Nov
21

Sherman: Yankees expected to bottom-feed for rotation depth

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Via Joel Sherman: Expect the Yankees to bottom-feed for rotation depth later in the offseason (January or February), meaning a Freddy Garcia-type on a “prove yourself” contract. Sherman suggests Dallas Braden, who is coming off two shoulder surgeries and hasn’t pitched since April 2011, but he has a bit of a history with the Yankees and it ain’t good.

The free agent market is littered with reclamation-type starters, guys who will presumably take a minor league contract. Someone like Tim Stauffer (a personal fave), Jonathan Sanchez, Kevin Correia, or even former Yankees Dustin Moseley and (gasp!) Carl Pavano could fit the bill. With Hiroki Kuroda back in the fold and Andy Pettitte hopefully on his way back as well, the Yankees would have Ivan Nova and David Phelps as their fifth and sixth starters (in whatever order) with Michael Pineda theoretically on the way at midseason. Signing a veteran to stash in Triple-A for the first few weeks of the season seems more like a necessity than a luxury, actually.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League

56 Comments»

  1. Lance says:

    Kevin Correia is straight up trash. Want nothing to do with that guy. Can’t even cut it in the NL Central

  2. stu phillips says:

    Fans are going to bottom-feed too.

    • Steve (different one) says:

      Fans no come to Scranton!

    • Bottomfeeder says:

      Catcher Position – 200 hitting Bottom Feeder
      Center Field – 200 Strikeout .300 obp Bottom Feeder
      Left Field – The injury prone AAA player Gardner Bottom Feeder
      Right Field – The cycle of bench warmers to play one position bottom feeders
      DH – The endless cycle of .200 hitters bottom feeders

      More then %50 of the Yankees lineup hits under .250 how anyone could spend any money on tickets and going to games is crazy.

      Your 2013 Ny Yankees
      1. Jeter
      2. Bust
      3. Cano
      4. Arod
      5. Tex just about a bust now
      DH. bust
      LF. BUst
      RF. bust
      CF. bust
      C. bust
      The collection of bench players finally made this team what it really is one and done and a cycle of utter crap.

  3. Greg says:

    I’d rather go with Brett Marshall – shoot, I’d rather go with Thurgood Marshall than any of those guys.

    • Preston says:

      Marshall is not ready to go yet, I’d rather let him get 10-15 starts at AAA before throwing him to the wolves in the AL East. Any of these guys we sign would be slated as the seventh starter (CC, Hirok, Hughes, Nova, Phelps, Warren, 8th if Pettitte returns), so it would be an emergency only kind of thing. Let one of these re-treads make the emergency start and don’t stunt Marshall’s development by throwing him in there too early.

  4. Ally says:

    Lol, I understand that Justice Sonia Sotomayor may be available.

  5. Steve (different one) says:

    Sign Braden and put his locker next to ARod’s. Film ensuing hijinks.

  6. The Real Eddard says:

    Excuse me, the New York Yankees bottom feeders? What’s next, a fire sale? This is ridiculous. You either use the kids as depth or you go out there and get a starter that’s worth a damn. Phelps is the 6th starter with Pineda returning in June. But go ahead and sign Sidney Ponson and Darrell Rasner and see how well that goes the second time around.

    • Steve (different one) says:

      Sigh, no idea why I am bothering but…

      Did you actually read the post? They would be doing everything you said:
      1) signing a real starter (Kuroda and Pettitte)
      2) making Phelps the 6th starter

      Even after all of that, they might want to sign veteran depth to stash in AAA.

      There is absolutely nothing objectionable about this plan. Nothing.

    • DC says:

      Why are you complaining? You’re constant advocating every bottom-feeding punch-n-judy hitter available. Why should pitching be different?

    • dan gen says:

      what about mitre…he sucks and no one wants him…189.

    • Matt DiBari says:

      we actually already tried Ponson a second time.

      It was no good.

  7. chiggie says:

    Bring back Igawa. Stash him away in AAA.

  8. Mark L. says:

    I’d try to get Scott Feldman, because I actually think he’d be useful. I’d pursue Wang for nostalgia, and Takahashi because it might be nice to have a lefty swingman. Bedard would be interesting but I suspect that he’ll actually end up with a rotation spot somewhere.

  9. CountryClub says:

    Any time you’re trying to fill your 6th or 7th starter spot, you’re going to be picking off the scrap heap. This isn’t a big deal.

    If Pettitte doesn’t come back, they’ll need to go after someone more reliable. Can’t have phelps and nova as your 4 & 5.

  10. Hoss says:

    Chad Gaudin, Sergio Mitre and Roger Clemens… I think that we should start calling them “cougars.”

  11. Rich in NJ says:

    More profits, less spending. Sweet.

    • DC says:

      Yeah, cause that’s exactly the point of this article.

      • Rich in NJ says:

        The reason they need to bottomfeed is because of their upcoming austerity (in addition to their problem of developing starters). So yeah, it’s exactly the point.

        • Mike Axisa says:

          They’ve been bottom feeding for depth starters for years. Where do you think Aaron Small came from?

          • Preston says:

            And they’ve been really good at it too.

          • Rich in NJ says:

            But the reason they needed Small was their inability to develop starters.

            • Steve (different one) says:

              Sure, but now you’re moving the goalposts. No one is disputing this part, but you were originally linking it to the austerity plan. Which it has little to do with.

              Unless of course Pettitte doesn’t sign and they sign one of these guys to a major league deal, that would be relevant.

              • Rich in NJ says:

                Austerity is another impediment to adding quality players, in this instance pitchers, but it also applies to position players.

                So I’m not moving anything. I am merely adding another reason why they need to bottomfeed.

                • Steve (different one) says:

                  And if the article was about signing pitchers for the 25 man roster, you’d have a point. But it isnt. or at least Mike’s interpretation of Sherman’s article isn’t.

                  • Rich in NJ says:

                    It’s interrelated. The stronger your 25 man roster is (which in the Yankees’ situation is almost exclusively a function of payroll size), the less you need fungible marginal veterans.

                    • Mike Axisa says:

                      The Giants have developed as much starting pitching as any team and they still signed Vogelsong and stashed him in Triple-A last year just in case. This idea that teams don’t need to sign depth players because they should have the replacements internally is not realistic at all.

                    • steve (different one) says:

                      Yes, but this doesn’t really hold with respect to their rotation (assuming Pettitte signs).

                      If Pettitte signs, they will have a very strong and very expensive 5 man rotation (I’d guess the most expensive in the AL depending on what Pettitte gets and maybe only behind the Phils and Giants overall) .

                      I don’t always agree with you, but I usually find your points to be well thought out. That said, I think you are reaching here. Agree to disagree I guess.

                    • Rich in NJ says:

                      Their 2012 payroll was almost $80m less than the Yankees, so they have to watch what they spend on depth.

                      You’re right though. The Giants develop pitchers well and it’s understandable that they would want a cheap veteran in reserve.

                      With the Yankees, at times Colon/Garcia types have to be #2/#3 starters because of the problems they have had assembling a quality starting staff despite their abundant resources.

        • Steve (different one) says:

          Yeah, no it isn’t.

        • DC says:

          Every team with the financial means looks to stash away pitching depth on minor league contracts. It is neither here nor there with your “doom” rhetoric.

    • dan gen says:

      double sweet….

  12. JonS says:

    Please sign Dallas Braden. I want to watch the 25+ interviews Arod has about playing with him after every game.
    Plus the back page would be awesome.

  13. Nathan says:

    Eff Dallas Braden.

  14. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Fine with me. Depth is depth. Not much to see here.

  15. Laz says:

    Braden is the only one I would look into. As long as they bring back pettitte then they still have phelps and nova for the 5th slot.

  16. MannyGeee says:

    I really think our lord and savior has a sense of humor (for more proof, see the platypus). Please god, if you have any sense of chuckles, you’d give us Carl Pavano back on a minor league contract. I think that would be pure gold. The articles, the narrative, the #EddardWorld spin… Great times to be had by all.

  17. Phil says:

    I see nothing wrong in signing a few minor league free agents and letting it play out and see if a guy still has it. It has been mentioned here that Cashman has good success in this department and I think there will be 2-3 guys on the roster from this method.

  18. Joel says:

    Actually, Mike, assuming (as you suggest) that Pettitte re-signs, they’d also have Phil Hughes along with Phelps and Nova for two spots, with Pineda on his way at some point. So no, it wouldn’t be more than a luxury, rather than a necessity to have a guy like Pavano around.

    Not sure what you have against Hughes that you’d forget him, but he’s clearly better than any of the scrap-heap guys you mention and probably better than Nova or Phelps.

  19. Joel says:

    I take it back. You said fifth or sixth. You were including Hughes as the 4th. I’m a dope. Forget what I said.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Your point still stands, though. Having veterans stashed away in AAA is always a good idea, and the Yankees will be far from the only team doing this. This is fodder only for those who have zero understanding as to what baseball teams do with the spots in their minor league systems.

  20. Mike HC says:

    Anybody but Pavano. But knowing how much Cashman seems to love the guy, I see the writing on the wall already.

  21. dalelama says:

    One can feel the rotting Yankee edifice about to collapse as the toxicity of the Arod contract extension and subsequent performance collapse eats away at their foundation and prevents pursuing avenues of improvement.

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