Marchand: Martin seeking four-year deal

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Via Andrew Marchand: Russell Martin is seeking a four-year contract worth $9-10M annually. There’s zero chance the Yankees would go that far, but Ken Rosenthal says the Rangers, Pirates, and Mariners are also involved.

Of course, Martin wanting a four-year, $40M deal is akin to Nick Swisher wanting a Jayson Werth-like contract. They’re not going to get it if they don’t ask, so might as well start with that and negotiate down. I think it’s more likely that someone will offer Martin four years than Swisher finding seven years, but again, there’s no way the Yankees would do that. I like Russ, but not that much.

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  • Kvothe

    Ha. 2 Years, max. Thanks.

  • Blake

    Lol Russ. They should offer him a big one year deal but nothing longer IMO….the 2014 budget will be tight enough without Martin taking up 8-10 million

    • Ted Nelson

      Who do you propose plays C?

  • Darren

    Let me think about this for a min…

    NO.

  • djyank

    2 yrs 14 mil take it or leave it

    6 million mutual option third year if push comes to shove

  • Flyer7

    Dont overpay in $ and years for Martin…look elsewhere or within to fill backstop position

  • Mike

    Let him go. He doesnt call the game anyway it comes from the dugout (manager). Plus he can’t hit.

  • Peter R

    Sure you want to say “no way?” Might have to eat your hat.

    Think 3 years 27 mil?

  • Rey22

    I’d rather have Girardi be the regular catcher than give Martin 4/40

  • Chris

    Paging Eli Whiteside and Chris Stewart tandem for the next three years…

    • JU

      One or more of Romine, Murphy, and Sanchez will be up in that time span. And if not, someone else would’ve been acquired. I realize you’re speaking in hyperbole however

  • Sam

    Why doesn’t A-rod pay him half of his contract over the next two years and it won’t mess up the payroll plans?

    Oh you say because A-rod cares more about his money then he does anythIng else. I kind of wish A-rod would just retire so we can have David Adams play third base the next however many years for 1/60 of arod contract per season LITERALLY!!! Also the payroll problem drifts away. Or we should do a Jason bay type of thing and terminate his contract.

    :o. Just sign Napoli and bring up romine to play backup and get experience to start by 2014-2015.

    • 28 this year

      You do realize that Jason Bay is still getting paid every penny of that contract right?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        No, he doesn’t.

  • angel

    Two years with an option for a third year – total package $23MM

  • Greg

    Remember when Boras called Damon an “icon player”? Its almost comical.

  • bruce

    By year four he’ll be hitting .044

  • JobaWockeeZ

    Thanks for the service time Martin.

  • Bubba

    This threads going to be a doozy.

  • angel

    Sign Ivan Rodriguez for $2MM

  • Jersey Joe
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  • JobaWockeeZ

    And before the obligatory “it’s only negotiations, relax” posts jsut look at the market. Everyone gets overpaid. Freaking Melky Cabrera was able to cash in. Catcher is weak. Martin will get 3 years by someone desperate.

    • Havok9120

      You mean like…us?

      We’re all talking big about letting Martin walk as if the team has the upper hand here. They don’t. We have no MLB-level starting catcher on the roster and the guys available aren’t a better alternative than 3/25-30 for Martin.

      • The Real Eddard

        “We have no MLB-level starting catcher on the roster”

        And that includes Russell Martin. Giving Martin $10 million/yr for multiple years would be like paying Pedro Feliciano $8 million to not throw one single pitch so I guess Martin does have the upper hand against this F.O.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          Martin is about a league average (probably slightly below) MLB starting catcher.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Oh shut the front door.

      • mustang

        Agree with Havok9120 100%

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m not going to say it’s only negotiations, but I will say it’s only rumors being thrown out by the press. I’ll believe it when I see it.

      Obviously, the Yankees would have little need for Russell for that long a period unless the well dries to desert-like proportions.

      • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

        Exactly. Based on all factors – Martin’s performance (or lack thereof), his injury history, wear and tear, $189mm, our C prospects, the size of the drop off to guys like Cervelli, etc. I have zero appetite beyond say 2/$14mm and frankly I think that’s an overpay based strictly on value as I perceive it.

        It looks increasingly likely that I’m going to have to lick my own balls, as I promised I’d do if he got 3/$24mm or more. God pray it’s not the Yanks that give it to though. It’ll make my balls taste much worse.

    • RetroRob

      He deserves three years.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Hang this man.

  • The Real Eddard

    LOL! Yeah, I had a horrible year and hit under .200 for most of the season so give me 4 years, $40 million or else!!! This guy is delusional. Turned down a multiple year deal last year and followed it up with the worst season of his career. GTFO Russ if you’re gonna ask for Jorgie money. You couldn’t even get into Monument Park as a guest.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Fingernails on a blackboard, this one.

    • Get Phelps Up

      If you bother to look at something other than batting average you’d find that it was not the worst season of his career.

  • Guest

    Make a call to san diego and see if Nick Hundley is available

    • A-Rod Apologist

      Nick Hundley isn’t going to be traded, Grandal is going to serve 50 games when the season starts.

  • Robert

    Good-Bye Russell we hate to see you go……..

    Romine,Stewart and Cervelli 2 out of these 3 aint bad

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      2 out of those 3 will likely be extremely bad.

      But I’d do that before I’d give Martin 4 years.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        If it really was 4 years or bust, I think I’ll take what’s behind door #3, Monty..

        #waynebradyforyoukidsoutthere

      • Captain

        all 3 will likely be extremely bad.

        • Bubba

          So is Martin for 4×8,9 or 10

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You’re right. It’d be pretty fucking shitty.

  • Rich in NJ

    I hope Martin gets that deal from another team so the Yankees can move on.

    • mustang

      Move on to what?

      That’s the problem.

      • Bubba

        Not locking up big money to a below average catcher. Martin plus generic RF is probably significantly worse that Swisher plus the pu-pu platter of catchers currently on the roster. Money could be a push depending on how much the generic RF costs.

  • hornblower

    Once again an agent tells a writer. A writer prints it and there we have a market. Ignore this nonsense.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      What would we do with our righteous anger and nervous energy then?

      • Rich in NJ

        Focus it on the Dodgers, who are becoming what the Yankees were: the big kid on the block who spends whatever it takes to get whatever they want, knowing that if you sign/trade for enough really good established veterans in their prime, you can make the playoffs every year for a long time no matter how stupid you are.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          …..and when were the Yankees this?

          • Rich in NJ

            They haven’t pursued a series of big money players over the last decade or? (Giambi, Sheffield, Matsui, Brown, Damon, Vazquez, A-Rod, Pavano, Clemens 2,Abrue, Igawa, AJ, Tex, CC, Soriano…)

            Plus spending big on IFA and regularly paying overslot in the draft.

            It works!

            • Robinson Tilapia

              That just covered a period of twelve years, which is strangely both too short and long a period for you to cite at the same time. It’s also a mighty ridiculous assertion that the franchise is done spending money because they’ll be limiting themselves to $189 million for about a season.

              That “stupid” plan has worked pretty well, unless missing the playoffs once last decade wasn’t enough for you. Where were you in 1993 again?

              Don’t answer, actually. I’m going to bed.

              • Rich in NJ

                I don’t care if you read this or not, but you mischaracterized what I said.

                The Yankees were the big spenders who got almost whatever they wanted, now that role has been assumed by the Dodgers.

                Whatever the Yankees may do in the future, they aren’t doing it now.

                I never said it was a stupid plan, dude, just the opposite.

                I said spending big enables you to be stupid in other areas.

                • http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/home/home.shtml The Big City of Dreams

                  True the one advantage the Yankees had was spending money to cover their mistakes but with the limit that is gone now.

                • YanksFanInBeantown

                  The Dodgers have a lower payroll than the Yankees do…

              • http://www.nyc.gov/html/nycha/html/home/home.shtml The Big City of Dreams

                It will be for more than one season….more likely around 2-3.

          • MannyGeee – The race to $189 starts here!

            from 2001 to 2008…

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Hell, with some lapses, they’ve been this way since the dawn of free agency.

        • Get Phelps Up

          Like this year when they got Victorino, Gonzalez, Beckett and Hanley?

  • yankee empire

    4 years no way. 2 years no way. I’d prefer not to sign Martin. But, if necessary 1 year. If he wants more, we should just play softpitch and go without a catcher.

  • Get Phelps Up

    I wonder if the Yankees could possibly give him a one year deal worth $20M in 2013 with 3 player options for $6M after that. That way they can have him for a low AAV in 2014 and he’ll still get what amounts to a 4 year $38M contract.

    • botz

      Or he could just take that $20 for one year and then go back on the free agent market and try to get his 4 year $40mil.

  • Harris

    Let Romine play and tell him to watch A.J. Ellis tape.

    • Get Phelps Up

      If that’s all it takes why don’t we have him watch Mike Piazza tape?

      • Preston

        To bad there isn’t any Josh Gibson tape out there…

        • MannyGeee – The race to $189 starts here!

          I might give him a Yogi Berra tape

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I’d give him a tape of Eduardo Nunez, the greatest clutch hitter of all time.

            • Preston

              Just make him shadow Nunez wherever he goes. He can absorb his greatness better in person.

  • Opus

    Yanks won’t pay/give that many years seems to be the recurring theme of the FA posts.

  • mustang

    3 years 24 I wouldn’t be surprise at 3 years 30. People can complain all they want about Martin, but the bottom-line is that the other options suck. The same people would probably be crying to have Martin back mid- season after watching Romine, Stewart, Cervelli and friends.

    • Herby

      It’s about what I expect, and then figure a trade halfway through if another option becomes available down the line. It’s too much fun though for press to speculate throw out numbers and get the fans to jump and scream.

      • mustang

        “then figure a trade halfway through if another option becomes available down the line.”

        Then how much would that cost to trade for? I maybe wrong, but I don’t remember last year trading deadline being full of league average catchers.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Yet, when confronted with that reality, the response seems to be “then platoon Stewart and Cervelli and….ELI WHITESIDE!”

          I don’t mind the three years. It wouldn’t be my first offer to Russell but, if the team looks to proceed as if Gary Sanchez will continue to develop into an MLB catcher, I’m fine with Russell holding down the fort until then.

      • MannyGeee – The race to $189 starts here!

        isn’t there some danger with trading for a catcher mid-season and assuming that the production will be positive?

        Let Pudge be a cautionary tale, was good (if not expensive) in Detroit, sucked for 1/2 a season in New York, went ahead and had a nice little sunset in Houston and Washington… and we’re talking about IVAN FCKING RODRIGUEZ, not whatever jabroni is going to become available this July.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I mean……there’s that danger in anyone. There’s about every fungible reliever not named Kerry Wood ever. Remember Craig Wilson, or you are trying to forget with me? :)

          You make a good point, though.

          The perfect answer isn’t going to fall from the sky. Like that cougar at the bar at 2:00 AM, Russell starts looking pretty good at that money.

  • Nathan

    See ya Russell.

  • chuck

    i wish we were in a position to let this guy walk. I kinda like him.. but just feels like we should be able to do better

  • Kosmo

    for Martin nothing more than a 2 year 15 million deal. Yanks could target the Nationals for one of Suzuki, Flores or Ramos. The Nationals can´t carry all 3 on their 25 man roster.

  • Monterowasnotdinero

    The Mariners are involved?

    /contemplates happy possibilities….

    • mustang

      With their lack of GOOD EVERDAY catchers I would be surprise.
      :)

      • mustang

        wouldn’t be…

  • dalelama

    Given the lack of alternatives I would go 2 years @ $9M per year.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      ….and I’m going to go two, I might as well be open to going three. I agree that four would be a bit silly, but we’re going to go through the charade on this comment section that any rumor printed has to be gospel now.

  • OldYanksFan

    Russ, in his WORST year, was worth 1.5 bWAR, or about $7m. In his 2nd worst year (of 1.8 bWAR), he was worth $8m. In 2011, he was at 2.4 bWAR, or $10m+.

    I was disappointed in his offense last year, but I think he has been very solid, and the pitchers seem to really like him. We can fake a Dickerson type in RF, but you can’t fake a Catcher. Even shitty Seattle only gave golden boy Jesus Montero 56 games at C.

    So maybe at 3/$27m we are overpaying by $1m or $2m a year, although thinking Martin CAN’T post a 2 WAR is silly. Is that worth bottom feeding for an important position? We have a lot of holes to fill, and I’d rather just get Martin and move on.

    He has a career CS% of 30% and is considered a great pitch framer. The guy is very solid behind the plate, and Girardi and Cashman understand that this is important in a Catcher.

    Sign him and move on.

  • MannyGeee – The race to $189 starts here!

    Yeah, I would be OK with him at 2/16, and begrudgingly go with 3/24 on the assumption there is no NTC included with any of these deals.

    That said, he will be 10/5 rights eligible in that 3rd year of the contract, so trading him would not be easy should all the cards fall right and Gary Sanchez is the second coming of Mike Piazza

    • MannyGeee – The race to $189 starts here!

      Again, that said, someone will be stupid enough to give him 4 years… and I am hoping that Cashman (or Randy Levine, as it were) is not that someone.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Precisely how I feel.

      I guess he could play Girardi to Sanchez’s Posada in the final year.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        I think 3/24 is reasonable and could see the Yankees going slightly higher, but would prefer no more than 3/27. We’ll see what the rest of the offseason brings.

  • Austin Romine

    Its my time to come up. Between me and Chris Stewart I know we can hit above .200 at least

    • Captain

      and be worst at staying healthy, power production, OBP, pitch framing and throwing out base stealers. but yea, at least they’ll hit over .200.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        Combined, if Stewart can hist around .260 …

  • paul a

    Bryan Pena was DFA by the Royals, I could live with him on a minor league deal until something better pops up.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’d try anyone on an MiLB deal. I’d sign dalelama to one right now.

      • dalelama

        Send it over…

  • LarryM., Fl.

    I would max out with a 3 year contract @ 21-24 million. Martin is not as bad as his offense indicated last year. I see no reason for not believing .250 average is in play with double digit HRs in all three years. By the third year the Yankees should have a player reducing Martin’s playing time considerably. Martin would be more or less a mentor to the younger catcher or backup to a more established catcher. Its imperative to get him regular rest. He’s very athletic to a fault IMHO which depletes his energy levels.

    His defensive skills are his attraction to the Yankees. This coupled with a more productive outlook for the offense should make Martin a good value to the Yankees. The core of a team is up the middle. Catching, pitching, SS, second base and CF. The corners need to be adequate at the least.

    If Martin gets 4 years from another team, I say, “adios amigo.” Cervelli, Romine and whoever straps on the gear will have to do.

  • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

    Buh bye Russ.

  • http://www.thewallbreakers.com Scully

    It seems obvious to me that the issue with Martin wouldn’t be the contract, but whomever is backing him up. He’s a much better hitter than the .211 he hit this past year, but he’ll never hit for a better average than that if he’s catching 130+ games a year. Average isn’t everything, but when he’s rolling 2 double play balls over to the shortstop per game (I realize this isn’t true it just felt that way this year) then those outs feel a lot more annoying. The wear and tear on his body break him down over the course of the season. I agree with the above sentiment that a 4 year deal is ridiculous and would force myself to go as high as 3/27 but not a cent more. One of the reasons we were so successful in 09 was that when Jorge got back from injury he had a good backup in Molina behind him. We need someone backing up Martin that can catch 40-45 games per year. Right now I don’t think we’ve got anyone like that on the roster unless it’s Whiteside or Cervelli (i’m not convinced it is) and it should be as big a priority as resigning Martin.

  • Ted Nelson

    Mike, can you feature the guide to stats more prominently so that we don’t have to read 40 comments about batting average as a comprehensive offensive stat in every thread?

    • dalelama

      Ted you are going to have to tolerate us mere mortals so put your crayons down.

  • Ted Nelson

    Mike, can you feature the guide to stats more prominently so that we don’t have to read 40 comments about batting average as a comprehensive offensive stat in every thread?

    • Klemy

      Seems a bit dramatic. Not everyone who mentioned batting average was painting it as a prominent offensive stat, just because they cited one.