Open Thread: GM Meetings Day One
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The offseason is a couple of weeks old already, but we’re finally starting to see some hot stove movement now that the GM Meetings are underway in California. Earlier today we learned about an upcoming offer to Mariano Rivera and that the Yankees are still in the dark about Andy Pettitte‘s intentions for next year, plus David Lennon reports that Brian Cashman met with the people from Excel Sports Management last night. They represent free agents Zack Greinke and Scott Hairston, among others. Yesterday we heard that Cashman was likely to meet with the agent for Torii Hunter and B.J. Upton. Rumblings!
Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. The Nets are playing and there are other NBA games on as well, but that’s pretty much it for sports. You folks know what to do by now (no politics!), so have at it.
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Who would have more trade value right now Justin Upton or Cano?
Not even close. Cano only has a year left on his contract. While he may not be the better player, Upton has more trade value.
Not to mention that Upton is five years younger.
That’s what I thought, but wanted to get others opinions.
Soooo…Jason Bay for the Andruw Jones role? He’s been pretty decent against lefties despite his general suckitude. Should come cheap too.
He is going to be very expensive for a bench player. No?
The Mets just paid him to go away and he’s been pretty awful overall. How expensive could he possibly be?
I wouldn’t think a guy the Mets just bought out is going to have much bargaining power.
The Mets negotiated a deal with him to defer payments and release him. He’s a FA, I doubt he gets more than a minimal contract after last year, major league minimum with a lot of incentives?
Invitation to ST. That’s about it.
He’s as cooked as cooked can be.
Never was that good to begin with. Pretty meh in Pittsburgh, won the Mike Lowell award for best manipulation of Fenway Park, went on to blow in Queens.
Pass…
No interest in him either, but he was a solid hitter, and certainly not a creation of Fenway.
.867 (2008 Fenway)
.920 (2008 road)
.936 (2009 Fenway)
.904 (2008 road)
Bay hit 18 HRs at Fenway during his year-plus stay, vs. 27 on the road.
.890 OPS as a Pirate with a 131 OPS+. A 3.0 to 6.0 WAR player, consistently in the 130 wRC+ range but for one season with the Pirates and the Red Sox.
Then he came to Queens and sucked. Some players just age differently. Have no issue if the Yankees were to invite him as a non-roster player, but I have a feeling he’d want to flee as far from NY as possible. He’ll probably get some team to give him a shot at league minimum.
He really should go back to Pitt on a cheap deal. It would make a nice ST story if nothing else.
Gardner Nunez and phelps get upton? Aka gardie nunie and phelpsie for uptown
And nova
The only thing that gets you is a heartfelt thanks from Towers for making him laugh.
The D-backs are trading Upton because they have 4 OFers, they wouldn’t want Gardner in return. Nunez is probably not wanted since they just traded for Pennington (unless they think he can start at 3b, but I don’t think that’s a good idea). And they’ll take Phelps and/or Nova, but not as the centerpiece of a trade for 3 cost controlled years of a 25 yo who finished 4th in the NL MVP voting in 2011.
You mention that Excel represents Grienke again, who is extremely unlikely to be riot sly pursued by Cashman, but don’t mention thatPettitte is now represented by them and that he may be their main talking point? It seems like this has been done several times already.
Riot sly? Wow, holy bad autocorrect.
That should be ‘seriously’…
iPhone or iPad? I never understood the odd autocorrect “excuses” people had until I converted to an iPhone about a year back. I’ve sent some truly odd and borderline embarrasing things because I type so fast. Autocorrect has taken spelling errors to a new zone.
This was ipad, but I also run into it sometimes on my iPhone. You think you’re on the right letter, but miss it by a fraction of an inch and you can get some really crazy autocorrects. A while back I saw a site that showed a bunch of real texting autocorrects that were extremely unfortunate and embarrassing, as you mention.
He only followed his agent there. It’s not like he went there so he could get a bigger contract. Pettitte doesn’t care about the money. Remember, he turned down 12m last December if I recall correctly.
Where did I say anything about it being about money, though there could be some of that. He’s likely not playing again for the couple million he did this year. But, talking points could just be about how he’s feeling, if he’s relayed any info to his agents of his thinking for the offseason or next year, etc…
And, he turned down the first contract because he hadn’t started doing anything yet and didn’t know if he was going to stick to it. Taking the contract obligates him, mostly, and he didn’t want to be tied down. It’s not like he didn’t want to be paid. When he was sure, he took everything they could give him.
Not just Pettitte, but isn’t Jeter is represented by them also? Could be something about his rehab.
I like Upton, but hopefully he costs less than Swisher will. Otherwise it makes no sense. Unless they’re basing this off playoff success.
Upton is overrated.
No, he’s not. He’s a legit 5 tool player who put up an MVP caliber season in his age 23 season. The power was missing last year (allegedly because of the thumb issue) but I’m not betting on a 25 year old who has shown his kind of power in the past posting a .150 iso again anytime soon.
I assumed the ‘cost more than Swisher’ and ‘playoff success’ comment was referring to BJ, not Justin. And BJ is over-fucking-rated
I agree about BJ. I think he’s good, but not at the price he will likely command. I love me some of his little brother, though.
Gotcha, agreed.
I think they were both referring to BJ, but I might be wrong.
I can assure you they weren’t referring to Kate.
I think we need to go all in on Kate Upton this off-season, doesn’t matter if we get her for Derek or Alex, it will definitely give us a boost from one of our aging stars, who will feel young again. She can double as the YES network dugout reporter, which would greatly improve the enjoyment of fans watching at home (and probably lead to new tv revenue) and probably fill some empty seats with gawkers coming to catch a glimpse. All in all it will lead to a Yankee dynasty that will make the Yankees of the 50′s look like the modern incarnation of the Pirates by comparison.
Cash needs prospects of his own. We can’t keep trading away our young guys for essentialy rentals. I almost wish we were out of it at the deadline so we could make our own rental trade of Granderson/Cano and maybe Hughes (extend him first) to see if we could get some legit prospects. I know that is very unlikely since we harldy ever miss the playoffs, but we need younger guys if they’re getting under 189m. Make a nasty package offer to one of the cinderella teams that never thought they had a chance in the world for those guys and maybe you pry a top 50 prospect and a top 200 or something like that. Who knows…?
Wow… All this time I thought the business of baseball was so difficult. That’s for simplifying it.
Clif Corcoran? Is that you?
Cash needs prospects of his own
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He has the prospects but the org needs to do a better job at developing them.
Cash has the prospects. We just need to calm the hell down and let them get past AA.
You have a point but when is his plan going to pay off. I’m not one of those fans that expect every kid to be a star but after 7-8 yrs of it it’s still sitting and waiting.
Eight years ago was 2004. Perhaps you want to sit down and look at Robinson Cano, Phil Hughes, Brett Gardner, David Robertson……anyone else?
Weak game, son.
Ok, good point but in 8 years that’s just 4 guys. Is that enough?
A superstar, a well above average regular, a league average starter and a shutdown reliever? Hell yeah that’s enough. And that’s not even taking Joba, Nova, Phelps into account.
In fairness, you can’t give him credit for having prospects and then just blame ‘we’ for trading them all away. That’s on him too. Whoever ‘we’ is isn’t trading them, it’s largely, if not exclusively, Cashman doing that.
Can’t have it both ways.
“I almost wish we were out of it at the deadline”
*releases trap door*
Is there a Rancor at the bottom of this trap door pit? I really want it to be a Rancor.
Love the rancor, I’m guardedly optimistic about episode VII.
More like a Sarlacc Pit.
I will accept that amendment.
The Yankees have the totally wrong mentality. They have the money to see which prospects are superstars, but apparently they think they have the money to trade their prospects for superstars. We would be a lot better off with Ajax for the next 5 years than granderson for 30 times the money next year.
And, how’s the weather in the Big Apple? I arrive at LGA at 4PM.
Snowy and windy, but not ridiculously cold. Have a good snow jacket and you’re fine.
Got that. I live in ski country.
I’m not in NY so the only thing I thought of when reading this was replying with one of the 700 jokes about weather from Good Morning Vietnam.
Sorry, but thanks for the good memories.
Great movie.