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Joe DiMaggio on a moped in Rome in 1957. Not quite sure if I have to add anything. You’ve got college football and NBA action tonight, so talk about whatever you like in this here open thread.
Chicks dig mopeds!
(S)o talk about whatever you like in this here open thread.
Hmm. Something seems to be missing.
Politics it is!
Incidentally, Scottsdale is playing on MLB Network at 8pm so we can see Slade, Romine and Adams if they start. Betances pitched last night.
Not a big fan of Slade right now. I just think he’s going to be an eternal head case.
Meh. I said and did dumb shit when I was younger. It was just listservs instead of Twitter.
If that’s the worst he does while in the organization, I can live with it. 48% of America actually did vote for someone different than I did.
It wasn’t so much what he said, but how he said it. Naturally I understand that the electorate is fairly split right now, but, me being me, I always have that sneaking suspicion that people who get that uppity about our current president dislike him for that certain reason.
I think that’s true of adults, because they should have enough perspective to know that one President doesn’t change all that much. Kids see the world in black and white (bad metaphor considering what we’re talking about) things seem like the end of the world, as you age things start to grey a little bit.
That’s just the latest dumbass thing he’s done in a life full of them.
Combine that with his inability to stay healthy and on the field and I would personally deal him as soon as I could get anything for him, or throw him in a deal with someone else.
My only probably untouchable out of any of those guys is Sanchez anyway. If someone were to treat him as a top-end piece in a deal, I’ll drive him myself. He’ll love it. I still have my Obama/Biden 2008 magnet on my car.
He’s young and from Texas, where as a sports star he probably didn’t even receive what they call a high-school education down there. Plus the whole being parent-less for his junior and senior year. It’s really a miracle he can type or use a computer. All that being said, you don’t have to be the brightest tool in the shed to play baseball, and you don’t have to be a nice guy either.
Reminds me of that great line from BASEketball.
“Teams were forced to recruit heavily from prisons, mental institutions, and Texas.”
Ahhhh, gotta love broad generalizations about where people live. The myth about the poor quality of Texas schools is just that, a myth.
Yea, I don’t recall seeing Texas ranked low. But they had that one textbook controversy, didn’t they?
you could cherry-pick numbers to support either side. after all, test scores are for students who are still in schools, not the nation-leading drop-out population. you’ve got the country’s worst child poverty and a legislature that will continue to slash spending for education.
it’s possible to get a good public education in texas. i went to school in near-rock-bottom south carolina, and i’m the smartest person i know. no fault of the overextended teachers, but the chips are stacked against kids in both states.
I grew up and graduated from high school in a tiny village in NNY called Dexter. For the longest time, I believed the notion that education in Northern or West Coast states was superior to that in Southern ones. Through reading and experience, I’ve learned this isn’t true.
The two studies below show that the idea of that superiority isn’t so cut and dried and probably doesn’t exist at all:
Texas’ poverty rate isn’t the worst in the country and you can by clicking on the rate by county map on the link below, you’ll see that most of the state does well in regards to the rate. The border with Mexico is where poverty rates are highest. This is to be expected as Mexico is a borderline third world country and poverty in those areas is the nature of the economic beast.
Education doesn’t improve with dollars spent. As a matter of fact, in inflation adjusted dollars, the country spends twice per pupil as it did 40 years ago while test scores remain flat.
This is true in Texas as well. The fight from everything I’ve read is to cut back on the administration type jobs that eat up funds while not actually contributing to successful outcomes for students.
links to a known conservative blog; like i said, one can cherry-pick.
i mentioned child poverty, and texas does languish at the bottom; with new mexico, alabama, mississippi, askansas and my own motherland south carolina. illustrious company.
the rest of what you say is, i believe, spin, or at best naivete. i’ll end the debate here, however, before it descends to you-know-what (the P word). for your edification, i did thirteen years in texas, much of it spent working with outreach programs for at-risk youth.
Translation of Vicki:
I didn’t read any of the links and I couldn’t refute them if I did, so I’ll resort to ad hominem attacks by calling someone else naive while backing out of a discussion I have clearly lost under the guise of being “civil”.
Forgot the poverty link:
As far as baseball goes, ask any teammate about him and they are give rave reviews about him as a teammate. He’s a hard worker and will run through a brickwall for them. That’s what this org doesn’t have a whole lot of right now. As far as the AFL goes, he’s doing more than holding his own against a lot of guys with a ton of innings at AA.
are you saying it was dumbass behavior for him to take on the entire red sox affiliate? because that won him points in my book.
Yay he left off the “except politics” rule
Your favorite political candidate who I do not support likes putting same-sex body parts in their body parts!
I have no favorite. Im a very depressed third party voter.
I’ll admit to not being principled enough to say “let the chips fall where they may” and vote third party.
I will, however, always vote for candidate on another line that’s not the main party line if they’re listed as candidate on both.
Yeah thats what i do. My party does have its own people for state and local elections but not as much as i wished they did.
Yep. I went with Gary Johnson this year, but I almost wrote in Ron Paul. I doubt I will ever vote again because I refuse to support our two party dictatorship.
The only politician I’ve ever supported beyond “the other guy is worse” just got bumped in favor of a carpetbagger from Oklahoma, so eff politics.
Oh, and hell yeah Gary Johnson
So is the 2014 austerity budget a permanent “cap” for the Yankees, or is it just a one year target to soften the penalties going forward?
Seeing the Dodgers attached to every free agent out there and the Yankees fixated on a budget is pretty surreal. Seven or eight years ago no one would’ve believed it.
I personally am ok if they take two three years to retool the team for the current financial realties.
It’s certainly one year, and possibly two years, as that increases what they get back. After that may be anyone’s guess.
And since we’re on the subject. Can people just stop calling it ‘austerity’? It’s not like they going down to $89 million. They’ll still be one of the highest payrolls in the sport.
If winning becomes such a big problem at that point, then there are more problems in the front office and scouting departments than anything else. It shouldn’t, and doesn’t, take $200+ million to win.
It doesn’t, but considering the current state of the roster/farm system, it very well might take $200M+ to win in 2014-15. Longer term it should presumably be less of a problem.
Vote WHIG in 2014 midterms
I’ve always been partial to the Federalists myself. The party of Washington, Adams & Hamilton!
Vote the know-nothings.
But…they know nothing.
It would be like voting for Fox News anchors.
It was always one of my favorite moments of US History class.
Or CNN or MSNBC anchors. Personally for U.S. national news i go to the BBC for an alternate veiw of things.
I kept it on CNN on election night, but I generally don’t watch cable news at all.
Got news for you…BBC is just as biased as CNN, MSNBC, CBS, ABC and NBC. If you don’t think they have an agenda of their own you’re only fooling yourself.
or those unbiased msnbc anchors. By the way do your live in an all white neighborhood liberal “equality for all” boy.
I guess you missed the comment where I said I don’t watch cable news, so I could give a shit about MSNBC anchors.
No, I don’t live in an all-white neighborhood. So what if I did or didn’t? What did that have to do with what I said?
I guess you just can’t take a joke. But, let’s just end this so we don’t turn this into a donnybrook.
I refuse to vote until somebody re-forms the Bull Moose Party.
I’m pretty sure if we dug up TR’s corpse he’d jump out of the grave and get right back to it. He just needed a rest.
The man makes Chuck Norris and Bruce Lee flee in terror.
Penn State about to be defeated by the referees and their own QB’s incompetence.
And unless a miracle happens, it appears Alabama is going down.
There’s something about photography and movies in the 40′s and 50′s that made every man, no matter how young he was, look middle-aged.
Or perhaps it was the amount they smoked/drank in those days.
2/$6.2 for Ross.
Wish the Yankees got in on that.
Meh. Sox will make moves before the Yanks do. Lots more holes to fill. Last place team versus ALCS team.
If you see JJyank tell him I emailed him.
Wow, Ryan Lavahhhhhnway’s stock has really fallen…
From what I read today, they’re going to trade Salty and give the job to Lavarnway. Which I find hysterical.
It was very enjoyable this season when they repeatedly had Lavarnway and his powerless .160-.170′s average batting 4th or 5th.
Keep it going!
That doesn’t look like a moped. Mopeds have pedals: you can use the MOtor or the PEDals.
Maybe Rome instead of Romine, too..?
Are you attempting to imply that he is on a scooter?
I’m not certain of much, but I am certain of one thing Joe D. ain’t no queer.
take your elitest linguistics and go somewhere else.
it’s a scooter, alright. i had a moped when i was a kid. mopeds are cool. scooters are for french people and hipsters.
tilapia, you got a scooter? i kid, i kid.
Anyone here think the Knicks can keep up on their stellar play?
Roster is too old and who knows what happens once Amar’e is healthy.
I think they can do well with Amare and with them being old, its not like they are relying on all their old guys to carry the team.
No and, as always, fuck the Knicks.
Moped? I think not. That’s a Vespa, no?
No, this is a Vespa.
Any opportunity for a Spaceballs reference…
Absolutely. And now I’ll have to watch that again soon, just like I have to watch Good Morning Vietnam again after I referenced it last night or the night before on here too.
Looking at other pictures, looks like you nailed it. Impressive.
Now tell me you have one sitting in your garage and I’ll be even more impressed.
Sign Melky for a year
whether he likes it or not!!!
Only 41 more days till we all die yay!!! Who’s excited?
Does that mean I don’t have to buy Christmas presents then? That’s kind of cool.
Hanukkah starts December 8th sorry you still have to buy presents
So I was just reading through some of the Cano/Boras thread…good to know some of our regular (for lack of a better word) trolls now no longer think he’s a superstar because his contract is coming up and he hasn’t put up 2007 A-Rod type numbers in a season. Because all superstars do that all the time, that’s why when Alex did it in 2007 it wasn’t anything special. Oh wait.
Um, if anyone is a “troll”, it’s you.
Yeah, Cano hasn’t put up a 2007 A-Rod type year – in the EIGHT YEARS he’s had to do so – and for that he doesn’t deserve to be given 8-10 years and $200M.
Superstars don’t put up MVP seasons all the time, but some if not many of them do put up at least one MVP or MVP runnerup season. Cano hasn’t done that yet.
Bottom line is Cano has never had a breakout season in the eight seasons he’s played with the Yanks / in MLB, and for him to expect a bigger contract that 2001-10 Jeter at age 31 (when Jeter was much younger than Cano when he got that contract) is ridiculous.
BTW his 2012 numbers were inflated by his ridiculous tear to end the season and that tear was negated by his abysmal postseason.
Yea, Raul isn’t a troll, man.
In case the seasons bleed into each other for some, this is the measuring stick Duh Innings is going by:
Now excuse me while I go laugh.
But he’s lazy. ur so dum
1) Jeter’s contract was signed 12 years ago. Inflation happens.
2) Jeter before he signed his contract: 322/394/468 127 wRC+
Cano career: 308/351/503 124 wRC+. Relative to the time these occurred, they are similar hitters (slight edge to Jeter), Cano is/was the better defender, and Jeter is/was the better baserunner. Jeter in the 5 years before his contract: 24.6 fWAR.
Cano last 5 years: also 24.6 fWAR.
They are very close. Jeter never put up a 2007 ARod year either.
With inflation, Cano will definitely get a higher AAV. Because he’ll be hitting free agency after his age 30 season instead of Jeter signing after his age 26 season, he should get a shorter contract.
I’m not sure what you consider a break out season. But Cano’s peak fWAR was 7.8. Jeter’s peak fWAR was 7.5.
Great analysis/comparison. It actually does show quite a comparison.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Jeter should’ve gotten the contract he did which was largely/partially based on his teammates doing what they did in the postseason for 4 of the 5 years prior to his contract.
Therein also lies another issue with the Cano situation. Personally, given the money/years being bandied about so far, there’s no way I sign him. I’ll take a possible hit on the front end to avoid an almost sure (bigger) hit on the back end.
I definitely wouldn’t go more than 6 years (starting in 2013), and I think even that is a stretch. Hopefully it wouldn’t be more than 2 bad years though, and Tex would be off the books after year 4 and then ARod after year 5, so I think they could withstand the bad years without it being a major issue.
Unfortunately, I have a feeling it’s going to take more than 6 years to sign him, in which case I hope the Yankees don’t bite.
Yeah, 6 is maybe even beyond where I would go. Given his plate discipline, if his offense slips a little or he has a rough luck year he’ll lose a ton of his value. Add that to him likely losing a step or two defensively over time, and he could lose a ton very quickly.
And though it’s not a full reason, more of a bit of a tie-breaker, his constant lack of hustle or even sense of urgency just really turn me off him for a bunch more years.
This is where my slippery slope occurs.
I’d give Cano six years. That would probably me my upper limit….but I, as GM, would probably allowed myself to be negotiated up to seven or eight.
“Yeah, Cano hasn’t put up a 2007 A-Rod type year”
Because players routinely have 2007 ARod years every few seasons, right?
I do it every year in MLB 12 The Show.
What’s so hard about it?
My Franchise mode Evan Longoria has a .340/.380/.700 line with 33 homers…at the All Star Break!
I’m not much for fair competition in many of my games. Nearing the end of my fourth season of RTTS, my average MLB season is around .666/.677/2.235 with around 90+ doubles, 25+ triples, 150+ homers (just missed averaging one per game last season, on pace for it this season), 400+ RBI, and 300+ steals.
I’m sure it sounds boring as hell, but add in some beer and it can get good.
So, found out my roomate has MLBTV. Just saw Slade Heathcott crush a double in the AZfL. nice….
You can watch AZfl stuff on mlb.tv?
I don’t know about it in general, but tonight there was one game on MLBNetwork which is probably the one he’s talking about.
Joe D. making riding a moped look cool. I wouldn’t even try to pull that off.
Honestly, I don’t think he looks cool at all. He looks out of place, and too old, to me.
I always found that Joe D. looked like that. It always seemed to me that he had this kind of detached aloofness about him.
I also believe that he refused to regard his chief rival as a great player because he didn’t win any rings.
Yeah, Joe D was kind of a dick. No question about that.
And, for that matter, his chief rival was undoubtedly the better player, and had an MVP stolen from him in (I believe) 41′ because the media liked Joe D and he had the 56 game hit streak. Meanwhile, the aforementioned chief rival hit over 400 with an OBP of over 500. Highway robbery.
He was a better hitter. He wasn’t a better player.
His hitting was worth more than Dimmaggio’s everything else combined, so yeah.
Career WARS: Joe D’s was 91. 8. Ted Williams? 139.9
Joe D had great defense I’m sure, but not THAT great.
And at least to some extent it was taken into account too.
That was their fWAR. bWAR is even worse. Joe D had a 75.1 bWAR. Ted Williams? 119.8.
It wasn’t even close.
does anyone think there’s any chance dan haren might accept a 1 year, 16 million dollar deal to build his value up while simultaneously making good money?
If his back is really how everyone seems to think it is, and since he’s entering his mid-30′s, I think he does everything he can to get the longest contract possible to give him some guarantees in case his back explodes.
Mike Axisa you bummed Obama won, hence no mention of “no politics”?
Or maybe it’s been a few days since the election and there should be no pressing need to discuss any of it on a baseball blog at this point (not that there ever was a need to discuss it here anyway, open thread or not).
Maybe he wanted Romney to win. Or Gary Johnson. Or Jill Stein. Or Rocky Anderson.
But I’m just going to assume he forgot to mention it.
PS: There is no difference between Romney and Obama, so it doesn’t really matter.
I’m with Knoxvillian.
Ah, Rocky Anderson. In another universe, I’d have considered it.
The “there’s no difference” thing is a bit of a generalization. I do think there’s little difference in the treatment of big business, but I think we can list about 50 thousand other places where they were different.
Who is this Rumney you speak of, anyway?
They basically have the same monetary policy, foreign policy, and domestic policy. They both like wasteful spending and are backed by the big banks. They claim different things to appeal to different demographics, but in the end of the day the only difference is their political affiliation.
Or maybe he just thought people were mature enough to not feel a need to post crap like this.
If Mike Trout were on the open market right now, what does he get?
I was going to say crabs, but i would assume hes too fast and jumps too high…
Could the Yanks hypothetically speaking sign Hamilton and Bourn and somehow be under the 189m cap for 2014. The only people signed for 2014 are A-Rod (26M), Teix (23M), CC (23M) and if Jeter accepts his option 8M. 109M is left and if we signed Bourn to lets say 14M a year, Cano gets an extension to 24M, and Hamilton signs for 20M. That leaves us with 51M to cover the rotation, bullpen, LF and C. Is there any real way all that could be covered with 51M ?
That would mean the other 18 players on the roster would have to cost an average of $2.83M each. And that doesn’t even factor in things like ARod’s home run bonuses, etc. So I guess hypothetically speaking they could, but it would be really messy.
Luxury tax payroll is calculated a bit differently (using AAV generally, with some weirdness regarding options). Benefits and 40-man roster players are included as well.
Long story short, if Jeter picks up his option, and factoring in ARod, CC, Tex, benefits, and minor league 40-man roster players, the Yankees would have roughly $80-85M (in terms of AAV) to spend for the rest of the roster. Cano, Bourn, and Hamilton at your prices would leave 22-27M for 4/5 of the rotation, the entire bullpen, 1 OF, DH, C, and bench. It’s theoretically possible, but they would have to fill basically every other role with players at or very near the league minimum. I’d think that team would be very starved of quality pitching.
it’s not the heat, it’s the humidity. i mean years.
Why am I looking at Joe D & thinking “Fonzie” right now?
Ayyyyyyyyy!!!! (Thumbs up)
Does Mike do this by hmself now? Nobody else has posted since early November. Are the other writers out?
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