Reports: Dodgers inquired about Sabathia and Teixeira

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Via Joel Sherman, the Dodgers called the Yankees about the availability of both CC Sabathia and Mark Teixeira prior to swinging their nine-player blockbuster with the Red Sox. The Bombers told them they have no interest in moving either player. Both Sabathia and Teixeira have four years and $90M+ left on their contracts after the season as well as full no-trade clauses.

It’s well-known that the Yankees want to get under the $189M luxury tax threshold in 2014, so moving even one of those two contracts would have been a huge financial help moving forward. Of course, it also would have weakening a division-leading club with World Series aspirations immensely. Moving Sabathia would have been foolish, Teixeira less so. Sherman also notes that the Dodgers didn’t appear to have any interest in Alex Rodriguez, who is still owed $114M from 2013-2017. That’s one contract the Yankees aren’t shedding.

Thoughts following last night's extra-innings loss
More thoughts on the Boston fire sale
  • Robinson Tilapia

    …and Brian Cashman laughed all the way on the drive home.

  • JW

    Moving Tex would have been worth it if the Dodgers agreed to take A-Rod and his remaining salary, a la their deal with the Red Sox. That said, Teixeira made it very clear that he wouldn’t agree to a trade, so the whole thing’s just a pipe dream anyway. Nice fantasy, though.

    • KeithK

      Leaving aside the no-trade thing, maybe you would (in fantasy land) consider trading Tex and A-Rod to clear salary in the off-season. Off-season when you could potentially figure out how to fill those massive holes. But during the season? That kind of dump only makes sense for a team that has conceded this season.

      It’s all fantasy land anyway. I’m actually a little surprised that the Dodgers would even bother to inquire about Sabathia and Texeira. Due dilligence I guess. Maybe they called the Reds to ask about Votto too.

    • Laz

      I realize Teix is on the downward slope of his career, but who would replace him. Chavez is only a platoon player, or you could put swish there and watch ibanez or jones strut their stuff everyday in the outfield and watch the other one DH. There is no quality 1B this offseason, so they would ship teix out for salary relief but would probably have to then ship out prospects for a replacement 1B this offseason. Also who do you think will play 3B for the Yankees. That would alro require them to ship out prospects to find an everyday player.

  • ClayDavis

    Making the whole $189 million dollar threshold conversation much more interesting. If the Dodgers are willing to spend without hesitation, it may make it more difficult for the organization to justify payroll limits.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

    Cashman- “Ok, great, in return I want at least Kemp and two top prospects, or Kemp and Kershaw. What? Wait, you just want us to give you players on a salary du- you realize we’re in first place right?”

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

    Anybody that seriously wanted this trade either doesn’t realize or doesn’t care that we absolutely and unequivelently wouldn’t have made the playoffs for at least this year (and possibly next) and games would become absolutely painful to watch for the rest of the season. For the next two weeks while Tex is out, imagine every time CC pitched Nova or Warren or Lowe would be pitching as well as the line up we would have.

    • RetroRob

      Exactly. Yankee fans focused on the Yankees bank account and wea

      • RetroRob

        Twitchy finger.

        Yankee fans focused on the Yankees bank account instead of what’s happening on the field.

        As I said before, the Yankees can easily shed lots of money in the next year, while also becoming what the Red Sox are right now. A second-division club.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Incredibly well said, Rob.

  • BK2ATL

    Crazy how Joel Sherman continues to get these scoops before anyone else.

    Glad Cashman didn’t bite on either. We finally have a true ace in CC to anchor the rotation, after many years of patchwork rotations. He’s done nothing but prove his value since he’s signed.

    Tex is the classic power 1B, but a defensive anchor as well. Not sure how easy it would be to comparatively replace that package, simply for the salary shedding.

    Would have been the deal of the century if they could’ve gotten them to bite on A-Rod and that contract, but it truly is “untradeable.” Not Cashman’s fault, but sucks to be dealing from that position.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      “Crazy how Joel Sherman continues to get the scoop before anyone else.”

      The thing that separates a good sports journalist from a great sports journalist is contacts and sources. You can be the best writer in the history of sports journalism, but if you can’t convince people in the front office to trust you to release stories in a certain time frame, and with a certain wording, with out even giving a hint as to who the source is you’re not going to go anywhere.

      • BK2ATL

        Very true.

        Sherman’s had a great year covering this team. From this story to the $189 million 2014 budget story, EVERY NY Yankees’ journalist has been trailing whatever he breaks. There have been a few other stories as well.

        Gotta give him his propers.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      It doesn’t matter if Cashman would have bitten or not. 3 No-trades. I can’t see any of them wanting to leave.

      • BK2ATL

        Oh, I agree. Just putting it out there.

  • Chris

    The real question is would you trade CC if they agreed to take A-Rod?

    • 28 this year

      I would in the offseason if Hamels was available. Sign Hamels to replace CC and maybe get another starter like Greinke and/or Kuroda and the rotation would still be awesome and no A-Rod contract. Finding another 3rd baseman though will be difficult. If only Chavez could play every day…

      •!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

        Hamels is already signed.

    • Rich in NJ

      Yes, if they are seriously going remain at $189m for several years, but I want top prospects back.

    • Monty

      I’d buy the plane tickets myself

    • jjyank

      No. What would our rotation be going forward? I think CC is a bigger benefit to this team than A-Rod is a detriment.

      • Ed

        Exactly. A-Rod is massively overpaid, but he’s still an above average player.

        • Rich in NJ

          If only he could stay on the field.

          • gc

            Yeah. Getting hit by a pitch on the hand really sucks.

            • Rich in NJ

              You aren’t seriously suggesting that playing 104 games in 2008, 78 games in 2009, 74 games in 2010, 67 games in 2011 was some fluke?


              • Rich in NJ

                I messed that up, but the point still stands:

                138 games in 2008
                124 games in 2009
                137 games in 2010
                99 games in 2011

                This is a player who hadn’t played less than 148 games since 2000.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  It’s possible that even had he not been hit on the hand, another injury would have kept him to ~110 games.

                  But getting hit on the hand is absolutely a flukey injury.

                  • Rich in NJ

                    Of course, and if that was his only injury in recent years, we would probably only be talking about his pursuit of the HR record.

                • JonS

                  And what you just posted means the wheels may be coming off.

    • BK2ATL

      Hell no!!!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Absolutely no way.

    • thenamestsam

      In the offseason: Absolutely, 100% yes. I think anyone who says no is speaking with their heart and not their head.

      I love CC. Absolutely love him. But it’s not like he’s on some steal of a contract. He’s a guy who’s basically paid what he’s worth. There’s value in that because it’s not like there’s enough #1 guys to go around, but it’s still only moderate value. ARod we all know is still a valuable piece, but tremendously overpaid. That clears $50M of longterm space. That should be more than enough to replace Sabathia and ARod’s production in the short term without putting themselves in as bad a spot longterm as they’re in now with ARod’s deal.

      They would only have to give out better contracts on average than CC’s deal and ARod’s deal in FA to come out ahead. Given that CC’s is only a mild bargain and ARod’s is mindblowingly bad, that shouldn’t be too hard.

      On the other hand, I wouldn’t have done it last week. If it means forfeiting a year of contention I’m much less interested.

  • Jake

    I would’ve dumped Tex. His numbers continue to decline, year after year.

    • CC Burnett

      He’s got a full NTC. Also that weakens a 2012 team that wants to win the World Series. Planning for the future is one thing but how many more Ace years does CC have left or .320 seasons does Jeter have? I’d rather be best prepared to win now.

  • Rich in NJ

    If the Yankees truly want to get under the $189m threshold (and stay there), it’s going to take guts and outside the box thinking by ownership, since Cashman (or any GM) merely implements their business plan.

    I don’t think they have the resolve to do that, so they will probably muddle along hoping that their existing players with big contracts perform up to their prior ability even at ages when many players decline, often precipitously, and some of their mL assets: reach their potential fairly quickly, fully recovery from injuries, and/or are traded for cheap young assets with upside.

    I can only hope that they won’t add to the problem by re-signing Granderson, and they should be very careful about giving Cano a 9 or 10 year deal.

    • LiterallyFigurative

      With Cano, I’d draw the line at 6 years. I know it’s a long time, but I’d bank on the fact he’s a lifelong Yankee, like Jeter, as opposed to a player who is coming into New York.

  • Austin Matherne

    If the Dodgers had offered to take Tex and A-Rod, you’d have to accept that deal. It would’ve made this season more difficult, but it would’ve given us so much more flexibility going forward.

    • OMG! Bagels!

      Except both have NTC and neither is going anywhere.

      • Rich in NJ

        Players with NTC in their contracts have been traded before.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          No one’s saying they can’t be. The road is just harder.

        •!/Clay_Bellinger Clay Bellinger

          Such as Carl Crawford.

          • Josh

            He had a partial no trade, IIRC CC, Tex, and A-Rod all have full NTC.

            • Ed

              He did, but it blocked the Dodgers.

        • Bo Knows

          The player has to give his consent, Tex, CC and Arod all love NY they aren’t going anywhere unless they want to, which chances are they would have said “No” to being traded

  • dkidd

    the red sox ownership looked at their roster in light of the new CBA and drug testing policies and decided it was worth a near-term hit to get younger and regain payroll flexibility. it’s apples and oranges, as the 2012 Yankees are (more or less) meeting expectations, but our ownership group doesn’t strike me as short-sighted. moving forward, i expect the yankees to act less like the dodgers (buy everyone!!!) and more like the sox (try to get younger and leaner even if it hurts playoff chances in 2013-2015). i think cano ends up elsewhere

    • TomH

      The Yankees aren’t letting Cano go if they can help it. They would become laughing stocks if they did.

  • UncleArgyle

    Too bad Cashman seize the opportunity to dump Texeria. Nice little player, but grossly over paid now, and will be a total albatross by the end of that awful 8 year deal. Texeira has always consistantly done three things: Hit homeruns, play strong defense, stay healthy. Now at 32 and past his athletic prime the “stay healthy” part seems to be fading. The team could have simply moved Chavez to first when A-Rod comes back and the team would have been no worse for wear. Ah well.

    • gc

      So your solution to a first baseman you deem to now have problems staying healthy is to put Eric Chavez in his place???

      • UncleArgyle

        Well for September/October. You could find a fulltime alternative in the offseason. Such as say….Nick Swisher….And I’m not saying trade Tex cause he’s injury prone. I’m saying they should have traded Tex cause he’s underperforming his contract.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Then who replaces Swisher?

    • TomH

      These “overpaid” comments by all of us who play at GM’ing are becoming laughable. Hell, they’re ALL OVERPAID, AL and NL, for decades. The winner is the team that can afford the most overpayment and give the finger to MLB’s playing-field-leveling policies.

  • Mister D

    Should of done it. Sabathia is showing signs of breaking down and we could just sign Jorge Vazquez to replace Teixeira.

  • tommydee2000

    Question of the day, if no onw has asked: would you give them CC, if they took ARod and the contract.

    • TomH

      Of course not.

    • Chris

      Depends on what you get back. As we discussed earlier….

    • Jim Is Bored

      Must have been difficult to read ~30 comments to see where this was asked.

  • http://riveraveblues Dennis v

    Why do the Yankees have to overpay everyone and handout NTC’s?

  • http://riveraveblues Dennis v

    Why do the Yankees have to overpay and give NTC to everyone?

  • http://riveraveblues Dennis v

    Cashman’s not doing his job if he doesn’t explore the opportunity to get rid of all hundred and $14 million worth of payroll