-L records is based on clutch performance.

    • Mike Axisa says:

      That’s a strawman. Clutch exists, just not to the extent that most people believe.

    • TomH says:

      What people have known for years, for decades, for a century! You call this news.

      • Chilango says:

        I agree. But it’s nice to see an analysis showing it’s true.

        • Mike N says:

          As far as I’m aware, the “hot” and “cold” effect is also substantially overestimated. If you simulate the season of a .280 batter as a series of independent ABs, each with a .280 likelihood of getting a hit, you end up with a series of hits and outs that looks like it has hot and cold streaks.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          That’s not what the article says though. It says about 13% can be attributed to factors outside of runs scored and runs allowed. It says 13% is the most that can be attributed to clutch performance (it can also be attributed to luck, or any other factors). I believe some degree of clutch does exist, but the article in no way says 13% of baseball is clutch. It allows for the possibility that up to 13% of baseball can be attributed to clutch. Based on just what is presented in the article, you can make an equal claim that 13% of baseball can be attributed to any reason outside of runs scored and runs allowed.

          • Rocky Road Redemption says:

            Excellently stated. Exactly what I got out of reading the article.

            In fact, what I got from it was, At most, only 13% of runs can even theoretically be attributed to clutch performance, and almost certainly not even that much.

            I think it hurts your case, not helps it.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Strawmen, strawmen everywhere.

      You’re arguing against the fanatic core of sabrmetricians and acting as if they’re the mainstream.

  90. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Swish and Nova.

  91. Erica says:

    So many extra base hits.

  92. Kramerica Industries says:

    Nova might not throw 10 pitches from the wind-up all night.

  93. Mike N says:


  94. Hummingbird S. says:

    Nova sucks and that was an awful route by Swisher… what a shitty play

  95. The Real Greg says:

    That was a nice throw.

  96. Anthony says:

    Alex Rios… annoying as sh*t

  97. Mike Axisa says:

    Slightly slower runner is dead meat at the plate. Stupid Rios being fast.

  98. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    No, really, am I the only person who heard Kay tell us that a sportswriter told him he would vote Jeter for MVP over Trout because the Angels would probably miss the playoffs?

    And then Kay and Coney acted as if that was a respectable point?

    I don’t even know what to say. A five year old could find the flaw in that logic.

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:

      Sorry, Singleton, not Coney. I typed Coney because I was thinking longingly of how much I wanted him to be there to stop that shit.

    • Devils advocate:MVP is Most Valuable Player, NOT best statistical year.

      • Rocky Road Redemption says:

        So what’s your point exactly, that players who have the misfortune of being on bad teams are now less valuable?

        You realize that there is no logic to that statement whatsoever, right?

    • Hall and Nokes says:

      I don’t think the Yankee broadcast team is ever going to say that it’s utter tosh for Derek Jeter to be considered for MVP, even when it is.

      I was wondering when the Jeter as MVP talk would start. The ultimate lifetime achievement award. Face it, some people, including people with votes, view the award as a way to reward players they like, and not as something that has to be given on merit alone.

  99. Get Phelps Up says:

    Really nice job by Luke Hochaver tonight.

  100. The Real Greg says:

    All in all, it could have been worse.

  101. jjyank says:

    Hawk: “But we get on the..”

    *ducks under table and covers ears*


    *sighs, wipes sweat from forehead*

  102. Chilango says:

    Nova’s been extremely lucky. Joe will probably leave him in until he gives up 5 or 6 runs. Then on the post game he’ll say this is the Major Leagues, if you leave your pitches in the zone they’re going to hit them. hey it’s baseball.

    • The Real Greg says:

      Stop it please

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:

      Seriously dude, we know you dislike Girardi.; What do you want him to say when they lose?

      “Nova was a fucking disaster, and I promise you he’s on latrine duty until he gets his fucking act together.

      “And for not scoring enough runs to bail him out I’ll have the rest of the players carry weights over their heads and chant ‘Never Leave a Fallen Man Behind’ for five hours.

      “As for the bullpen, well, I’m kicking their asses into next week. You have my word that I am taking these games as life and death situations. There will either be results or the players will fucking pay for their failures.”

      *Steps down from podium and walks away*

      *Reporters stare in silence for a moment until, one by one, they file out. And nobody ever questioned Girardi’s management again.*

      • TomH says:

        Ha ha. Very good. Maybe it’s the kind of thing he says to his wife after the game.

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          Scene: Reporter’s have all left the room, and Girardi is alone, after giving a very pleasant press conference where he talked about “trusting his players” and “being confident that things will work out”.

          Joe takes a deep breath and picks up his phone. We see him dial.


          Joe looks up suddenly to see the bat boy standing there,wide-eyed and open-mouthed.

          Girardi (in a quieter voice): Oh shit.

          The little boy sprints out of the room, leaving Girardi staring at the spot where he stood, open-mouthed, phone in hand. End scene.

  103. Hummingbird S. says:

    swinging at crap..

  104. Mike N says:

    C’mon, Robbie!

  105. Kramerica Industries says:

    And another K for Cano.

  106. Erica says:

    Ugh, Cano.

  107. Get Phelps Up says:

    Cano slumps are no fun.

  108. The Real Greg says:

    Nasty pitch by liriano.

  109. MannyGeee says:

    Ok, so I hate Hawk Harrelson… I will preface with that… With that said:

    He’s been pretty good tonight.

    His call for Jeter was pretty awesome: ” All Jeter did last night was go 4-5 with a homer…*CRACK*….. OK make that 5-6 with TWO homers for Mr Jeter…”

    On Tex’s LONG foul ball: “Right shape…..wrong size”

    And now he’s shitting on Scott Boras’ comments about how he & Mike Rizzo built the Nationals….

    So I am kinda on the Hawk Train right now… Until Dunn hits one out, and then I’ll be all like FUCK HAWK again…

  110. oldmanalex says:

    If jeter finishes strong. Any chance he gets a lifetime achievement MVP or something. He’s been robbed twice as it is…

  111. Chilango says:

    Liriano has 55 pitches in the 3d. If we’re patient, we’ll be into the pen by the 6th.

  112. flamingo says:

    Tex accounts for 16 of Liriano’s pitches.

  113. Erica says:

    Nice, Andruw!

  114. Hummingbird S. says:

    more runners stranded.. this is exactly like last night’s game.

  115. The Real Greg says:

    Rallies started with 2 outs don’t usually produce fruit.

  116. Will The Thrill says:

    Yankees love to tease. I’d really like them to punish a struggling pitcher and win a game for once.

  117. Get Phelps Up says:

    I’d like for the Royals to score a run please.

  118. Mike N says:

    RE: Girardi supposedly leaving starting pitchers in too long when they aren’t pitching well.

    You can’t just pull every starter as soon as it becomes clear that he is pitching poorly, or you overwork your bullpen. Then you end up losing close games your starter pitched well in because the bullpen is gassed. Girardi needs to take this very carefully into account with the goal of maximizing win likelihood over the course of the entire rest of the season, not just today’s game.

  119. Hummingbird S. says:

    nice quick inning by Nova there.. now let’s get some more runs, please

  120. Mike N says:

    I like how everyone’s up-thread arguing about clutchitude and two-out rally fallacies.

  121. MannyGeee says:

    BTW, 77 pitches through 3.2 for liriano… They might be in trouble when you crack that bullpen open in the 4th…

  122. Kramerica Industries says:

    Is it fricken’ Reggie Sanders?

    God, I’m stumped big-time here.

  123. jjyank says:

    Wait…did Hawk just call that bloop hit by Martin a “duck snort”? Did I hear that right?

    • RetroRob says:

      Yeah, that’s one of his terms. It’s an old baseball term.

      • jjyank says:

        Is it? Can’t say I ever heard it. But I’m also not old.

        • RetroRob says:

          I go back to Rizzuto announcing games, and he used to reguarly say “can of corn,” but I don’t remember the duck snort reference. I have heard it though, but rarely. Hawk uses it all the time.

          Trust me, though. Now that you know what it is, you’ll see it pop up reguarly.

          • jjyank says:

            Interesting. I know “cano of corn”, my little league coaches used to say that all the time. But “duck snort” is new for me.

            • RetroRob says:

              I’m sure Rizzuto and White never used duck snort when I was growing up, otherwise I would have researched it. (BTW Pre-Internet, researching was a bitch. You had to go to libraries, or worse, actually talk to people older. Scary times, man.) Yet Hawk does, so 8-year-olds in Chicago will know what a duck snort means, but kids in NY won’t.

              I always knew can of corn meant something easy, but then I wanted to know why. Where it came from.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Yup… Just happened. It’s like sitting on your grandpa’s lap… If he were a drunk and super-biased ChiSox fan.

  124. Mike N says:

    C’mon, Jeet! Jack another!

  125. Hummingbird S. says:

    damn Jeter… swung at crap low in the zone

  126. The Real Greg says:

    Wasn’t Matt Williams a suspected roider?

  127. jjyank says:

    A hang-wiffle? Hawk really is busting out all these “old baseball” terms.

  128. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    To Greg: Here is why everybody is seriously fucking pissed with you right now.

    Notice I don’t say we all hate you. Or even dislike you. You don’t seem like a bad dude. I don’t dislike YOU. But you’re being annoying as fuck, and everybody is noticing.

    Why? Because you PREEMPTIVELY respond to things you THINK people will say when the inning is over, as if everybody who says those things are trolls.

    For example, “Rallies started with 2 outs don’t usually produce fruit.”

    1) Not everybody said that.

    2) Of those who did say it, not all of them were trolls. As such, they deserved SERIOUS responses, not pithy preemptive strikes with no substance.

    Not only that, we call you out on shit, all the time and you act as if you don’t notice. Or you argue against completely rational points.

    You said yesterday that it makes life easier for you to “go between two extremes”. Well, maybe for you. But it makes us fucking annoyed. Please stop.

  129. Mike N says:

    Crap, Konerko.

  130. The Real Greg says:

    Damn that pitch was up and in.

  131. MannyGeee says:


    See that? It just happened…

  132. Hummingbird S. says:

    another high fastball, another extra base hit.. Nova absolutely sucks right now

  133. Kramerica Industries says:

    How the hell did Konerko hit that out?

  134. Haywood Jablowmy says:

    You guys know just like toronto the black sox steal signs too.
    Look at the stupid pinwheels in center field and the lights.

  135. Cy Pettitte says:

    every single out: “lined right at…”

  136. Hummingbird S. says:

    line drives all over the field, but at least Nova is getting lucky

  137. Heisenberg's Hat says:

    I do not care for these White Sox.

  138. Celerino Sanchez says:

    So let’s review – Liriano’s at around 80 pitches through 4 innings. Nova’s at 43. Game is tied at 2 and we again haven’t capitalized on anything.

    Oh, Cano’s 0-2 with 2 K’s as well. When will this guy ever get a big hit 68 RBI’s batting primarily in the 3 spot?

    Anybody know what his average is since Boras mentioned that 10-year contract?

    I’m just sayin’

    • The Real Greg says:

      The only golden opportunity we’ve had was in the first inning and we scored 2 runs.

      • Celerino Sanchez says:

        One was a leadoff HR And the third inning Liriano was again gassed throwing 28 pitches and going to full counts on everyone. A two out base hit there would have been nice.

    • Mike N says:

      Liriano being already at 80 pitches is good. We’ll be getting to their pen soon, and they worked many innings last night.

      • Celerino Sanchez says:

        Agreed but this again feels like we coulda, woulda, shoulda and then Girardi is explaining a loss. I hope their pen is dead tonight.

    • Heisenberg's Hat says:

      The idea of a 10 year contract for anyone is a joke, but that doesn’t mean Cano stinks. He’s just slumping.

      • Celerino Sanchez says:

        Yeah but this has been a season-long slump with the RBIs. I mean take out the 25 times he drove in himself and he’s got 43 RBI’s in like 120 games. That’s low output for an RBI spot in the lineup.

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          The thing is, those 25 times count. Plus, RBIs are a bad statistic since getting an RBI depends a ton on what the players in front of you do.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

            Robbie has had a ton of baserunners, though, second most in the AL.

          • Heisenberg's Hat says:

            Cano has not been great in those spots, overall. He has not lacked for baserunners or RBI opportunities. He’s been hot and cold. I want him on the team, and I’ll defend him forever, but he’s gotten himself out a lot in big spots this year.

      • Laz says:

        I’d rather have votto or pujols on that 10 year deal over cano. Once cano’s bat speed slows down in a couple years he will probably be at .280/.330/.490. He is not good at taking walks.

  139. Chris says:

    Fuck! Nova and Hughes are so infuriating to watch pitch.

  140. Chilango says:

    All things considered Nova’s been lucky. They’re shitting on him.

  141. Mike N says:

    Lucky is good!

  142. Anthony says:

    Man, these games are dull.

    • jjyank says:

      I can’t put my finger on it, but I agree. I usually pay such close attention to games, and tonight and last night I night myself constantly multitasking for some reason. The White Sox are a first place team, shouldn’t I be as interested as I was when we played Texas? It’s weird.

      • Anthony says:

        Yea, really. When I realized I was going to be away for the Rangers series I was so pissed. Even games against the Tigers keep me entertained. I dunno what it is. Between textbook shopping and following this thread I have no idea what’s going on besides its a 2-2 game.

  143. Celerino Sanchez says:

    Nice easy grounder off the bat of Cano.

  144. MannyGeee says:

    Goddam does Cano look bad.. Counterpoint, Tex looks great….

  145. Mike N says:

    This game is nowhere near as slow up to here as last night’s.

  146. Erica says:

    Break the tiiiiiiiie

  147. Mike N says:

    C’mon, Jones! Where’s that power?!

  148. Chilango says:

    Andruw is due for a dinger let’s goooo

  149. Mick taylor says:

    That’s my boy, andruw jones, mr clutch.

  150. The Real Greg says:

    Liriano threw all breaking balls after Jones went 2-0.

  151. Mike N says:

    Liriano’s good pitches are really good.

  152. Will The Thrill says:

    So Liriano has settled down and become Cliff Lee. Great. This series has to be in the top three of annoying series this year. The other two are the opening Rays series and that horrible series in Anaheim.

  153. MannyGeee says:

    Can we all agree that Francisco liriano is not this good? Because seriously? Sweep the fucking leg already…

    • Heisenberg's Hat says:

      When the Yanks are going poorly they make anyone look like Cy Young.

    • Tom says:

      Remember when Nova used to generate a lot of groundball outs?

      While working up in the zone with his fastball has helped his K rate, I’m not sure the damage on hits allowed is worth it. Would like to see him work down in the zone a bit more with the fastball.

      • Celerino Sanchez says:

        Yeah. That working down in the zone thing was Nova-2011 after his trip to Scranton. Haven’t seen that guy around here this year.

  154. Kramerica Industries says:

    Fricken’ Royals…

  155. Big Member says:

    wow “neck injurie” is really “screwing” robbie…just another proof of the testosterone theory…

  156. Heisenberg's Hat says:

    Andruw Jones is working himself towards a DFA.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      no chance that happens this year

    • RetroRob says:

      Judging by RAB posters, 3/4 of the Yankees squad needs to be DFA’d, in preparation for letting Swisher, Granderson and Cano leave as free agents.

      • Heisenberg's Hat says:

        No, I want to keep all of those guys.
        Jones is different. He’s supposed to mash lefties and play some defense, but his defense has vanished and he’s not mashing much of anybody lately.

        • RetroRob says:

          That wasn’t really directed at you. Just the general theme the last couple of days. I’m sure it’s being driven out of frustration by these so-far two painful games in Chicago, which just turned into a disaster.

  157. Hummingbird S. says:

    Nova has no idea where his pitches are going..

  158. Chilango says:

    Can Nova, Hughes, Joba or some combination thereof, figure it out by October?

  159. Erica says:


  160. Kramerica Industries says:

    Wouldn’t be a Nova start without a load of extra base hits allowed.

  161. Hummingbird S. says:

    more extra base hits!!

  162. Chilango says:

    How many runs down do we have to be before Joe yanks Nova? (Not a rhetorical question)

  163. Kramerica Industries says:

    I have to take ESPN to task.

    They have a note about Jim Joyce saving someone’s life last night in Arizona. WHY, do they need to include the bit about his blown call on Galaragga’s perfect game?

    It’s just so unnecessary.

  164. Haywood Jablowmy says:

    We will have to beat the Rays to win this div or miss the playoffs all together.

  165. Chilango says:

    Has Nova gotten any ground balls tonight?

  166. Athenian says:

    Yanks are going to be in a grind to win the division…

    • TomH says:

      Unfortunately, you’re probably right. This is not a good rotation. If Pettitte and CC can’t return to proper form, they’ll probably not win the division. The cliche is that they have their fate in their hands because of the number of times they face TB (and Baltimore), but TB’s staff is so much superior that this is an empty banality.

  167. Mike N says:

    Bear down, Nova!

  168. MannyGeee says:

    Be nice if the Royals could score A FUCKING RUN… just 1 would get you there…

  169. Celerino Sanchez says:

    Wheels look like they are about to fall off!!!!

  170. Kramerica Industries says:

    “Nova does not look sharp.”

    Gee, when was the last time Nova did look sharp?

  171. Allie says:

    Rays and Royals going into extras, still scoreless. Christ.

  172. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Any way to clone Phelps so he can take over for Nova and Joba?

  173. Hummingbird S. says:

    BP needs to be up immediately.. Wise should be his last batter

  174. Karl Krawfid says:

    Fuck Nova sucks. I hate this scrub. Should have been traded last year.

  175. Christopher says:

    Nova ain’t fooling nobody.

  176. MannyGeee says:

    Hey the guy who threw the no hitter is warming in the pen! Never thought I’d hear that one…

  177. Hummingbird S. says:

    Get his sorry ass out of there…

  178. Erica says:

    I miss awesome Nova.

  179. Haywood Jablowmy says:

    Wise hitting now
    Yup stealing signals again.

  180. Celerino Sanchez says:

    Same inning as last night. Same part of the order. Only last night they got the lucky call on the Ramirez double.

  181. DERP says:

    I am going to cry when they remove Phelps instead of Nova for CC.

    • Anthony says:

      As much as I want to agree…. dude, did you see what happened yesterday. Bullpen needs him. And I REALLY want Phelps to start

  182. Cy Pettitte says:

    DFA Nova.

  183. Arya says:

    And here we go again. Bases loaded in the 1st and just 2 runs come across, one of those on a solo HR. And that’s the ballgame.

  184. Anthony says:

    You’ve got to be f*cking kidding me

  185. Kramerica Industries says:

    Oh fuck me sideways.

  186. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Fucking awful Nova.

  187. Mike N says:


  188. Widget says:

    I hate Nova. Just give up the grand slam to Assface already.

  189. Erica says:


  190. Will The Thrill says:

    Dewayne Wise is killing us. Why did we let him go again? I would’ve rather DFA Andruw Jones who hasn’t hit at all outside that one Boston series.

  191. Heisenberg's Hat says:

    I’m going jogging now.

  192. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    If you tell me you didn’t have a feeling that was coming I don’t believe you.

  193. Haywood Jablowmy says:

    Is anyone no conviced jesus they know what is thrown and where.

  194. MannyGeee says:

    Fuuuuuuuuuuuck….. Don’t know if I hate Youk or Hawk more right now…

  195. Chilango says:

    Saw this one coming.

  196. Arya says:

    With CC due back later this week Ivan Nova should be on the first bus to AAA. He’s done.

  197. Christopher says:

    No va on that pitch.

  198. Hummingbird S. says:

    like I said last week.. this team has one reliable starting pitcher and is well on it’s way to blow the division lead

    but we should all praise Cashman for a job well done

  199. Widget says:

    hahhahahahahah. awesome job Nova. Really. Way to step it up. And awesome job offense for making Liriano look good. ANyone that thinks the Yankees aren’t joking out the division are on crack.

  200. RetroRob says:

    This game is worse than last night’s. The Yankees were still in last nights game during the 5th.

    BTW This entire ballpark plays like Yankee Stadium does to right.

  201. Celerino Sanchez says:

    Well at least there is no drama tonight. A good night’s sleep seems in order.

  202. David Phelps says:


  203. Athenian says:

    This so fucking ridiculous it is funny. Great job managing Joe. Croos your fingers for the wild card. Fucking wash rinse repeat.

    • Reverse Mormon says:

      Yeah, its all Girardi’s fault. The BP has been so reliable lately. He has limited options at this point if starters can’t give him 5 innings.

  204. your mom says:

    Nova. LMFAO.

  205. Erica says:

    I’ve been sitting down this entire time, like I usually (weirdly) do… without getting water, gum or food.

    And now I shall get up.

    The White Sox are INFINITELY more annoying than the Red Sox. I say this because, Youk.

  206. Tom says:

    How many damn first pitch curveballs is Martin going to call and Nova going to throw before he realizes he’s not throwing it for a strike?

    It’s absurd that they can’t seem to notice going down 1-0, 2-0 on every hitter with curves (which hitters are spitting on) isn’t working.

    And then Nova is just forced to lay in fastballs which are getting smoked.

    • Hummingbird S. says:

      what do you want from Martin? Nova can’t throw a curve for strikes, can’t throw his fastball for strikes and most definately can’t throw that shitty ass slider for strikes… not much he can work with

  207. Karl Krawfid says:

    3 games back coming up.

  208. Arya says:

    If the Rays win tonight a 10 game lead will be down to but 3. If this division lead is lost it will be the biggest collapse in MLB history. Tampa didn’t even have its best player for 3 months.

  209. Allie says:

    Nothing intelligent to add here, and I don’t like to advocate violence, but fuck, I hope Kevin Youkilis steps on a Lego.

  210. Christopher says:

    Youk suck.

  211. Kramerica Industries says:

    Nova’s ERA, miraculously, still is just a tad south of 5.

    God he has just sucked ass since June.

  212. Dela G says:

    a grand fucking slam

    un real

  213. Will The Thrill says:

    Yeah this team is in first place. But with the inconsistency of the offense, rotation, and relief we probably won’t make it past the first round of the playoffs just like last year.

    • The Real Greg says:

      And that’s fine.

      This team isn’t the best team in baseball and are not winning the WS.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

        I’m sick of trolls like you saying the Yankees won’t win the WS. You have no way of knowing that. I come hear to talk baseball and have to wade through your negative trolling.

  214. Hummingbird S. says:

    might as well leave him in now… let him take one for the team and throw 130 pitches tonight before being sent down to triple-A

  215. Mike N says:

    Amazing that Nova only has 73 pitches.

  216. Chilango says:

    Guess I got the answer to my earlier post: at least 4. Fuck you Joe.

    • RetroRob says:

      Yeah, I was wrong too when I said five if by HR. Honestly didn’t think that ball was going out, but no matter. Nova dug that hole all the way.

    • Mike N says:

      This has nothing whatsoever to do with Girardi. You can’t just pull the starting pitcher every time he is pitching poorly, and especially with Nova’s pitch count being quite modest.

      • Chilango says:

        Nova was hit hard every inning. We’re not scoring runs. Our lead is down to 4, so these games are important. So…Joe leaves him in and now you see the result. A forfeit.

  217. RetroRob says:

    Be interesting to see if Phelps pitches on Friday and if Nova survives to stay in the rotation. I can see Phelps starting, CC being inserted in the rotation over the weekend, Nova getting one more start (a six-man rotation one turn through) and if Nova explodes again, Phelps taking his slot.

    • Anthony says:

      Has Nova ever thrown out of the bullpen? Maybe a trip there may do him some good (look how Freddy turned it around since April)

      • RetroRob says:

        I don’t think he has, but he does seem to pitch well for an inning or two before the roof falls in. Right now he is the weakest link in the rotation.

  218. Jon G says:

    Send Nova down when CC returns and give Phelps Nova’s rotation spot, with Freddy keeping Pettite’s. He is just a flat out LOSS right now every time he pitches and it’s been that way long enough

  219. Mike N says:

    KC’s got a man on 2nd with 2 outs.

  220. Karl Krawfid says:

    The scrub can’t command a fastball to save his life.

    This is who he is.

  221. Get Phelps Up says:

    Royals take the lead!

  222. MannyGeee says:

    Nova is telegraphing his pitches…fooling no one

  223. Cuso says:

    Ken Harrelson is a slut

  224. Allie says:

    Don’t look now, but the Royals fina-fucking-lly scored a run.

  225. The Real Greg says:

    Royals scored a run, so if they hold on, this game means nothing in the standings.

  226. Haywood Jablowmy says:

    Sept call ups are almost here
    But the there is no pitching help in AAA

  227. Kramerica Industries says:

    Royals got a run.

    Now they have to get three more outs to give the Yankees a mulligan for tonight.

  228. Karl Krawfid says:

    So easy to hit with no one on base.

  229. Celerino Sanchez says:

    Somehow Cashman just doesn’t have a feel for these young pitchers. You could tell that he never really liked Montero but chose Pineda (0 IP and 1 DUI). He also has this unswerving confidence in Hughes and Nova yet a guy like Phelps who might not be more than a #5 but really seems to battle he goes little time for him.

  230. Will The Thrill says:

    Where was Cash when Liriano was available? He’s no Cliff Lee but he would’ve been a nice buy low guy. He’s better than Nova. Well that’s what the Yankees get for being too content and standing pat at the deadline.

  231. Arya says:

    The division now hinges on whether the KC Royals can push a run across vs the Rays. Oh how we have fallen from that 10 game cushion. It’s all about the pitching. The Rays have it and we don’t, aside from Hiroki. Fly ball Phil vs Cy Young Sale has trainwreck written all over it.

  232. Cuso says:

    I wish the above caption read “These are not the droids you’re looking for,” or “You will take me to Jabba now.”

  233. your mom says:

    A run or 2 and we’re back in it.

  234. Mick taylor says:

    So, we kept jones and let wise go. Think of jones as a player who never would have made the 1998 yanks. A unclutch strike out machine who hitsOccasionally homers but never when we need a hit to win a game. He is the anti Scott bros ious. And where is everyone who last week said liriano was not worth getting. He is better than nova and has given up just 2 runs. He will probably beat the yanks. But according to all the experts on this site was not worth getting.But this 200 hitting Andruw jones who was asked only to hit left-handers but is still only hitting 200! Could you imagine him hitting full time , he ‘d hit 150.The yanks are really vulnerable against left-handers.

  235. DERP says:

    Remember how people said we didn’t need A-Rod? Good times.

  236. Kramerica Industries says:

    The Yankees blew their wad in the first.

    They barely touched Liriano after that.

    • Hummingbird S. says:

      it’s their routine.. they like to score 2 in the first and get shutout the rest of the way

      • Reverse Mormon says:

        It helps when Jeter is batting about 600 leading off games. Maybe if the bottom of the order didn’t have an average OBP of about 290 there would be runners in scoring position once in awhile when your leading hitter comes up.

  237. Hummingbird S. says:

    Nix, McGehee and Martin… it makes perfect sense why they can’t score more than 2 runs against an awful pitcher..

  238. your mom says:

    Eww Casey, eww.

  239. Christopher says:

    Did somebody on this board write the division hangs on whether the Rays win tonight? Wow.

  240. Athenian says:

    Yanks are getting swept and losing 2 of 3 in Cleveland. They are exactly the team they were in April and May.

  241. Mike N says:

    Since there is some complaining about Girardi not pulling Nova sooner, I will say this again:

    You can’t just pull your starter early in the fifth inning because he’s not pitching well. You have to manage the bullpen for a longer time window than today’s game. If you pull every struggling starter as soon as things get dicey, you will destroy the bullpen, and then start losing games in which the starter pitched well.

  242. The Real Greg says:

    Just like the Jets forum. Unbelievable.


    • Christopher says:


    • Rocky Road Redemption says:


      • The Real Greg says:

        Its a game.

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          Because people are upset we’re blowing a lead it means we’ve lost perspective on life?

          This is exactly what I mean. Seriously, get off of your high horse. We’re annoyed, not trolls. We’re allowed to care about wins and losses.

          • Cuso says:

            Don’t let him get you riled up.

            He hasn’t come to terms with the fact that he’s a troll yet.

            He’s the textbook definition of a troll, actually. He just goes about it in a different way.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      Except for the whole best team in the AL thing…they have no shot at the WS!

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      How dare you say this team will not win the World Series?

      So much hate…

      IF Andy and CC get back healthy and productive, they absolutely have a chance to win the series. The best team does not always win the World Series. Lesser teams than this Yankee team have won.

      • The Real Greg says:

        So why is everybody so ANGRY!

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          Reaction to this game.
          Why do you CARE?

          • The Real Greg says:

            Because I didn’t come here to wade through trolls and anger. I came here to socialize with other people and talk baseball.

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          We’re ANGRY because we think this team has a shot at the World Series and they’re playing like shit. That’s allowed, Greg. We’re allowed to be worried about our team’s performance and vent a bit on a blog. It’s not unreasonable to be mad at the team’s performance.

    • Erica says:

      Jets fans can’t possibly expect their team to win.

  243. Will The Thrill says:

    Casey McGehee < Chase Headley/Hanley Ramirez
    Ivan Nova < Francisco Liriano

    Dear Cash,

    For once could you trade for someone who is actually useful at the deadline?

  244. Get Phelps Up says:

    Royals win!

  245. Kramerica Industries says:

    And Kansas City wins.

    So the Yankees receive their needed mulligan. More of the same tomorrow, Royals.

  246. Karl Krawfid says:

    Yankees better get on their knees for KC.

  247. DERP says:

    We are 4.5 up in the division.

  248. The Real Greg says:

    Royals win so this game means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING

    • Hummingbird S. says:

      Can anybody really be this stupid?

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:

      Yes, it does Greg. It means exactly as much as it would’ve done otherwise. This game matters. The Rays loss also matters though. The two are not mutually exclusive Greg.

      • Kramerica Industries says:

        I don’t even see how that conclusion can be reached above.

        That is the equivalent of saying there is no difference between a four game lead, and a five game lead, even though the latter would seem to be more desirable.

        I’ve specifically called it a mulligan for a reason. The Yankees aren’t penalized for losing this game – but they sure as hell aren’t getting rewarded, either.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      And why do you feel the need to try to continue to prove you are an idiot?

    • Mike N says:

      Dude, at least get your story straight. Up above you already said that the Yanks are not winning the WS. So if you already know that, then how does the Royals’ win tonight have any effect on whether this game means anything?

    • Chilango says:

      It means a half game in the standings. The final score may not mean much, BUT they way we’ve been playing surely does.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      This game means the same 1/162 that all the other ones do.

      /Greg on a different day’d

    • Heisenberg's Hat says:

      And yet, I’d rather they actually won games instead of going to sleep at night telling themselves “The Real Greg assures me this game meant nothing.”

  249. Mike N says:

    Royals won.

  250. Kramerica Industries says:

    How sad is it that the team that might be the best team in MLB, is likely going to hurt their chances at a title greatly when they shut down their best pitcher?

    Even the Rays cannot match Gio-Stras-Zimmermann.

    • Erica says:

      Yeah, I don’t agree with shutting down Strasburg at ALL.

      David Cone was very vehement about not shutting him down. He said it would do a LOT of emotional/mental damage to Strasburg as well.

  251. Tom says:

    Fastballs early in the count to try and get ahead….it only took 6 innings for Martin/Nova to figure this out.

    I know Nova’s been getting hurt with his fastball, but when you are only throwing it when behind it makes it even worse (as hitters are sitting on fastballs and looking for a mistake)

    Nova’s fastball usage is way down this year, and I think that’s one of his problems…his GB rate has also droppped (probably as a result of it)

    • Chilango says:

      Nova has more problems than pitch selection. His stuff isn’t sharp and his control has been poor. The stat that jumps out is his RAA, which last year was 15, and this year is -4.

  252. Erica says:


  253. The Real Greg says:

    Stop the anger! I did come to thus site to delve in trolls and anger. They lose a game. SO WHAT?

    • Erica says:

      This isn’t the Real Greg.

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:


      We’re allowed to be upset about the team. They’re playing badly. It doesn’t mean we’re trolls.

      You realize if you get annoyed with how the thread is going, you can leave, right? I’ve done that before. It didn’t make me think less of the people here.

      • The Real Greg says:

        They’re 9-5 in their last 14 games. That’s not playing badly.

        They’re not going to win EVERY DAY

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          They’re playing badly in this game. They played badly yesterday. The Rays are playing extremely well.

          Being upset about their level of play these last two days and the Rays hot streak is not trolling, Greg. It’s allowed.

          • The Real Greg says:

            Yet the Rays lost tonight. They did not play well.

            • Rocky Road Redemption says:

              I’m done talking with you. You really are trolling, even if you don’t realize it. All you do is go specifically against the grain then get pissy when people disagree with you.

      • The Real Greg says:

        They’re 9-5 in their last 14 games. That’s not playing badly.

        They’re not going to win EVERY DAY

        • Chilango says:

          I don’t find the people here particularly abusive or angry. We’re baseball fans watching a game and discussing it. The Yankees are playing like shit and our commentary reflects that. So what? What’s the problem?

          • The Real Greg says:

            It goes overboard. “The biggest collapse in MLB history” Please.

            • Rocky Road Redemption says:

              Okay, I’m breaking my promise, but…

              If you might have noticed, that was one poster. ONE. Stop acting like it’s all of us.

              • The Real Greg says:

                pistol pete, stuart a, Big Member, Arya, Mick Taylor.

                Need I go on?

                • The Real Greg says:

                  And Hummingbird doesn’t come on here unless the team is losing.

                • Rocky Road Redemption says:

                  Really? Those were the posters who said it was the “biggest collapse in MLB history”? Because that’s what we were referring to, Greg.

                  Yes, there are trolls. But not everybody negative is a troll, Greg. We’re allowed to be negative, Greg.

  254. Mike N says:

    Martin must have heard Kay trashing him in the booth.

  255. Anthony says:

    Russel Martin MVP

  256. Christopher says:

    We should be able to catch these guys.

  257. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Ivan Nova, Darrell Rasner, Sean Henn, Kei Igawa, and Matt DeSalvo is my ultimate fantasy Yankee rotation.

  258. DERP says:

    I think it is funny that so many people now think the Rays are this juggernaut team because they are on a hot streak.

  259. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    How ironic that the poll question asks which of the four songs is Sinatra’s best, yet includes his four worst.

  260. Probably going to sound silly, but with Phelp’s awesomeness, CC returning, Joba being just straight up terrible, and Nova also being terrible the 2nd and 3rd time through the line up…would it be too crazy to let Phelps start for Nova next time out, send Joba down when you activate CC, and put Nova in the pen for the remainder of the season. Hopefully Andy comes back effective and in the playoffs we can do:

    • Erica says:

      Andy. <3 Let Andy and Kuroda be the only starters. Forever.

      • I saw your comment about Stras a little bit ago, I’ll reply here since you’re probably not scrolling back up there, I disagree with you and Coney. I think shutting down Stras is the absolute right move. Not only has he never thrown this many innings before (professionally or otherwise) he’s also coming off of TJS and is a pitcher who puts A LOT of stress on his arm with how hard he is throwing. Are you taking a risk with not winning this year? Absolutely. However Washington contending for the next decade lies heavily on Strasburg’s arm.

        • Mike N says:

          I agree with this.

        • Chilango says:

          This seems so obvious. I wonder why there’s any debate.

        • Erica says:

          I just don’t get how you decide how many innings equate to too many. This is a serious statement. Didn’t the “Joba Rules” mess with Joba?

          • They did. That was only because instead of just shutting Joba down they skipped a start then gave him a 50 pitch limit or some arbitrary number then moving him to the bullpen then starting him again. With the Verducci Effect being applied and looked towards as the current standard you never want to increase more than 30-40 innings over your previous career high with out risking doing serious future damage to the arm.

            • Erica says:

              Okay, but what if you have Strasburg pitch 5 innings for each of the rest of his starts? That way, he may be able to contribute and hold down the other team. Perhaps he doesn’t have to throw a CG, but at least let the kid pitch.

              • Does that really help the team though? Every 5 days you KNOW that you’re going to need to get 4 innings out of your bullpen. What happens if the day before Gio just straight up doesn’t have it and gets knocked out in the second? You’re asking your bullpen to pitch 12 innings in two days. I really feel the only courses of action would be to either shut him down (like they’re doing) or if they had been a little bit more proactive skipped him at different points in the season to stretch that innings limit through the season.

                I’ve said before, the Verducci System isn’t perfect, because not all innings are created equal and there needs to be a better system going forward. However for now, that’s all Washington has to go on.

                • Erica says:

                  Hmmmmm. Fair enough. Can I just divert to the old saying, “Well, Suzyn, you just can’t predict baseball”? Can I? I mean, you can try to control one variable (shutting down Strasburg) but the rest you literally have no control over.

                  Argh. Game over.

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          That’s true. But the debate here is between “then” and “now”. Now, the Nats have a very real shot of winning the WS. In the years to come, we have no guarantee that’ll be true, Strasburg or no Strasburg.

          The point of having good players on your team is for them to help you win championships, and with Strasburg on their side the Nationals can do it this year. In the years to come, who really knows?

          • It’s the same balancing act every team does: you need to think beyond just the current season. In a perfect world every team is trying to win the World Series every year. As a GM/Manager/Owner you have to realize that if we want to be contenders for more than just this year we have to make some sacrifices this season.

            • Get Phelps Up says:

              I agree and think they just didn’t think they were good enough to contend this year. I get that they haven’t been in the playoffs for a long time, but this Nats team has a chance to be good for a while. Shut down Strasburg and go with a still very strong top 3 of Gio/Zimmermann/EJax this year.

            • Rocky Road Redemption says:

              Yeah, but the Nationals are really good this year; this might be their best shot. Innings limit, maybe. Resting him until the playoffs, all right. But shutting him down? When you’re so good? When you have such a great shot?

    • DERP says:

      Not silly at all. I’d probably send down Nova instead of Joba though.

    • Anthony says:

      I was wondering that myself. Has Nova ever thrown out of the pen? I honestly don’t remember. It might do him some good. Freddy seems to have turned things around since april.

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:

      I actually am really into this idea, but they’ll never do it.

    • Allie says:

      I like it! From your keyboard to Joe’s ear.

      And god, I miss Andy. :( <3

  261. Tom says:

    Derek Lowe in a 3 run game…. apparently we have entered the Girardi give up zone.

  262. Cy Pettitte says:

    these games are becoming unwatchable.

  263. Mick taylor says:

    Please cashman dfa jones. I cannot believe there is not abetter outfielder out there you can pick up . I’d rather have Johnny Damon back. At least he might find a way to win a game with a clutch hit.

  264. Hummingbird S. says:

    a sinkerballer is only useful when you have some infield D.. they clearly do not

  265. Erica says:

    Why are we loading the bases for Konerko?

  266. Widget says:

    walk the bases to face Konerko. Yeah this will end well.

  267. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    lolololol they just walked Adam Dunn to pitch to Paulie with the bases loaded.

  268. DERP says:

    OMG walking Dunn to get to Konero and Rios. LOLOOLOLOLOL at Girardi that will never work. What a dummy!

  269. Hummingbird S. says:

    heckuva inning by Lowe.. with a better D he doesn’t allow baserunners there

  270. Karl Krawfid says:

    Lowe needs to start instead of Nova

  271. The Real Greg says:

    Apologize to Giradi please. He never gets any credit on here.

    • Cy Pettitte says:

      who cares what Girardi did? this game means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

      • The Real Greg says:

        Because Girardi gets too much grief on here when he has a ring and has done a good job managing. I hate heaping hatred on other people unless it is deserved.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          Having a ring doesn’t mean he makes all good decisions. There is nothing wrong with questioning a debatable move. It’s talking baseball, which you said you are here for.

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          Since this game means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING then we’re giving Girardi credit for managing essentially a Spring Training game. Makes no sense.

      • Tom says:


        The beauty is tomorrow’s game will also mean nothing if they lose today as the series will have already been lost.

        It’s just like when the Yankees win the first 2 or 3 of a series and the final game means nothing because they already have won the series.

        • Rocky Road Redemption says:

          If you think about, no game means anything.

          -If you lose game 1 of a series it means nothing because there are two to 3 more games to make up afterward.

          -If you lose game 1 but win game 2 it means nothing because now you’ve just neutralized the game 1 loss.

          -Game 3 means nothing because the series has already been either won or lost.

          Thus, by what I call the Greg theory of baseball wins the Yankees have no wins and no losses. You’re welcome.

          • Tom says:

            Yeah, I was being sarcastic (I think you got it, but am not certain)

            I’m just curious to see everyone who treats the last game of a series as “gravy” when the series has been won will view a lost series the same way.

    • Big Members Only (formerly RI$P FTW) says:

      Worst reverse troll ever.

  272. Kramerica Industries says:

    Washington has a seven game lead in the East, and a 10-4 record against the Braves.

    Such an impressive team this year. I had an aggressive 94 win prediction for them this season – they’re gonna blow right past that.

  273. Erica says:

    I hate, though I can see what’s going on with my own eyes, when Michael Kay still gets me all hyped for something good to happen.

  274. The Troll says:

    So, from what I understand, Greg treats the game threads as a social networking / dating site . . . Well, Greg, just in case you’re interested, I’m a Scorpio. I have blue/gray eyes. I enjoy cooking in the buff, talking to my stuffed parakeets, killing hobos, and, OH, I LOVE PIZZA!

  275. Hummingbird S. says:

    and just like last night, the team gives up and goes down without a fight..

  276. Andruw Jones says:

    I banged Mick taylor’s wife.

  277. TomH says:

    Poor Eddie Nunez: single, steals second, steals third, gets picked off third.

  278. Erica says:

    This is annoying.

  279. Erica says:

    Apparently Sterling just confused Swisher and Ichiro. Please confirm, radio folk…

  280. Anthony says:

    Another triple tonight? Jeez.

    With Sale vs. Hughes tomorrow night is it safe to assume we’re going to get swept?

    The Yanks take 3/4 from the Rangers and the WSox get swept by KC. Who do you have winning a matchup between the Yanks and Wox? The Sox, naturally!

    Baseball, man. Always keeps you guessing.

  281. Mike N says:

    Let’s get to the top of the ninth with no more runs, please.

  282. Cy Pettitte says:

    Dewayne Wise’s DFA turned the season around

  283. The Troll says:

    Sucks to continuously see myself proven right about Wise . . . How could I be smarter than the big wigs? I don’t get it.

  284. Mike N says:

    Chavez for POTG!

  285. Erica says:

    Chavez, you work that walk. YOU WORK THAT WALK.

  286. Mike N says:

    C’mon, Jeet!

  287. Chilango says:

    Another ugly loss. This shit is getting old.

  288. Mike N says:

    Goodnight, peeps!

  289. Anthony says:

    I dunno whats more pathetic….this series or those fireworks. Its okay… we will clobber Cleveland.

  290. Erica says:

    Le sigh. Onto the next game!

  291. Tom says:

    I know the game has changed, but I miss the time when if you didn’t represent the tying run (or go ahead run) in the 9th, you would take a strike in the 9th inning.

  292. RetroRob says:

    Okay, so when’s A-Rod and Andy back?

    Back tomorrow for more fun.

  293. The Real Greg says:

    So, pistol pete, stuart a, Hummingbird, Chilango, Big Member and Mick Taylor.

    People are just brigning over the top negativity to this forum.

  294. The Real Greg says:

    And there goes Wallace Matthews again. What an asshole.

  295. stuart a says:

    why be negative after all the yanks have comeback exactly zero times while trailing after 8 innings.

    they had another pitcher on the ropes in the first and did not get the big hit for the 4 millionth time.

    2 solo jacks is about it for the yanks….

    they need to put phelps in the pen and nova or freddy need to get our of the rotation. Nova is a mental case……………

  296. Big Members Only (formerly RI$P FTW) says:

    Nova = LOL!

  297. Chilango says:

    Things will change when CC and Andy come back, when Grandy and Cano start hitting again, and when the law of averages gets it right and takes care of the RISPFAIL mystery. Hopefully this will all happen in 2012.

  298. stuart a says:

    Cano still on the team? He is taking over the least prodcutive rbi role since Arod is out.

    Cano’s plate discipline is a masterpiece….

  299. stuart a says:

    arod sucks but he is better then Casey Mcgehee…

    hey let’s give Cano a 7 year extension after all he is great.. 305 with 68 rbis. he is a all time great just ask his delusional fandom. the guy has plate discipline of Manny Sanguillen…

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