Nov
07

Michael Pineda has begun throwing off flat ground

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While speaking with reporters tonight, Brian Cashman mentioned that Michael Pineda has started throwing off flat ground as he rehabs from shoulder surgery. “He’s just flat ground throwing,” said the GM to Chad Jennings. ” I think it’s best for us to pretend he’s not even there and then have him sneak up on us. And I hope he does, but I’m not going to count on him. I don’t think that’s going to be fair … He’ll be ready when he’s ready, and we’ll be happy to take him. But to count on him would be wrong.”

A few weeks ago Cashman said the 23-year-old Pineda likely won’t be back until June of next season, which he reiterated tonight. The Yankees aren’t going to count on him and they shouldn’t; it was a major surgery and there’s some chance he may never be the same pitcher again. For at least next season, it’s best to proceed as if he’s a non-option all together and just treat anything he provides as a bonus. Regardless, it’s still very good news that he’s started throwing and his rehab is progressing.

Categories : Asides, Injuries
  • forensic

    Uh oh, he’s starting to think like some fans now. Many of them prefer pretending/wishing that he wasn’t a Yankee too.

  • Brian S.

    He sucks

    • Monterowasnotdinero

      Maybe but he certainly was stupid to not mention his injury sooner. I’m sure it worsened as he pushed it trying to please his critics, improve his ST results and deny reality.

      • Tcmiller30

        Seriously. What a jerk for trying to play through soreness.

        I wish he was more like Pavano and would bitch and moan if he had a bruise or splinter.

        He’s a competitive guy. He wanted to prove himself. It came back to bite him. Lets move on and hope he’s healthy enough to play again at some point.

  • Robinson Tilapia (IS Nate Silver)

    ” I think it’s best for us to pretend he’s not even there and then have him sneak up on us. And I hope he does, but I’m not going to count on him. I don’t think that’s going to be fair … He’ll be ready when he’s ready, and we’ll be happy to take him. But to count on him would be wrong.”

    The first part of that was just awesome in his honesty. Not trying to make lemonade at all. Don’t expect a thing from him and allow him to work himself back. This is where we’re at right now with Pineda, and I certainly appreciate Cash’s not trying to sugarcoat that.

    • RetroRob

      He’s managing expectations, a necessity in NY. The media was all over Pineda from his first ST appearance this year, so Cash has served noticed not to expect anything on Pineda until mid year, if even then. He’s basically removed him from discussion. If he comes back sooner, all well and fine. Yet I expect them to be quite conservative here. They’ll build out their five-man rotation without Pineda, they’ll have him go on his 21-day rehab assignment when he’s ready, then when that’s done they will option him to the minor leagues and continue to bring him back slowly, regaining service time and delaying his arbitration for a year. Maybe we’ll see him in July. Maybe.

      • forensic

        21 days?

        As a pitcher he gets 30 days. Position players 20. I’m missing where 21 comes in.

        • RetroRob

          An error on my part on the amount of rehab time. I thought it was 21 days. Overall, though, my point is the Yankees will probably send him on rehab and then once it’s done, they’ll assign him to the minors. Maybe they’ll just send him straight to the minors. Not sure if the union rules insist that he first go on rehab for service time. Either way, I expect him to be spending time in the minors.

  • Rich in NJ

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he ends up as a reliever.

    • forensic

      I understand the sentiment, but I hope that’s after he’s gone from the Yanks. They’ve already wasted prospects, time, and money on him, but at least with his injury (though he’s eating away his minimum salary time) he’s likely kept his arbitration salaries extremely low too. Given all those reasons, I’d rather they go all-in on him as a starter during his time in NY rather than trying to squeeze whatever minimal value they may be able to get as a reliever.

      Developing relievers is easy in the grand scheme of things. Given the circumstances, he should be kept relatively cheap even through his arbitration years even as a starter, so I say go big or go home at this point.

      • Rich in NJ

        Sure, I hope that he can regain his velo, the sharpness of his slider, and continue to develop his change, but he has had a far more serious shoulder injury than Joba (at least according to the prognosis for their respective injuries), but the later has now been relegated to the pen since the injury (and seemingly, at least in part, because of it) and the former is still projected to be a starter. Perhaps I’m wrong, but there seems to be something illogical about that. So barring some atypical recovery, that is the rationale for my prior post.

        • forensic

          Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think he’ll succeed or be very good, but given what they’ve already lost in the whole situation, might as well go all in and see if you get lucky for a couple months or maybe more, rather than just a few innings out of the pen that really could be filled by any number of other guys.

          • Preston

            I think he should be both. Obviously Cashman is going to have a rotation of 5 or 6 starters ready to go on opening day, when Pineda is ready to come back he should go to AAA. If he’s good and a spot in the rotation opens up for him then bring him up as a starter, if it doesn’t then call him up in September as a back end reliever and he can be another arm in the pen. Then in 2014 you put him back in the rotation.

        • Steve (different one)

          But Pineda had surgery to repair his shoulder, Joba never did. Not saying he’ll be fine, but the situations don’t seem to be exactly the same.

          • Rich in NJ

            Why doesn’t that make it reasonable to think that Joba’s injury wasn’t serious enough to warrant surgery?

            • Ted Nelson

              You can’t get much value out of one example. This is what the notion of sample size everyone throws around boils down to.

        • qwerty

          It’s reasonable to assume he’ll replace Joba’s role in the pen once Joba leaves for FA to be a starter.

  • Preston

    Well if he rehabs all winter at least he’ll be in shape to start next season.

  • YanksFanInBeantown

    Not to be overly optimistic, but we have to remember that his rotator cuff is perfectly fine and it’s not a SLAP tear, which is what torn labrums usually are. The best comp is Anibal Sanchez who had the exact same thing happen when he was 23.

    • Monterowasnotdinero

      This. I have had partial rotator cuff tear surgery recently. Can’t imagine trying to come back to be a hard throwing major league pitcher. Wish him well.

  • ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa

    Oh, Jesus. (At least he’d be productive in some way)

    • Monterowasnotdinero

      Thatsthe JesusPleaseusTeaseus….

  • Mike HC

    I see these comments as keeping expectations in check for fans, while also reminding/motivating Pineda that he will have nothing handed to him and if he wants to pitch for the Yanks he will have to work his ass off to get back into the rotation.

    • Ted Nelson

      Not to mention as honest comments that reflect the try nature of things.

  • Ted Nelson

    Willbe interesting to see if he makes it back and at what level. I believe Clemens and Schilling had injuries defined in a similar way only to go on to amazing careers, but I have no idea how his injury really compares to their injuries.

    • YanksFanInBeantown

      Schilling’s injury was a full SLAP tear which is worse than Pineda’s

      Here’s a full BP article on it (no sub required): http://www.baseballprospectus......leid=16634

      The best comps are Anibal Sanchez and Jose Valverde. Clemens apparently had a similar one, but in a different part of the labrum.

  • MikeD

    I still say he never throws a pitch for the yanks

  • Chris

    For all the BS that MLB does to protect small market teams I can’t believe there isn’t something in the CBA to protect teams from something like this.

    Look, if both teams in good faith trade a player and one player gets hurt and never plays for you then they should get a draft pick as compensation if you elect to release the player. It seems fair.

  • http://yahoo robert ortiz

    Me parece que pineda no lanzara una bola para los yankees. fue el peor de los cambios de sr.cahsman.

  • http://yahoo robert ortiz

    pineda never pitch one ball for the yankees