Saturday Night Open Thread

Teixeira works out for first time since re-aggravating calf strain
Ibanez leads Yankees to miraculous extra innings win over Athletics

I have a very, very hard time believing that Jackie Robinson would stare down a pitcher and flip his bat after hitting a homer, but then again I never saw him play. Anyway, that’s the trailer for 42, the upcoming biopic of Robinson’s life. I haven’t seen a decent baseball movie in years, though I suppose this has a chance to be watchable. I hope so, anyway.

Here’s your open thread for the night. MLB Network will air a game a little later on (who you see depends on where you live), plus there’s bound to be some college football on somewhere. Talk about that stuff or anything else here, just not politics. That’s not a discussion for a baseball site.

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Teixeira works out for first time since re-aggravating calf strain
Ibanez leads Yankees to miraculous extra innings win over Athletics
  • Hall and Nokes

    You think the Angels would rather see Baltimore or us in the WC game?

  • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

    Did that game just happen?

  • Get Phelps Up

    I never thought they could top the 15-9 game.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      Meh, gun to my head, that was better because it was against the Sox. This was incredible though.

      • jjyank

        Agreed, I still gotta go with the Sox game. When it happened, we still considered the Sox our main AL East threat too.

        • vicki

          that’s what gives it a slight edge. though yankees entered the 9th with a lead. the sudden death of this game was intense.

        • radnom

          No way.

          The Yankees are 1 game up with 13 to go. Their main rival had just won in extras. There was so much more on the line tonight.

          • Rocky Road Redemption

            Plus this game mattered for potential tiebreakers.

          • jjyank

            Well then we’re defining it differently. I liked the Sox game more because:

            1. I hate the Red Sox. Maybe more than many Yankee fans do, since I went to college in their territory and had to put up with their fans’ shit for 4 years, including 2007.

            2. At the time, that series seemed big too. It was early in the year, sure, but we all though the Sox were the main threat, and thus, the games against them were big.

            3. 15 unanswered runs to come back from a 9 run deficit? Glorious.

            4. I really hate the Red Sox. Did I mention that?

            Don’t get me wrong, in hindsight, this game was “bigger”. But I felt way more giddy and epicy (I know that’s not a word) after the Red Sox game than I did after this one, personally.

            • Rocky Road Redemption

              I despise the Red Sox, but the series was early enough that to me, while I thought it was important, the main attraction was HOLY SHIT NINE FUCKING RUNS HAHAHA FUCK YOU RED SOX. I wasn’t as giddy because I figured it was early and only one game. Lots of baseball to be played.

              The 15 unanswered runs were awesome, but this game was way crazier. It was tight throughout, and then when we finally fell down by four runs you really just figured the game was over, the difference being that during this game you were way more pissed because it was so close. Against the Sox, if they didn’t come back they never really had a shot anyway.

              • jjyank

                Yeah, I mean this game was probably crazier. But I certainly didn’t enjoy it as much.

            • radnom

              1. I also went to college in Boston, so you can’t pull that card.

              2. It may have seemed big, but not pennant race big. The entire season is in the line in these last two weeks. This was bigger.

              • jjyank

                When did anyone say one game was bigger than the other with regards to the pennant race? Answer: nobody.

                I enjoyed the Red Sox game more because of the reasons I stated. Feel free to disagree, but that one is the “top” game for me this year, and that was the original point we were discussing.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I’m “prouder” of this game, but nothing tops that comeback.

  • MartinRanger

    But seriously, NO ONE expected them to do anything but go quietly in the 13th. No one.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      I expected a tease, but no runs to be scored.

    • Tom

      Honestly I did not think they would go quietly.

      But I did think they would score 2 or 3 runs and come up short.

    • Joe

      You didn’t see my comment then.

    • Nice Scheister

      I expected to be teased, amazing comeback! From RISPFAIL to amazing comeback! Bronxball we go hard, we go hard!

      • Nice Scheister

        *not an amazing comeback

    • WhittakerWalt

      I always expected they’d get the tying run to the plate somehow, but still blow it.

  • Kramerica Industries

    So, this the craziest Yankee game since _________________?

    The craziest I can recall was either the Giambi grand slam walk-off in 2002, or the great comeback against Texas in 2006.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      The comeback in Boston the day of Humber’s perfect game.

      • Kramerica Industries

        That was the best win. Most satisfying.

        Interestingly enough, I don’t think it was as crazy. Sox scored nine straight, Yankees answered with 15. Regulation innings.

        This game was back and forth and the Yankees finally got that elusive miracle last at-bat comeback W.

    • Get Phelps Up

      The game where Jeter dove into the stands was pretty crazy too.

    • jesse

      The comeback against Cleveland and Joe Borowski in 2007 when the Yanks scored like 7 runs or whatever after recording two quick outs in the ninth.

  • Joe

    We’re going with Sheffield? Okay, I see you!

    • vicki

      aw, i was hoping for ggbg.

      showalter wouldve been funny.

  • MartinRanger

    alright, but tying the game? after the batting practice the previous inning. you cannot say you expected that.

  • Ro

    Girlfriend and I went to see Trouble with the Curve last night. Nice story. A little slow moving of a movie. Pretty funny at times. Not your conventional “baseball” movie. Worth a view…and if I ever encounter a kid like the one who the movie is named after “Trouble with the Curve” I’ll smack his brains in. What a punk.

    • Big Members Only (formerly RI$P FTW)

      Are you like 65 years old?

  • Get Phelps Up

    Off to go read the Game Thread…should be fun.

    • Pasta Stumbling Sojo

      See you in 1300 comments.

    • Rocky Road Redemption

      It’s wonderful.

  • MannyGeee

    Those, gentlemen, are the kinds if games playoff teams win.

    That was 2009 shaving cream pie territory!

  • Nice Scheister

    I got goosebumps watching that 42 trailer, love the Brooklyn song too. It’s gonna be great!

    • jjyank

      Yeah, seems pretty cool. I have a real low bar for baseball moves anyway. The fact that is involves baseball is enough to jump it from mediocre to very good in my book.

  • Neil

    That movie looks really good.

  • Internet Tough Guy Fan

    Next guy who says this team has no heart, no guts, no fire, no cajones eats a fist sandwich.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      At least you didn’t say no grit. Cause this team lacks teh grittyness.

    • Rocky Road Redemption

      +1 (Seems like an RAB thing, but I think it’s cool)

      That was always bullshit, and now we have an example to prove it.

      But grit, we still need that. We tied it with a HR! A gritty team would have had three infield singles and stolen home to tie the game, duh.

  • Anthony

    I am still reeling from that game. Literally don’t want to move, still in shock. Yankee Classic for sure.

  • Eddard

    And who were the heroes at the end? nunie and ichiro, two ballplayers who ive advocated to get more playing time because they make things happen. ibanez just made the postseason roster and andruw is done. great result.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      Ibanez was the hero of this game. Nunez got lucky.

    • Deep Thoughts

      Andruw had the only 2-out RBI for the Yankees and gave them their first lead. SHOW SOME RESPECT

      • Laz

        Walking in the run isn’t very glorious, but worked good. He really hasn’t been hitting good, so better just take the walk and let people behind him hit.

    • TCMiller30

      and Mesa!!!

  • TomH

    About Jackie R’s baseball manners. I never saw him–against the Phillies or Yankees at least–drop the bat and stare down the pitcher. But I do recall hearing or reading this about him, that some might consider either bad baseball manners or just great baseball psychological warfare. (I may have heard this on that Ken Burns show, but I can’t swear to it). Jackie gets WALKED, so he WALKS to 1st, where he goes into his basepath terrorism, to aggravate and unnerve the pitcher. He steals 2nd. Then the same routine at 2nd. Pitcher is all screwed up and now steals 3rd. There he goes into full terrorist mode, jumping back and forth, etc. Pitcher BALKS. Jackie slowly WALKS to the plate.

    If this story is true, I have mixed feelings about that slow walk home. Surely it was meant to show up the pitcher.

    I hold long grudges against Jackie, and Snider, Hodges, Campy, Erskine, et al. Those 4 World Series (’52, ’53, ’55, ’56) were some of the bitterest, most closely fought baseball games I’ve ever seen (on tv, of course). We eavesdropped on them in school, with some guys delegated to sneaky listening on cheap portable radios. They passed notes. School out and we rushed home to watch the “excruciations” continue.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      That actually sounds brilliant. I mean I would only accept that out of a few guys, but Jackie probably would’ve been one of them.

    • jjyank

      I’m not seeing the problem there. So he walked to the plate slowly? Whatever.

    • Bo Knows

      You mean him showing up a pitcher (and by extension every player in that stadium) who undeniably hated his guts based solely on the fact that he was black and therefore an inferior being?….if he did that, he deserves far more respect from everyone than he already gets. A Black man has been tortured and lynched for far far less.

      • Big Members Only (formerly RI$P FTW)

        So all white people hated all black people back then? Grow up, dude.

        • Bo Knows

          You need to wake up, if you think the world was all sunshine and lollipops especially during that time. And it sure as hell was far more than just a slight majority that hated the fact a black man was even on the same field as them. Jackie faced racism everywhere that includes his manager, and his teammates that is fact. He was threatened constantly and to say that at least some of those people on both the field and the stands wanted him dead would be an understatement.

          • YanksFanInBeantown

            “Undeniably” just seems a little strong. Probably is a better word. More accurate too, seeing as how you don’t have telepathy and can’t read exactly what was going on in that pitcher’s head.

  • Paul

    What was that about not wanting a nail biter?

  • Nice Scheister

    I was campaigning to take out Ibanez in favor of Dickerson in the 7th inning, he was the reason they came back and perhaps the reason the game even went into extra innings to begin with.

    • http://thecarsboneblog.tumblr.com Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle

      Yeah, two things I got dead wrong in this game: Derek Lowe coming into pitch and Dickerson taking over in Right for Ibanez. I look really stupid for being so upset about those.

      • Nice Scheister

        Hindsights always 20/20, but at the time they both seemed like legitimate gripes, I was with ya! I’m going to now be campaigning for Phelps over Nova in five days. Then watch Nova fire seven scoreless next time out.

  • Ada S.

    Mike, if you haven’t seen a good baseball movie in years, then you haven’t watched Moneyball yet.

    • bonestock94

      Eh, I really didn’t like it. Not for nerdy sabarmetric reasons, I just found it really odd.

      • bonestock94

        sabermetric*

    • Rocky Road Redemption

      It was good, but it would have been waaaaaaaay better if they hadn’t dragged on the ending.

      • vicki

        what, you didn’t like the john-henry-as-visionary scene? i scoffed audibly in the theatre.

    • Joe

      Moneyball wasn’t as good as advertised.

      What movie is though?

    • Leg-End

      I thought it was great.

      • Betty Lizard

        Me too. I loved it.

        Of course, I’m a sucker for “dare to dream” movies.

    • Tom

      I didn’t think it was all that great; they took quite a few liberties with baseball aspects while “Hollywoodizing” it.

      You’d almost forget the knucklehead scouts who couldn’t grasp “what does he do, he gets on base” were the same guys who brought in Hudson, Mulder, Zito, Chavez, Tejada… and yet converting a catcher to a 1st baseman because he gets on base and pulling off a sneaky trade for a reliever seems to have been the key?

      As a fan of the advanced stats the movie was supposedly about, it took a lot of the enjoyment away from the movie for me; I felt they were overselling how much of a role “outsmarting” everyone with these newfangled statistics really played

      • Laz

        Especially because stats are now way more advanced than looking at people that walk.

      • Laz

        Personally I thought the book was alot better, the movie got washed down, but honestly how can you get a real hollywood movie about baseball statistics?

      • Laz

        Personally I thought the book was alot better, the movie got washed down, but honestly how can you get a real hollywood movie about baseball statistics?

        • JohnnyC

          I much preferred the Bollywood version to the Hollywood version. More singing and dancing. Good times!

        • Jedua

          +1

          I really liked the movie (my girlfriend was so bored) but When you read the book It makes a lot more sense

          although great movie

      • Kiko Jones

        Great baseball movie, and like every single Hollywood movie based on a true story, liberties were taken. It’s not a documentary, so…

  • Chilango

    Yankees won for just the second time in team history after trailing by at least four runs in extra innings.

  • Rocky Road Redemption

    I don’t know Mike, I liked Mr. 2,999.

    • Joe

      Ugh, are you serious? That movie was terrible.

      • Rocky Road Redemption

        Really? I thought it was funny. Lighthearted and predictable, but that was obvious going into it, so if you’re in the mood for that sort of thing I found it enjoyable.

  • Joe

    Trouble with the curve is trying to tell us sabr isn’t the right way to go. I refuse to go see it now.

    Clint Eastwood you old school brah!

    • MannyGeee

      Stay off my lawn.

    • Chilango

      On the other hand, sabermetrics may not be the be all and end all either. Aside from the inherent problems you get in any statistical analyisis, even trends that look very reliable may not be. The sabermetric equations are based on fitting functions to sets of data, which are then assumed to be good over time. But this may not be true. There is a whole field of study that addresses this: Asymptotic Analysis

      • Joe

        They’re more reliable than using the sound of the bat. Saw a mini clip of the move and Eastwood’s character says something like, “He has a hitch in his swing. Can tell from the sound of the bat. Numbers don’t tell you that.”

        What the heck is that bogus? haha.

        • Chilango

          I agree.

  • Joe

    Wouldn’t it be fresh is Deron Williams wore #42 in honor of Robinson for the Brooklyn Nets?

    • Joe

      if*

      • Robinson Tilapia

        It’d be nicer if he/they supported community events that weren’t only within a certain radius of the arena they basically dropped on top of my neighborhood.

        I can fake a smile like no one’s business, though.

  • Rocky Road Redemption

    I vote this as favorite game/best win of the season over the Boston game. That was great, but it just didn’t have the drama of this game, and in retrospect while it was still the Sox and that’s significant the game wasn’t really that important-too early, for one thing, and as it turned out the Sox sucked.

    As a side note, the game thread is pure gold. Just an absolutely wonderful read. I’ve never seen the ENTIRE thread just get so dejected all at once, including our more rational fans, and then have such a complete turnaround before. Really awesome thread.

    • Joe

      In reality, every game is important. They all account for one win or loss.

      • Rocky Road Redemption

        Not really. This game matters for tiebreakers.

  • Dan Gold

    Stop talking about rape on this website.

    Is this blog now named “River Ave Rape Talk “?

    Myself and my gay friends are taking notice

    • Joe

      You’re the only one in this thread that said it.

      • Dan Gold

        Joe-study hard for your algebra test and cut out your comments ..they have been recorded

        • Joe

          Dan-I passed alegbra in 8th grade.

          I haven’t made a remark about whatever you’re talking about. So please don’t include me.

          Thanks.

      • jjyank

        I agree that he’s a troll to bring it up, be he’s referencing a thread from a few days/a week or so ago that spawned the whole “no more politics” thing.

        • Joe

          Why are my comments being recorded? lol. I didn’t even get involved in that post.

          • jjyank

            “Troll” is the key word here, Joe.

            • Joe

              True.

  • Joe

    Anyone know the deal on the Wild Card tickets situation? I put down $160 on two seats in section 205. Now do I automatically get a ticket for game 1,2, or 5?

    Or is this a raffle?

  • Nice Scheister

    I Jack, I Rob, I sin
    Awww man, I’m Jackie Robinson
    Except when I run base, I dodge the pen.

    Jay-Z! I love it, I’ve heard it before but paired with the clip above its off the yelsabar.

    • Joe

      Jay-Z is great.

      But Jay-Z or Nas? That is the question.

      • jjyank

        Nas. Illmatic is one of the greatest hip hop albums ever.

        • Nice Scheister

          That’s just one album, Jay is the best most consistent hip hop artist of all time. Nas is good every seven years or so. The Notorious One is the illest if longevity isn’t a factor.

          • Joe

            Nas has like 6 #1 albums. Including his recent.

            • Nice Scheister

              “Four albums in ten years? I could divide
              That’s one every let’s say two, two of them shits was due
              One was – NAHHH, the other was “Illmatic”
              That’s a one hot album every ten year average
              And that’s so – LAAAAAAAME! Switch up your flow
              Your shit is garbage, but you try and kick knowledge?”

              -The Takeover

              At last count Hova had 11; and also remember this from last from last year?
              “JAY-Z BREAKS ELVIS PRESLEY’S NUMBER ONE RECORD”

              That’s some serious shit there!

          • jjyank

            Sometimes that’s all it takes. I like Jay-Z, but never really heard anything that I LOVE quite the way that I love a bunch of Nas songs, specifically Illmatic.

            If you wanna expand this conversation though, I need to through in Gang Starr and A Tribe Called Quest into the mix.

            • Joe

              The whole Illmatic album is amazing, and is something every hip hop fan appreciates.

              • jjyank

                “Represent” is still one of my favorite hip-hop songs of all time.

                • Joe

                  Life’s a bitch is pretty awesome.

                  N.Y. State of mind.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Hip-hop’s just not known for longevity, though. All it takes is one classic moment to reach immortality.

              Black Star only had one album. They made it count.

              “The Low End Theory” isn’t just the greatest rap albums of all time, it’s one of the greatest albums of all time, period.

              • jjyank

                Well Black Star was Mos Def and Talib Kweli, both of which have plenty of their own stuff. But Agreed with the general point.

                • vicki

                  going on two albums! have you heard the new stuff? it’s kickass. very excited.

          • jjyank

            Also, hells yes on Notorious. I’m not talking about longevity, just quality. He will always be one of the greatest. On that same note, I’ll also add Big L. Doesn’t have the longevity, but had some serious talent.

        • Joe

          THANK YOU. I knew this blog was the best.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Absolutely, but I’d even but “The Black Album” alongside it.

          I also thought “I Am” and “Untitled” were good albums, but I generally find him to be too unfocused an artist, and the rest of the catalog just never caught my attention. Jay-Z’s had his moments of laziness, but he’s been so consistent overall, and rarely even phones it in on guest spots. It’s just no competition for me.

      • Nice Scheister

        No doubt Hova.

      • FIPster Doofus

        Jay-Z sucks.

  • BigBlueAL

    Yankees all of a sudden just 1 1/2 games behind Texas for best record and they have the head-to-head tie-breaker.

    If A’s/Orioles remain the Wild Card teams Id much rather face one of them in the ALDS than the AL Central winner. Of course Yankees still have to take care of business by winning the AL East.

    • Joe

      I’d take the White Sox over the A’s/O’s any day.

      • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

        White Sox aren’t winning the Central, and they’ll have their putrid 6-12 record vs. Kansas City to thank for it.

      • vicki

        they sure have had their way with us this year though.

  • Nice Scheister

    Nova
    IP 165.2, Hits 188 , H/9 11.23, Runs 96, ERs 91, HRs 27, Walks 54, Strikeouts 149, WHIP 1.46, BAA .288, ERA 4.94, ERA + 86 (ERA plus not including today’s start)

    Phelps 
     IP 91.2, Hits 76, H/9 7.5, Runs 34, ER 33, HRs 13, Walks 34, Strikeouts 91, WHIP 1.20, BAA .228, ERA 3.24, ERA + 129

    Which pitcher do you have more faith in?

  • Joe

    This ND vs. Michigan game is good.

    I don’t have a favorite college team, but ND was always a team I pulled for.

    But if I get into Rutgers. Then go Scarlet Knights.

    • jjyank

      I guess I’d have to root for the Knights by default. Kind of hard to identify with your grad school team, though. I’ll always be a Catamount at heart. No football team there, but he had some serious hockey teams. A number of players from UVM that I watched in the NHL now.

      • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

        Well, Martin St. Louis and Tim Thomas are two very notable alums.

        I was really hoping Marty would be on the winning side of the 2011 Conference Final. Game 7 is far and away the toughest loss I have ever sustained as a Lightning fan.

        • jjyank

          And trust me, there are signed pictures all over that town. My favorite player that I watched while I was there was this guy, my boy Stalburg. Dude was amazing to watch against other college teams, he straight destroyed them.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_St%C3%A5lberg

          • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

            Ah, Viktor Stalberg. Wouldn’t have guessed that given that he’s Swedish, but you could do far worse.

            • jjyank

              Yep. We went in at the same time too. He turned pro our senior year, but I still got to watch him tear shit up for 3 years.

              • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

                Too bad about the lockout then, eh?

                Hockey is a wonderful sport. The NHL is a piss-poor excuse for providing the sport at its highest level. The only positives are that it’s not as corrupt as organizations like the IOC and FIFA are.

                • jjyank

                  Yeah. I don’t follow it professionally as much as I should, but hockey is a blast to watch, and I enjoy it more than football to be honest.

                  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

                    I can never answer the question of baseball, football, and hockey. Honestly, it’s all of a matter of which one is in season, or, the one at the most important point of it’s season.

                    September-October: Baseball >> football >>> hockey
                    November-January: Football >> hockey
                    February-May: Hockey > baseball
                    June-August: Baseball > well, against anything

                    There are other sports that I like (basketball, golf, and soccer), but they don’t compare to those three. It’s really too bad the NHL is doing everything it can to alienate their fans – the few that exist even today. I remember barely watching in 2005-06 after the previous lockout. I don’t wish the 2013-14 season to be the same way, but given the way these knuckleheads negotiate, I fear 2012-13 may very well be doomed.

                    • Joe

                      Pretty fair assessment except Feb-May. I rather watch baseball.

                    • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

                      Eh. Regular season NHL ends first week of April. I watch 80% of Yankees games on MLB.tv anyway, so I’m able to multi-task.

      • Joe

        Not a big hockey fan. If attend about any other school I doubt they’ll have a competitive football team.

  • vicki

    retire the word epic; that game had EVERYTHING.

  • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

    Frigging Red Sox can’t only beat the Orioles, but they also resuscitated the moribund Rays offense.

    13, 7, 12, 11 in the past four games, and it’s only the 5th inning tonight. WTF?

    • vicki

      i’m not buying into the keep ‘em close til the last series plan. i don’t want them within shouting distance of the ps.

  • OldYanksFan

    We want the Rays to do well… win ALL their remaining games.

    • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

      Why?

      They’re squarely in the race right now. And, thanks to their pitching and my scathing hatred for them, I don’t want them anywhere near the playoff field.

      • Pat D

        We might still need them to be competitive those last 3 games of the season.

  • Pat D

    The most amazing thing about the 42 trailer? It appears that Harrison Ford is actually, you know, acting.

  • Rocky Road Redemption

    Hey guys, does this mean that this is…

    Dare I say it..

    Walk-off Weekend, Part II?

    • https://twitter.com/KramerIndustry Kramerica Industries

      No Johnny Damon, so this team doesn’t pass the grit test for a Walk-off Weekend Part II.

      Oh well.

  • Joe

    That’s a dub for ND!

  • Robinson Tilapia

    It may be for the battle of last place, but I get to sit in one of these tomorrow:

    http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/ny.....suites.jsp

    • Joe

      Worth it. I went on a field trip to Metlife and I went in one of those. So cool to be in.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yeah, I’m pretty excited. I wonder if the “world class food” includes someone bringing you Shake Shack.

        I’ll just tell my kid the Yankees actually own the stadium and let the Mets play there out of charity.

        • Joe

          I would do that if I had a kid.

          But I’d probably make sure his first game is at Yankee Stadium. Yankees Red Sox final game. Then I put down $160 for two Wild Card tickets. My friend is paying half for his seat.