Friday Night Open Thread

Yankees outright Jim Miller to Triple-A
Cashman: No plans to continue upgrading rotation

Hooray for holiday break. I got my last minute shopping done this morning and now I’m just going to chill the eff out for a few days. As much fun as Christmas and New Year’s are, they can be overwhelming if you’ve got a big extended family that demands attention.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. The Knicks are playing tonight, but talk about whatever you like here. Enjoy.

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Yankees outright Jim Miller to Triple-A
Cashman: No plans to continue upgrading rotation
  • Cris Pengiucci

    Guess everyone is off Christmas shopping. Noticed the deal for Schierholtz is complete. 1 year, $2.25MM w/$500k in incentives and he’s still arb eligible for the ’14 season. The one thing that stick out was the Cubs could offer him 500 ABs, which the Yankees probably couldn’t, so maybe he wasn’t really interested in an offer from the Yankees. Too bad. I wanted him.

    • Jersey Joe

      I don’t know, Cubs OF is crowded. Soriano, DeJesus, Campana, Jackson, not sure if Nate is getting 500 AB.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      if he was the left handed side of a RF platoon, I don’t see why he wouldn’t get close to 500 PAs. Besides, he’s delusional if he thinks any team is gonna let him get any significant amount of PAs against left handed pitching, the Cubs included.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Phallus

        Didn’t people other than Mike used to post stuff on here? Like Ben and Joe? What happened to those stiffs?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Kabak’s stuck on the H train in Far Rock.

          • Havok9120

            One less lawyer free in the world.

            Good riddance.

    • Laz

      I was hoping he would be the Yankees RF option over Ichiro. He is 12 years younger and has been a better hitter over past 2 years, and has a great arm.

      .269/.324/.420 vs .277/.308/.361

      Sure he isn’t as fast as Ichiro, but YS RF is not that big.

  • Pat D

    For some reason I’m feeling bummed these days. I think it’s because of financial stuff, having issues getting my health care situation worked out, waiting on the post office to show up with some presents amongst other things.

    Usually I’m always happy this time of year but that hasn’t been the case this year. Something’s off and I’m just not sure what it is. Maybe it’s that I can’t stand up from a sitting position without my left knee feeling intense pain. Maybe it’s taking seven to eight medications every morning. Maybe I’m just too old to be a kid and too young to worry about my mortality constantly.

    Time to go put on some Christmas music, I think.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      Have a drink and watch the Knicks game.

      • Pat D

        Checks Knicks score

        Looks like I’d need more than one drink. Unfortunately, drinking makes me feel uncomfortable.

        • Betty Lizard

          I’m sending positive energy your way. And the days start getting longer now so that may help.

          I don’t drink so I apply liberal amounts of music and Netflix this time of year.

          • Havok9120

            I just realized….are you a Pirates fan now?? 0_o

    • ChristisKing

      Pat,just said a prayer for you with a brother in Christ… Feel better my man

      • Pat D

        I appreciate the thought.

    • turd surfer

      Everything works out. It always does. It helps to laugh and smile.

    • jjyank

      Keep your head up my man. Everyone has dark days, and they all brighten at some point.

    • MannyGeee

      Dude… Your mortality is really killing my boner… Quit it.

      For real though, this is the time of year where you get to enjoy stupid movies and indulge. So go grab some shitty Chinese food and pop on National Lampoons Christmas Vacation… It will feel better, I promise

      Good luck bro.

    • Jacob

      I’m in a similar boat, except it is over a female.

      • Havok9120

        I have that problem as well.

        Go us!

  • ChristisKing

    Seems like the Yanks are just in the signing geriatrics business.. Nothing going on that seems to make our team better.. Keeps them at mediocre..

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Keeps them at mediocre..

      Yeah, because 95 wins is mediocre.

      • ChristisKing

        The Jays got stronger, the O’s are more experienced, as well as the Rays… While the Yankees got older.. The Yankees could’ve won 100 games, they still are mediocre when you’re talking about the playoffs

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          The Yankees got more experienced as well….

          • Havok9120

            C’mon, you’re doing it wrong and you know it.

            See, experience only works for you if you’re a YOUNG team. Otherwise it’s a handicap because you’re old. Jeter probably has flashbacks all the time out on the field. Its why he’s such a crummy defender; he gets distracted by the visions.

            • thunder rd runner

              I think you just blew your own mind!
              The rest of us, not so much…

        • Havok9120

          A 100 win team that got swept out of the ALCS would have been “mediocre” by your standards?

          Yikes. I believe you may be watching the wrong sport.

          • RetroRob

            Yeah, really.

            The Yankees basically need to collapse for some fans to actually have proper perspective.

        • jjyank

          The Jays have a shit ton of question marks themselves, and the O’s are just as likely (if not more so) to regress then get better, and the Rays have done nothing of note other than trade away a very good starter (for a good prospect, but they will likely be worse for 2013 because of it).

          You said that the moves the Yankees have made “keeps” them at mediocre, and you just destroyed any credibility you could have there. To be “kept” mediocre strongly implies that they were mediocre to start with. And the won more games than any other fucking team in the league this past year. Holy crap man, bring your standards back down to Earth a bit.

        • MannyGeee

          The Jays didn’t get 25 games better and the Rays got worse.

          And you can’t move the goal posts to suit your argument… The Orioles didn’t get better, but they got experienced. The Yankees got experienced but didn’t get better enough so it’s not good.

      • Laz

        I agree. I also don’t think this team will be any worse than a few games compared to the team last year. Sure they lose Swish and Arod, but they getting gardner and Youk. Once Arod comes back you can put him in as the DH, which is a huge upgrade over all those ab that Ibanez and jones got. No Garcia, and hopefully Pettitte can give more innings. IDK if they are a WS built team, but I feel they still have a very good shot at division.

      • dan gen

        that was last year…not happening this year………….189,189,189,189,189,189,189

  • Chris Widger

    I honestly think there’s a win or two in guys the Yankees will grab before ST? There’s an awful lot of veterans who might have something left that are still floating around. I’m not saying we’ll find another 2012 Ibanez, but once the minor league deals start pouring in I expect/hope the Yankees to be pretty aggressive in that area.

    • Laz

      Aside from Ibanez’s late season/postseason thrills he wasn’t that great. LF and DH are 2 of the easier positions to play, his offense compared to the rest of league was awful.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    So I go back to school for the third time since graduating high school in one month after a two year hiatus (I’m 23)…and I already feel like dropping out again. Idk why I’m saying this here apart from the fact that you know, it’s completely ananymous, apart from the 3 ppl I’m facebook friends w/ on the board. I don’t get it, how do you guys/did you guys stay in school. I like writing and I love reading, but it all just seems like a load of pretentious bullshit. Here, learn this it’ll make you a better person, plus you need this piece of paper to prove you’re not an idiot, oh you wanna prove that your smart? You need a masters for that, and yeah to even be considered for a “real job” in any sort of field you need this piece of paper. On top of it you need decent money to go to school, or be flat broke. If you’re right above a certain number the government won’t even look at you, but everybody knows you need so much more than “just above that number” to afford school. I’m sorry for the rant, but the fact that you basically need money to go to college and need college to make money makes me incredibly angry.

    • dennyneagleshooker

      yeah, unfortunately that is the case. even after you have said piece of $80,000 paper you most likely will need “experience” before you can get into the realm of baller status. especially doing something with a lib arts degree. if you do that, turn your dick in and prepare to suck at life until your late 20s.

    • Havok9120

      Yeah. As the guy that goes to insanely-expensive Tulane, I can certainly understand the frustration brought on by the economics of college.

      As for the work…I know I’m burned out. I’ve written something like 200 pages this semester. I’ve also read a bit over 10,000 pages. This is just for school and doesn’t count the books, shorts stories, and poetry that I read and write as a hobby. And as someone who recently decided to go all-in and get my doctorate, my only consolation is that there is a lot more where this came from. Blargh.

      • Laz

        WOW. I always hear stories of this, even at my school yet I never did any of that. I put in max 1 hour outside of classes per week.

        • Havok9120

          That was me the first…2 years? Year and a half?

          I mean…that 10K pages of reading isn’t even everything that was assigned. I was up to ~2K pages of reading per week for a month or so. I took too many high-level courses with the History department.

          • forensic

            So glad I’m a Math/Science person. I would totally hate life if I had to read and write that much.

            • jjyank

              See, I love the reading/writing. I’m terrible with math, and I hate tests. People always asked me why I would prefer to write papers, but I loved it. I could bang out a 40 page paper in 2-3 days, easy. And I liked doing it. And the paper would be really good.

              • Havok9120

                That’s me. I set a personal record on a 6 page paper this semester: 1h58m to complete, A- for the grade…On a topic I had done precisely none of the reading for. I felt very accomplished.

                As for math…I’m very good at it and always did well on tests, I simply HATE math with a true and burning passion. Plus I had maxed out my high school’s math courses by the end of 10th grade, so by the time I got to college I was so out of practice that taking math would have killed me.

                • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

                  Jesus dude, I officially relinquish the name Jeff to you. I’m a prolific writer when I set my mind to it, last time I was in school I banged out a 20 page Psych paper and 10 page history paper on the last night of the semester, probably over 10 hours…but 6 pages in under 2hrs w/o any prior reading is damn impressive.

                  • Havok9120

                    I’m currently working on a nice 20 page paper but all progress has slowed to a crawl at page 12. It’s the last thing to do before my semester is over and I’m just….dead. It’s even a topic I picked and researched myself. Blah.

      • BigLoving

        Haha funny I dropped out of college bc I couldn’t afford Tulane. I was also trying to pay my through by working 60 hours a week rotating between commanders palace and Dante’s kitchen. But oh how I miss Nola….

        • Havok9120

          NOLA is certainly quite the place. I could never afford to go to Tulane without the truly insane scholarship and aid packages I received. I love this university though.

    • Laz

      I agree that it is awful, I probably would have dropped out if I had to pay the full price. I didn’t want to be there, but I really had a hard time justifying it for me dropping out, since I was able to pay less than $10k to go to a good ranking school. I felt the school was POS, teachers don’t give an fuck, but people believe it’s good school and that is what really counts.

      I feel they could make the education experience so much better. There was so much wasted time there.

    • jjyank

      I feel ya man. I hated doing the grad school thing, but I knew the result would be worth it. I dealt with it by seeing the big picture. Grad school ain’t for everyone, but it sure as shit is for everyone that wants to compete in the field I’m going in to. So I just kept my head down, did my work, and tried to befriend a few classmates who weren’t pretentious to take the edge off with a couple beers after class/bitch about things. It gets easier.

      • jjyank

        I should add that I didn’t have this problem in undergrad. My school was awesome, most of my professors were awesome, the town was the shit, the area in general was the shit, I had a ton of friends who took the edge off the work by throwing down hard every weekend, etc.

        As one of those 3 facebook friends, I know our situation isn’t like that though, so I feel for ya. I think living on a campus and stuff really made a big difference. Also part of the reason I hated grad school. Commuting back and forth from school and my parents’ house wasn’t so much fun.

    • Pat D

      I’m 32 in February and I’m going back to school next month for the first time since…I think 2005 or 2006.

      Thanks for self doubt. Now I’m really in trouble!

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        Hey, at least your probably going back for a Bachelors or Masters…I’m still trying to stay in school long enough to get an Associates, shit if I had the money and determination to I could be graduating with a Masters in May.

        • Pat D

          Well I didn’t get my Associates until that last class which would have made me 25 at the time.

          Going back to school now is to get a Bachelors, and the government is paying for it, so I guess that’s nice.

          • Cris Pengiucci

            All I can say is, stick it out guys. Wish I had gotten my Masters. As a guy old enough to be your dad (well, not you Pat, but to JJ and Raul), I can tell you it can be worth it in the long run. I stuck it out for 2 years at SUNY Farmingdale (when it was only a 2 year school) and another 2.5 at Hofstra (good but not great school, although they always claimed they were) with merely decent grades, and have done pretty well in my career. It’s tough while your doing it, but you do actually need that piece of paper.

            Now, I have to get off my ass sometime soon and work on my Masters (maybe in the next 2 or 3 years), so I can take that next step. Could be worth an extra $30 – $50k/year for me.

            • Pat D

              I’m definitely sticking with it. I need to maintain acceptable grades in order for the government to keep paying for it. But I really do look at this as my last chance kind of shot and so I intend to tackle it head on. I’m just concerned with having been out of academic settings for so long that it might be tough to go back to that life, but hopefully not.

    • forensic

      I actually liked College for the most part, but I can certainly understand the huge difference if you are staying at home while going. I was away and joined a Fraternity so there was always plenty to do and plenty of people to hang out with.

      As for shitty classes, choosing a major and/or minor early if you know what you might want can help you weed out some of the crap you have no interest in and then you just hope your school has a good number of options for electives to fill your requirements. I was also lucky in that my school had a combined program where I could get my Bachelors and (first) Masters at the same time instead of having to do more years like you said.

      As for loans, there’s nothing good about it and I’ll be paying mine for many, many more years and it absolutely blows, you’re right about that.

      • jjyank

        Frat guy, eh? What was your fraternity? I only ask because I am one myself. I’m an Alpha Gamma Rho brother.

        • forensic

          I’m a Theta Chi.

          • jjyank

            Cool cool. Didn’t have one of your chapters at my school, but I was curious.

            • forensic

              Yeah, we didn’t have one of yours at mine either. My school was over 50% greek (and that’s without Freshman technically being allowed to join), so it was a pretty big thing as you might imagine. Totally loved it though.

              • jjyank

                My school was more like 20%, but still a big deal party-wise. And yeah, it was awesome.

              • Havok9120

                Holy Hell, 50 percent?? The national average is, like, 25. The 35% at Tulane is a bit much, so I can’t imagine 50.

                • forensic

                  Yeah, 50% is a lot, but it’s a smallish school in a small town, so it really helps with having stuff to do. You would be fine if you didn’t want to do it because it’s not like you’re absurdly outnumbered because of the school size (and you can still go to all the parties and things even if you’re not greek of course), but you know it’s there before you choose to go since it’s often on those Top 10 Greek Schools list you see. It’s also still a very academic school despite what you may think just based on the %, so there’s stuff to keep you busy with in terms of that too.

    • Vertical Pinstripe

      The world is full of successful people that are not well educated. Often those people were entreprenurial and started their own business (often with nominal funding) or were good at sales. As Tom Petty says, “There ain’t no easy way out”. But if you hate school, you can either grind it out it or quit. Otherwise you’re complaint is of the first world variety.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Yeah, I’m not quite thrilled with the 20K I still owe in student loans after a good ten years of paying them off, with loan forgiveness opportunities being part of a “lottery” for those in the social service industry.

      I value higher education. A lot. I think you need both book and life smarts to know what you’re talking about in life. I started kindergarten at five and didn’t stop until I had my Masters at 27. My wife, who is insane, took that even a bit further and didn’t stop until her PhD. Like what jjyank said, though, we saw the big picture. We had a mission behind us.

      Not everyone finds that at the same moment we did, though, and, from watching too many friends and family in this situation over the years, it seems absolutely torturous to go through college or whatnot because you feel it’s what you HAVE to do, to please someone else, etc. It isn’t for everyone either and, just because I’m a big believe in it, it doesn’t mean I think it’s the only road to success.

      It looks like you’re taking the plunge again, and absolutely sympathize with the ambivalence. My hope is that you find a reason that’s for you to stick with it. If not, there’s no shame in that. We get to things in life when we get to them, if they’re even meant for us to get to.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        My reason is that it’s the only way to get out of these god damned suburbs, especially my parent’s house. I love my family to death, I do, but the goddamned front I see every family put up when I know and everybody knows that every family around here is broken as fuck is disgusting. I feel like college is the easiest way to remove myself from the brokenness of lower-middle class suburbia that I’ve grown up in.

        • jjyank

          Then do it. At the very least, I’m trying to find a roommate for my next apartment :P

          • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

            Haha, up-root and move to DC? Can you get me a cushy job pushing paper for the Gov?

            • jjyank

              I can’t get you shit, but just throwing that out there.

    • TomH

      Forget the “making money” part of it. Remember only the education part of it. You won’t starve or be on the dole if you do the latter. The American get-rich-or-die outlook is corrupting the entire culture. People can’t talk about getting educated without worrying what their income level will be.

  • ChristisKing

    I may be wrong fellas, but I dont like the make up of this team. I think it’s a mediocre team designed for the regular season..

    • jjyank

      Well, since I don’t believe there is such a thing as being designed for the post season, I’ll take that.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Well, those championship hats are definitely designed for the post-season.

    • MannyGeee

      Yeah, you’re wrong.

      • jjyank

        I tried to me more diplomatic, but yeah, this.

    • Laz

      It’s pretty hard to design a team for the postseason. It is all about getting players all hot at the same time. I think the best thing you really can do is just win your division and have the best playoff probability.

    • Get Phelps Up

      Designed for the postseason = lucky (most of the time)

  • Rigoleto

    Rakuten brought in McGehee because Andruw needed a friend.

  • Havok9120

    My initial reaction when I heard McGehee had signed with Rakuten?

    “All your bench player are belong to us!!

    Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha.”

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      There are people on the internet, and probably on this board who are into video games yet to young to get that joke.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        TOO*** young

      • Havok9120

        Oh, no doubt. I’M too young to get that joke. I’m just awesome.

        For those not as awesome, you must watch the following video. It’s only one minute long, and everyone, EVERYONE should watch it.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FVsijmCFs50

      • jjyank

        I love it though. My first big adventure into online gaming was Empire Earth on the PC. I was freaking good at that game. One of the codes in the single player was just that, so that always reminds me of my EE days when I was in middle school.

        • Havok9120

          The early Warcraft games used the code as well. It was one of the few I had memorized.

          Meanwhile, EE was fantastic (though only the first one). Battleships are a love of mine, and only EE ever let me build futuristic versions of super-dreadnoughts. Easily my favorite out of those types of games, though Rise of Nations (the last real one) managed to put all the improvements of the genre in a single place.

          GoG was giving EE away a couple months ago, so I now own a digital copy for all eternity. Muhahahaha…

          • jjyank

            Yeah, this was the first EE that I was talking about. RoN was good too, but not as good. Love that shit.

  • turd surfer

    Favorite movie from your childhood?

    For some reason Robocop was always one of my favorites. My parents were liberal with what I watched.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      Homeward Bound II: Lost in San Francisco. Except the part where Shadow dies.

      • Havok9120

        Dude…spoilers.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          You can’t call spoilers on anything that’s more than a decade old. =P

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Star Wars. Duh.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        Hi, my name is R-Tils, and I’m old. When I was your age there was only one Star Wars.

        • Havok9120

          Plouffy….you know better than to tease the old and infirm. It’s rude.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I dunno. I never consider myself old. I’m actually pretty glad I was a kid at that time.

          I do, however, await stuart telling us how great “Gone With the Wind” was a child.

          • Jacob

            You mean what it was like to witness the civil war in person?

          • Cris Pengiucci

            “await stuart telling us how great “Gone With the Wind” was”

            Well, since stuart didn’t, I will. (I’m not actually that old, but I was about 20 when Caddyshack came out. Definitely a favorite.)

    • jjyank

      Favorite movie that was made in my childhood, or that I watched in my childhood?

      I watched Star wars IV-VI the most. So I agree with R-Tils on that.

      For movies made in my childhood, I think I’ll roll with Liar Liar. Fucking love that movie.

    • Havok9120

      Gregory Peck’s version of Horatio Hornblower probably got the most viewing by me. No movie made during my childhood got anywhere NEAR as much viewing as that.

    • forensic

      No idea what my favorite was. Some that I still like that were made around then are Back to the Future, Spaceballs (once I understood some what they were spoofing), Police Academy, etc.

      Some of the others mentioned already were good too but I think I was always more partial to comedies for some reason. It’s good to laugh.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    Rolling Rock: The Best shitty beer money can buy.

    • forensic

      Heh, yeah, it’s actually not too bad. Certainly above such classics as Milwaukee’s Best, Iron City, Genesee, etc.

      • jjyank

        Ha. When I was un undergrad, we call it “Milwaukee’s Beast”.

        • forensic

          It was certainly Beast for us too (not even with Milwaukee’s), though usually it was Beast Ice, get the same affect more cheaply and quickly.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          For my friends and I it was just ‘Beast’ and it was always get Keystone before you get Beast, but Beast before Natti(Natural Ice)

          • forensic

            I forgot about Natti, that was maybe the worst one ever. We’d usually try to splurge the extra few bucks for anything better than that.

            • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

              One time, probably sophomore year of High School some kid had a blow out party, invited just about everybody from the school. Everybody threw down 5s and they came back with something like 20 cases of Natti Ice/Light. It was the funniest thing, after about an hour I grabbed one of the cases and went up to somebody that had brought like budwiser(or some other less terrible beer) and traded an entire case for a six pack of Bud.

  • Deep Thoughts

    Holy crap. Meet the Astros’ new closer:

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....veras.html

    • forensic

      I sense you’re not impressed. Won’t be picking the Astros in that new division this year?

    • forensic

      Seriously though, I feel really bad for Astros’ fans. What do they even have to root for or look forward to?

      They didn’t have a single hitter break even an .800 OPS or 111 OPS+ (and that guy only had barely over 100 AB’s). They have some young guys, but do any of them really have that high a ceiling? I certainly could be wrong, but none of them would seem to be real top of the line guys.

      Pitching-wise it seems to be just about as bad. They have Jordan Lyles, but even he’s been terrible for 2 seasons now.

      I certainly could just miss it, but I also don’t hear much about their minors/prospects, so it wouldn’t seem like it’s a future along the lines of guys like the Rangers/Royals/Rays could have.

      It must be really painful.

      • Rocky Road Redemption

        They have Roger Clemens to look forward to, of course.

        • forensic

          But of course.

          How crazy is it that they didn’t even have any guaranteed contracts for 2013 at the start of the offseason. They still don’t have any for 2014 yet. It’s all just arb and pre-arb guys. That’s insane.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    http://25.media.tumblr.com/7fb.....o1_400.gif

    Really, really cool shot of a knuckle-ball.

    • Bavarian Yankee

      wow, that knuckler is moving like crazy! Especially the late movement is nasty!