Jeter hurt, Granderson homers twice as Yankees hold off Red Sox

Update: Jeter day-to-day with bone bruise in left ankle
Mapping out the rotation for the rest of the year

The Yankees may be in first and the Red Sox may be in last, but you’d never know it from watching Wednesday’s game. The two clubs played a nail-biter that ended with New York securing a sorely-needed 5-4 win. It felt more like 5-4.9, honestly.

(Jared Wickerham/Getty)

Three Homers And Nothing Else

The Yankees have been waiting for Curtis Granderson to snap out of his three-month long slump for, well, three months, and it seems like he may finally be turning the corner. After going 3-for-3 with a double and a homer off the bench in the series finale down in Baltimore, the Grandyman clubbed a pair of homers against the Sox on Wednesday. The first was a solo homer in the fourth to open the scoring, the second a two-run insurance shot in the seventh. Turns out the Yankees needed every bit of that insurance.

In between the two dingers, Robinson Cano launched a two-run shot over the Monstah to left. That came just two batters after Granderson’s first homer, when the Yankees started to get to Aaron Cook. That was all their scoring though, five runs on three dingers, because New York went 0-for-13 (!) with runners in scoring position. Jayson Nix, Chris Stewart, and Ichiro Suzuki all took 0-for-3s in those situations. The Yankees left a man on second in the third (leadoff double!), a man on third in the fourth, a man on second in the fifth, men on second and third in the sixth, a man on second in the seventh, a man on third in the eighth, and men on first and second in the ninth. That’s insane. Good thing they can hit the ball out of the park, eh?

(Jared Wickerham/Getty)

Hearing Footsteps

David Phelps pitched like a rookie in a pennant race his last two times out, failing to complete five innings in both starts. He rebounded to toss 5.2 innings of one-run ball on Wednesday, striking out five against one walk and five hits. As an added bonus, he retired Pedro Ciriaco all three times he faced him, including a ground ball double play in the sixth. David’s most impressive work came in the fifth, when he pitched around a leadoff triple to escape the inning unscathed (strikeout, pop-up, strikeout). That was a big boy inning.

I thought Phelps did a great job of keeping the Boston hitters off-balance with his curveball, throwing the pitch 20 times out of 93 total pitches (21.5%). He threw it for first-pitch strikes and seemed to bust the hook out in every hitter’s count, and it worked well for him. Thirteen of those 20 curveballs went for strikes, including six swings and misses. With Ivan Nova set to rejoin the rotation this weekend and Andy Pettitte close to returning, you gotta figure Phelps heard those footsteps and wanted to do as much as possible in what was potentially his final start of the season. He stepped up after two dud outings, so good job by him.

(Jared Wickerham/Getty)

Bullpen Machinations

Six relievers to get ten outs. I understand the rosters are expanded and all that, but this is getting very tiresome. Clay Rapada (more on him in a bit) escaped the sixth on a line drive to first, then it took three relievers — Cody Eppley, Boone Logan, and Joba Chamberlain — to navigate the two-run seventh. All three gave up exactly one hit and Logan didn’t retire a batter. David Robertson got the first two outs of the eighth despite his lengthy relief appearance on Tuesday, and his night ended when James Loney doubled to left with two outs. Seriously.

With this game firmly in “holy hell we really need to win” territory, Joe Girardi went to Rafael Soriano for the four-out save. He struck out Cody Ross on a borderline (but correct!) call with a runner on second to end the eighth, and didn’t escape the ninth until he surrendered a solo homer to Jarrod Saltalamacchia and another ball to the warning track. Four of the five hitters Soriano faced in the ninth hit the ball hard, but one stayed in the park and another wound up back in his glove. Mariano Rivera needs to talk to his replacement again, because Rafi threw way too many sliders — 13 compared to just nine fastballs. He got away with a lot of mistakes, but at this point I don’t care how pretty it is. A win is a win.


(AP Photo/Elise Amendola)

Cano’s homer was his 30th of the season, a new career-high. He joins Joe Gordon (1940) and Alfonso Soriano (2002 and 2003) as the only full-time second basemen to hit that many dingers for the Yankees. Granderson’s two homers give him 102 in 1,818 plate appearances as a Yankee, the exact same number of long balls he hit in 2,896 plate appearances as a Tiger. It must be the ballpark.

Jeter (two singles), Granderson (two homers), Nick Swisher (single and two doubles), and Eric Chavez (two doubles, including the 300th of his career) all had multiple hits while Alex Rodriguez (single) and Cano (homer) chipped in one apiece. Stewart and pinch-hitter Andruw Jones drew walks. I was thrilled that Girardi pinch-hit Nix for Raul Ibanez against the left-handed Rich Hill following Chavez’s leadoff double in the sixth … until I saw Nix square around to bunt. He didn’t get it down and the inning ultimately ended when Stewart flew out with men on the corners. No idea how Stewart was allowed to hit there, but whatever I guess.

Rapada retired Loney to end the sixth inning in relief of Phelps, his eighth consecutive appearance of exactly one batter faced. That’s the longest such streak in Yankees history, breaking a tie with 2006 Mike Myers. The last time Rapada faced more than one batter in an outing was August 18th against these same Red Sox.

Jeter left the game after running out his inning-ending double play in the eighth. He hit the bag hard and limped down the line as he slowed down. The Cap’n aggravated the bone bruise in his left ankle that he’s been nursing for a while, but he’s expected to play tomorrow. Losing Jeter for any length of time could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

Box Score, Standings & WPA Graph has the box score and video highlights while ESPN has the updated standings. Nate McLouth and the Orioles walked off against the Rays, so they remain tied with the Yankees atop the AL East. Tampa is three back, and they really need to take Thursday’s game against the O’s to balance this thing out. The magic number for the division dropped down to 21 while the magic number for a wildcard berth is 18.

Source: FanGraphs

Up Next

It’ll be Phil Hughes against Felix Doubront in the rubber game on Thursday night. That one seems to have 20+ total runs potential, but I hope not. I really don’t want to sit through that.

Update: Jeter day-to-day with bone bruise in left ankle
Mapping out the rotation for the rest of the year
  • Kramerica Industries

    To have actually split the first two games, with that 1-25 RISP mark, is quite lucky. Just when I think RISPFAIL can’t get any more impressive, those guys one up themselves.

    Scintillating stuff, if you’re a masochist.

  • Kiko Jones

    Nice win.
    Btw, for a site unapologetic about its numerous and frequent typos, calling out ESPN is a bit much.

    • Mike Axisa

      Yeah I know, I regretted that I soon as I hit publish.

      • Pat D

        Yea, but “homets?” And on a huge site like ESPN? That is hilarious.

      • jesse

        Thought this was sarcasm at first until you actually changed it.

    • RetroRob

      Kiko, RAB is not ESPN. Not that takers like you have any understanding of that, douche.

      I’m sure I just violated some RAB policy, but if the name fits…

      • Robinson Tilapia

        You are some sort of Grandish, Rob.

  • Karl Krawfid

    No Homets…No Wins.

    • Pat D

      Too many Homets!

      • MannyGeee

        unsustainible Homet rate going into October.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          That was some homet by Sam Pearce.

  • Pat D

    I’ll sit through a 20 run game if the final ends up being at least 14-6 in favor of the Yankees. Anything else is too close.

  • Rich in NJ

    These games are excruciating, and not necessarily in a good way.

    Props to Phelps, who really stepped up.

  • Rich in NJ

    I would also prefer to never see Ibanez get another start this (or any )season.

  • Rocky Road Redemption

    Holy shit, if they don’t win tomorrow…

    Hughes, if we’ve ever needed you to put on your big boy diaper, it’s now.

    • your mom

      Seems like every game Hughes pitches is his biggest game ever.

      • Rocky Road Redemption

        Does seem to work out that way, huh?


    Seems like almost every win these days is like pulling teeth. Either way, it was good to see the Grandyman have a big game.

  • Tom

    Nine of the 13 hitless RISP AB’s were by Nix, Stewart (!) and Suzuki.

    I know I was going a bit nuts in the game thread, but while folks can fall on “the hitters didn’t get it done” meme, Girardi had what seems like 50 people on the bench and is not getting the best hitter up in these situations, repeatably.

    Chris Stewart should not have 2 AB’s late with runners in scoring position in a close (2 run) game – yes he failed, but Girardi let his worst option bat in those situations repeatedly and was even bunting with pinch hitters in front of them. There are 2 catchers on the bench for the sole reason of being able to pinch hit or pinch run for the catcher late in the game.

    Same thing with Ichiro late… even if you have to burn two players like say pinch hit a righty like Nunez or McGehee and then put Dickerson in – apparently baseball rules allow you to do this (he could also shift Swisher back to the OF and put in someone at 1B) Girardi seems unwilling to do any “2 for 1” move (burn a PH and a defensive sub for 1 AB). That makes sense with a limited bench and a 25 man roster, but no sense in Sept.

    • Laz

      I would really like to see nunez getting more at bats. I do not agree with jones pinch hitting for chavez. I also don’t like taking out chavez’s bat for nix. Also… Nunez should be at shortstop if possible. Nix is only good for defensive replacement, He is having a career year and that is still mediocre. I don’t want to see Nix starting everyday at short for the next week.

      • UpstateYanks

        You’ll be singing a different tune the minute he air mails a throw in a one run game.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Thank you.

      • Squints

        Agree Nunez needs ABs, why else is he here if not to utilize his speed and a solid bat? He shouldnt be playing the field. Until Jeter got hurt he wouldve been perfect for the 2hole at DH, but with Jeter hurt Joe Binder will put him at DH, Arod 3rd and probably Nix at ss. Nunez should be at least pinch hitting in late spots.

    • Mikhel

      With Jeter injuried I think JoeG will use Derek as DH, ARod at 3B, who despite not being as good fielding and covering ground, is still better than Núñez, Nix, McGeehe, and Chávez, specially with the throws, ARod fires lasers to 1B while Chávez’s throws hang mid-air and curve a bit.

      Regarding 2-for-1 switches, JoeG uses it almost too much for my taste, not because it is something I don’t like, I do like it when it is properly done.

      JoeG should be fined every time he uses Martin or Andruw as pinch hitters.

      Andruw, bats 0.209 vs LHP. 0.167 AVG overall as a PH.

      Martin, bats 0.224 vs LHP, 0.000 AVG overall as a PH.

      Why does he uses Andruw as a PH when he has a better contact hitter in the bench in Núñez? Same thing happened last year when all it was needed in the last playoff game vs Detroit was a fly to tie the game with men on third, and he refused to use Montero.

  • Pat D

    Just saw that the Orioles are 4 games better than the Yankees in divisional play. So finishing ahead of them is imperative.

    • Rocky Road Redemption

      Meh, I’m not too afraid of playing them in Camden Yards if it comes to that. Unless it just means we lose the division outright, because if that’s the case wow that’s asinine.

      • Pat D

        That’s what it would mean.

        • CUYanks

          No, I don’t think so. This year the difference between the WC and the division is more meaningful and so it must be settled on the field. Look at this page for info on tiebreakers.

          • Pat D

            Yea, Need Pitching & Hitting already corrected me. As I said, I blame ESPN for their misleading Hunt for October page.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            I’m rooting for all kinds of ties so the new format blows up in Bud’s face.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I root for getting that ten-game lead back.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      Yankees are 6-3 in Baltimore and 3-6 against Baltimore in NY.
      I’d still rather have home field advantage for that game, but it’s probably not a huge deal.

      Of course I’d much rather they actually start playing well and win the division outright.

      • Pat D

        Yea, this has nothing to do with where the Yankees and Orioles would play each other. It has to do with who wins the division if they finish tied.

        Especially since, as of now, being the wild card would mean going out to Oakland.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          They changed that rule.
          If 2 teams finished tied for the division, they have a one game playoff to decide the division winner (even if both teams are in the playoffs).

          • Rocky Road Redemption

            I really hope so…

            • Need Pitching & Hitting

              Tiebreaker games will be played to determine Division Championships, even if the two tied Clubs are assured of participating in the Postseason. If a Division Championship tiebreaker game is necessary, the head-to-head record between the tied Clubs will determine home-field advantage. If the head-to-head record is tied, then division record will be the next tiebreaker.


              • Pat D

                Well, then, ESPN is misleading me.


                • Laz

                  Did you ever expect ESPN to give reliable baseball knowledge?

                  • Pat D

                    Um…yea? When it’s something as simple as that, for sure.

                    • Mikhel

                      Most of their “talent” nowadays are ex-bosox players who besides Nomar, the rest don’t have a lot of knowledge of baseball rules.

                      I like MLB Network way way waaaay better, specially since Gammons is not their guru there, he went from being the “best analyst” in ESPN to merely being somebody else in MLB Network.

                    • Pat D

                      This is the second time in as many days where I wonder if you’ve actually read what I posted. I wasn’t referring to their on air talent in any way. My post was about a page on their website neglecting to mention that the Orioles and Yankees would need to play a tiebreaker if they finished tied for the division.

                      MLB Network is good for highlights and their countdown shows (sometimes), but their analysts aren’t any better than ESPN’s are. When you have Harold Reynolds and Mitch Williams and Joe Magrane and John Smoltz taking up a lot of air time, you’re kind of a joke.

              • MannyGeee

                so you run the distinct possibility of having to play a 1 game tie breaker to decide division winner, and then another 1 game super eliminator, to win and “start” the playoffs???

                too much drama, reads like a WWE script. OH MY GOD!!!! THATS BUCK SHOWALTERS MUSIC!!!!!!!!

          • Laz

            That will be rough how many 1 game deciders there could be. I really wouldn’t want to face the A’s in a one game playoff. Especially seeing as none of the starters have been overly dominant. They might be able to sneak 3 games in a longer series.

    • Cuso

      So it’s important for them to beat up on Boston and Toronto the rest of the way. Still 14 divisional games left (7 – Toronto, 4 – Boston, 3 – Tampa)

  • BigBlueAL

    It wasnt pretty but a win is a win and at this point of the season I will gladly take any win they can get.

  • Brian S.

    Is Pedroia going to sit tomorrow out? Or be a terrible father and neglect his child?

    • Pat D

      Resist Brett Pedroia joke.
      Resist Brett Pedroia joke.
      Resist Brett Pedroia joke.

      • Brian S.

        Nomaas already did it.

        • Pat D

          I saw. They always do. I’m trying to stay above that level, but it’s hard. Especially after now seeing a picture of him. I hate stereotypes, but he definitely looks like a pedophile.

          • MannyGeee

            he looks like a Steve Carell-esque charactature of a kid toucher.

          • Squints

            I hate Pedoria as much as the next Yankee fan but yall just sound like mad at him and his life making comments like that. Coming at a guys looks tho cmon, the dudes wife is pretty hot.

            • Pat D

              I was referring to his brother, not to him.

              And Dustin is still a Sniveling Little Rat-Faced Git.

    • your mom

      I’m glad he left early cause he probably would’ve won the game for them.

    • FIPster Doofus

      I guess David Robertson is a terrible father.

  • your mom

    The best part of the game was Pedro freaking Ciriaco going 0-4.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      I would settle for the wildcard if it meant Pedro Ciriaco never getting another hit in the major leagues for the rest of his life.

      • jesse

        That’s a bit of a stretch, don’t you think? I mean, if the old wild card rules were still in place, fine, but with this new rule I wouldn’t go that far.

      • Herby

        Careful what you wish for…he may be a Yankee one day.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Probably when he turns back into a pumpkin. He can slide right into Darnell McDonald’s roster spot.

      • WhittakerWalt

        There’s so many things to hate about Ciriaco, but the worst is having to hear John and Suzyn constantly saying “this kid’s for real! He’s proved himself as a big leaguer!”
        NO HE HASN’T.

        • TomH

          As far as the Yankees are concerned he has.

        • the Other Steve S.

          Well, he does wear his hat over his ears. There’s that…

  • dkidd

    joe girardi is having a terrible week

    at this point, following the binder with relentless, robotic consistency would be a huge improvement

    • Herby

      Joe Girardi is doing everything he can to make sure he doesn’t come back next year. I think the pressure is getting to him so much that he’s probably wishing to be free of N.Y.
      Joe Girardi…Wrigley Field peanut vendor…all the glory of being around baseball…none of the pressure…but boy will he miss that binder…

      • Mikhel

        I heard that he even has a binder for whenever he has to decide how to wipe his arse in the toilette.

    • Ted Nelson

      A manager is not meant to predict the future, but to put people in a situation where they are most likely to succeed. That players don’t perform does not mean Girardi is having a bad week. It means those players are having a bad week.

      If you want to evaluate a manager, you have to look at the decisions he made. Why were those the wrong decisions?

      • Hummingbird S.

        How can you justify PH for Ibanez and Chavez but letting Ichiro and Stewart bat in the SAME FREAKING INNING?

        • MannyGeee

          counterpoint, if Ibanez pops out instead of Andruw drawing a walk, maybe you dont get to Ichiro drawing an error (and yes, his speed drew that error)

          that said, you bat the guy with 2 doubles on the night over Nix trying to square for a bunt. And Chris Stewart doesnt bat in that situation 1000 times out of 1000.

      • Robinson Tilapia


  • CUYanks

    I dread a 1-game playoff, but on the positive side, the closest to us for that 2nd WC is the Rays at 3 GB and the Angels are now 3.5 GB. That’s a decent lead for the contingency plan. Plus, the O’s play the A’s soon, so one of those two will have to lose a few games.

    • Mikhel

      I am hoping for a sweep there by anybody, though I’d prefer the A’s sweeping the Orioles going at best 1-3 in the next 4 games, and the NYY winning 2 out of the next 4 games, that way when the NYY face Toronto next tuesday, they could be 1.5 above the O’s or at least 0.5 games better than them while trying to hold them off as the O’s face the Mariners and NYY the BJays, though it is highly improbable knowing that the O’s face 13 games against bad teams after the A’s series, while the Rays will face 6 though games vs the A’s and the Orioles.

      I think the division race will be defined in the A’s-NYY series, with the NYY on the verge of being left out of the party, which, if it means that JoeG will get a boot in his arse, i will gladly put this season to rest… but I don’t think Ca$hman will fire JoeG, he was hsi favourite when JoeT went to the Dodgers and Ca$hman thinks he has done a good job.

      I am sure that as soon as the NYY get “disqualified”, they’ll blame the Yanks lousy playing, on injuries, though they’ve just had two “good” months: April and June (33 W and 15 L)… the rest of the season they hold a record of 47 W and 46 L.

  • A-Rod Apologist


  • Bavarian Yankee

    I’ll never know why a great player like Cano is so bad with RISP. I mean a .270 career avg with RISP isn’t too bad but when you’re a career .307 hitter (even .322 with nobody on base) then that’s very disappointing.

    btw: his extreme GB tendency this year is a bit scary too. Paradox that he hits his most homers in exactly the same year where he also hit a career-low number of flyballs. 25% of his flyballs are homers this year, that’s ridiculous.

  • Ted Nelson

    Take a zoloft or something… it’s all going to be ok.

  • OMG! Bagels!

    When did people start calling homers “dingers?” To me a “ding” is a quiet sound or a little sound. Can’t describe it, but to me it doesn’t sound like an apt phrase for a homer and I must have slept through many columns in my life because I’ve just noticed it last year and this one. Not criticizing, just wondering where it came from and when it started. It confoozles me when I hear it. but I am easily confoozled.

    • CS Yankee

      I’ve first heard it from Reggie Jackson back in the late-70’s.

      I thought it was cool but have usually used “going (or went) yard”; which come to think of doesn’t sound too powerful either.

      “Bomb” isn’t right either cause the batter didn’t blow up…homer isn’t right either cause Homer Simpson isn’t an athlete.

      How about “a rocket propelled grenade to left field, see ya!”?

    • MannyGeee

      might have to do with metal bats? they ding when you hit with them right…

    • Robinson Tilapia

      It coincided when stuart stopped calling his penis a dinger in 1943.

    • Mandy Stankiewicz

      Sweet spots crack more than ding, but I suppose ‘crackers’ wouldn’t be a great term either…

  • jon

    I actually broke out my calculator to see what 1 for 25 was for an average, I just could not believe how bad we have been.


  • Frank

    HR or bust offense worked last night-barely. won’t matter. This team came up for a another breathe, but the fact remains their drowning.

  • Better off Eddard

    Dave Phelps is a big game pitcher and showed it last night. When is the last time we got an outing that good from our starter? Hughes needs to follow up tonight.

    Here’s our problem – Joe Girardi. Swisher hits a lead off double so Girardi of course plays for one run. He PHs Nix for Ibanez to bunt. That didn’t work so he PHs Andruw for Chavy, who had two doubles, and then he lets Ichiro and Stewart hit for themselves. Where was Martin? Where was Nunez or McGhee? Terrible strategy.

    • CS Yankee

      The Chavy pull pissed me off…the others, meh?

      They usually don’t like the change at catcher but with Cerv’ here, I would have done it.

  • Better off Eddard

    Also, Cody Ross should not be allowed to play in tonight’s ballgame for raising his bat to Alfonso Marquez. Alfonso made a great strike 3 call on a ball that just clipped the bottom of the zone. Ross then blew up and rose his bat to intimidate the home plate ump. That type of behavior should not be tolerated.

    • jon

      Amen, and I hope that Dustin decides to be a good dad and stay the fu*k home.

      • MannyGeee

        And Ciriaco should, out of respect to Pedroia and Ross, stay home as well.

  • mt

    These games are so excruciating – the RISPFAIL (whether we play small ball or not) and then the relaively newer phenomenon of SHUTDOWNFAIL. Soriano looked very shaky and although he has been great so far this year I am hoping Yanks offense picks up even a little bit so he has more of a margin for error.

    Why is Cervelli on team if we still let Chris Stewart hit with men in RISP late in games? But on other hand, we send a pinch hitter up to bunt (why can’t Jones bunt or swing away; we did not have to sacriifce there; it was a choice) and he pinch-hit for Chazvez because of a lefty pitcher. OK, I can see his arguments for pinch-hitting for Jones and Chavez (reasonable people can disagree) but why in the world do you let Chris Stewart bat with RISP in September with 3 catchers?

    Hard to feel that great about game – we lucked out by an act of God literally (Dusty Ratface leaving for birth of his child – outcome might have been very different if he batted.) – I’ll take the win, though. Also everyone needs to stop the “we never get any breaks talk
    – we did get plenty of breaks yesterday – Pedroia leaving for his wife’s pregnancy, the Marquez strike call (I am glad it was really a strike according to the above but there are a lot of umpires who would not have called that a strike), the Nava fly ball offf Soriano that did not go out.

    Yes, there have been some bad breaks but the biggest problem by far is that we do not take advantage of our own breaks (Nunez somehow getting thrown out by Lavarnway on Tuesday, lettting Pedroia go off on Tuesday when Loney who bats behind him was very shaky, Soriano reverting to over use of slider yesterday, almost comical RISPFAIL both days with no hits, sac flies or RBI groundouts in sight).

    I wish that there would be an incorporation of some of younger players in the game – I see what Manny Machado is doing in Baltimore and I do think that having young players in September helps to soften the atmosphere which I am sure can get very stifling in such a pennant race. Manny is a top prospect and we don’t have those but I do think regardless of teh levelk of prospect it does help veterans think about soemthing other than their own performance.

  • MannyGeee

    I am going slightly off topic, but I feel bad for Bobby V. I think hes not a bad guy, just being villianized by the Red Sox ownership and Boston media.

    unless he comes back next season, in which case fuck Bobby V

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I agree.

      The franchise brought him in, but wavered in their commitment to him from day one. If he was what they really felt was needed, ownership would have shut those players up much quicker. Doomed to fail from day one.

  • Tim “the degenerate gambler” AKA Buffalo Bill

    At the risk of appearing like I have split loyalties, I was very frustrated with last night’s game as, while I was rooting hard for the Yankees all the way, I had money on the total going over 10. Still really pissed about the GIDP by Jeter in the eighth…

  • CS Yankee

    The whole ESPN “Nomar, O’Brien & Schill” show can go from informative to extreme bias in a few words, IMHO.

    Schill’ talking pitch sequence is good stuff, his biased against Valentine is just sad though.

    Nomar seems jealous of Jeet and whenever Schill’ says something, he needs to add what the batter should do. He clearly was a see-ball-hit-ball dude for his career. Schill’ kind of caught him on the hardest pitch to lay down a bunt question.

    Nomar’s momentum comments show his belief system when it comes to baseball and reminded me of his outlook against the A’s in the ’03 playoffs, which a few believe was the beginning of the end for him in Boston. Jeter is so much more stronger in the psych dept while nomar had the muscle.

    They really need better balance…but its not “Hawk bad”, but still pretty bad.