Game 147: The Return of Andy Pettitte


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Mother Nature threw a wrench into things last night, but Andy Pettitte will finally get back on the mound for the Yankees this afternoon. The team went just 37-35 during his absence, and it’s probably not an accident that the second half slide began not long after Pettitte got hurt. He was pitching like a bonafide ace, and you can’t replace that kind of performance. Here’s the starting nine…

LF Ichiro Suzuki
1B Nick Swisher
2B Robinson Cano
DH Alex Rodriguez
CF Curtis Granderson
Russell Martin
3B Eric Chavez
RF Raul Ibanez
SS Eduardo Nunez

LHP Andy Pettitte

This afternoon’s game is scheduled to start a little after 1pm ET and can be seen on YES. Enjoy.

Derek Jeter Update: Prior to the game, Joe Girardi said his plan is to have Jeter (ankle) play shortstop in the second game of the doubleheader. That is subject to change depending how he feels during pre-game workouts, of course.

Brett Gardner Update: Girardi also said that as of right now, there are no plans to activate Gardner (elbow). He’d be limited to pinch-running and late-inning defense roles anyway.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. jjyank says:

    Guess who’s not at work today? THIS guy. Reward me, Andy.

  2. Preston says:

    That’s a pretty ugly line-up. I’d almost rather lead off Nunez than Ichiro.

  3. AT Evans says:

    A-Rod gets a lot of flack (mainly due to the amt of $$ he makes, probably)- but he has been a very productive Yankee third baseman. I think he deserves a little more credit; especially in recent years.

    He has played a VERY good, I daresay great third base since moving from SS. Yes, ARod was a bit conceited early on, and he probably deserved to be (Hey, Mohammed Ali said he was the best that ever was all the time.. and millions of people love him!).

    What impresses me about Arod nowadays, is that he has definitely toned his self-righteous attitude down, and he has been improving as a “team mate”. In addition, he has been more relaxed and more clutch over the last few years.

    I’m glad he is a Yankee, and there are prob only 2 or 3 better 3rd baseman in the league.. and they are in their 20′s.

    • jjyank says:

      I generally agree with this. I think A-Rod’s image kind of got tarnished earlier in his career for being arrogant and doing things like those ridiculous magazine poses. But in the last few years, he has really become an excellent team mate. He mentors the younger guys and invites them to workout with him in the offseason. I also remember watching MLBN’s “30 Clubs in 30 Days” thing before the season started, where they did behind the scenes stuff at each team’ spring training complex. Towards the end of the Yankees’ episode, they did a segment that showed A-Rod conducting his own drills with Cano and Nunez. It was after camped had ended for the day, and A-Rod stayed late to run situational hitting drills with Cano and Nunez. A-Rod didn’t even participate, he just instructed. He would toss balls to those two to hit just after calling out a situation. “Runners on the corners, 1 out” *toss*. That sort of thing. It was pretty cool.

      Plus, he’s one of the hardest workers in the league. Nobody can fault him for not giving it his all, and I respect that immensely.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Centaurs dude… centaurs

    • OldYanksFan says:

      We shouldn’t forget that a few years ago, the Yankees invited a young boy dying of Cancer to the ballpark. ARod took the kid home to his condo/apt, spent the day with the kid, and had him sleep over.

      Not many players go that far.

    • Rivera Venue Blues says:

      Agree with nearly everything. But Longoria, Beltre, Miguel Cabrera, David Wright, Aramis Ramirez, Ryan Zimmerman, Chase Headley, etc. makes A-Rod “merely” top 10 3b material. But I’m very happy with how he plays and is certainly very productive whenever he plays.

    • Preston says:

      A-Rod has really grown on me. I think he takes an undeserved amount of abuse. The Ali comparison is apt. A lot of people really didn’t like him at the time. He’s a guy that sports fans look at with Rose colored glasses. He was reviled by a lot of people for his arrogance, Islam, racism, opposition to Vietnam etc. I think in 20 years people will look at A-Rod more favorably then they do now.

  4. JM says:

    Yankee Killer Jeff Mathis is batting 5th…yes 5th lol

  5. VaYankeeFan says:

    I’m not really excited about the day game lineup? Do the Yankees realize that ALL games are MUST games now!?

  6. I know the line up isn’t a huge deal after the first time through, but I personally would rather Nunez get 5 ABs and Ichiro 3 or 4.

  7. Joe says:

    Senior year is the best. Getting out at 12:30 makes sure I will never miss a baseball game.

  8. dkidd says:


    EZ does it!


  9. MannyGeee says:

    Suzyn just refered to Yunels “anti-umm slur on his eye black”. Pretty sure shes not been following the story.

    • Marcy says:

      I’d be SHOCKED if that were true. If you know Suzyn’s story you’d know where she came from and how she would feel about such things and even if she didn’t read about it herself don’t you think the Yanks would have kept her up-to date on all pertinent issues?

  10. The Real Greg says:

    Their lineup is ugly too. They have Vizquel batting 7th

  11. your mom says:

    Fucking Orioles just won’t die.

  12. He’s back…Andy game 1 starter…CC’s fat and garbage…best pitcher evver

    /stuart a meets eddard

  13. jjyank says:

    Well that’s a good a start as any!

  14. The Real Greg says:

    I didn’t like that pitch calling. They didn’t once go outside on Rasmus

  15. Crosetti32 says:

    Okay, here we go! 6 innings of 2-hit ball!!!!

  16. Rich in NJ says:

    Dickerson should be in RF.

  17. your mom says:

    Pettitte’s stretched out right? No pitch limit?

  18. Jedile says:

    Any chance Melky plays in the second game?

  19. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Hello all, and especially hello to those who were in the game thread to the end last night. I fell asleep as the 17th inning ended. So close, I feel ashamed that I didn’t make it. (Even though I live on the West Coast, my excuse is that I have an 8-day old baby that I’ve been tending to.)

  20. jjyank says:

    Well that’s what we get for wishing Nunez was batting lead off. Now steal second!

  21. The Real Greg says:

    Who’s next in line for 1st base?

  22. Joe says:

    Swisher limp hit!

  23. Nice start…now let’s get the run home? I mean if we’re going to do DP and K, I’d really rather it be in that order.

  24. Joe says:


  25. Cy Pettitte says:

    Cano hit with RISP, awesome.

  26. jjyank says:

    That was some excellent small ball there.

  27. MannyGeee says:

    BLOLue Jays.

  28. Wow…Cano’s not even 30 and he’s nearly in the top ten of franchise doubles list. That’s pretty incredible.

  29. Joe says:

    3-0. I’m dreaming.

  30. your mom says:

    Cano’s damn slow.

  31. MannyGeee says:

    Situational hitting clinic being put on by A-Rod there!!!!


  32. Now, can Andy have a shut down inning in like 10 pitches?

  33. your mom says:

    Amazing job getting 3 runs there. I can’t believe it.

  34. your mom says:

    Before the end of the day, Mathis will have a double.

  35. MannyGeee says:

    OK, I am not gonna hop too hard on Andy’s dick here (we’ll be saving that for when Nunie comes up next inning to save our season…)

    but I dont think I trust any pitcher in this club to provide a shutdown inning after putting up some runs as much I as I trust Andy.

  36. jjyank says:

    Dumb poll question, right? Either way it’s 18 innings, and the 18 inning game is played without any rest at all.

  37. RetroRob says:

    I watched every damn inning of that game from the 8th on.

    • your mom says:

      Waste of time?

      • RetroRob says:

        Didn’t end like I wanted. I tuned in around the 8th to catch the end not wanting to actually watch the full game, and ended up seeing ten innings!

        Jesus Montero was one of the players who cost the M’s the game by going 0-8 and seemingly having no ability to hit a RH’d pitcher.

  38. RetroRob says:

    How did Andy look in the first? I was driving and had to rely on Mom and Pop Suzyn and John, which wasn’t helpful.

  39. MannyGeee says:

    reason 3,423,322 that we love Andy Pettitte… game pace baby! he just flings them in there! He’s like the Anti Josh Beckett, in every possible way.

  40. your mom says:

    How the hell is Vizquel still starting?

  41. Kramerica Industries says:

    Well, I’m kinda hoping Andy didn’t catch the recent disease that plagued this team with not being able to get shutdown innings.

  42. Jim Is Bored says:

    Hoping for 4 innings?

  43. your mom says:

    Shut down inning! Took a lot of pitches though.

  44. RetroRob says:

    Anyone else kind of surprised that Girardi matched both Pettitte and Phelps for the double header? Andy’s going four, maybe five innings, which means bullpen. Phelps generally will give around five, which means more bullpen. I’d have thought he’d have Hughes go the second game.

  45. Ro says:

    Andy is pitching quickly. He doesn’t look to be laboring that much. Already at about 40 pitches. Wonder if they’ll stretch it to 75-80 if the pace remains good like this? A lot of 2-2 and 3-2 counts, but they don’t look like the typical 3-2 sweating bullets types of counts. I guess we’ll see how next the inning or two goes, but it’s also pretty cool outside so hopefully they give him the few extra pitches if necessary.

  46. Andy threw a lot of pitches that inning…hopefully we can get him a little bit of a breather here?

  47. your mom says:

    Sunday night football: NE at Baltimore. Who wins???

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      Who cares?

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      The Ravens shouldn’t have motivational issues this time around. They’ll actually try at home against an AFC powerhouse.

      And since the Pats lost Hernandez, Gronk is their only true threat.

      • Reggie C. says:

        Brandon Lloyd says hi. And Wes Welker isn’t going to be written out of this game; I would be shocked if he were for essentially a third consecutive game.

        • JobaWockeeZ says:

          Lloyd’s done nothing so far. He’s got potential but he’s not a threat yet. Nicks and Cruz outproduced his 2 games in an entire quarter each.

          It’s clear BB is moving his offense away from the slot in Welker. Now that Hernandez is out Welker will see targets but it’s clear that his role is less important in NE.

      • MannyGeee says:

        just re-signed Branch, Winslow (no one cares), Welker & Lloyd… all threats. Ironically, the weak link offensively on that team looks to be Brady for the first 3/4 of the game.

  48. CUYanks says:

    Who’s first out of the bullpen if Andy’s done after about 4?

  49. jj, and Pat if you’re around, click on my blog and look at the first entry, I think you’ll both find it amusing.

  50. Kramerica Industries says:

    Rajai Davis is a pain in the ass.

  51. Wil Nieves Number 1 Fan says:

    Watching Ibanez track fly balls makes me so uncomfortable.

  52. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Great D this inning.

  53. Kramerica Industries says:

    What the hell was Swish thinking?

  54. RetroRob says:

    Get better quicker, Tex.

  55. Mandy Stankiewicz says:

    over the radio it sounds like a swish blooper reel

  56. Swish owes Andy and Robby a steak dinner.

  57. Better off Eddard says:

    Same old Andy, pitches around the errors.

  58. Jag says:

    I’m at work so watching on gameday… what the heck did Swisher just do? I didn’t even realize you could make two errors on one play.

  59. Kramerica Industries says:

    And Pettitte picks Swish up.

  60. John and Suzyn love themselves some Ichiro rooster.

  61. Better off Eddard says:

    Ichiro with yet another hit. Who says he can’t hit leadoff?

  62. your mom says:

    And just like that, Ichiro is our new lead-off hitter. . . .

  63. RetroRob says:

    Do not run on Gose. He may have the best OF arm now in the AL.

  64. jjyank says:

    Maybe we should bitch about Ichiro hitting ahead of Nunez every day.

  65. I’m pretty sure that John just makes things up as he goes along. According to him this AB has gone slider, sinker, 4 seamer, sinker, sinker. According to game day it’s been all 2 and 4 seam fastballs.

  66. Kramerica Industries says:

    Back to back K’s for the SP with the worst K/9 rate in the AL.

    Well, that’s always nice.

    • The Real Greg says:

      As the booth has said, I’m surprised that Alvarez doesn’t K’ more. His stuff is definitely K’ worthy. 94-96 mph fastball. 89mph changeup.

      Just because he doesn’t K many doesn’t mean he can’t

  67. your mom says:

    Alvarez might tie his season high in K’s today.

  68. Reggie C. says:

    The Yanks have been hard hit with injuries this second half but didn’t the Jays also fair badly? Jose Bautista out since Mo knows when, it’s been a friggin while, and no Encarnacion. Next season will be interesting to see if someone like Lawrie and Arencibia can really improve and give that lineup actual depth.

    • RetroRob says:

      Jays have been hit very hard. Losing most of their rotation in like a week’s time was unrecoverable for them. The division would have been even tougher if they were at full strength.

  69. Chilango says:

    Just got here. How does Andy look?

  70. MannyGeee says:

    Wish I lived in DC today, would love to go see a straight double header some time in my life. that would be like baseball overload!

  71. Kramerica Industries says:

    Jays are getting base runners, that much is certain.

    Hope Andy has more stranding in him today.

  72. MannyGeee says:

    Omar Vizquel just tied Babe Ruth on the all time hits record… holy shit. mind blown!

  73. Jag says:

    Vizquel just tied Base Ruth for hits, although he had a lot more at-bats to do it in.

  74. Cy Pettitte says:

    Derek Lowe? oh boy.

  75. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Derek Lowe?

  76. Ro says:

    …and it is Derek Lowe warming. They’ll give Andy another inning, I believe.

  77. RetroRob says:

    Bring him back out, even for a batter. Part of lengthening includes getting up and down for innings.

  78. Kramerica Industries says:

    Well, that could’ve been worse.

    Some extra runs would make watching Lowe a bit more palatable.

  79. MannyGeee says:

    ground ball to Nunez… I always wondered what 30,000 people collectively holding their breath sounded like

  80. Better off Eddard says:

    They need to let Andy go 5 and get the W. Joe will let him.

  81. jjyank says:

    Whoa, Robbie is one 40+ double season away from tying Lou Gherig as the only other Yankee do it? That’s kind of nuts.

  82. MannyGeee says:

    yuck. BABIP gods are not kind

  83. jjyank says:

    One more, Andy. You got this.

  84. Damnit Joe. You better let him try to finish this inning!!!

  85. Ro says:

    Come on Andy!!! 1 more out!!

  86. RetroRob says:

    75 pitches on the dot.

  87. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    That’ll do just fine Andy.

  88. Ro says:

    Fucking brilliant! 75 pitches. 5 Innings. Possible win (we hope).

  89. Better off Eddard says:

    Andy in line for the W. 5 shutout innings in his first game back. There’s no doubt in my mind that I want Andy on the mound in any elimination game.

  90. Okay, now for an offensive explosion so I feel comfortable with Lowe/Epply/Garcia/Warren/Wade coming in.

  91. effthisnoise says:

    wow, just wow Andy

  92. your mom says:

    Quick n easy. Good job Andy.

  93. Kramerica Industries says:

    Andy coaxed the hell out of that extra inning.

    I’ll probably now regret not starting him in fantasy. I was gun-shy with the 65-75 pitch limit of his.

    Can you blame me? I had a start wasted from Scherzer last night – couldn’t afford another short one.

  94. MannyGeee says:


  95. jjyank says:

    Andy Pettitte, I tip my cap to you.

  96. your mom says:

    Ibanez is hitting .146 over the past 3 months. Yuck.

  97. I like Raul, and I think he’s been a net positive…but I seriously don’t remember the last time he got a hit.

    • WhittakerWalt says:

      I was just going to say the same thing. His last big hit has to have been at least a month ago.

      • MannyGeee says:

        for all the shit that Swisher has gotten collectively for his September fade, Ibanez Chavez & Lowe have gotten away with complete flacidity

        • jjyank says:

          A lot of the Swisher stuff has to do with his impending free agency. Yes, I realize all of those guy are free agents too (what’s Lowe’s deal? I’m actually not sure and too lazy to look it up). But Swisher would actually leave a hole in right field, whereas Ibanez , Chavez, and Lowe are pretty replaceable.

  98. jjyank says:

    Ahahaha Kay and Singleton with a chicken and beer joke!

  99. effthisnoise says:

    alright, new drinking game. Every time someone in the booth says, “boy Alvarez has really settled down” shots!!!

  100. Kramerica Industries says:

    Offense has done absolutely nothing since the first inning.

  101. OMG! Bagels! says:

    At work. In meetings. How’d Andy look? Crowd reaction? And today there have been no bagels.


  102. WhittakerWalt says:

    Alvarez has settled down. Yanks going quietly. Bullpen makes me nervous. Some tack-ons would be nice.

  103. Or a quick 1-2-3 inning and cross our fingers…that works too. It makes me really nervous that even if we win this game, and Phelps goes deep in the night cap, at some point Lowe and/or Wade are going to have to pitch an important inning or two.

  104. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    LNOGY’s suck.

  105. Better off Eddard says:

    Is Joe gonna burn through every reliever in 3 innings so we have no one left for tonight?

  106. Kramerica Industries says:

    Always gotta love when the LOOGY doesn’t retire the lefty.

    And now the frequent trips to the mound follow.

  107. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Derek Lowe in the 6th inning of a 3-run game?

  108. JLC 776 says:

    Hey, Lowe got an out!

  109. Stratman9652 says:

    I think Joe does a fine job managing right up until September 1st, then he becomes infuriating.

  110. jjyank says:

    There is a small faction of baseball fans (typically the older guys) who pine for the days that double headers were a regular part of the schedule. This is why I am not in that faction. The bullpen management is going to be annoying as hell all day.

  111. CUYanks says:

    Maybe the Yankees can blow the game up next weekend and Lowe can record one of his patented 4-inning saves.

  112. Jim Is Bored says:


  113. Kramerica Industries says:

    Three flyball outs for Derek Lowe.

    Hey, whatever works.

  114. RetroRob says:

    Nice inning from Lowe, although a groundball pitcher getting three flyball outs may be a warning sign.

  115. Jag says:

    Nice inning Lowe, keep it up.

  116. Luisergi says:

    DEREK LOWE!?????? OUTS, REALLY????

  117. MannyGeee says:

    I would run the wheels off Lowe today… especially if hes going to be the roster casualty for when Gardner comes back..

    (sidebar, Casey Mcgehee completely approves of this message)

  118. RetroRob says:

    Cash actually said he hopes he’s back the end of next week.

  119. Havok9120 says:

    I thought he put more on that swing.

  120. JLC 776 says:

    This is really one of those games where I’d like to see the offense get a few scratch runs in the later innings.

  121. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Well, Alvarez has really settled — *drinks shot* … *burp*

  122. effthisnoise says:

    a whole half inning dedicated to Alvarez….im effing wasted

  123. I really don’t understand Joe’s logic here. He puts Lowe in, Lowe gets 3 quick outs, but now he’s going to go to Jo-Ro-So anyway? I mean don’t get me wrong, the less time Lowe spends on the mound, the better, but if we use all of Joba, Robertson, and Soriano this afternoon then our late inning guys in the night cap are Epply, Wade, and Logan…

  124. JLC 776 says:

    This would be a great time for ARod to let the bullpen relax a bit.

  125. Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

    Wait, isn’t the reason that teams score more in the first inning obvious? They have their best hitters batting then. The commentators are making it sound like it’s all about starting pitcher mentality and preparation without mentioning that very obvious factor.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      Wait you mean announcers tried to explain something without actually reaching the proper conclusion? No!

      • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

        I wonder if Leiter went his whole career actually believing that the reason he was having more trouble in the first inning was due to his preparation, constantly tweaking his routine as a result, never realizing that he was facing better batters usually in that inning. That would be kind of sad if so. Hopefully this was just commentators saying some silly things rather than actually having believed it their whole careers.

  126. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Nice fucking job ARod. Create 2 outs without swinging the bat.

    • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

      Arod struck out and stepped in front of the catcher, who threw into center field with Cano going. Cano made it to 3rd before being informed that he was out due to Arod’s interference.

  127. Stratman9652 says:

    Bullshit. You made a shitty throw, deal with it.

  128. RetroRob says:

    Well that whole sequence sucked.

    I don’t think he purposely tried to block him (not that it matters because he did), but he was taking a step toward first because he was trying to convince the ump is was ball four.

  129. The Real Greg says:

    Never really liked that rule. Like the helmet to helmet rule in football, it is mostly about intention and time of placement.

    • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

      Why should it be about intention? If you prevent the catcher from making a throw, it shouldn’t matter whether it was on purpose. What do you want to happen? The runner is safe?

  130. effthisnoise says:

    and that called strike looked outside

  131. Better off Eddard says:

    Joe’s gonna use everyone. Susan said Lowe was just getting warmed up and that sinkerballers need tired arms. Why not leave him in?

  132. The Real Greg says:

    That looked like it was off the end of the bat.

  133. Kramerica Industries says:

    Hoo boy.

  134. JLC 776 says:

    What a shitty swing of luck… and lay-off A-Rod; kind of a freak play.

  135. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Wow! Great play, Chavez!

  136. effthisnoise says:


  137. Joe says:

    I went away from the computer. I love Pettitte.

  138. effthisnoise says:

    Damn Joe, I get the Bullpen is rested after 2 days off, but lets not use the whole pen with another game today

  139. Kramerica Industries says:

    I feel like this was a completely unnecessary move.

  140. Pat D says:

    I had the sound off. Why were they just talking about Bobby Richardson?

  141. B-Rando says:

    I get the whole win this game and deal with it later philosophy, but Girardi is REALLY buying into that with this one.

  142. RetroRob says:

    Joe is aware there’s a second game, yes?

  143. effthisnoise says:

    Rasmus looks like a 70′s porn star

  144. Joe’s really banking on a blow out in the night cap…

  145. Defensive Indifference says:

    Joe does know there is another game today, right?

  146. JLC 776 says:

    I don’t disagree with Joe at all for the bullpen management – game tonight or not, take the win that’s in front of us.

  147. jjyank says:

    Cookies for you, Boone.


  148. your mom says:

    And that’s his season high in K’s. Probably increased his K total by 10% too.

  149. Kramerica Industries says:

    Hopefully DRob and Soriano finish this easily.

    This has been a pretty dismal performance by the Yankees offense ever since the first.

  150. your mom says:

    What happened to the offense? Hope this doesn’t carry over to the night game.

  151. The Real Greg says:

    I don’t know why everybody is whining about Alvarez’s K’s. In his first year his K rate was 5.7/9 in fewer starts.

    And his stuff is clearly good for strikeouts.

    • Kramerica Industries says:

      5.7 ain’t exactly stellar either.

    • Pasta Stumbling Sojo says:

      Isn’t 7 K’s in 7 innings bad against a pitcher who previously had 62 K’s in 168 IP this year and had a 5.7K/9 rate in his first year? I’m not complaining too much about the offense, and it’s hard to pick apart what happens in a single game, but those K’s are not great.

  152. JLC 776 says:

    This offense is maddening. The bullpen shouldn’t even be a factor in a game against Henderson Alvarez.

  153. Kramerica Industries says:


    Hope DRob can maneuver that without too much difficulty.

  154. MikeD says:

    Let’s use all our pitchers. I’m sure hughes will throw a complete game tonight.

  155. The Real Greg says:

    Throw the curveball David.

  156. Rainbow Pinstripes says:

    Every time I watch D-Rob throw a pitch… “Throw a curveball, asshole.” …It never seems to work.

  157. Kramerica Industries says:

    Not a stellar start to this inning, Dave.


  158. your mom says:

    Fucking DRob. You kidding me?

  159. Chip says:

    Can I get a curveball?

  160. WhittakerWalt says:

    I hate the way Sterling calls foul balls. This last one, he made it sound like a pop-up to the infield.

    “A high pop……………….. fouled third base side.” The pause was so long I thought he was just trying to figure out which infielder was camped under it. Turns out he was just pausing because he wants to make every pitch sound dramatic.

    • TomH says:

      The kind of silly complaint about those announcers that is typical of the board. It’s like a recognition ceremony, where people feel it necessary to slur them in order to prove to other slurrers that “I’m OK You’re OK We’re All OK.”

      Of course he’s trying to dramatize it. More accurately, he’s trying to do what radio announcers have been doing for generations: give you a sense of how the game looks as it unfolds. Necessarily, this is how it looks to a perceiver. Sometimes they get things wrong–as you would and the others in the recognition ceremony–because it’s very hard to call a radio game. TV broadcasting is comparatively a breeze because people can see what’s happening.

      The great strength, though, of the Yankees’ radio team is that they don’t bore us with statistics on top of statistics for the sake of demonstrating statistics. Now that would be boring.

  161. RetroRob says:

    A change up? Don’t throw a change up, Dave.

  162. DRob get’s out of this w/o a run scoring, but throws 30 pitches.

  163. The Real Greg says:

    And people might say “score more than 3 runs”. At this stage of the game, 3 runs should be enough.

  164. effthisnoise says:

    and this is why you cant run through your bullpen with the matchups, especially when pitchers were effective. Now you have D Rob threatening to blow the game and no one to go to

  165. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    How about a fucking curveball?

  166. your mom says:

    How about some fucking curveballs???

  167. JLC 776 says:

    Well, this isn’t inspiring…

  168. Better off Eddard says:

    Get out of this for Christ sake. Joe burned through every reliever in that bullpen and now might not even get the W. Jesus Christ.

  169. B-Rando says:

    WTF is with the constant stream of fastballs Robertson? This is infuriating.

    • RetroRob says:

      Don’t know. His fastball also is down a few miles.

      • B-Rando says:

        I think thats because he’s just throwing cutters almost continuously.

        • RetroRob says:

          If those are cutters then he needs to trash it. He’s a guy that’s made it as a fastball, curveball. He got beat on a changeup before, as he did in Boston. Seems like he wants to throw anything but what made him good, which makes me wonder of there’s some injury here. If not, whomever decided to change him should be fired.

          • B-Rando says:

            *No actual basis for this, just speculation*

            I’m wondering if something is going on with the curveball in relation to Robertson’s health. His curveball is so obviously a dominant pitch, theres no way he would just go up there and ignore it (I’d hope). Is throwing the curve causing him some sort of discomfort after a long couple seasons?

            Idk, food for thought.

            • RetroRob says:

              Whenever a pitcher makes substantial changes (at least one that was successful), it’s usual a sign something physically is bothering him. Hasn’t been the same since he went on the DL. I thought originally he might have been trying to pull a Mo and was experimenting with the cutter to be more efficient. Rivera did just that, basically putting away what was his most effective pitch (the four seamer) and replacing it with the cutter. It worked for him, rarely works for others.

              If it’s by design, D-Rob should stop it. My guess, though, is there’s something else going on.

  170. That was low.

    But that might be the call DRob needed to get his head out of his ass.

  171. The Real Greg says:

    DRob got lucky there. That wasn’t even a strike.

  172. Joe says:

    Big K. I want 2011 DRob to show up now.

  173. MannyGeee says:

    is it out of favor to pitch a reliever twice in a day? even if its a DLowe type of guy? if so I get a feeling we’re gonna see a whole lot of Freddy and Wade tonight.

    fucking bummer

  174. FIPster Doofus says:

    Are you shitting me?

  175. Omar Vizquel?

    Are you fucking serious David?

  176. Better off Eddard says:

    Get somebody in there that can throw a breaking ball. Get Soriano in there. Might as well use everyone. Joe Girardi is so horrible at managing baseball.

    • The Real Greg says:

      You’re blaming Girardi for this? Are you nuts?

      • Nick says:

        Not saying Eddard is 100% right…but come on, Joe totally over managed this one (as usual).

        • The Real Greg says:

          Doesn’t matter what he did. He got a 3 run lead to the Eighth inning. That’s all he needed to do. Once he reaches the eighth inning, the game is out of his hands

          • Nick says:

            Yes but he also wasted 4 relievers in the process. There was no need to bring Drob in (unless men were on in the 8th). Just bc Drob is the “8th inning guy” doesnt mean hes needed for EVERY 8th inning. You let Joba finish the 7th, Logan takes the 8th. Logan can get righties out, no need for him to face 1 guy.

            Don’t get me wrong, Drob pitched terribly…but this is on Joe as well.

  177. Wow…are you fucking kidding me D-Rob. If we lose this game w/ the way Joe’s managed we almost definitely get swept through the Double Header.

  178. RetroRob says:

    Was just about to say the one thing Vizquel can probably still do is lay his bat on a fastball.

  179. JLC 776 says:

    We have lost six consecutive series openers…. why would we want to start winning them now?

  180. Tom says:

    Hey let’s throw more fastballs…

    Someone should be pulled from this game (or just the entire pitching battery)

  181. Jag says:

    A double to Omar Vizquel? Seriously? Ugh

  182. Chip says:

    Now he throws a curveball for a strike

  183. Orioles seem to find ways to pull games out of their asses and win.

    This team seems to find ways to pull games out of their asses and lose.

  184. MannyGeee says:

    shame, shoulda kept DLowe

  185. CUYanks says:

    You guys are all ridiculous. Other than Soriano, who else do you want in there?

  186. your mom says:

    DRob trying for loss #8?

  187. Matt says:

    This is why Girardi is a TERRIBLE manager.

    You didn’t have to use every reliable reliever in your bullpen for 1 or 2 outs prior to this point, especially with the night game coming up. Even if a guy pitches to 1 batter in the day game, having to sit down and then warm up again increases the risk of injury if he pitches in both games.

    When you mix and match, you are backing yourself into a corner. Every reliever HAS to be sharp, or you won’t have anyone left to pick them up. Robertson and Soriano aren’t going to be perfect on every night. No relief pitcher is. But now he has nobody to bail him out when he clearly has bad control of his fastball.

    • CUYanks says:

      So you were hoping to have Derek Lowe/Boone Logan available to come in in a high leverage situation to back up Robertson? Or did you want Clay Rapada/Joba in this spot?

      • Matt says:

        The situation was not high leverage until Robertson created his own jam.

        He could have thought ahead, and saved some of his relievers for the night cap. 3-0 lead, one of the worst lineups in all of baseball, unless the pitcher is getting hit hard you leave him in there.

        He could have left Lowe in there to throw 2-3 innings, and had guys warming up if he started to get in trouble. He could have left Joba in there for a few extra batters instead of matching up Logan with 1 batter. Heck, he could have left Logan in to start the 8th given the fact that Lind was leading off and the lefties on the bench were much better than the guys already in the game.

        The bottom line is that Girardi had clear alternatives, and could have thought ahead and kept some of his guys back for a game that might be even closer in the night cap. 3 run lead is not a spot in which you HAVE to use your best relievers, just because it is a “save situation.”

        If the night game is also a close game (don’t give me the BS about playing for today’s game, because this team rarely has a blowout win anymore), he is going to have a really tough time navigating it.

      • Matt says:

        Look. With the two days off, a lot of these guys are not very sharp. You don’t burn through every pitcher just because you can, and back yourself into a situation in which you need every one of them to be sharp.

        I’m not saying you yank Robertson as soon as he gives up a few hits, but once Vizquel doubles then you might have thought about bringing in someone like Joba to back him up. If you didn’t keep mixing and matching, maybe you never ended up in that situation in the first place because you found a guy who was sharp and rode him for a few innings.

    • The Real Greg says:

      Except he does because they have alot of pitchers in the bullpen with the 40 man.

      Get your facts straight if you are going to complain

      • Matt says:

        Wow, you are beyond stupid.

        Is he going to bring in Justin Thomas to bail out Robertson? He won’t touch half the roster unless it’s a blowout.

      • Matt says:

        “Anyone left to pick them up”

        “Reliable reliever”

        Maybe if you would read, you wouldn’t make a fool of yourself every time you comment

  188. Celerino Sanchez says:

    If they had been able to build on the first three batters of the game – this inning would have been moot.

  189. Marcy says:

    Why isn’t he using the curve? It gives him the swing and miss-

  190. One more JUST LIKE THAT.

    On this upcoming batter.

  191. RetroRob says:

    Great. Take him out of the game.

  192. Cy Pettitte says:

    they better win this game because the bullpen will be toast for the night game

  193. Jag says:

    At least the sacrifice is out of the question now… here’s hoping he gets out of this without any further damage.

  194. Joe says:

    Four out save? Banking on a blowout tonight.

  195. Celerino Sanchez says:

    2 hits and 21 outs since Cano’s 1st inning double. That’s a problem right there.

  196. The Angry Troll says:

    I don’t know if I agree with this. Soriano always seems to have trouble with getting the third out of an inning . . .

  197. Celerino Sanchez says:

    Let’s just hope Soriano doesn’t give up one of those bleeders to plate both of these runs.

  198. Gotta hope Sori can finish this.

    Brutal effort from DRob.

  199. your mom says:

    If they take the lead I will vomit.

  200. effthisnoise says:

    I understand that players make the plays and most times you cant put loses on the manager, but I seriously would put 15 loses EACH year since he’s been managing strictly on decisions made by Girardi during the game.

  201. Karl Krawfid says:

    Said it when D-Rob came back, he wasn’t the same.

    Stuff is flat. Command is worse. Not throwing his curve. Throwing more change ups?

    The fuck is wrong with him?

  202. Marcy says:

    Boy, I was really enjoying this game – especially when Andy came out of the game and Mo was there to greet him; I allowed myself to remember the Andy to Mo shake hands, give him the ball, game over.
    Whew – now, what happens tonight?

  203. That was way too close for comfort.

  204. The Real Greg says:

    I don’t understand why everybody is getting on Girardi. He has done nothing wrong in this game. He managed a 3 run lead into the eighth inning which is what you want.

    It’s not his fault that Robertson has become in love with his fastball.

    • your mom says:

      True that. DRob just didn’t show up.

    • Adam says:

      Because that is logical and doesn’t have an easy scape goat.

    • RetroRob says:

      I don’t think most people are getting on Girardi at all about using D-Rob. I’m certainly not. As I noted above, he goes for matchups a little too much. I wouldn’t have made as many moves, but once he got to D-Rob that was fine. He just didn’t have it.

    • Matt says:

      Exactly, you don’t understand.

      You don’t understand how it takes a toll on a player’s body to warm up, sit down, and then warm up again after shutting it down, and especially when it is just a few hours apart.

      With the double header today, Girardi not only backed himself into a corner in today’s game by leaving himself no backup plan in case one of his pitchers was not sharp, but also has impacted the night game by using most of his arms in the day game when there was no need to do so.

      He did not need to use the majority of those relief pitchers. It was a 3-run lead against a terrible offensive club, and the guys he already had in the game were pitching well.

      Unnecessary overmanaging in a game that really wasn’t that close, which loses sight of the big picture and could come back to burn him down the line (as usual).

      • gc says:

        You make it sound like it was 10-0 game at the time. Yet if he lets Lowe stay in the game and he promptly gives up a bloop and a blast, that game that you insist “wasn’t really close” is all the sudden a one run game. Then we all know what happens next…Matt blasts Girardi for leaving Lowe in too long and not going to his well-rested bullpen.

  205. Jag says:

    That walk even if it doesn’t come back to bite him is going to be bad for his pitch counts on the 4 out save. Ugh

  206. effthisnoise says:

    to let this battered lineup even contend right now is embarrassing

  207. waaay to much drama in this game. and who would’ve thought it would be D-Rob and Soriano (and not Lowe and Joba) creating it.

  208. Pat D says:

    Huh. This game got annoying.

  209. Roadgeek Adam says:


  210. Better off Eddard says:

    Joe Girardi so botched this game. He shows no ability to think outside the box. He has to follow his formula and binder. Ichiro bailed him out. Saved Girardi’s ass.

  211. Ichiro nearly gave us all heart attacks.

  212. Cy Pettitte says:

    they tried so hard to blow that

  213. RetroRob says:

    Jesus…and I don’t mean Montero.

  214. Joe says:


  215. CUYanks says:

    I see the closeness of this game as a validation, if anything, for Girardi’s all-in bullpen management.

  216. Mandy Stankiewicz says:


  217. Jag says:

    Thank goodness that wasn’t much much worse… it’d be nice to score some runs now.

  218. VCR1111 says:

    How many insurance runs can the Yankees get? Man, since the 1st inning this offense went to sleep. Score some more runs!

  219. Better off Eddard says:

    Ichiro with 2 hits today in the leadoff spot and the game saving catch. If he isn’t one of Cashman’s greatest midseason trades I don’t know who is.

  220. UpstateYanks says:

    I am sick of Robertson and his fucking fastball/cutter. Must have thrown 3 0-2 pitches right down the middle of the plate. This game is on him if we lose.

    • Celerino Sanchez says:

      Agreed. I’m following the game on Gameday and as soon as I saw that 10 of his first 12 pitches were strikes I thought he wouldn’t make it out of the inning.

    • Celerino Sanchez says:

      Agreed. I’m following the game on Gameday and as soon as I saw that 10 of his first 12 pitches were cutters I thought he wouldn’t make it out of the inning.

  221. RetroRob says:

    A run would be nice.

  222. your mom says:

    Well at least Girardi has the brains to pinch hit here, even if it’s Andruw.

  223. Pat D says:

    Well that was some serious bullshit.

  224. effthisnoise says:

    why is Andrew Jones still in baseball

  225. JLC 776 says:

    Can we go back to bitching about the offense, which is a legitimate gripe for this game, as opposed to Girardi, who has done everything right?

  226. The Angry Troll says:

    Of course! When you want insurance runs you bring in Andruw Jones! BRILLIANT!

  227. Thank god we have Andruw Jones to mash lefty relievers…

  228. More importantly, Raffy threw 12 pitches that inning, and now it’s Rasmus-Lowrie-Lind in the 9th.

  229. Rich in NJ says:

    Jones and Ibanez have served their purpose, but it’s time to move on.


  230. The Angry Troll says:

    Valentine had it wrong. This lineup (of late) is the worst roster ever assembled. Even his down-trodden Sox put up 9 on the Rays.

  231. One team scored 2 runs and forced 2 late inning relievers to throw 30+ pitches in the 8th inning, the other made two outs on 4 pitches…

  232. your mom says:

    Need a hit here.

  233. Celerino Sanchez says:

    Can Swisher get this run in?

  234. JV says:

    The offense only shows up for one inning but is that per game or per day? Could make for a long night…

  235. The Angry Troll says:

    I thought the Yankees OWNED D. Oliver?

  236. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Garbage Time.

  237. JLC 776 says:

    That was rare! Yeah, Swish!!!

  238. Tom says:

    Garbage time!

  239. Rich in NJ says:


  240. Better off Eddard says:

    2 out rally started again by Ichiro. What a great pickup. Cashman, Swisher and Ichiro have bailed out Girardi today.

  241. Jag says:

    That 2nd strike looked like a meatball on gameday.

  242. Celerino Sanchez says:


  243. Jag says:

    Insurance run!

  244. Robbie…I’d love for Soriano it have 4 runs to play with in the top of the 9th.

  245. JLC 776 says:

    That was a subtle example of our BABIP w/ RISP beginning to correct itself.

  246. CUYanks says:

    Just wondering, but how does Omar Vizquel’s bat profile at first base?

  247. effthisnoise says:

    Ichiro a .360 hitter against Romero but you just Know Girardi is gonna play Jones instead tonight because his binder says a Right hander MUST start against a lhp

    • The Real Greg says:

      I bet he plays both.

    • Matt says:

      The irony of course being that LHB hit .300/.391/.424 against Romero this year, and RHB .262/.365/.347, with similar reverse-platoon splits in his entire career because of the changeup he throws.

      Joe Maddon once had all of his switch hitters bat left handed against Romero and they crushed him. Girardi is textbook.

    • Tom says:

      Especially one with reverse splits for his career.

      I’d go Dickerson/Granderson/Ichiro with Swish at 1st.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      Ichiro is 1-9 against Romero this year.
      He may play ahead of Granderson though.

      • Matt says:

        And 8 for 16 in the rest of his career against Romero.

        Since you think that small sample sizes are very indicative, you must now think that Ichiro completely owns Romero?

        • The Real Greg says:

          Well combine the two. 9/25 or .360

          • Matt says:

            Thanks for that really enlightening comment. I couldn’t possibly add such big numbers like 8 and 1, and 16 and 9, and then multiply the numerator and denominator each by 4.

            It’s a tale of two extremes, but neither one is likely the case since they each small sample sizes at different times.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

          Way to be a jackass.

          Ichiro has declined precipitously against LHP this year. It stands to reason that MIGHT apply against Romero as well.
          I didn’t say he shouldn’t play against Romero. I would start him. I’m just pointing out that his success hasn’t carried over to this year. It hasn’t. His previous success may not be indicative of his ability to hit Romero this year. Ichiro is no longer the same player.

          • Matt says:

            Except Romero is a pitcher who has always had trouble getting lefties out because his breaking ball is terrible. A guy’s overall numbers vs. LHP are likely compiled against very different types of pitchers from Romero (most lefties have at least some kind of slider/curve they can use to get out LHB).

            I’m not saying anything about what Ichiro can or cannot do right now. Neither set of numbers is meaningful, because Ichiro is not the same player, but the sample size against Romero this year is also very small. Ichiro is hot right now at the plate, so you can’t necessarily cite his numbers from April or May either.

            • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

              I never said they were meaningful. I merely pointed out the rosy numbers Ichiro has accrued against Romero were largely when he was a different player.

    • Guarantee the line up tonight is this, or some form of this:
      Jeter SS
      Swisher RF
      Cano 2B
      A-Rod DH
      Pearce 1B
      Granderson CF
      McGehee 3B
      Jones LF
      Stewart C

  248. your mom says:

    Put this game away MFIKY so I can go play Madden.

  249. I know I’m being a broken record here, but I still have to say this:

    In a 4-2 game in the 9th inning, YES having a “player of the game” poll, featuring four Yankees no less, is so damn fool-hardy I can’t even begin to describe.

  250. jjyank says:

    Ouch. Glad I wasn’t reading through the comments when that all happened (phone call). These game threads can really turn ugly quickly, eh?

    I have no problem with how Girardi has managed the game. I don’t give a shit that it’s a double header, you can’t hold back superior relievers when the game at hand is winnable. At least not when the Yankees are in the situation they are currently in. As for the middle relief, they were kind of handcuffed by Pettitte’s pitch count there. Win today. Worry about tonight in a few hours. This is almost entirely on D-Rob, not Girardi. I couldn’t even finish reading most of the comments above.

  251. Joe says:

    Big win! Andy pitched amazing!

  252. JLC 776 says:

    Great win! Do it again tonight!

  253. MFIKY

    Untuck that motherfucker.

  254. Roadgeek Adam says:

    41st Save for Soriano.

    Come on blowout tonight.

  255. Adam says:

    Boom. And in the end they won. Perhaps bitching will quell. Also, I think I just saw a pig fly.

  256. your mom says:

    Anybody want him to opt out?

    • jjyank says:

      Yes. I appreciate very much what he’s done for us this year, but I’m pretty sure they Yankees can make the team better with that $14 mil to use elsewhere.

      Disclaimer: I’m not thinking of specific players, just speaking generally.

    • Tom says:

      Yeah, I never understood this – he’s on a 1 year deal effectively, and it doesn’t impact 2014 or pretty much any of the long term decision on the upcoming FA’s

      People around here seem to think reliable relievers are a dime a dozen on the FA market.

  257. Jag says:

    Half game up now, let’s hope after tonight we’re 1 and a half up!

    It was good seeing Andy do well.

  258. WhittakerWalt says:

    Ichiro still doesn’t speak English? Damn.

  259. CUYanks says:

    Career win #244 for Andy.

  260. RetroRob says:

    4-2 win. The only concern was D-Rob’s continual issues and love of his cutter. He’s critical to keep advancing.

  261. Stevis says:

    Robertsons should go to Macys and buy a set of balls

  262. Jose M. Vazquez says:

    I don’t want to get too cocky because we haven’t won anything yet. The way the schedule plays out gives us a chance to have the best record in the AL. All the guys have to do is play to their capabilities. Texas and La and Oakland will kill each other while we can take advantage of it.

  263. Better off Eddard says:

    Well, a win is a win no thanks to Robertson and Joe G. Hopefully Phelps can give us 6-7 tonight so we don’t have to overuse what few relievers we have left. Robertson and Soriano won’t be available and in Robertson’s case that’s a good thing.

  264. King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

    Welp, my bet on Andy getting 300 wins is starting to look a little remote…

    • RetroRob says:

      I think that went down the drain in June 2010 when he got injured and then retired that offseason!

      I’m hoping for 260 or so career regular wins, because that means he comes back next year.

  265. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    You know what Motherfucker?



  266. Rocky Road Redemption says:

    So in the end it was a great job by John Wetteland Rafael Soriano getting the save. That final out of the 8th was HOLY SHIT FUCK DAMN WOW, but he got it.

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