Open Thread: Robinson Cano, U.S. Citizen

Feinsand: Talks "are ongoing" between Yankees and Martin
Blue Jays & Marlins swing ten-ish player blockbuster

On his Twitter feed this morning, Robinson Cano announced that he officially became a U.S. citizen today. He even posted some photos of himself being sworn in, which are pretty neat. I can only assume this means he’ll now start over Dustin Pedroia at second base for Team USA in the World Baseball Classic next spring. In all seriousness, congrats to Robbie. That’s a pretty big deal.

Here is your open thread for the evening. Both the Knicks and Nets are playing tonight, so talk about those games or anything else here. Enjoy.

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Feinsand: Talks "are ongoing" between Yankees and Martin
Blue Jays & Marlins swing ten-ish player blockbuster
  • http://yankeesblogtbnl.blogspot.com Derek

    So…how about Jeffrey Loria, and how about those Blue Jays? Nothing to see here…

    • Murderers’ Row Boat

      Loria needs to have his ownership rights revoked. He is a joke and a fraud. Also, the Blue Jays should be good.

      • vicki

        division will be a bloodbath.

        • Murderers’ Row Boat

          Whichever team gets 90 wins will be the division champ.

          • DT

            Second wildcard you mean.

            • Duh Innings

              BS

              The 2012 Blue Jays had a team ERA of 4.64 and a team slashline of .245/.309/.407/.716. Both dreadful.

              I don’t see three players propelling them to significantly better numbers as you can’t assume the team as is would improve in 2013. Encarnacion would have to duplicate his 2012 for one. Bautista would have to still be Bautista and I don’t think that’s a 100% given. If he reinjures himself he could be finished as the force he’s been.

              85 wins tops.

              • vicki

                holy mother, now they may not even get arrencibia. the fix is in.

                • vicki

                  reply fail.

                  meant to write something here about how joey bats wasn’t their only significant injury.

                  healthy bj’s will be a force.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        MLB needs to do something about owners like Loria (not sure anyone else actually fits into his category). I can’t believe MLB allows him to just blow up his team like that. That’s probably part of the reason why the city’s residents don’t support the team. If it didn’t really screw the city of Miami, MLB should seriously consider moving the team or contracting them (who would be the corresponding AL team, Houston?).

        • jjyank

          I have no idea if the MLB can do something, but you’re right. I would have a real hard time being a fan of a team that blows itself up after a couple months of struggling. I mean they blew the team up after winning the World Series! The they rebuild, and rebuild, and rebuilt…and they build a whole new stadium, go nuts with a few big contracts to go all in…and they blow it up again. I don’t see how anyone can actually be a real fan of the Marlins right now. Most of the real fans must have had a stroke by now.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          Contract the Marlins. Move the Rays to Miami. Fixed.

          • Cris Pengiucci

            The Rays certainly deserve better fans than what they have. Can’t understand why they can’t consistently fill their stadium (OK, the location sucks, but still…). Would a move to Miami do it?

            • Get Phelps Up

              Miami didn’t even draw when they had good teams. I want the Rays to move to Portland.

          • Bo Knows

            They really should, Loria has no business being an owner

    • Bo Knows

      I had no clue what you were talking about…then I looked it up, ‘scuse my french but that is some fucking bullshit.

      The Marlins weren’t even together for 2 months before “ownership” blew the team up. That’s a joke, is there has to be a way that the MLB can boot this sorry out and get that team someone who will actually act like an owner.

      That said, Giancarlo Stanton now….get on it Cash-money

  • Rey22

    Holy mother of baseball trades :O

  • Get Phelps Up

    I wonder when Stanton gets traded.

    • CANOlli(New York Ziti)

      to Tampa for Hellickson and a player to be named later!

      • CANOlli(New York Ziti)

        oops thought you said where not where

    • The Real Eddard

      He’ll probably be thrown into the deal before it’s done. Loria is such a joke. They gave up on that whole team after half a season. Shouldn’t have hired Ozzie but you don’t give up after 80 games. Their payroll will drop to $20-30 million again. Just contract them.

      • awesomeo

        Stanton would get a massive haul right now. He doesn’t hit FA until like 2017. It would take Shields, and Hellickson to get him. Dude is gonna be one of the best players in baseball. I know pitchers are generally worth a lot, but he is worth more imo.

  • kenthadley

    If the Marlins are dumping, why aren’t NYY in the mix? Where’s Cash?

    • CountryClub

      Because the yanks can’t take on salary.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Which is when we slide in there and pick up Stanton for a bag of balls.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

          It’ll take an enormous amount of prospects to land Stanton and I’m sure other teams would be willing to include prospects closer to the majors than the Yankees can offer anyway.

          • Get Phelps Up

            I thought it would take an enormous amount of prospects to get Johnson, Buehrle and Reyes.

            • vicki

              thank you.

              i can’t believe someone else wouldn’t give them a better deal. they got fleeced.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        They can. Just on one year deals.

      • RetroRob

        That’s it. It appears the Marlins just shipped about $225M in contracts to the Jays. Perhaps some money is coming in the deal, but I doubt it’ll be much.

        Relating to the question I asked below, the CBA along with the addition of another Wild Card, may have created a situation where teams at the lower end of the salary scale will be more willing to take on the contracts from teams at the higher end if they think it can get them into the postseason.

  • RetroRob

    Glad the open thread is up so we can talk about the baseball story of the evening: Bob Melvin being picked as AL MOY over Buck Showalter.

    Discuss.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      I can’t believe Bobby V didn’t win.

      • MP

        Haha

      • tommydee2000

        This is Peter Gammons

    • first name only male – Retire 21

      Is it me or is the MOY award mildly insulting to the players? It’s kind of like “You won with this roster!?!? You deserve an award!”.

      • Mister D

        Yup. And its exactly why Melvin over Showalter was the right call.

    • Steve (different one)

      Couldn’t care less about the MOY award, but you are right, Showalter should have won easily.

  • CountryClub

    1. The marlins are a joke. Someone said their payroll is down to 16 mil with this trade.

    2. This trade doesn’t scare me as a Yankees fan. Reyes is great. But the pitchers have huge question marks. I wouldn’t have wanted the Yanks to trade for either guy. Plus, the jays gave back some talent.

  • RetroRob

    Wonder if John Farrell questions leaving the Blue Jays.

    • first name only male – Retire 21

      It is the equivalent of breaking up with your girlfriend only to have her drop 30 pounds and get breast implants.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        Nice analogy.

        That would really suck, wouldn’t it.

        • vicki

          no wonder she dumped you. both of you.

  • Yankeefan

    Giancarlo Stanton ?@Giancarlo818

    Alright, I’m pissed off!!! Plain & Simple

    Get Him NOW Cashman

    • Robinson Tilapia

      ietc

    • MP

      If the Yanks could get Stanton. I…well..I don’t know what I would do. Probably jump (with excitement) out my 5th floor window onto 14th Street.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Seriously. I’d love to see this happen. It’d make the David DeJesus and Ichiro options something to look back at and laugh while we kick Eddard.

        • jjyank

          This needs to happen.

      • Preston

        There is nothing on the farm I wouldn’t trade to see that RH power bat in YS, plus there is a vacancy in RF…

        • Bo Knows

          Give the Marlins a list of every prospect in the system (and several of the players on the Main roster)and say “who ya want?”

  • Robinson Tilapia

    It really saddens me that a place of history like the Orange Bowl was tore down for this bullshit franchise to continue with business as usual. So indicative of a bullshit town.

    ARod, the Knicks, AND the Nets to Miami for the Heat and Giancarlo Stanton. Get it done, Cash.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      Don’t sleep on the Knicks this year.

      I like this team better than any since the hey day of Ewing, Oakley and Starks.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        You just keep coming back for more. :)

        AND you’d make that trade in a heartbeat. It’d be better for everyone, trust me.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          I’ll patiently wait for a title rather than selling out. It’ll be much more sweet that way.

  • RC aka oldmanalex

    the funny part is the Marlins Super Power Regime lasted all of 12 months. what a joke.

  • RetroRob

    So a serious question here. We’ve now seen two teams basically unload hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts in the last three months. First the Red Sox, now the Marlins.

    Is it possible the new CBA, which has basically created a salary cap, even if it’s flexible, caused a reaction from teams like the Red Sox (salary dump), Yankees (189) and the Phillies (also retreating from $189, to such a point that it’s now created a scenario where we are going to see more large movements of contracts between teams, depending on where they are in the development cycle?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      Probably not, at least not because of the CBA. The Yankees seem to be the only team that’s significantly altered their behavior because of the CBA. I think the Sox salary dump was pretty much entirely because of the state of the team. They’ve always stayed pretty much right at the threshold, occasionally going slightly over. The Phillies also stayed under the threshold even before the new CBA as well.
      The aspect that might contribute to more big contract movement would be the increase in big TV deals, resulting in more teams being able to take big contracts.

  • Dale Mohorcic

    New stadium, same fuckstick owner. Poor Marlins fan (sic).

    • MP

      Like I said in the other thread. I was flipping through the channels about a week or so ago and there is this reality TV show (Fish Kings?) about these guys that build massive fish tanks and are based in Florida. They did the tank for the Marlins stadium on the baselines. That hour show was both entertaining and torture (for the Fish guys) who had to deal with that guy (Marlins president) who has a major Neapolian complex. There are dicks and then there are the serious dick heads, like that guy. At this point, I’d put nothing past them.

      • Real MP

        I don’t comment super-frequently, but I sometimes do, and I’ve been using this handle for a while now. Would you mind switching to something else?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I must warn you that this is a slippery slope. Switch screen names enough times and you wind up with a strange fish moniker.

          • MP

            I do it all the time. Not for any reason to hide anything. It’s just whatever I feel like writing in the handle bar some days. I go for comment content versus following what a specific person has to say. But for the record, I do enjoy your comments. If I accidentally highjacked someone’s handle, then I apologize to all.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I am so lost now. :)

              • Not the real the MP (sorry)

                I’ll go back to the oldie, but goodie that I used most aka RO.

        • MP

          Sure. But are you being serious or just joking around?

          • Real MP

            No, I really have been using it, particularly in chats. Sorry to ask you to switch, but if you wouldn’t mind I’d appreciate it.

            • Not the real the MP (sorry)

              No sweat.

              • stuart MP

                throw these guys a parade….

                • Eddard MP

                  Sign him for 10 years. Best trade Cashman as ever made. Where is his plaque in monument park? CONTACT HITTERZ.

                  • dalelama MP

                    No. They’re just a bunch of old purple lipped chokers.

                    • Matt MP

                      CRIMINAL! CRIMINAL!

                    • teddy MP

                      is giradri fault

                    • MP IV is Not the real MP aka Ro

                      careful now..

                    • Greg MP

                      FALLACY

                    • dan gen MP

                      ONE EIGHTY NINE

                    • stu phillips MP

                      no attendance next year…

                  • Will the Real MP Please Stand Up

                    Not even the teams.

  • Cris Pengiucci

    So, after my trip to NY, I must say I am gastronomically spoiled. I visited several of the recommended restaurants, only to find that my wife makes better food than many of them. (She is a caterer and loves to experiment with new creations or modifications of traditional recipes).

    I came to realize this when, on Saturday, we visited El Castillo de Jagua and I tried their Cuban sandwich. While it was very good, my wife’s pork is so much better, as she marinates it for 24-48 hours before slow cooking it for 8-10 hours, then pulls it ensuring its nice and lean (it was very lean at the restaurant as well). The extra flavor from the marinade makes her sandwiches better than the ones we had (IMHO).

    I found myself constantly comparing the food we had with hers and came to realize, I won’t find much that’s better than what she makes.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      My non-Cuban wife makes better Cuban black beans than any place out there.

      So where did you go?

      • Cris Pengiucci

        Went to a place on Long Island Thursday night (Steve’s Piccola Bussola on Old Country Road in Westbury, where we used to live – highly recommended. Still a great place, Friday lunch was at night was at Xi’an Famous Foods (we enjoyed it. She doesn’t cook Chinese, although she’s half Chinese and her dad owned a Chinese restaurant in Colombia years ago). Friday night was at Mario’s on Arthur Ave in the Bronx with our daughter, her school friends and their parents. Saturday night was “splurge” night, as we went to Sparks Steakhouse with our friends, and Sunday lunch was just a quick grab and go, as our daughter was in the Veterans Day Parade up 5th ave.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          NICE.

          I love Xi’an’s. The pork burger is great and I’ve never had better noodles. Which location did you go to?

          Never been to Mario’s, but Arthur Ave. can be a lot of fun.

          • Cris Pengiucci

            Bayard Street. Had some good desserts on Arthur Ave at a pastry shop. Of course, the company helped. 2 of my daughter’s friends are of Italian heritage, so we parents got along really well. Same background and talk of holiday meals … we had a lot in common.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Ah. My only Xi’an’s experience was up in Flushing. I really can’t wait to head back there. Just great stuff.

        • RetroRob

          Sparks? Why did I think they went out of business a couple years back?

          Best steak house in NYC is Keens.

          • Rooting for U.S. Steel

            I’m a big fan of Uncle Jack’s — especially the one on Ninth Avenue just off 34th Street. Consistently good steaks.

            I’m trying to remember which restaurant was allegedly started by two Peter Luger’s alums…

            Keens does have a damned good whiskey menu.

        • vicki

          spark’s is classic. keen’s is better.

          • Cris Pengiucci

            Good atmosphere, history, good, but overpriced food, I probably would have tried Keens if I had know about it.

            • RetroRob

              That’s a good snapshot of Sparks. It’s probably still best known for a mafia hit, but there are better places.

              One of the great things about the Internet is people will create a blog for just about anything. Some good, some bad. I stumbled across this blog just on NYC steakhouses about six months back. The man is eating at every place and writing reviews. I have no idea what his cholesterol must be, but it’s a good guide. I check back to it whenever I’m looking for a new place to check out.

              http://www.johnnyprimesteaks.com/welcome-message/

      • Not the real the MP (sorry)

        Don’t go to the place on the corner of 57th (or maybe it’s 59th) corner of 1st Ave. It’s a famous place for Spanish/Cuban, but the food sucked and even my spanish GF, who is less of drama queen than me was even pissed over the quality of the food. You’ve got to go to Washington Heights I hear for the good stuff. All the Cuban places that I’ve been too downtown are pretty lame and try to be authentic, however there was one place and I just can’t remember where it was. Dang.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          The issue with Cuban places in NYC is that most aren’t authentic in the least. There are some very good places, but stuff like Cubana Cafe and Havana Central, which have multiple locations, are pretty terrible.

          Cuba down on Thompson St. by Washington Sq. Park is very good.

          If you want real downhome stuff, you have two options: Go over the Lincoln Tunnel and into Union City, or take the 7 train into Queens for El Sitio in Woodside.

          Some great Dominican places up in the Heights. El Malecon will serve you the biggest plate of food you’ve ever seen.

          • MP IV is Not the real MP aka Ro

            I’ll be in Miami for two days next week, so hopefully I can locate me something good. All this talk of Cuban has me wanting it now..

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Where are you staying? What tips do you need? Lived there for 15 years and still go down about three times a year.

              • MP IV is Not the real MP aka Ro

                Staying 1 block from Standard Hotel at a buddies place. I’ve been a bunch of times, but not overly familiar with the lay of the land there. I’m actually looking at 4 or 5 foreclosure apts on Miami beach. Nothing pricey. $100k-$200k. But going to buy one as an investment and rent out. Looking at a small 1bdrm asking $95k. I’ll put 10% down and the monthly is 1/3 (or less) than my rent here in the city. Nice little rental for some income and a nice fall back vaca space for the future. I actually really like Miami. Being a former DJ here in the city in the early-mid 90’s, I get a rush out of WMC (even as I approach 40). It’s weird, I’ve been to a few places in the caribean/tropical areas and I still like Miami just as much, if not more, which is a little strange. I guess the only thing that’s shocking is if you go west of the beach (mainland) and like two blocks over from Biscayanne Blvd, you’re in a serious ghetto. That’s not so cool. Once Genting builds the casino (which I think they’ll get approval for) a lot of those areas will be redeveloped. May take another 15 years, but I see it happening. I think Miami is a solid investment right now. That is, if you get something at the right price. I’m not talking about paying $900k for a 10th floor 2bdrm unit in one of those newer buildings, which may not hold value in the short term.

                As for food; I’m wide open for suggestions. I usually stay east of the Venetian Islands, but open to going out to Little Haiti or other places for some good food.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  STANDARD MIAMI BEACH?!?!?!

                  That place is absolutely heaven. My favorite hotel. We would stay down there every time we visited before my son was born, but now the don’t allow anyone under 14 on the property.

                  Oh…you’re staying a block away….whoops.

                  Overtown never seems to get better. I know stories of social workers having their cars broken into WHILE THEY WERE DRIVING THEM. I worked those streets for a while, as well as the worst parts of Little Havana, etc.

                  It’s a strange town.

                  If you want good Cuban on the beach, head over to Casa Larios on Ocean Drive. I lived blocks from the Larios in South Miami, though, and am always partial to that one.

                  • MP IV is Not the real MP aka Ro

                    Yeah, I always stay at the standard as well and I bet I wind up there for a night next week. Their Haman is awesome. I just like the overall environment.

                    I think that area, which I guess you’re referring too as Overtown is just funky. I’ve been in NYC for 20 years (although born right by GW on Jersey side) and have had many trips with Dad and on my own through some “bad” neighborhoods, including most of our family of Italians that lived in Paterson back in the day and I can unequivocally state that I fear for my life the few times I ventured out to that area of Miami we’re talking about. Last Feb, in broad daylight (like 2:00PM) I was on a scooter (yeah, that was dumb) I had a guy yelling at me who was maybe 4 or 5 houses behind me. He was yelling (not nice stuff either) and it was directly at me. Considering there wasn’t anyone else on the street (but a friend of mine about a block in front of me – also on a scooter) it was definitely directed at me. He was yelling and approaching at the same time. I gunned it and high tailed it out of there. The reason I was out there was a trip to see an art gallery and we deviated from course a little. Point is, you’re not kidding about people just coming up to you and robbing people while driving their cars. All my years up here, never seen that. At least criminals up here put 3% of thought into their actions. Down there, nothing. Scary stuff. I can honestly see them just bulldoze all of it. Based on what I am reading about Genting (casino) and other ventures, it actually sounds like that might happen.

                    I’ll check out Casa Larios. Thanks.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      I’ve been the lightest-skinned person, by far, in some of the worst projects in NYC at all times of day as a social worker. I get confused for a cop frequently. I’ve been yelled at by random people on the street fearing for my safety.

                      I have not ever felt 1/10th as scared anywhere in NYC as I’ve felt in Miami.

                  • MP IV is Not the real MP aka Ro

                    ..and I’m glad that you and your wife used to go the Standard. It’s perfect for couples. You should spend a night next time your son stays with a relative. Raj and a few of the guys that run the place are very cool. They have to impose those age limits since the Standard really prides itself on their liberal rules. Women toppless both at the pool and Haman so I understand why they say no kids.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      The Haman is great. Definitely done it. Love the pool as well.

                      Last time I was there, we missed a Playboy event by a weekend. Apparently, clothing was a complete afterthought.

                      Alex, one of the managers, is a great guy who’s given us upgrades several times.

                      I don’t mind the rules one bit. It’s just going to be a while before we can drop him off with the grandparents for a couple of days.

                    • MP IV is Not the real MP aka Ro

                      Yeah, that’s right Alex is the other guy. He is the shortish fellow, but really nice. And yeah, I didn’t want to bring up the playboy thing on here, but my buddy, who lives down the street was there for that (or at least the most recent one). He texted me the details. I’m all set with a great girlfriend, but man, I had one of those slightly jealous moments. I prefer the attractive librarian types anyway..

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Yup. That’s Alex. Totally cool guy. Last time we were there, my wife was five months pregnant and he did everything humanly possible to make sure she was doing alright. I feel bad that we haven’t been back or sent him a baby picture or something.

    • MP

      Nice, man. 20 years in New York and I’ve been sick probably over 100 times. Not like emergency room sick, like two rolls of toilet paper sick. Sorry. But, yeah, New York cuisine isn’t all its cracked up to be. My GF knows when we go to Yank games my favorite thing is getting in line to chomp down two sausage and pepper heros. Next time you visit, go to a small place called Frank of 2nd Ave btw 5th and 6th (eastside of 2nd Ave). You’ll walk right by it, but its been there a long time. Ignore the hipster kids who work there, they are of no threat, but the food. Now that’s some good Italian. I recommend the Rigatoni Ragu (grandma’s special). $12.00. Forget any place in Tribeca, West Village or Soho. $200.00 bills for crap food.

    • jjyank

      I feel ya. My mom doesn’t cook for a living or anything (she sells ad space for a magazine) but she’s a damn good one. Kinda hard to find restaurants that do it better.

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

    If this trade goes through, the Yankees are in for a major dog fight with the Jays, Orioles and Rays next year.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Off-the-wall prediction: Jays finish third behind Yanks and Rays.

    • jjyank

      Maybe. Johnson and Reyes are both big injury risks though, so we’ll see what happens. They’ll also need Romero to stop shitting the bed like an infant without a dieper as well.

    • Get Phelps Up

      I doubt the Orioles will be as tough unless they make some big moves. They aren’t repeating those records in one run games and extra innings.

      • Rocky Road Redemption

        This.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Johnny Walker Double Black. Rocks.

    • jjyank

      Happy Tuesday?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        We are flying out to Chicago tomorrow morning for a conference my wife attends every year. After a week of having my son adjust to Daylight Savings Time, we’re now setting the clock back and extra hour. We’re also, for only tomorrow, staying in a single hotel room, which means I have no clue what we do to get him to sleep tomorrow night. After that, we move into a suite, which makes things easier.

        It’s going to be a looooong but, hopefully, fun day tomorrow. We hope we have the sense of humor to treat it as an adventure.

        • jjyank

          Gotcha. Well have fun dude. Always wanted to go to Chicago, I’ve heard nothing but great things from friends who have been.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I’ve been several times. It doesn’t grab me the way other cities do, but we’ll have a good time, I’m sure.

            • jjyank

              My travel to major US cities is pretty limited. NYC, Boston, DC, Philly, and LA are really it. More experienced abroad though. I’ll get around to my own country someday :P

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Great places to see in the northeast.

                Other than a Harvard girl I met online back in college who flew me up for a weekend, I’ve never actually been to Boston.

                • jjyank

                  My best friend is in Boston for law school. I love going up to visit him. Hate the teams, love the city. I know all about New England though. I did go to school in Vermont, remember. I just felt dirty including Burlington on a list with NYC/DC/Philly/Boston haha.

                  • Cris Pengiucci

                    My daughter was considering going to Northeastern before deciding on Fordham. I wouldn’t have been disappointed in that choice. As you said, love the city, hate the teams.

                    • jjyank

                      My little brother almost went to Northeastern too, before deciding to follow in his older brother’s footsteps and go to UVM :D

                      Really is a great city though. But that said, I’m happy with my choice to move to DC.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      I briefly considered Northeastern myself. Imagine what would have been.

                    • YanksFanInBeantown

                      A bunch of my friends go to UVM.

                      I’m pretty sure they all voted yes on that referendum.

  • Rocky Road Redemption

    For anybody who still says that DiMaggio is the better overall ballplayer than Williams, I want you to take a look at their WARs, both fWAR and bWAR. Go ahead, look. I’ll wait.

    I know WAR isn’t a perfect stat, but I want you to take a look at both of them and tell me that Williams isn’t the better player. And don’t say “Williams was a better hitter, but DiMaggio was a better player”, because by that logic DiMaggio is better than Ruth.

    Face it, overall value Williams was better and honestly it’s not even that close. Plus, Williams may have been a dick, but he’s nothing compared to DiMaggio, who took dick to a new level.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      You don’t even need WAR.

      Ted: 344/482/634 190 OPS+
      Joe: 325/398/579 155 OPS+

      DiMag may have been a better defender (although I heard – never saw him play – that Teddy Ballgame played the Green Monster as well as anyone), but offensively, it’s not even close.

      Also, Williams’ .482 OBP is the highest career OBP in MLB history.

    • YanksFanInBeantown

      Ted Williams is the second best hitter of all time. Williams also lost his age 23-25 seasons to WW2 rather than his 29-31 seasons, which does have to be taken into consideration.

      Joe D also had more injury problems than did Williams, and he was a right handed hitter in Yankee Stadium, which suppressed his power numbers. He also had considerably more injury problems than Williams did.

      Despite all this, DiMaggio is the 9th best hitter of all time by wOBA. That’s pretty damn impressive, so why all the nitpicking about one of the greatest players of all time not being quite as awesome as one of the other greatest players of all time?

      • Rocky Road Redemption

        Because it’s an interesting discussion.

        • YanksFanInBeantown

          Like you said, though. Williams pretty emphatically had a better career.

          Any argument in favor of Joe D has to be that he lost 3 prime years instead of 3 development years to the war and that his home park tanked his career power numbers and his injury history, including a knee ligament injury in the minor leagues, shortened his natural peak.

          • Rocky Road Redemption

            That’s definitely true, but then their WARs are so far apart I don’t think that would have made up the difference.

            Even if you only use WAR as a rough estimate, which I do, it’s still pretty clear that Williams was just the better player. Perhaps it’s closer than it appears, but still not THAT close.

  • MannyGeee

    Jeff Loria can suck a dick for the way he’s run that franchise like a video game. “Get ALL the players…. Ok I’m bored… TRADE ALL THE PLAYERZ!!!!” Rinse repeat and wonder why you only get 5000 people a night to show up for your bullshit…

    However in hindsight, I guess anyone could see how a team headlined with Ozzie Guillien, Jose Reyes, Hanley Ramirez and Heath Bell could be anything but a disaster waiting to happen. Hope their fish tank cracks.

    • jjyank

      Ha is it me, or does your description of Loria remind you of a few RAB posters?

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Getting good players is something no Yankee fan can mock. However I do agree a fire sale already is a disgrace.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Are we interested in Nolasco at all?

    • jjyank

      Sure. He’s posted some really solid numbers the last few years. Nothing too flashy, but I think he could be a pretty good back up plan for the middle of the rotation if one or more of Andy/Kuroda doesn’t come back.

  • Giancarlo Stanton 2017

    I would trade our Triple-A team + Arod for Stanton… but maybe I’m biased. Also, I’m pretty sure Loria is running a ponzi scheme.

    In all seriousness doesn’t Bud Selig (not that he ever would) have an option to cancel a trade because it’s just so ludicrous?

    • Get Phelps Up

      The comossioners office will have to approve the trade.

      Chances they cancel it: less than 0.0000000000001%

  • JobaWockeeZ

    So the Marlin’s want to suck again?

    • Preston

      They already sucked, they just want to have a payroll commensurate with their product.

  • Oprah

    You’re going to the Blue Jays! You’re going to the Blue Jays! Everyone’s going to the Blue Jays!!!

    • Preston

      well done

  • Pat D

    Jeffrey Loria has to be the worst owner in the history of all professional sports. He already ran one franchise into the ground so badly that it had to be moved (yes, yes, you can argue that was inevitable, but still). Now it seems like he’s poised to do it again.

    MLB should be ashamed of him, and thereby itself, for it was MLB who allowed Loria to “buy” the Marlins after the Expos moved to Washington.

    This guy somehow conned the people of Miami into paying for a new ballpark that is now destined to be as empty as Tropicana Field. The fans of that franchise should storm the gates of his mansion, drag him screaming from his bed chamber and publicly execute him.

    The problem with that scenario is that, of course, there just aren’t enough Marlins fans who will do that.

    Meanwhile, kudos to the Blue Jays. Sure they’re taking some risks with the money and wondering if Johnson can bounce back and if Buehrle can still pitch in the AL, but they rid themselves of the headache that was Escobar, they didn’t give up D’Arnaud, and they sense that the division is as open as it’s going to be next year. Why not go all in?

    • Giancarlo Stanton 2017

      Seriously, how did the Marlins not get D’Arnaud…. oh, right

      • MP IV is Not the real MP aka Ro

        This is precisely why I am encouraged that Cashman will go pluck Stanton off the scrap heap at 9:37 PM this evening.

        • jjyank

          I shall buy you a steak dinner if you are correct with this prediction.

          • MP IV is Not the real MP aka Ro

            We’re approaching that time!

        • Tom

          No chance.

          Stanton made league minimum last year and either has another league min year or will get a modest arbitration 1 raise.

          Loria is a nut job when it comes to dumping salary – Stanton is several years away from that. There is no salary gain to be had so Loria won’t dump him now.

  • Shelley Duncan’s Ghost

    I guess Selig forgot to turn off force trades this morning.

    • Pat D

      IETC

    • McLovin

      Lol that was a good one.

  • Preston

    This might not be such a bad trade for the Marlins or such a good trade for the Blue Jays when all the rumor milling stops and reality sets in. If it’s Reyes (6/118), Johnson (1/13.75), Buehrle (3/48), Buck (1/6) and Bonafacio 3 arb years left for say Gose, Hechavarria, Arencibia, Henderson Alvarez and Escobar plus a prospect or two, it’s not a terrible trade. I’d rather have Gose, than Bonafacio and you obviously have 3 more years for less, I’d rather have Arencibia than Buck and again you get three more years for less. Henderson Alvarez will definitely be helped by the move to the NL, and you have five years of control, and his age 23-27 years might very well be better than Buehrle’s age 34-36 seasons and will most definitely be cheaper. Getting rid of Reyes is obviously for salary reasons, but Hechavarria has shown he has a nice glove, and might be able to hit at league average (.312/.363/.424 at AAA last year)and Escobar is basically a throw in, who might rehab his image a little bit and be valuable at the trade deadline. So basically as long as you get an upside prospect or two in exchange for Josh Johnson, who has one year left and is injury prone, this might not be a bad trade for you. You’ve cut a huge amount of salary and not dropped production that much. Of course maybe they’re getting Jeff Mathis and a bag of beans and the Marlins are eating half the salary. Who knows.

    • Tom

      Careful with Hechevarria’s #’s – he played in Las Vegas and that whole league is notoriously hitter friendly. If everything breaks well he might have an average bat, in all likelihood he will be a below average bat who sticks around because of his glove.

      Alvarez – back of the rotation filler crap (ERA and FIP around 5, K rate below 4/9IP). I’m not a big Buehrle fan (especially at his age), but the two aren’t even close.

      Gose or Marisnik – the centerpiece of the trade, both can be really, really good but probably not superstar good.

      Nicolino – decent prospect but he’s in A ball and throws I think 88-93mph so he’s not quite a top of the rotation ceiling guy. Supposedly has a very good change and a lot will depend on how his curve develops.

      Escobar – could be the 2nd best player in the deal on the Marlins end. And that tells you what you need to know.

  • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

    If it was the Yankees doing what the Marlins just did, Selig would already be having a press conference saying that he would not allow MLB to be embarrassed like this.

    • vicki

      “for baseball reasons.”

  • Chris

    MLB should shoot this down. How can a team go from 100 million dollar payroll to 16 mill in 1 year because it “didn’t work”? This is beyond BS and makes a total mochary of MLB. So the Yankees take shit for spending and its ok for this total joke of a franchise to sell the team every year? Are they going to sell the stadium next week? I hope that entire franchise burns to the ground. Good for Toronto for preying on the weak.

  • Steve (different one)

    Funny thing is that both Beuhrle and Reyes can demand trades next year. Would be funny if the Jays flop this year and those guys demand to be traded.

    • mustang

      Wow!!!!

      Really that would be great.

    • Pat D

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Reyes demands a trade no matter what.

  • mustang

    Loria destroyed one team in Montréal and he is working on another team in Florida and the Yankees are bad for baseball.

    Another thing if the Yankees were pulling off something like this MLB would anal probing the deal.

  • mustang

    The Yankees trading for Giancarlo Stanton is a compete pipe dream:

    1- The guy is under control until 2017 that’s rebuilding team wet dream.

    2- The Yankees would have to empty their farm system and they’re probably some other team that can offer better.

    If Cashman can somehow pull this off it would a miracle.

    Can someone even give me a reasonable package because I can’t think of any?

    • jjyank

      Loria is crazy? That’s all the basis we need!

      • mustang

        No one is that crazy.

        • Bo Knows

          He sold off two teams that won the World Series, in the offseason following said wins….Loria is as deranged an individual there is short of putting on a foil hat and waving his junk at traffic

    • mustang

      3- He is now the only thing worth watching on the Marlins.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      *takes deep breath*

      Austin, Williams, Montgomery, Phelps, and Mesa?

      • mustang

        I’m sorry but I would want Gary Sanchez in there somewhere.

        • mustang

          Austin, Williams, Montgomery, Phelps, and Gary Sanchez.

          • mustang

            It hurt to even write it.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I”m trying to avoid that.

          • mustang

            It’s unavoidable!!!!!!

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I’m banking on them putting BIG GAME DAVE at the front of the rotation and actually thinking they could start Mesa in CF. Two “big league ready” *smirk* pieces instead of Sanchez.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      Arod should be enough to get it done.
      Maybe the Yankees would have to include $1M or so.
      If Cash can’t get this done, he should be fired immediately.

    • YanksFanInBeantown

      My package: Name 8 guys, Michael.

  • Simon

    Now I understand being a real pompous, snobby, and a super hardcore wealthy dick like Loria seems to be, but I don’t understand how you could possibly be in the business of owning an MLB team and make any money the way the Marlins seem to be operating? By signing big name free agents then ridding them from the joint less than a year in when only about 5000 people show up to a brand new stadium, I don’t get how one could make money conducting business like that? If it’s revenue sharing money, then the Yanks should be somewhat concerned seeing as they are/were funding a idiot.

    I guess what I’m trying to say is, what’s the point of doing all that for nothing?

  • mustang

    Can someone here give me a breakdown of the minor league prospects that the Marlins are getting? Maybe give me the Yankees equivalent

  • Phil

    time to trade cano to the cards for some young talent (one of the young arms, decalso and carperter) and save $25 million!

    • Knoxvillain

      Carpenter? Descalso? Descalso sucks and Carpenter is old.

  • Knoxvillain

    It was a disappointing year for the Yankees, but if I was a Marlins fan I may have killed myself. Thank God.