Dec
10

Update: Yankees moving closer to deal with Ichiro

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4:45pm: Buster Olney says the two sides are moving closer to a deal. It’s expected to get done in a few days.

11:30am: Via Jon Heyman: The Yankees are hoping to re-sign Ichiro Suzuki within the next few days. Last night we heard the team was “showing strong interest” in bringing the outfielder back for 2013.

I wasn’t a huge fan of the Ichiro move at the trade deadline and he obviously proved me very wrong with his play down the stretch, but I hope those three awesome weeks didn’t convince the team he still has something left in the tank. Ichiro is a historically great player, but he’s been pretty bad these last two years (.277/.308/.361, 84 wRC+) and is unlikely to improve at age 39. One defense-first player in the outfield is enough for me, no need for a second.

Categories : Asides, Hot Stove League
  • Robinson Tilapia

    I hope they bring him back AND that they don’t stop trying to improve at that position.

    • MannyGeee (celery cap manager)

      Yeah, give me Ichiro and a lefty mashing OF as apart time resource thanks…

    • jjyank

      Agreed. I’m fine with Ichiro as part of a platoon or a 4th OF type, but I really hope they don’t sign Ichiro and call it quits in the outfielder market.

      • Ted Nelson

        They pretty much have to do something or roll with only some combo of Dickerson, Mesa, and Almonte on the bench.

        • Pablo

          I agree 100%, a 39 yr old will not be able to produce everyday. I would like to see Dickerson get a shot but for some reason they don’t like him.

          • Ted Nelson

            They like him as much as any team in baseball. He cleared waivers, meaning that no other team in baseball thought he was worth a roster spot.

  • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

    all the “too many homeruns” people are about to get their wish with a combined 10 between right and left field

    i like ichiro just worried about having him and gardner regularly in the lineup together

    • Mike

      Melky had 11 HR, but his replacement Blanco only had 5 HR, Hunter Pence only had 7 HR, and their 1B Belt, also only had 7 HR. That’s 30 HR when you combine LF, RF and 1B.

      And the Giants hit the fewest HR’s in the major leagues (though 23rd on the road so their ballpark has a lot to do with that), but still.

      Yankees have a 35-40 HR center fielder (unless he’s traded), a 30-35 HR at first base from Tex (if healthy), and a 30 HR at second base from Cano

    • Travelbug83

      I am so sick of the “too many homeruns” thing. No-one ever claimed that there were too many homeruns. That’s just dumb. People complained about too few other ways to get it done and the team relying on homeruns.
      Anyone who turned this into “too many homeruns lol” clearly didn’t get the point.
      So sick of seeing this. Seriously.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Agreed, and it was certain players in certain moments. Not every player, and not all the time.

      • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

        i dont buy into the too many homeruns thing either but the idea of having two slap hitting corner outfielders doesnt warm my insides

        • John

          If those slap hitting corner outfielders move runners, steal bases, cause havoc on the bases, and play great defense, their contribution will be much more welcomed than praying for that 3-run homer that may or may not come

      • Fried Bologna

        I know this is anecdotal evidence, but I feel like complaints about the complaints about “too many homeruns” are in the majority. We gotta be a 2:1 margin by now. That is getting to be more annoying than the “too many homeruns” complaints. Get over it.

      • RetroRob

        If you look at the Yankees last year, they were near the top of the league in BA, they led in OBP, they led in SLG, and they led in wRC+. That’s the type of offense teams try to construct, not destruct.

    • http://www.yankeenumbers.com Mr. Sparkle

      I’m willing to take the trade-off where when they get on base they might actually steal some bases and create some runs instead of standing around waiting for home runs to knock them in. That was one of the often ignored weaknesses of the Yankee lineup last season.

      When Ichiro came to the Yankees, he openly stated he might try to hit more home runs in Yankee Stadium. He hit 5 in 130 ABs. That pace for a full-season would be about 10-12 Stadium HR assuming he gets 300 Yankee Stadium at-bats. Throw in about four home runs on the road, you’re only talking a handful fewer home runs than with Swisher. Then you’re getting more stolen bases, better baserunning and improved defense.

      Sure, it might disappoint the crowd who think the home run is the only form of offense, but I think the lineup will be fine. Not to mention there will still be plenty of home runs to go around.

  • Knoxvillain

    Let’s hope he just needed to get out of Seattle.

  • Matt

    The most boring offseason I’ve seen with this team. They’ve lost about 90-100 homeruns off last years team. When the stands are empty in June they’ll realize how much they’re losing in ticket sales. It’ll be ok with Hal though who doesn’t care about winning and is just worried about the budget

    • Robinson Tilapia

      The stands will be just fine in June. You can feel free not to show up, though.

      • Dave

        I won’t come to the stadium. And I won’t by any more Yankees stuff. Hal is ruining this team. He was right when he said he was more of a numbers guy because he sure the hell ain’t a smart business man. George knew how to make money.

        • All Praise Be To Mo

          Dave, feel free to go to Matt’s house then as well and don’t show up to the Stadium too.

    • Mike

      Re-signing Pettitte (who was close to retiring again), Kuroda (who easily could have signed elsewhere) and Mo (who also could have retired) is boring? Yeah nothing much has been done since, but why do poeople keep acting as if the season starts tomorrow?

    • Ted Nelson

      Counting HRs as an all encompassing offensive metric is the opposite extreme of “too many HRs,” and is equally useless.

    • Fried Bologna

      Only wins matter. It will probably take longer than June though. Below .500 in mid/late July with no signs of life is a situation where I could see VERY cheap seats on the secondary market combined with an unusual amount of empty seats.

    • gc

      Did you know the 1998 Yankees didn’t even draw 3 million fans? That’s a lot of empty seats for the greatest team in a generation.

  • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

    I’m content with this. I hope they continue to look for improvements (I really hope they bring Swisher back but I know it’s not going to happen).

    I will contiue to be content in September when Ichiro’s triple slash numbers are better than those of Nate “The Second Coming of Christ” Schierholtz.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Third coming. Second is Wil Myers.

    • Ted Nelson

      Schierholtz’s splits against RHP are far, far better. The idea with him was to platoon him.

      • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

        Just to clarify here, what years are you considering with these splits? Schierholtz’s career splits against RHP of .266/.319/.413 are actually worse than Ichiro’s .319/.364/.419. I do realize these numbers take into account the span of Ichiro’s much longer career and that he is certainly on the downside. Even just looking at last year though, Schierholtz’s .287/.360/.466 against righties hardly qualifies as “far, far better” than Ichiro’s .283/.316/.408 which also included more doubles, homeruns and stolen bases then Schierholtz (yes, I realize Ichiro also played more games and had more plate appearances. Yes Schierholtz’s 2012 slash line is a little better, but he is in no way some sort of RHP masher like he’s sometimes portrayed to be on these boards. He’s another singles hitter who’s younger, plays good defense, has a better arm and none of the speed of Ichiro. We just have differing opinions I suppose, but I’d rather have Ichiro.

        • jjyank

          .360 OBP vs .316? In addition to almost .60 points in slugging? That’s a pretty big difference, actually.

          And career stats really mean nothing right now.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          Schierholtz’s OPS .826 vs RHP, Ichiro’s .724. That’s over a hundred points in OPS, meaning yeah he was the better player. I’m not saying I’m livid they didn’t sign him, just that objectively Schierholtz was a better player than Ichiro last year against RHP. “far, far better” is probably a little bit of hyperbole on Teddy’s part, but saying he’s marginally better but it cancels out because Ichiro had better counting stats in more ABs is just as much hyperbole on your part.

          • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

            Better hitter, not better player. I wasn’t trying to say Ichiro was a better hitter against RHP, just that I don’t think it’s as huge of a margin as some other people think it is. I acknowledged that Ichiro’s higher counting numbers were a product of more ABs and that his higher career numbers are a product of a much longer career. Basically, in my own opinion of course, Schierholtz’s batting numbers are not better enough than Ichiro’s to justify the loss of speed.

            Ichiro could shit the bed this year and I’ll end up eating my words, but I still think come September, he’s going to have the better slash line of the two. Myabe that’s just optimism, but we’ll find out.

            • jjyank

              Ichiro will give more steals, but by all accounts Schierholtz is very good on defense too, in addition to being the better hitter vs. RHP at this point. I would have preferred Schierholtz, but it is what it is. Not something to get worked up over.

            • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

              Man, I hope you’re right and I’m wrong, but I disagree… speed isn’t really as important as On Base Ability and Slugging. I’d much rather have the guy who gets on first or second more often than the guy who gets on less but is faster.

              At the end of the day though, we don’t have Nate and will probably have Ichiro so I’m going to root for the dude to play like it’s 2001 again.

            • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

              In response to both of you, you’re right, it’s a moot point at this juncture, Schierholtz is with the Cubbies and Ichiro isn’t even re-signed as of right now.

              I’m being optimistic Ichiro will be more in-line with his Yankee numbers than his ’11/’12 Mariners numbers. Delusional? Perhaps but I’m sticking with it until he makes me recant.

              But really, they should just sign Swisher.

              • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

                +10000000000000 to your last sentence.

          • Kevin Schappert

            Yeah But Ichiro was a different players once he settled in with Yanks–more flexibility–Schierholtz the epitome of the average ball player–Ichiro can be better

        • Ted Nelson

          I was talking about the past two seasons.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      Schieholtz wasn’t the 2nd coming but he does hit very well against RHP and he’s young and solid defensively.

      He doesn’t have Ichiro’s speed on the bases but if you’re going for a RF platoon, you could make a case that he was a safer bet than Ichiro to produce since he’s just entering his prime compared to Ichrio who’s certainly on the downside of his career.

  • Graig not Craig

    I wonder if their interest in signing Ichiro coincides with their interest in trading Granderson? Ichiro provides depth in the outfield, but I would rather see Dickerson given a serious shot.

  • KennyH123

    Ichiro is fine as a 4th OFer. If he plays every day, he’ll be one of the worst corner outfielders in the game. Slap hitting singles hitters who refuse to walk are of virtually no use unless they hit over .350 and steal 50 bases. And Ichiro is not capable of either any more.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      He was worth 2.6 fWAR and 1.6 bWAR last year so it’s not like he has no value.

      I think he’d be OK if they can platoon him with a righty who crushes Left handed pitching.

  • Ted Nelson

    I was also cold on Mitchell-for-Ichiro and wanted Schierholtz over him this off-season. Having been wrong once, though, I hope that he proves me wrong again. I haven’t actually watched tape to see what he was doing pre-2011, 2011-12 with the Mariners, and 2012 with the Yankees… and I think that’s necessary before drawing any conclusions. Everyone was sure Jeter was done after 2010 as well. Then they were sure 2011 was a fluke. Now he’s “fat” and 2013 will be his demise.

    Like Tilapia says above, platooning him with a Ross or Hairston could go a long way.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I liked Mitchell too, but the team had several guys in that back-end mold and were sort of trading from a position of strentgh in thst sense. He spent a lot of time coming up through the Yankee org. I hope Mitchell does well.

      We tend to see performance as too much of a straight line sometimes. I guess that’s the drawback of filling your brain with stats sometimes.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        The Yankees are usually able to pretty easily replace those 5th starter/long reliever types with some reclamation project or a veteran off the scrap heap.

        I always hate to see any home grown talent leave but I’d be really surprised if the day comes where we really miss DJ Mitchell.

      • Ted Nelson

        I assumed that Ichiro would contribute only marginally for half a season, while Mitchell could have contributed marginally for 6 more years out of the pen/swing-man role. Ichiro did a little more than I thought and helped them get to the ALCS, so I’m fine with it. I wasn’t broken up over it at the time, just wasn’t sure it would be a good move overall.

        I think it’s the drawback of not really understanding stats, but trying to use them to project the future.

    • Tony_Turdner

      “Having been wrong once, though….”

      I agree with this. There is no way Ted could have ever been wrong more than once. Just not happening.

  • Rich in NJ

    OK, but I hope it’s as a 4th OF.

  • Sg

    This line up is way too lefty dominant…they need a solid right handed bat in the middle otherwise they’ll continue to get shut down by joe Saunders and Franklin morales

    • Ted Nelson

      Like Kevin Youkilis maybe?

    • Steve (different one)

      While I agree with your point about a RHed bat, I seem to recall them destroying Franklin morales.

      8 HRs in 11 1/13 IP, 9.53 ERA…

  • Mike HC

    Definitely like to see Ichiro coming back. I have hope his numbers with the Yanks will carry over into next season. Jeter had a very similar down year and half, which he was able to bounce back from. Both players in decline, but both all time greats, and should continue to produce this year.

  • Reggie44

    Wow. If there going cheap this year that’s fine. But the better lower there prices. It was one thing when The Boss was here signed the best and didn’t mine paying for it. But if there going cheap bringing and second or thrid tier players better lower your prices or that place will be empty this year.

    • GoNavy-BeatArmy

      And the ticket you fail to buy due to the price… Will be bought by someone else.

      No sense complaining about prices since they are going down…EVER. If you can’t afford to go to the game, watch it at home. I’m fairly certain you can swing $20 for a bleacher seat though if we aren’t below your standards too much.

      • Fried Bologna

        Tickets could go down if the Yankees have miserable showings in the standings in multiple years in a row. It’s improbable but not out of the question. Didn’t the Mets have to lower ticket prices because their product sucks.

        • GoNavy-BeatArmy

          LOL. Comparing the tickets prices of the Mets and Yankees is comical. The Mets have sucked for a prolonged stretch which simply will not happen in the Bronx. While we may not be the best team in baseball next year on paper, there remains a strong likelihood we will be in the playoffs regardless. The Mets will continue to enjoy the bottom of the standings with the Marlins.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Can someone research ticket prices between ’87 and ’94?

      • Mike HC

        The Yankees already have lowered ticket prices at least once:

        http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=4108293

        “The New York Yankees slashed prices on more than 40 percent of their front-row seats by up to 50 percent Tuesday and announced many of those who bought tickets closest to the field for $325-$2,500 will be eligible for additional free seats.”

        They should slash them again.

        • GoNavy-BeatArmy

          They only brought them down because they initially overpriced themselves with the new stadium. The have since adjusted and been doing quite well at selling tickets. Fans will continue to buy tickets, even if they feel the need to complain about the prices.

          The average fan is not sitting behind home plate getting a buffet dinner in the 5th. Go buy a $20 ticket, bring in your own dinner/snacks and enjoy the game.

          • Mike HC

            My point is that it is possible for ticket prices to go down. And they have in the past. I personally think they should be lower. I don’t think there is much value in going to a Yankee game and prefer to watch them at home. If enough fans are willing to pay the current price, I agree that they are unlikely to be lowered.

            • GoNavy-BeatArmy

              Most fans don’t run a cost-benefit analysis when deciding whether to buy a ticket to a game. They go for the experience. If you don’t “value” the experience, stay home.

              Business-wise, of course if nobody shows up, they will lower the prices. This has yet to be seen and will likely not occur. The Yanks are just as profitable now on ticket sales as they were before.

              • Mike HC

                Basically every fan I know considers price when deciding if and how many games they go to.

    • Mike HC

      I 100% agree that the Yanks should lower prices. And not just lower prices for the worst seats in the house. Give the everyday fan a chance to see at least one game in a really good seat.

    • jjyank

      Ticket prices have nothing to do with who they sign or what the payroll is.

      • gc

        True. And last I checked, their payroll for this year is RIDICULOUSLY HIGH!

    • MannyGeee (celery cap manager)

      wow.

    • YanksFanInBeantown

      How did he get the gold to pay for it without mining?

      I knew GSIII was an alchemist!

    • Robinson Tilapia

      “It was one thing when The Boss was here signed the best and didn’t mine paying for it.”

      I just spit out my early lunch.

  • Reggie44

    Not the point go navy. Charge top dollar get the top talent. If u watched the playoffs a lot of empty seats. That never happened when the Boss was here. He would have blown a gasket, a playoff game not sold out. What do u think will happen this year during the season.

    • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

      there were empty seats the year they signed CC AJ and Tex and the team is still going be battling for a top spot in the division. I am not an accounting major, but I assume all the money they get from television more than makes up for a less than capacity yankee stadium

      we need a bit of a reality check — they are not tearing the team apart and they arent going into next year with an 80 million dollar payroll

    • gc

      “What do u think will happen this year during the season.”

      They will draw over 3 million fans.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      ….and that blown gasket would have accomplished?

      Top dollar, top talent. Like Andy Hawkins and Steve Kemp and Danny Tartabull and the list goes on. Weak sauce.

    • Joey from Jersey

      Reggie, loved the timely hitting and October home runs but your memory seems to be slipping badly. Take a look at some of the attendance figures from back when you were playing as well as the mid 90’s and get back me. Also loved the candy bars of yours. Wish I could still get them.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        Opening day 1978 after hitting 3 homers on 3 pitches in the 1977 WS, Jackson hits another homer and the fans celebrate by throwing the Reggie bars that had been handed out onto the field.

        Talk about a flare for the dramatic.

        • Kosmo

          “sometimes I underestimate the magnitude of me“ Reggie. Pass the mustard, bitte.

          • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

            I must, I must!

  • Reggie44

    Gc,Jayant why do u think they have the highest ticket prices and why a hotdog is$5 it’s all about the payroll.wake up people. Your paying for all cash mans mistakes A-rod and so on

    • gc

      Yeah, man, they need to sell more hot dogs so they could sign Josh Hamilton.

      • Mike HC

        haha … while I do think Reggie has a point, this was funny

        • Joey from Jersey

          Yeah, but if he wears his hair right nobody will notice (his point that is).

    • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

      its all about supply and demand…if people will pay it, they will charge it…and next year 3 million people will pay it

    • GoNavy-BeatArmy

      LMAO! The ticket prices are just a small part of the Yanks revenue. They take in so much more from YES, merchandise and advertising. The Yanks are a business. They price the tickets to what they think they can get for them and what they were selling for on StubHub. It pissed the Yanks off that ST holders were unloading their tickets for double on StubHub — that was their profits and they took it back.

      Stick to one complaint at a time too. Are we know moving on to the Yanks food prices? Did you every think it was reasonable to eat at the game? If you can’t afford the food, bring your own.

      You sound like the perfect candidate to watch the game from home.

    • All Praise Be To Mo

      2012 A-Rod wasn’t Cashman’s mistake Reggie. Getting him originally was one of his greatest trades and then when he opted out Cashman was letting him walk and Hank & Randy a.k.a. Dumb & Dumber overruled him and re-signed him to this ridiculous contract we’re dealing with now.

  • Fanintexas

    Oh boy! Another guy on the wrong side of 37! Lets face it, this team needs to rebuild. Let cano and grandy go for some youth. I remember excitement of 95 and 96. It’s not there anymore.

    • Joba is Einhorn…Einhorn is Joba

      the excitement of 95 and 96 isnt there, but that axcitement came from the fact that the team hadnt made the playoffs in 15 years and was pretty bad for 5 or 6 years before that. i dont want the excitement at the cost of having to endure watching a team comparable to the yankee teams of the early 90s

    • Robinson Tilapia

      The wrong side of 37? I always thought that’s what I just hit this year.

      If you’re expecting the excitement of 95 and 96 every year, go watch some videotape.

  • CS Yankee

    Ichiro < Swish
    Stew < Martin
    Nix < Arod
    Adams Raul/Jones

    Tell me there is a Ninja type move (or two) left in the off-season, please.

    • CS Yankee

      Something is going on, as I listed;

      Adams Raul/Jones

      • CS Yankee

        WTF?

        Adams (less than) Chavez
        Gardner (greater than) Raul & Jones

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          haha when you include an arrow and a slash the website reads it as an http command. Like to quote, bold, or cross out something.

          • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

            I found this out the hard way last year while trying to get a similar point across.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Signing Raul Adams would be the most ninja type move ever.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          It’s so off the radar!!!!!!

    • Ted Nelson

      It’s fun to point out all the negative, but how about the positives?

      Why does Nix come into this at all? He’s not even on the 40 man.
      Roughly: Youkilis = A-Rod…
      And A-Rod is out 4-6 months at this point… not gone. Ultimately we’re comparing Youk with guys like Nunez, Nix, Ibanez, Jones… Youk > all of them.

      Gardner >>> Raul/Jones in 2012.

      Pettitte > Garcia, heck Phelps > 2012 Garcia

      Also, Ichiro + Ross/Hairtson > Ichiro

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    I’m gonna root hard for them, but this team is going to have a whole lot of “meh” at the fringes next year between Ichiro, Youk(if he signs), C, Nova/Phelps, and Nix.

    • Ted Nelson

      Youkilis is a top 10 3B, Nix is literally not on the 40-man and played on the team last year, Nova was their #2 starter just a year ago, and Phelps is their 6th SP.

      What exactly do you expect on the edges of any roster? I don’t know how old you are, but the dynasty Yankees had guys like Chad Curtis, Mariano Duncan, Shane Spencer, Ricky Ledee, Luis Sojo, Andy Fox, Gerald Williams, Mark Whiten, Ramiro Mendoza, Irabu, Dan Naulty, Clay Bellinger… playing fairly prominent roles. Guys like Mike Buddie, Mike Jerzembeck, Willie Banks stepped in at times. Knoblauch was Nunez before there was a Nunez. If your biggest problem is your UTL or 6th SP… you don’t have a problem.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        You just made Mike Jerzembeck up, Ted.

      • John

        Don’t forget Brosius, Aaron (effin) Boone, Bucky (effin) Dent, as guys without a lot of power that contributed.

        • Ted Nelson

          My point with that list was more that guys who didn’t contribute much got playing time. Some of those guys had their moments as Yankees, but by and large they were pretty bad and still played on really great teams. A team can have some replacement level guys on it and still win a ton. People still freak out that Mitre was on the team as the last man out of the pen. It amazes me.

  • http://riveraveblues sandy g

    who is cashman trying to fool. does he have us believe that they are going to play all their so called top prospests the same year. heathcott/williams/and austin are not going to all start together along with gary sanchez at catcher. he said they will all be ready by 2014/2015. when was the last time the yankees started more than 1 rookie at a time.my solution;complete overhall now. sabathia would probably ok a deal to oakland (josh reddick)cano to dodgers or st louis.teixeira to washington. lets go…………………..

    • gc

      When did Brian Cashman state that he intends to start all those players come 2014/2015? Don’t confuse him saying that “those players should be ready to contribute” to “we’re penciling them into the starting lineup for sure.”

  • JRod

    Ichiro is an immortal HOF player, and sporting the immortal pinstripes, he will maintain the elevated game we saw in 2012.

  • Kevin Schappert

    Home runs are great but Yanks need more consistent hitting–Swisher was very overrated as an offensive player–couldn’t hit good pitching at all ( .150 playoffs) and a streak hitter–Ichiro probably not full time answer but Yanks need to move in different direction–homeruns nowhere to be found in playoffs

  • Adam

    At this rate we’re gonna have about 10 honeruns combined between RF, LF, 3B and C. Awesome offseason.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Nothing from Eddard?

  • rogue

    Ichiro can play well for at least 3 more years. Maybe longer. He has the right body type.

    He could hit 15-20 HRs playing in YS.

    He’s an exceptional hitter who can handle good pitching. He was on of the (very) few bright spots in the 2012 ALCS.

    • Knoxvillain

      Ichiro hasn’t played well since 2010, so I’m not sure why you think he can play well when he’s 42.

      And he can’t hit 20 home runs a year in Yankee Stadium. Especially at almost 40.

      I expect a .280/.320/.380 line from him assuming he’s back. Probably 8-12 home runs, and about 25 stolen bases. Obviously not as good as Swisher, but I won’t mind.

      • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

        Both of you need to bookmark this conversation and come back to it at the ASB…

      • vin

        “And he can’t hit 20 home runs a year in Yankee Stadium. Especially at almost 40. ”

        Yeah, but don’t discount the Kevin Long factor! #fixed

        • Get Phelps Up

          Can you imagine if Ichiro got together with Long over the offseason and all of a sudden pulled a Granderson?

          • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

            Struck out 300 times and hit 40+ home runs?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Correct answer. :)

    • Zack D

      Over/Under on the times Michael Kay mentions “Ichiro can hit a HR whenever he wants”

  • Rich in NJ

    I’d like him back, but it’s no big deal either way.

  • Jacob

    Kill me now

    • Knoxvillain

      Is there a better alternative?

      • Rich in NJ

        It depends on what they are willing to spend and for how many years.

      • Get Phelps Up

        Swisher.

        • Knoxvillain

          He is, but he isn’t coming back, so I don’t count him.

          • Get Phelps Up

            I still think there’s an outside chance of him returning.

            • Knoxvillain

              I don’t think so. I think if the Yankees wanted him back they would have signed him without risking other teams getting involved. Everyone knows Swish wants to be here. Maybe he comes back, but I would bet everything I had that he doesn’t.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                I’d be very surprised to see that the Swish ship hadn’t sailed. Sadly agree.

  • vin

    Nice 4th OFer. Good job Cashman.

    Now… about that RF vacancy…

    • Ted Nelson

      $20 million All-Stars at every spot or bust!!!!! Poor, long-suffering Yankees fans unite!!!!!

  • There’s the Door

    Buster Olney is reporting this?
    Don’t believe it until it happens.

  • The Real Greg

    Power is important but what the Yankees really need are hitters that don’t strike out a ton. That can move runners over and get runners in. Keeping Ichiro is a step in this direction.

    • Ted Nelson

      What evidence do you have to support this?

      • The Real Greg

        Eyesight.

        • Ted Nelson

          You can make complex calculations with large data sets using only your eyes?

          I’m not telling you that you’re wrong. You are stating a hypothesis that can easily be proven wrong or right, though. This is not a matter of eyesight. In all likelihood I think you are wrong. If you believe that everyone else who has actually done the work to look into this is wrong, though, you should do the work yourself to show that you are right.

          • The Real Greg

            Well, its my opinion. I should have said that.

            • Ted Nelson

              Wouldn’t you rather have something to back up your opinion than a random guess?

              • Preston

                No he wouldn’t. Joe Morgan will argue that bunting and sacrifices are the way to win, and that walks and power aren’t as important as singles and millions of people who want to glorify a former age of baseball will think these erroneous things for the next 100 years. The Yankees don’t even have a problem with K’s, they had the tenth lowest K rate in baseball last year.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    I’m gonna say what I said last night in the Renyolds thread…w/ Youk and Ichiro probably being our offensive moves this offseason, as much as I love this team, outside of the Rotation I smell a lot of “meh” coming off of it.

  • mrdbag

    The best way to protest is an all out boycott. Boycott YES, Yankee stadium, merchandise. I never understand fans that support a non championship team. Cubs fan confound me I mean the team sucks and they continue to show?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Spoken like a true die-hard fan.

    • Preston

      I think you should root for the Harlem Globetrotters. That seems to be more of what your looking for in a sporting event.

    • http://www.nesn.com/2011/01/2011-red-sox-will-challenge-1927-yankees-for-title-of-greatest-team-in-major-league-history.html wilk

      your handle is remarkably accurate

  • John

    How could this writer say something so stupid “One defense-first player in the outfield is enough for me, no need for a second.” Everyone knows defense and pitching wins. Even with a kazillion home runs the Yankees couldn’t get out of first tier of playoffs. Yankees need more Ichiro type players (grinders who can hit in the clutch). With good outfield defense, Yankees may win games 3-2 instead of 10-8.

    • Ted Nelson

      The Yankees did make it past the first round.

    • pat

      Doesn’t 10-8 still count as a win?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Clutch hitter Ichiro hit .215/.275/.296 with RISP this year.

      • CS Yankee

        Ichiro works for a fourth OFer, the kind that Cash use to add for 1-2M$ in mid-Feb. Agree with you that two weak bats in the OF is a bad thing, add the age factor and it is scary.

        While I still have hope that he corrects the liabilities in RF, C and now 3B, it seems strange that they haven’t made any position moves while paying fair market for the veteran arms. One Hamilton type signing and all is forgiven, just say no to Youk.

  • Jim Cavanaugh

    I think the tickets are actually reasonably priced, it’s everything else that’s a problem. Beer for $11, Parking for $35, Garlic Fries for like $9; This is just not in line with the product they are putting on the field. I am going to drop my usual attendance from like 7-8 games to 3-4, unless something changes. I am more disappointed that guys like Andy & Mo are suiting up for one more try at a ring, and mgmt is not surrounding them with top level talent to win one more time. I heard Mo say a few weeks ago he was coming back for a ring … i didn’t hear him say he’s coming to maybe get a wildcard.

  • pat

    I bet he gets two years.