Nov
05

Monday Night Open Thread

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If you’re looking for some quality and thought-provoking Monday night reading, I highly recommend this piece by Cliff Corcoran. Cliff, as you probably know, is a long-time Yankees blogger who currently plies his trade at SI.com, and within the piece he discusses becoming a lapsed Yankees fan. I agree with some of his points and disagree with others, but I can definitely relate to the piece and found it interesting. Make sure you check it out, I think it’s a must-read for any Yankees fan these days.

Once you’re done with that, use this as your open thread. The Monday Night Football game is the Eagles at the Saints, plus there’s various NBA action going on as well. I know the election is coming up, but please keep politics out of the thread. There are other places to discuss that stuff. Thanks in advance.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Mike Myers

    Im voting for this Bill Clinton guy. I hear he is good with the ladies.

    • Big Member

      hey blowjobs better than no jobs….

  • Giancarlo Stanton 2017
  • Francesa

    It’s his life and Corcoran can do whatever he wants. No need to dramatize or rationalize it. I do find it laughable that he thinks that being “objective” will help him achieve his journalistic goals. As if the vast majority of baseball writers don’t wear their fandom on their sleeves, some even proudly and brazenly. Many even win awards and are installed in a wing of the HOF. But I’m sure not being a Yankees fan will reap Corcoran more employment opportunities in the national media. That says more about his “lapsed” fan status than anything else. Fine, we all need to make a living. Just don’t need to write a tear-jerker about it.

  • Cris Pengiucci

    Hey Tilapia, is your friend’s place (Bogota) in Park Slope easily accessible via subway and is that line running?

    • Cris Pengiucci

      BTW, I should mention that my wife’s limit for walking as about a block, maybe two. :-)

      • Robinson Tilapia

        We may need to stretch her definition of walking for NYC.

        Q to 7th Ave., 2/3 to Bergen St., pretty much anything to Atlantic/Barclays (barf!).

        About a 5-10 minute walk from any of them.

        Website’s http://www.bogotabistro.com

  • jjyank

    I can’t say I agree with much of that article. If you’ve become disenfranchised, that sucks. Scale back the fandom then, be a casual fan. But all the discussion of changing teams completely? The thought of molding his daughter into a Phillies fan? To each their own, I suppose, but there is no depth the Yankees could ever sink to that would make me (or any potential future children of mine) even consider being a fan of another team. I guess I feel bad for him.

    • Alkaline

      I concur. For me, I had half my family as Indians fans and half as Yankees. My first game with them was an Indians/Yanks game. My brother got me a Tino jersey; he hit a homerun that day. When you’re ten, that seals the deal. It’s a part of me. It’s an event that transcends the game for me and very…..Fields of Dream-ish.

      • jjyank

        For sure. I shook Bernie Williams’ hand (my favorite player of all time), I have signed balls by David Wells, David Cone, Bernie, Yogi, and a couple others. I bleed Pinstripes. I may become unhappy with the team someday, but I could never stop being a fan.

        • I am not the droids you’re looking for…(I believe that children are our future)

          Dude how the fuck did you get all those guys to sign your balls?

    • Bob Buttons

      Closest ever was me swearing to stop supporting them if they trade Montero away.

      Of course by the time Pineda trade happened I started rationalizing and made excuses. I can see people getting disappointed and not check on the team for weeks but unless you’re moving to another state or something it ain’t easy changing allegiance.

      P.S. Thank goodness for auto-correct. Couldn’t spell allegiance after five tries.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)
    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      This is why I love tumblr.

    • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

      That was… interesting.

    • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

      They could’ve at least cleaned up a little bit before shooting this.

      • jjyank

        Yeah, but they girl is kinda hot. I’m cool with the unmade beds :D

  • TomH

    About the only thing I found compelling in the article was the point about the new stadium. I’m not a New Yorker, and have only been to the new stadium once–insufficient for making a judgment. However, I’ve heard or read this complaint too many times now to dismiss it. An over-priced stadium, primarily concerned with the “carriage trade,” is bad. Including for business as well as for loyalty to one’s fans.

  • murg

    Not sure why you “highly” recommend this whining, self-aggrandizing tripe. Not much substance here.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    I didn’t enjoy the article because it did come of as a little whiny, but I understand the guy’s overall point. I disagree with it though, every dynasty ends. I’m sure the team that won 5 World Series’ in a row thought they were going to be competitive forever, as well as their fans. I’m sure the teams of the late 70s thought they were going to be perennial juggernauts, then the 80s happened. The Braves of the early 90s thought they were going to be winners forever too. Also look to our neighbors to the north in Boston. Both the Patriots and the Red Sox see their windows for greatness closing and already closed, respectively.

    My point to him, and all Yankee fans, is that eventually these glory days that stretch all the way back to the late 90s will one day end…I’m almost sure that our generation of fans will experience what the team went through in the mid to late 80s at some point in our lives. It’s the cyclical nature of sports,, things end, people retire, players, managers, coaches, front office people, owners, change.

    • jjyank

      Yep. Like I said above, there is no circumstance that would make me abandon the team I loved since I was 5. I get that people are different. But I don’t understand Corcoran, at all.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I can only think of one thing which would make me take a break and, of course, it will never happen, and it’s stupid to even think about.

        I don’t think I could openly support the Yankees if the fantasy scenario of Donald Trump buying the team ever actually happened.

        • jjyank

          Ha. I hate Trump too, but I would still support the Yankees. I would just morph into dalelama or stuart a and make every post here about taking down Trump.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I’d never stop being a fan, but I could see myself cheating on them with the Mets or something if this (which will never happen) happened.

            • Darren

              Out of the frying pan into the Madoff

        • Bo Knows

          Meh, he’d just file bankruptcy, 5 years down the road and be forced to sell the team, remember this is Donald “I’ve filed for bankruptcy 4 times” Trump

  • MB923

    I didn’t see any article posted by Mike, and not sure if any of you heard the news, but Joakim Soria’s agent says Soria would be a set-up man for Mo.

    I remember in 2011 Cashman was actually thinking of trading Montero for him. Yes he is coming off TJS but if I’m Cashman I sill go after him. Don’t give him a Soriano type contract, but 2 years/$15 million or so could get it done. I do expect teams looking for a closer might offer more years and money though.

    Also, I’d pay him more his first year than his 2nd year if the Yankees want to get under the cap.

    • jjyank

      http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ested.html

      Link for everyone. I’d be all over that. Gotta be a 1 year deal though, coming off the injury. No way the Yankees can get Soria AND Madson, but I would be thrilled if they could snag one of them.

      • Steve (different one)

        One year with a reasonable team option to close in 2014.

        • jjyank

          Sure. I’m cool with a team option. I’d be wary of a guaranteed second year though.

    • jjyank

      Also, didn’t see the last sentence. AAV is all that matters for the luxury cap. Doesn’t matter if it’s front loaded.

      • MB923

        Ahh you’re right about the AAV. I actually read this news earlier today from Andrew Marchant. Surprised MLBTR didn’t have that up sooner since it was from 1:30 this afternoon.

    • Steve (different one)

      The cap goes by average salary, so it doesn’t matter what year the $$ is in

      • MB923

        Thanks.

        I assume contracts that have options in them do not count as part of the AAV of it then in the option year if it was accepted? Like Jeter for instance I believe has an $8 million option for 2014 which we know he’ll accept, unless he declines it and gets more greedy

  • your mom

    So Joakim Soria would set up for the Yankees and isn’t “greedy”. “He would be elated to work with Mo” and play for a contender. Cashman, get on this shit ASAP!!!

    • Bob Buttons

      I think all you need to know is that he isn’t represented by Boras.

  • Steve (different one)

    I get the part about the new stadium, ticket prices, etc. I don’t mind the new stadium, but that’s a legit position to hold.

    But “I don’t like the Yankees anymore because they never have a losing season!” is ridiculous. That’s like taking a pile of Pirates and Royals fans, lighting them on fire, and then pissing on the flames.

    • jjyank

      Agreed completely. I like the new stadium, actually. I’ve been to games there like 5-6 times since it opened. Not a lot in the scheme of things, I know, but I really do like it. If you don’t, that’s cool. But I, for one, feel blessed that they Yankees have remained in legitimate contention for so many consecutive years. I would never hope for a losing season. I agree, that part seemed ridiculous to me. “Maybe my daughter can be a Phillies fan because they suck more than the Yankees?” Please. That really turned me off to his article.

    • FIPster Doofus

      As a fan of the Bills, arguably the worst organization in the NFL, I can say that losing is horrible and anyone who wants to see his/her team lose is being a moron. There is nothing boring about making the playoffs annually and always being a championship contender.

    • McLovin

      Winning never gets old

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I think Corcoran must comment here under 20 different names always wanting the Yankees to blow up the ship. The man just can’t wait for the team to do some losin’!

  • Jack67

    “Once a Yankee, always a Yankee.”

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I guess the real question here is whether Cliff Corcoran will become more or less of a Yankee fan now that he can kiss my ass.

  • BigLoving

    Although I don’t agree with all his points I tend to agree with him about the stadium and the change of direction involving the franchise since the boss stepped down. Although George was crazy at times his sole priority was to put the best team on the field time after time and also hold his players to the highest standard possible. Nowadays its just a corporation catering to other corporations. There is more energy in the seats of a opera house than the seats in modern day YS. I personally feel like the entire front office is giving me a giant middle finger after paying for tickets, food and drinks and any souvenirs why Cashman preaches about getting under the luxury tax for “financial benefits”. The new Yankees are clearly saying fuck you to the normal middle class fan and counting their dollars. I have had a sour taste in my mouth for a while and it has nothing to do with winning too much….it has to do with the new regime and the way they treat the fans….the real fans.

    • jjyank

      Say what you will about the Stadium, but the 189 budget has much more to do with Selig and the new CBA than it does with the Steinbrenner kids.

    • Rocky Road Redemption

      I’m sorry, but the opera house line isn’t just an exaggeration, it’s downright false.

      I’ll keep telling this story-this year I was at a September game against the Blue Hays. Phil Hughes was pitching, and the Yankees were very much still slumping BIG time. The game ended up being a 2-1 win.

      The Stadium was ROCKING-one of the coolest experiences I’ve ever had. The later the game went the louder and crazier the place got. Really cool.

      My cousin was at the Ibanez double HR playoff game, and she says that when Ibanez hit the first home run the crowd went absolutely ballistic.

      Here’s a secret about the tickets: Get them as cheap as you can, no matter where you’re sitting. I had ten dollar bleacher seats, and I should have gotten cheaper seats. The Stadium has incredible sight lines. Just go down to ground level and stand and watch the game. You’re right next to the field and have an awesome view of everything. You can sit and watch early on in the game and then later when things get more tense go down and take a look.

      The Stadium gets a rap for treating the fans badly and it really doesn’t hold up under scrutiny. If people don’t see a ton of seats filled later in the games that’s probably because the fans are standing to get a closer look.

      The fans are really treated very well at the Stadium.

  • Yankonymous

    The Yanks should resign Ichiro to a one year deal, swap Gardner and Granderson, and have the best defensive OF in baseball.

    Pierzynski on a 2 year deal should make up for Swisher’s offense, while Romine platoons against LH pitchers.

    • FIPster Doofus

      No to all of it.

  • Jonathan

    My Dad’s name is David Ross and played for the Yankees in the 60?s before he tore his shoulder up (back then if you tore your shoulder up badly enough that was it and obviously even today that’s still true). Still he got a chance to play a few games with Mickey at the end of his career. He was also a catcher so it would be incredibly cool to see another David Ross catching for the Yankees. Proof is in the draft results below.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/history.....sorted_by=

  • dalelama

    Despite this Yankee team’s post season choke propensities, lack of gamers, and steroid cheater filled cleanup spot I still root for them. Though this year’s team was hard to root for. The lack of hustle, poor fundamentals, and dearth of heart lead to a very predictable early exit. An empty farm system combined with a roster full of bloated unmovable contracts for serial folders may make Corcoran a Yankee fan again very soon.

    • Dave

      I see the Red Sox trolls are back.

  • Dave

    Mike, why would anyone want to read Cliff’s whining? I don’t want this guy to be a Yankee fan if he hates winning.

    NY/NJ has real problems right now with Sandy. We don’t need to read some garbage from some out of touch whiner who thinks anyone cares what team he or his daughter roots for. Get some perspective!!!

  • DSFC

    Apparently Cliff Corcoran isn’t a Knicks fan, because if he were he’d know that there are worse problems to have as a sports fan than a team that wins too much. The Knicks decade from hell was an absolutely horrific experience.