Nov
21

On trading Curtis Granderson

By

(AP Photo/Julio Cortez)

Over the last two seasons, Robinson Cano has been the Yankees’ only position player more productive than Curtis Granderson. The team’s 31-year-old center fielder disappointed to a tune of 43 homers and a 116 wRC+ this year, yet the Yankees still exercised his no-brainer $15M club option after the season. Strikeouts or not, that type of power is next to impossible to find.

Granderson is scheduled to become a free agent after next season and due to a number of factors, including the team’s desire to get under the $189M luxury tax threshold by 2014, it’s unlikely they’ll look to re-sign him to a new contract. It’s always possible, a lot sure can change in a year, but right now it seems unlikely. Since he only has that one year left on his contract, Buster Olney wondered if the Grandyman would be a surprise trade candidate this offseason. Here’s his Insider-only blurb…

Curtis Granderson: The New York Yankees picked up his $15 million option for 2013, but given their other payroll concerns, it figures they would listen to trade offers for him. Granderson clubbed 43 homers last season, though he hit just .232 and struck out 195 times. For an interested team willing to give up a prospect, he could provide a big jolt of power without requiring the massive long-term investment.

A left-handed hitter with big power, Granderson has been an excellent fit for Yankee Stadium. But he hit 17 homers in 81 road games last season, as well, which was among the most in the majors.

Now just to be clear, Olney isn’t saying the Yankees are shopping Granderson or that they’ve received inquires about his availability, he’s just wondering aloud if his favorable contract situation will spark interest. He notes an NL executive framed it as: would you rather have Granderson at one year and $15M or Michael Bourn at $80-100M? What about Josh Hamilton at five years and $125M? The free agent market appears to be in “one extra year” mode early on, meaning every non-Hiroki Kuroda player who signs is getting one more year than originally expected. It’s kinda scary.

Brian Cashman likes to say none of his players are untouchable in trades, but some are more touchable than others. He’d certainly listen if someone asked about Granderson, but at the same time he’s already trying to replace one really productive outfielder this offseason. It would be close to impossible to lose both Nick Swisher and Granderson in one offseason and come out as a better team. Maybe they’d be better in the long run, but they certainly wouldn’t be better in 2013. Since the Yankees figure to take a step back under the 2014 payroll plan, contending in 2013 would be damn well appreciated.

In a mailbag earlier month, I said the Yankees could probably fetch two good prospects for Granderson in a trade, but that’s based on recent trades involving similar players with one year left on their contract. Perhaps the state of the free agent market scares a team into offering a third prospect, who knows. The point I’m trying to make here is that while the Yankees should be open to dealing Granderson if the right offer comes along, I don’t think they should look to move him unless they get blown away. His value to the team in 2013 is big even if he strikes out 200 times and moves to a corner in deference to Brett Gardner. The Yankees are losing enough offense as it is this winter, but moving Granderson on top of that takes away two of their three best hitters over the last few years. That would be very tough to recover from given the rest of the roster.

  • Blake

    Only way you can trade him is if you either sign for or trade for somebody as good or better to replace him in the lineup…..if you can trade for Justin Upton and trade Granderson to recoup prospects then cool……but that may not be possible.

    • MannyGeee

      “trade for somebody as good or better to replace him in the lineup…”

      I am not sure that guy exists… outside of Justin Upton (jury is still out as to if he’s actually “better” or the hot trade target Soup of the Day), I think you’d be hard pressed to find five guys who fit the bill better, let alone that are available via trade… Seriously, name them. 5 “better” outfielders that are signed to palatable contracts (or under team control) past 2013 that could come close to Granderson’s production:

      Harper?
      Trout?
      Stanton?
      A-Jax (and that’s a MAAAAAAAAJOR stretch)

      none of the three appear to be available.

      • MannyGeee

        and the aforementioned Upton… my bad.

        • Preston

          You wouldn’t need to replace Granderson the player because Gardner can play CF, you just have to replace his bat. Granderson ranked 31st in both wOBA and wRC+. So there are plenty of guys who could approximate his offensive production. The problem is that Nick Swisher ranked 14th and 13th in those categories. So we would need to acquire two top 30 OF bats, which would be difficult.

          • MannyGeee

            You need to replace his production… and place that batter where?

            in the outfield.

            • Preston

              Sorry, the rankings I’m talking about were of all OFers in 2012. My point being that replacing Curtis’s offense in CF is really hard. Getting a corner guy to do the same isn’t quite as hard. But since we need two, it would still be difficult.

      • Stan the Man

        Harper?
        Trout?
        Stanton?
        A-Jax (and that’s a MAAAAAAAAJOR stretch)

        none of the three appear to be available.

        Umm all of the players mentioned above are currently better overall players than Granderson and it isn’t a stretch at all.

        • MannyGeee

          OK, I’ll play along. All 4 better, although an argument can be made that Austin Jackson is on par, not better.

          0 of the 4 are available. my point was “trade for somebody as good or better to replace him in the lineup…” seems to be easier said than done.

          But you know, anytime we talk about trading away anything, these conversations become cray cray. a reeeeeeeeeal shit storm.

          • Stan the Man

            I am not saying those players are available, but that has more to do with the fact that those players are all better than Granderson right now. If Granderson could consistently put up 2011 seasons then we are not having this discussion at all, the Yanks would keep him and wouldn’t think twice about it. The problem however is Granderson hasn’t done that consistently.

          • Hitman 23

            What about Alex Gordon.

  • Chas131

    Nats send prospects to AZ Yankees throw in M. Williams and nats get Curtis, yanks get upton. Yanks give 1year of grandy and their best prospect for Upton.

    • MannyGeee

      maybe. I would think Washington would want more than 1 year worth of anything they trade prospects for. I would also think Washington would need to throw in some pitching, maybe even Storen.

  • viridiana

    Trading Granderson should definitely be considered.

    It could in fact be the first step to rebuilding this team, which like it or not is going to be necessary. I would also consider trading Hughes (especially if Pettitte can be re-signed). Granderson could then be traded to an offense-hungry team that has surplus pitching. Hughes conversely could be traded to an offense-laden team that needs starters. So the return for both dosn’t have to be prospects. You may get back young veterans who can begin to plug gaps. Sitting back and doing nothing — knowing that you will not re-sign Grandy and Hughes because of budget issues going forward– is really a waste of resources.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      The objective is to win. You wouldn’t be getting nothing for Granderson or Hughes. You’d be getting a year of both and a draft pick for at least one of them. Unless the trade return is definitely worth more than that, it makes sense to keep both. With the payroll limits possibly coming in 2014, 2013 may be the best chance for the team to win for a while. No sense in rebuilding when the team is still a legit contender. It makes sense to rebuild when the team doesn’t have a realistic chance of winning, not while it still can win.

      • JU

        With the payroll limits try may also be the beat time to trade from a position of strength and start stocking reinforcements for the invetible budget. The objective is to win, but also to build a sustainable organization. Not go for broke this year and scramble to fill holes for three yrs while doing it on a budget. It’s called a preemptive strike

  • stu phillips

    If you dont trade him,you dont get nothing. Trade him now. Team not going anywhere any how.!!!!!

    • steve (different one)

      but team need runs!

    • jjyank

      The team coming off the best record in the AL is going nowhere? Riiiiight.

      • Hendo

        I understand the production that Granderson provides, but best record in the AL is not the goal of this team. When we remeber the teams the bombers had in the late 90’s we think of contact/situational hitting. The Giants have won two of the last three titles, with that same approach. This team is designed for Yankees stadium not for the post season. They do not hit good pitching i.e. TIGERS two years in a row. If they dont hit homers they dont win period.

        • jjyank

          “This team is designed for Yankees stadium not for the post season.”

          The problem with this is that there is no magic formula to win in the post season. The best record in the league is absolutely one of the goals of any team. Once you get into the playoffs, anything can happen. Including the Yankees hitting home runs and winning games.

          • Stan the Man

            The Yankees always have the best record in the AL, they had the best record in the AL when Melky Cabrera and Brett Gardner were partolling CF in 2009, so Granderson is a very replaceable player and the Yanks should absolutely consider trading him. I wouldn’t give him away by any stretch, but if you can get better all around ball players then they should do it.

            • jjyank

              Yes, of course they should consider a trade if it will make the team better. But your logic is a bit flawed in the rest of this comment. Melky and Gardner were in the outfield, but they also had a pre-decline A-Rod and Tex in the line up that balanced that out. They still had Posada as well. So Granderson is absolutely not “a very replaceable player”.

              • Stan the Man

                Yes, they also had Matsui and Damon and others, but the point is they aren’t going to replace Granderson with crap. My assumption is the Yanks will get a playr or players that will make the team better. 40 Hr’s doesn’t need to replaced, if you upgrade OF defense, base running, overall hitting, then you have effectively replaced Granderson. So I was wrong in saying he “very replaceable” but he is replaceable.

                • jjyank

                  Sure, almost every player is technically replaceable, especially when we’re talking about a nameless hypothetical player that is better than Granderson at every other facet of the game and the Yankees magically acquire said nameless player.

                  You need to consider the cost of acquiring this player and add the lost value that Granderson provides. You can’t just assume that the Yankees can trade Granderson and replace him with a better player.

                  • Stan the Man

                    Since neither myself or you will be making the trade this whole excerise is hypothetical. Reality is there are players that are better than Curtis Granderson, so trading him is a realistic option for the Yanks and it wouldn’t necessarily make them a worse team if they trade him. He is a good player with one great attribute, he didnt’ have a great year last year, but is one year removed from a great year. I am sure if the Yanks do trade him they will get a good haul in return and we will be on here talking about the Yanks won another trade.

                    • jjyank

                      Most of the players better than Granderson won’t be available. And if you’re trading him for prospects, you are both making the team worse in the short run, and taking a gamble in the long run. There is a very real possibility that Granderson’s value in 2013 + a comp round draft pick will have more value than the prospects he’s traded for.

                    • MannyGeee

                      Correction JJ… All of one player available better than Curtis on the FA market. Hamilton is one part short term upgrade and 29 times ticking time bomb

  • benji

    A team like Seattle would love to have a guy like Grandy and they have plenty of pitching prospects. Also i like the idea of trading Nova or Hughes to KC for Alex Gordon. You flip what u get from Grandy for Upton and there is your OF.

    • http://yankeeanalysts.com Matt Imbrogno

      “A team like Seattle would love to have a guy like Grandy and they have plenty of pitching prospects. Also i like the idea of trading Nova or Hughes to KC for Alex Gordon. You flip what u get from Grandy for Upton and there is your OF.”

      Don’t think KC likes that idea very much.

    • glp

      Of course you like the idea of Nova or Hughes for Gordon, but neither of them would be able to get him.

  • Tim

    No way in heck do you trade him, and lose 70 Hr’s in the process, Swish 27 Hrs, and Grandy 41+ Hrs. NO WAY! Especially if Ichiro and his 10 HR’s is re-signed to play RF. NO WAY!

    • Kosmo

      Obviously NY would have to fill the power void, if indeed Granderson is traded.

    • Stan the Man

      I know homeruns are important, but homeruns aren’t what you win you ball games. You need more than just homeruns and that is all these particular players provide. Neither player is a great all around hitter, its all or nothing. It wouldn’t be a bad idea to diversify their offensive approach by trading away a guy that was a big reason why they struggled offensively at times last year.

      • Captain

        “I know homeruns are important, but homeruns aren’t what you win you ball games”

        OAKTAG

      • Preston

        This idea that the Yankees are some collective version of Mark Reynolds is absolutely crazy. Yes we ranked first as a team in ISO and ranked third in walks. But we also ranked 8th in BA and had the 10th lowest K rate. We are not subpar in either of these categories.

  • Kosmo

    The Phillies have maybe 3 OF positions to fill by ST. Granderson for Ethan Martin and Jonathan Pettibone, 2 OK pitching prospects.
    As others have mentioned NY could be involved in a deal that would then make Granderson expendable. He walks after this season so I don´t see NY extending him for big bucks for example 4-5 years 64-80 mil deal.

  • There’s the Door

    A great guy and a good player, but how much would you rather have the raft of guys we gave up to get him? A down year is coming for the club like a bus up 6th Avenue. Get what you can while you can.

  • diRoma

    Trade Granderson and the Killer B’s for Stanton.

    • RetroRob

      A young, major power, low-cost OFer under team control for years, for a one-year rental costing $15M, a lost prospect and and injured prospect.

      The Marlins trade away players like Granderson, don’t acquire them.

      Less-than-zero chance the Marlins would consider it.

      • thenamestsam

        What if we turn “Force Trades” on in the options menu?

        • diRoma

          I mean the yanks would have to throw in some other prospects and players (Nova/Hughes, maybe Warren/Bichette) but I think it could happen with the way the Marlins are working right now. Its like MVP ’05 up in here!

    • MannyGeee

      38 of their 40 man Roster don’t make $15M combined.

      Sooooooooooo, not likely. You obviously don’t know the definition of Fire Sale, huh. And also, didnt follow baseball back in the old days (like 1997 and 2003 when the Marlins did this the last time)

  • LarryM., Fl.

    It’s obvious unless the Yankees do trade Granderson, it will be very difficult to not get under the 189 figure which is not so low in regards to other clubs coupled with ability to win at that figure. The budget has some inherent issues with Teix,, Arod and Jeter salaries clogging the path to youth and 189.

    I like Grandy. He plays hard but is a disappointment at .232 and 195 strike outs. K. Long’s magic is gone with Grandy. Some team with the n looking for power may be interested. I will not speculate on the return because I’m not part of the conversation with the trade. If and when it is done then we can discuss the merits of the trade.

  • Bertin Lefkovic

    Trade Robinson Cano, Curtis Granderson, and Eduardo Nunez to the Rangers for Elvis Andrus, Ian Kinsler, and Michael Young. Trade A-Rod to the Angels, Cubs, or Dodgers for Vernon Wells, Alfonso Soriano, or Carl Crawford.

  • The Real Eddard

    You have to trade him. He will not be re-signed. He’s not a center fielder anymore. Gardner is the future and should be in CF. See what you can get for Granderson, re-sign Ichiro, re-sign Raul. Pick up another right handed outfielder and we’ll be a better ballclub.

    • Preston

      Granderson isn’t a CF anymore, TRADE HIM!!!! Ichiro isn’t a CF anymore, SIGN HIM!!!! Get back on your meds.

      • tom

        which games have you watched he is a lousy hitter but a great center feilderom

    • Jim Is Bored

      You really are the king of oversimplification.

      So you would trade Granderson for a bag of balls? What if you can’t get remotely close to fair value for him? Why on God’s Green Earth would you trade him?

      He still has value this year, which it seems you’re just completely discarding.

  • Jeff Keppinger Bandwagon

    I’m all for trading Granderson, mostly because the Yanks could get top prospects back for a guy they won’t resign next year, and then they could choose to allocate the $15M he makes this year to overpay for someone on a 1 year contract.

    Lets say you get a team to offer you multiple good prospects. You could take that offer and then use the $15M off the payroll to go sign Dan Haren to a 1 year, $12-15M deal. You also then have the option of swinging those prospects for Justin Upton.

    Replacing Swisher and Granderson really wouldn’t be that hard a thing to do. 1. Brett Gardner is coming back. He should be playing full time. He is the best defensive outfielder in baseball and he’s posted a WAR at our above Granderson’s WAR in 2012 every year he’s gotten PT.

    To replace Swish, I’d be fine with signing Youkilis for 1 year and letting him fake left or right. He’s been a plus defender at first and third, and has been one of the most versatile players in the league over his career. His production at the plate would probably even surpass Swisher’s despite his down 2012 season.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      To replace Swish, I’d be fine with signing Youkilis for 1 year and letting him fake left or right.

      Please tell me that this is a joke. Please.

      Youk hasn’t played in 125 games in any of the last 3 seasons, and has NEVER played in 150 games. Last year was the 1st since 2005 that Swisher hasn’t played in 150 games (he played in 148).

      Oh, and I guess you missed that game against the Yanks when Youk was with the Sux and he tried to “fake” LF.

      Thankfully, Cash doesn’t take input from fans.

    • MannyGeee

      Swisher is the perfect outfielder of the Sawx. JHe wont have to worry about performing in October… AmiRite?!?!?!

    • Captain

      His production at the plate would probably even surpass Swisher’s despite his down 2012 season.
      please tell me that this is a joke.

      since Swisher came to the Yankees, his OPS+ has been 122, 129, 120, 126
      Youkilis’ in that time: 123, 99, 85, 106

      lets stick him in a position where he would hurt the team and hope he reverses a 5 year trend.

    • Jim Is Bored

      What team is going to offer top prospects for granderson?

      No teams. That’s the answer.

    • Block

      Youkilis. Get real

  • Tim

    $189M cap is next season (2104) not 2013. Not trading Grandy in 2013 has nothing to do with next season (2014), he’s a FA in 2014. There’s no way that Grandy gets traded,none imho and wanting to is ludicrous. Say what you will but he had a historic season in 2011 and hit over 40 hrs in 2012, those kinds of players don’t grow on trees. I think he’s one of those players that can carry a team. Sure he needs to cut down on K’s, that’s a no-brainer. I say at least see what he brings to the table in ST and if the new contacts allow him to see the ball better and cut down on K’s and he’s still hitting triples and stealing bases and peppering the RF wall then keep in 2013. JMHO

    • Kosmo

      the fact is he never carries the team.

      • Stan the Man

        Which he doesn’t.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Unless he can’t.

          /Adding to the double negative

    • Block

      Good Point.

  • Paco Dooley

    Presumably trading for Grandy is worth more to a team as an off-season acquisition than a deadline deal since he could return a draft pick if you have him for the entire season. So I would look now to see what is out there when he has maximum value.

    I just hope that the $189m cap doesn’t scare them from making a bunch of qualifying offers again next year. Two extra draft picks this year (or at least what looks to be two extra picks) plus a pick or two next year would help load the farm system

  • titit

    Trade Granderson and flip the prospects, plus some for Justin Upton, sign BJ and move Gardner to center.

  • Tim

    Wow there are some absolutely insane comments on this thread. Sign Youkilis? Wow! The Yankees will keep Grandy, re-sign Ibanez and re-sign Ichiro to play RF. Would love to see them also sign Scott Hairston and re-sign Chavez.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      I’m not certain the Yankees will keep Granderson, but I don’t see them forcing a trade and getting a poor return. I think they’d move him if they felt they had a solid enough outfield and could replace a good amount of the power they lost with both he & Swisher leaving.

      As for your proposed OF, I could see that happening, but I would prefer a solid RH OF with a bit of pop to Ichiro if one is available.

  • Reggie C.

    Would BJ Upton sign for a lower AAS than Bourn? Perhaps..

    If so, BJ wouldnt be a dramatic offensive drop off from Granderson and defensively represent an upgrade. Trading for Justin Upton just doesn’t seem realistic bc the Yanks do not have the prospect depth that AZ wants at certain positions.

    Yes. I’d trade Granderson for the right prospect. If the Mets can get Zach Wheeler for Beltran … Cashman should get a similar top 25 prospect pitcher too.

  • mitch

    Granderson + Gary Sanchez for Mike Olt + David Murphy

  • Duh Innings

    No way to the Yanks giving Michael Bourn $80-100M. He has a career .272/.339/.365/.704 slashline so he can’t hit for average, get on base, or hit for power. Only 22 HR and 215 RBI across 7 years. ‘Had a career-high 155 strikeouts in 2012. He smacks alot of triples but he’s hit over 27 doubles only once (34 in 2011.) He turns 30 on December 27. So he’s basically a hybrid of Curtis Granderson minus the power (since both players are centerfielders) and Brett Gardner with less OBP.

    I say give Nick Swisher two years at $10.25M a year (what he made in 2012) with a mutual $10.25M option ($2M buyout) for 2015 for minimum $23.5M total, maximum $30.75M and be done with it.

    Reports have the Red Sox interested in him. Does he really want to sign with a 69-win loser? I don’t think he would. If he thinks the Bleacher Creatures were bad in the 2012 postseason, wait until he gets off to a poor start or has a bad stretch whenever with Boston – their fans will eat him alive five times as badly. The rightfield fans are up close and personal at Fenway. Btw, he’s covering all that ground out there? I think he’d have to play LF and if he did could he handle The Big Green Monster? He better or he’s costing the Red Sox at least two games on his defense alone.

    I want Paul O’Neill put in a call to Swish and tell Swish he took less to be a Yankee and to consider that.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      give Nick Swisher two years at $10.25M a year (what he made in 2012) with a mutual $10.25M option ($2M buyout) for 2015 for minimum $23.5M total, maximum $30.75M and be done with it.

      You do realize that someone is going to offer him a LOT more than this, right? So why would he do it?

    • Mike Myers

      Why do people keep thinking we can get Swisher for 2 or 3 years. He is going to get 5 easy. 60MM+ easy. Melky and that old guy from the angels got 2 years god gods sakes.

      • Reggie C.

        yeah.

        Someone will offer Swisher four guaranteed years. I go back & forth between the logic of offering one of these two contracts: 3/42 and 4/52.

        If the Red Sox or Braves feel brave and offer Swisher that 5th year … well, it was nice knowin ya!

        • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

          4? Try 5. And my guess is 5 with a team option for 6.

    • Stan the Man

      Swisher is gone, no way the Yanks bring him back after his post-seasons. Good clubhouse guy but this team needs to change it up, the power numbers are great but a nutless monkey that bats lefty could hit 15 HR’s playing 81 games at Yankee Stadium. Shoot Mark Reynolds nearly hit 15 HR’s last year at Yankee Stadium.

    • DC

      Who said the Yankees were going after Bourne?

  • keith

    Agreed. With the Dollar General mentality of the current administration we need to cut.No way around it. So we will get the best prospects the sooner we pull the trigger. trade him for the best prospects that we can get.If its a young corner outfielder the better.I think we can survive the loss of Swisher and Grandy.Personally I would rather see them get a couple contact hitters in the OF rather than the all or nothing approach.

  • MannyGeee

    Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it. A few years back the Yankees traded another slugging outfielder (with an in house replacement already, mind you) after picking up his $12M club option. The Yankees received 3 (!) pitching prospects in return. That man was Gary Sheffield, and the Yankees turned him into Humberto Sanchez, Kevin Whelan and Anthony Claggett.

    The moral of this story is, sometimes the return isn’t as good as the reward.

    I am not saying Sheff and Granderson are the same or even comparable players or people- by the contrary, Granderson is by all accounts a great guy and Sheff was and is a horrible horrible person. But from the business side, “Trade him for Prospectz!!!!11!” is rarely as simple as it seems on paper.

    And by no means am I saying don’t trade Granderson, one could say there is a smart business case to do so. I’m just sayin what I’m sayin

    • Mike Myers

      Thank you. Why does everone think we should be in a Tampa Bay always rebuild mode. Yankees are supposed to go for the gold, and we have a better chance with the Grandy-MAN

      • MannyGeee

        Also not what I’m saying. All I’m saying is that there is an argument to say that the “trade him now before you get nothing next off-season” mentality may very well land you with nothing but AAA fodder this season and short 30+ home runs this season as well.

        NO one has the crystal ball. You could get the next Robinson Cano by trading Granderson, you could get the next Humberto Sanchez.

        Seller Beware is the moral of the story.

    • jjyank

      Agreed totally. I think too many people just got too riled up about the post season showing and Granderson’s strike outs and just want him gone. But change is not always good, and too many people lose sight of the golden rule of prospect hugging. Nobody is a sure thing until they’re doing it in the majors.

      • Stan the Man

        2009 – 103/59
        2010 – 95/67
        2011 – 97/65
        2012 – 95/67

        You’re right change isn’t always good the Yanks probably never should have traded for Granderson.

        • gc

          Wow. This is all you can come up with? Quit while you’re behind.

          • jjyank

            As far as I’m concerned, he lost all his credibility in this thread once he became the “home runs don’t win ball games” guy. I’m not surprised.

            • Stan the Man

              Do I need to formulate an equation for you guys to understand? I didn’t realize the team that hits the most homeruns always wins the game. My simple mind only understands that more runs than your opponent wins games.

              • jjyank

                …and home runs are the most efficient way to score those runs.

                They win plenty of ball games. Like, a lot of them.

                • Stan the Man

                  Correct, they aren’t the only reason though. No reason to overrate the home run, teams can win a lot of ball games by not being reliant on home runs. The Yanks will be a pretty good team, maybe even a dominant team if they diversify their offensive approach.

                • Block

                  jj you sound like you understand baseball.
                  Iv’e followed Yanks since 61. They won many
                  games due to H.R. in 12. Grandy has most
                  homers in the game past 2 seasons. Bad move
                  to trade him after a semi-bad year. Will have
                  monster season in walk year.

                  j you sound like you know the game.Iv’e followed yanks since

              • gc

                Yet all you posted was the team’s won/loss record. No context to how those wins were tallied, how those runs were scored, which players did the most damage, how those numbers related to the rest of the league, etc etc. A fourth grader could do better homework than you.

                • Stan the Man

                  The comment I responded to was “change isn’t always good” It is a simply statement, so I provided a simple response. There really doesn’t need to be a bigger discussion here, trading Granderson is a viable option, the “change isn’t always good” argument doesn’t really apply here.

                  • jjyank

                    Yes, it does apply. Trading Granderson isn’t a slam dunk to make the team better. It might make the team worse, and this action would qualify as a “change”. If this “change” does not end up being “good”, then “change may not always be good”, which is what I said.

                    I honestly cannot believe I had to explain this.

                    • Stan the Man

                      Yes, it makes perfect sense now thanks for clarifying. I guess the Yanks should not change a thing since they don’t know if it will make them better or worse.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      Ignore ignore ignore. It’s easier on the brain.

                    • jjyank

                      Jim’s right. O:S.

        • Get Phelps Up

          1998 – 114/48
          1999 – 98/64

          The Yankees probably never should have traded for Roger Clemens.
          See how stupid that is?

    • Harris

      Lets not pretend like Sheffield even had a fraction of the value that Granderson has now.

      • MannyGeee

        I only used him as a comparison here in Yankee land. You can go to 50 other trades and see what “Trade him now for Prospects” got their team:

        Carlos Gomez, Phil Humber, Kevin Mulvey and Deolis Guerra wor for Johan in his prime.

        Cliff Lee in his prime for Carlos Carrasco, Jason Knapp, Lou Marson & Jason Donald

        Roy Halladay in his prime for Travis D’Arnaud, Kyle Drabek, and Michael Taylor.

        CC Sabathia for Matt LaPorta, Rob Bryson and Zach Jackson

        Four of the BIGGEST trades of the past 1/2 decade.

        yikes.

        • Preston

          To be fair, Travis D’arnaud is still a really good prospect and could still be a really good player, and Carlos Gomez was a nice player last year, just not for the Twinkies. None of which refutes your point that none of these teams have gotten any production from trading away a star. Just salary relief.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    Granderson/Pitcher for Span?

    • MannyGeee

      Denard? Chil’ Please…

      /Andre’d

      • jjyank

        Yo, + infinity for that reference.

    • Herby

      I’d rather scrounge the waiver list than give up two players including Granderson for Span

  • mick taylor

    how about signing grady sizemore to a cheap 1 year deal with an option for 2014. if he gets healthy he could replace granderson with him in left and gardner in center.

    • Captain

      “if he gets healthy” should be Sizemore’s BBall Reference page slogan. it’s not happening anymore.

      • Preston

        Grady Sizemore actually played games in 2010-2011 and was terrible. Like having a thousand surgeries takes a toll on your body or something. He probably won’t play again period. And even if he does, it won’t be particularly good. The guy who played for the Indians in 2008 is gone.

      • Herby

        Unfortunately I have a feeling the same thing will be said for Gardner in the long run. I don’t expect he’ll be a player to be relied on.

        • Get Phelps Up

          2012 was the first time since becoming a full time player that Gardner didn’t appear in 150 games and it was because of a fluke injury he suffered on a dive.

          • Preston

            Gardner’s two elite tool are his speed and his approach at the plate, so as long as he avoids leg injuries he’ll probably be fine.

  • JLC 776

    This really doesn’t seem to be rocket science here… if the Yankees aren’t likely to contend come the trade deadline, Grandy is high on the list of potential names to move – but just don’t expect to get top talent in return.

    If we can move him in the offseason, then it would have to be for a high-ceiling prospect or it’s a hell of a sign of how the organization is viewing our short-term competitive hopes!

    • JLC 776

      *Although I’m only looking at Grandy by himself. Of course there are package possibilities as well.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        Well, I have a hard time believing that the Yankees won’t be contending come the trade deadline. And, with the new rules in place, waiting that long means your trading partner doesn’t get to make a qualifiying offer to him and potentially get an extra draft pick if he leaves at the end of the season, meaning they’ll offer less in trade.

        If the Yankees are serious about moving him, the offseason is the time to do it. Otherwise, stick with him throughout the season and make a qualifying offer after it’s over. Take the draft pick and hope for the best.

        Or, maybe the Yankees plan to try to retain him long term and re-sign him after the season, but I highly doubt that.

        • JLC 776

          I definitely agree that a lot would have to go wrong for us to trade him mid-season, so if he’s to be moved it’s likely to be during the offseason. Hopefully, for the former, we don’t have to find out.

  • Nathan

    Remove the HRs and Granderson isn’t that great: sub-par defense, low average, low OBP. That said, the last two years he’s hit at least 40 HRs so that’s worth a bit.

    That said, if they could get a decent prospect package and find a power source to replace his, I’d trade Granderson in a heartbeat while you still have him rather than give him the type of contract he’d command.

    • MannyGeee

      if I had 4 legs instead of 2 I’d be an alpaca. you cant dismiss the major power numbers and decide he sucks.

      • Stan the Man

        You don’t have to replace all of the power that would be left behind though. 40+ HR’s is awesome, but isn’t vital to winning and that has been proven time and time again. The Yanks don’t need to be forced into a bad decision and should only make a trade if it improves the club, otherwise why make the trade…but holding on to a declining asset just because of one skill doesn’t make sense either.

      • JLC 776

        I had every intent on agreeing with you, but do keep in mind that the better solution may be to replace Grandy’s power numbers across multiple hitters and not just one. Much easier to chew (and probably better for the team as a whole) that way.

        • MannyGeee

          IN theory, yes. Its easier to spread those power numbers across multiple positions. Meanwhile, every position for 2013 is accounted for except for RF/GraderField (be it LF or CF, depending on how stuff plays out), and catcher.

          The biggest bat you’re gonna get at C is Martin (power-wise, if not average) or Napoli (who is barely a catcher)

          Any power coming out of the OF spot not occupied by Granderson is going to be from Swisher or Hamilton (neither of which is the answer…)

          So while I agree in a bubble, on the 2013 Yankees team, you would be hard pressed to draw any more blood from this stone…

      • Nathan

        I never said he sucks. I consider him a good player but only because of his power. Remove the power and he’s not that great of a player due to the items that I mentioned. He’s not like Cano who does more than one thing well (defense, average, and power).

        So consider keeping an asset with one redeeming quality (that diminishes with age) that would require a substantial contract or losing him vs. trading him for some prospects that are under team control.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Saying 40 HRs is “worth a bit” is one of the funniest things I’ve read today.

      • Nathan

        OK…so I should have said “worth something” instead of “worth a bit”.

        Glad you got a laugh out of it.

    • dalelama

      If the queen had balls she would be king.

  • GoNavy-BeatArmy

    Grandy/Nova/Phelps + prospects for Headley?

    I don’t think the Padres want to trade him, but Nova/Phelps could help that rotation immediately. They would probably ask for a lot in prospects, but I don’t think you could justify saying no to just about any prospect for Headley.

    • MannyGeee

      San Diego dont spend like that.

      • GoNavy-BeatArmy

        What’s to spend on Nova/Phelps and prospects? Perhaps it takes a 3rd team to get Grandy and give more prospects to them, but you know it’s only a matter of time before they trade Headley.

      • Jim Is Bored

        The only financial redeeming quality for SD is that Grandy is only signed for one more year, so there’s really not a huge monetary commitment.

    • Get Phelps Up

      Why would the Padres trade their only good player for someone with one year left on his deal whose game is heavily reliant on power and 2 mid lever pitchers?

      • GoNavy-BeatArmy

        Nova/Phelps help their rotation immediately, mid-level or not. Phelps has more upside (IMO) than Nova, but even Nova has shown he can do well at times. Perhaps moving to the pitcher-friendly PETCO and the NL West would help him even more. In addition, prospects would be also be gained.

        The Padres never sign players so Headley is going to leave at some point anyway. Unless they think holding on to him for the next 3-4 years will generate some sort of additionally value, why would they do so. They clearly are going to win (or even make the playoffs) in the next 3 years.

        At least trading Headley gives them 3 good players plus prospects to continue to play cheap with. Again, they make not want Grandy, but a third team may and could throw prospects into the deal.

        • Get Phelps Up

          “The Padres never sign players”

          Just this past year they gave multi year contract extensions to Cameron Maybin, Nick Hundley, Cory Lubke, Huston Street, Carlos Quentin and Chris Dinorfia.

          • GoNavy-BeatArmy

            LOL — any none of those are even reasonable comparable to what Headley would demand as a FA. He is more in line with the Adrian Gonzalez situation. Headley is never going to sign with them long-term for what they have to offer/spend.

  • Mister D

    37th in wOBA and 49th in fWAR out of 80 MLB OFs with 400+ PAs. If someone wants to buy him as a power hitter putting up declining production in all other facets (and if a reasonable replacement can be found (perhaps someone with the last name Upton)), I say go for it. You’re only trading a year of production.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Another comment section that did not disappoint.

    • jjyank

      It’s kind of sad that large comment totals now mostly just means that a bunch of stupid things were said.

      • Get Phelps Up

        Yeah I woke up and saw 87 comments here and knew exactly what most of them were going to be.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Welcome to every off season where the Yankees didn’t win the World Series.

      • Get Phelps Up

        2010-2011 had a really fun comment section from what I can remember. Even though the Yankees didn’t get Cliff Lee and the Red Sox were going to be better than the 1927 Yankees 1998 Yankees 2008 Yankees. I can only imagine if that was this offseason. Multiply what people are saying about Toronto by like 1000000000.

  • viridiana

    Anybody who leads MLB in HRs over a 2-year period has a lot of value to somebody–even for one year. Cashman seems to feel its lower risk– certainly from a PR standpoint — to trade prospects. Most fans don’t know we once had Austin Jackson or Ian Kennedy or Tyler Clippard. In three years, when he hits 30 HRs, many won’t remember Jesus Montero. I can reach no other conclusion but that Cashman is afraid to trade veterans, even if they’re declinig or on the way out. But holding on to prospects and trading those veterans you can move may be the best — only?– way to rebuild this team, especially with the budget cap looming.

    • Jim Is Bored

      That value might even be to the Yankees.

      This entire thread feels like troll bait. Not directed at you, I agree with most of your comment. Just a general observation.

    • Preston

      The Yankees will always be a team built with veterans. Veterans are much less risky than prospects. Other teams sell off veterans to get prospects and build for the future. The Yankees keep veterans and sell off prospects and pay out FA dollars for slightly younger veterans. Because they don’t rebuild. They want to compete every year. They aren’t going to get a collection of prospects throw three or four rookies on the field at a time and try to compete when/if when those guys develop. That’s just not the way they do business. Not even in the 90’s. Bernie’s rookie season was 91 he didn’t get the full time gig until 93, Derek’s rookie season was in 1996 and Posada’s was 97 although he didn’t start until 98. The Yankees are never going to get younger by fielding a bunch of 22 yo rookies. They get younger by allowing older vets to walk and signing/trading for slightly younger vets and bringing up a rookie who earns the job every now and again. And the formula has worked pretty well the last 17 seasons. And the 189 budget doesn’t really effect that plan. It means they’ll probably need to not spend as extravagantly on the bullpen, and hang on to elite prospects a little more tightly.

      • gc

        +1

      • dalelama

        Never before have they had so much cash tied up in so much garbage though. Again the stupidity of the last Arod deal is an anchor around their neck.

  • craig

    I think Granderson could get you 2 top 10 prospects (not top 3, but top 10 since the acquiring team would recoup a pick at year’s end).

    I also think Cano, if he is going to want $200 million, could be moved for 3 top 10 prospects.

    That would give the Yankees 5 good prospects to use as assets in trades + what they have now. I would imagine you could get Upton, let Cojo or Adams play 2B and still have added to the farm a bit.

    The overall production from Granderson, Swisher and Cano would be replaced by a full year (hopefully) from Gardner, Upton and Cojo/Adams. The Yankees would still be a top 5 team in the AL (assuming Mo and Pettitte come back) and then the postseason is the crapshoot is always is. You would be under the $189 and have added to your farm + the 2 sandwich picks this year.

    Not likely at all…but the Yankees have more cards to play than people realize.

  • Steve

    Granderson . . .He has been a nice player for the Yankees the time he has been here, however you don’t win the World Series by bashing home runs. His Batting average has dropped every year since he’s been here. His defense has dropped every year. Yes, he hit 43 hr’s but hit .232 and was just beyond awful in the post season. And, has been the past couple of post-season. You make your mark on what you do when it counts. Not striking out on a slider down low away EVERYTIME.

    My opinion, His value is pretty high right now. You would fetch more in return for him NOw, then you would next year when you would only received a compensation draft pick. As opposed to let’s say 2-3 minor leaguers. There are teams that are in need of a OF with pop. Trade him for prospects to bolster the farm system. Only, after they have signed Ichiro. Ichiro goes to LF, Gardner goes to CF. They just made their OF defense a lot better and tighter too with the range those two could cover alone. Cody Ross is available, Alex Gordon might be available, Jason Bay (Not a fan) BUT might be a cheap option if they so desired.

    Then, look into the free agent or trade market similar to how they obtained Swisher. Strike while the iron is hot. Granderson is nice, but not needed and can be replaced. His 15 million would fit for most teams. Turn around and invest the 15 million into others pieces that the team needs.They talk alot about getting under 189 million. There’s their first step.

  • Ryan

    Trade Granderson for a couple prospects,re-sign Ichiro, and sign Hamilton. Pay Hamilton more money than other teams, but give less years, 3yrs/90mil or something like that. Gardner in cf, Ichiro in LF, and Hamilton in RF.

  • Wayne

    Unless you can get a young outfielder or position player back who can play defense and hit for contact you really should keep him! If you don’t get that back you are going to miss his 40 home runs in the regular season. Better off getting a draft pick for him. Man I really hope we don’t give up our 29th pick this year this is going to be a great draft for starting pitchers you watch. Pay attention to who is coming out of college and high school for this draft!

  • joe

    I would rather have Austin Jackson over Curtis Granderson. I’m not a believer in power, that part of the game has so died for at least 5 years now.Yankees should be focused on how your going to get young hitters in their lineup whose strength is opposite field hitting with 15-20 homer power. If the Yankees lineup is that good, then there is no reason they should miss Granderson’s offense seeing how the Yankees out homered the Rangers by over 40 homers and that STILL didn’t lead them to scoring more runs for the season then the Rangers.

    And we could sit here and say well the Yankees struggled with RISP, because they didn’t get enough at bats. Well I don’t really believe in that theory. I mean it’s like what Bill Parcells would say. You are what your record says you are. If you are a 250 hitter generally speaking you’re a 250 hitter with RISP. There are odd balls like Cano who hit 300 and then hit below their batting average, but typically speaking hitting to your batting average with RISP is generally how it is. Adding 30 at bats with RISP is irrespective of what a guy will hit with RISP. If a guy gets a hit in 30% of his at bats, you expect him to get a hit in 30% of his at bats with RISP IRRESPECTIVE of the number of scoring opportunities he gets. Let me give you a PERFECT example of what I’m talking about.

    Curtis Granderson, let us suppose he had the same amount of at bats this past year with RISP as Adrian Gonzalez of the LA Dodgers which was 171 at bats. That means Granderson if you go by the fact that he is a 250 hitter with RISP which is essentially what he’ll always be, he would have had only about 7 more hits in 29 more at bats with RISP. Whereas Gonzalez would still have 24 more hits than Granderson with RISP even if you added 7 more hits for Granderson in 29 more at bats with RISP. Irrespective of the number of at bats with RISP, Gonzalez would have still been better, because Gonzalez would have still been better than Granderson with RISP even if Granderson had the same amount of at bats as Gonzalez because Gonzalez has been a better hitter in general.

    Yankees need more hitter with an overall stat line like Gonzalez of this past year, not necessarily with RISP but overall.