Dec
03

Open Thread: Day One from Nashville

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The news and rumors never really stop at the Winter Meetings, but the first day is nearly in the books. If you haven’t been checking back in throughout the day, make sure you check out today’s post for all of the Yankees-related rumblings. The biggest news of the day had nothing to do with players the team might acquire, but with one of their own. Alex Rodriguez is having another hip surgery, this time on the left side. He’s going to be out at least 4-6 months. That’s rough.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. The Giants and Redskins are your Monday Night Football matchup, but talk about anything else here.

Categories : Open Thread

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  1. Jersey Joe says:

    I’ve always been obsessed by Carlos Pena, but his value was always too high or we didn’t really need him. I feel like now more than ever they need Pena, and his price has lowered. I think he’s an upgrade over Ibanez, for about the same price. Would we be able to sign Drew and Pena to one year deals so they can rebuild power in YS3?

    • Jacob says:

      Pena is a no now, no later, no ever. His power is not worth all his negatives

    • Laz says:

      I think Pena has been underrated for awhile because he takes so many walks that you can get over the terrible avg. Problem with Pena though is that aside from 7 innings he has never played any position but 1B. He could be a dh, but I feel like Yankees plan on rotating Arod and Jeter at DH.

  2. Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

    Brian Cashman: The king of speaking without saying a word.

  3. Len S says:

    Too much fucking, Alex. Too much fucking…

  4. dan gen says:

    no right fielder, no catcher, no third baseman,minus 70 plus homers…..

  5. kenthadley says:

    I don’t like it, but I think Yunel Escobar will be a solution….cheap, available.

  6. Jacob says:

    Time for us to learn some small ball, oh yea I have waited for this for the longest time!

  7. Alkaline says:

    I was able to read quite a bit of the threads today and all I could think is yikes!

    Someone made a comment about how all signs are pointing to rebuilding and dismantling the team. I don’t get it. We had the best record for 3 of the past 4 years (that one year we had second best).

    Will it be difficult with the constraints of the new CBA and the injuries to the aging core? Of course. But why do people think we suck and should just forfeit the season? Do people here overestimate the abilities of other teams? Mike kindly provides us with many blogs of other teams. Why don’t you guys go read their comment sections?

    I have full confidence this team will do what it can to remain competitive and adapt to the ever evolving baseball economy. I’m so grateful to be so young and witness what I have in my life. As someone else said, the worst season I have witnessed is an 80some 3rd place finish it 08.

    If the team doesn’t make the playoffs for the next 10 years, guess what? I will still have fun and enjoy watching the team compete. It’s about the game, guys. To hear that crack of the bat, sitting in the hot sun, following the nuances of the game that most folks don’t get, the cheers, the Top Ten plays, spending time at a game or in the living room with loved ones…THAT’S what makes the game and following the Yanks so much fun for me.

    /endrant

    • Jacob says:

      I think my comment was the rebuilding one, but you might have misenterpreted it. As RT pointed out I was talking more about retooling than rebuilding but I could not exactly put a word to it. Slowly work in the young but not all at once so we can still be good.

      • Alkaline says:

        Ah, gotcha. I apologize if I mistook it. They all started to blend together :D

        I agree, I feel the Yanks will work a way to get some youth in the team. Heck, if Nunez could get passed the mental block of defense, he would have been a nice young addition.

        I just don’t see why so many posters point and say they suck and they aren’t letting the kids play!

        • Jacob says:

          Don’t worry man it is all good. Yeah I know the feeling the people don’t understand it, I see so many calling for the AA kids to play like they are so ready or something lmao

    • jjyank says:

      I agree whole heartedly with everything you said. Well stated.

    • TomH says:

      Someone made a comment about how all signs are pointing to rebuilding and dismantling the team. I don’t get it. We had the best record for 3 of the past 4 years (that one year we had second best).

      Well, all that is certainly true. But what’s so hard to believe about it all perhaps finally being over?

      It’s not unusual for successful teams suddenly to come apart–hell, it happened to the Yankees in 1965 (as I perhaps tiresomely repeat).

      It’s an old team: we all know that;

      people are delirious that a really old Mariano will be back in the bullpen–I’ll be delirious too, if, after a year’s layoff, this elderly fellow comes back in the form to which we’ve become accustomed (but I’m from Missouri);

      Swisher’s HRs are probably gone;

      Martin’s HRs are gone;

      ARod’s out for 6 mos (when WILL his equivalent of spring training occur? June?);

      Jeter: old, recovering from a very serious injury;

      everyone delirious about Pettitte’s return (me too), but man he’s old.

      Prediction: the principal broadcasting motif from the oppositions’ announcers will be, this season, the Yankees’ agedness.

      So, yes, big winner 3 of the last 4, but time marches brutally on.

      Some count on some ineffable Yankee organizational intelligence to pull the team through (they always vote the Yankees’ way high in the weekly poll cause they compare them–they say–to all the other teams, including their apparently dumber organizations).

      Don’t worry about “austerity,” they tell us. Smarts are what count.

      It was money that kept them in post-seasons so many years, not some putative organizational intelligence. What? the organization so intelligent it can’t develop pitchers?

      • mustang says:

        Day 1 of the winter meetings.

      • mustang says:

        And with this pitcher and catchers report tomorrow.

      • What? the organization so intelligent it can’t develop pitchers?

        ——————–

        This made me laugh but there is some truth to it, The last pitcher they developed worth a damn is Pettitte and he’s still pitching for them.

        • jjyank says:

          I get the frustration, but Wang was good before a rather freak injury. Nova flashed some promise before a sophmore slump/injury. I think Hughes has shown he can be valuable. They haven’t handled Joba well, but he is also a valuable bullpen piece. D-Rob has been a great bullpen arm.

          There is most definitely plenty of room for improvement, but I wouldn’t call it a failure either.

          • It’s not a complete failure but it has been somewhat of a mixed bag. I think Joba is a spare part in th epen to ne honest. I like Drob and hopefully he is here for yrs to come.

            • jjyank says:

              Joba has been and can be more than a spare part. And “mixed bag”? Yes. But you can say that for like, 20-25 other teams in baseball. Maybe even more. It’s the nature of prospects.

              • The Big City of Dreams says:

                It is but most teams have at least one guy to point too. The constant complaining wouldn’t occur if Hughes reached his ceiling or if Joba became an ace or Dellin stopped walking guys, etc

                • jjyank says:

                  I get the complaints about Joba. Hughes has had a couple injury issues. Dellin was always a long shot/project type. A lot of teams do have someone to point to, but a lot of teams aren’t drafting 30th, either. They don’t get a Strasberg, a Price, a Bumgarner, etc.

                  • The Big City of Dreams says:

                    True they don’t but after Generation Trey and now the Bs I think some fans are just upset about the whole situation. After those two groups we are still waiting. It wouldn’t be an issue if the plan wasn’t about having cost controlled starters.

                    Yes they are able to draft no doubt pitchers but they haven’t even developed a number 3 type pitcher .

                    • jjyank says:

                      I think Hughes could be a #3. Nova might as well in the future. Banuelos’ TJ surgery sucks, but he’s still only 21. His career isn’t over. And like I said earlier, Wang was a borderline ace for a couple years before a freak injury. I don’t think the pitcher development record is as bad as some make it out to be. It’s not great, but for the most part, pitchers are unpredictable anyway.

                    • The Big City of Dreams says:

                      True its not a complete failure but at the same time there is room for improvement like you said. Manny still has a future. It just sucks he’s losing a yr or so of developing.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  Phil Hughes has been an All-Star, has a World Series ring, and has been a mid-rotation starter in the toughest division in baseball.

                  Chein-Ming Wang was an ace-level pitcher.

          • It’s not a complete failure but it has been somewhat of a mixed bag. I think Joba is a spare part in the pen to be honest. I like Drob and hopefully he is here for yrs to come.

    • mustang says:

      Every once in while in a sea of madness a steady ship floats.

      Well said and well done totally agree.

    • Anthony says:

      Well said. As anxious as I can get about next year and 2014 for this team, at the end of the day I’m just a fan of the game. We could be projected to finish last in the AL East and I’d still be excited for Opening Day

  8. josh says:

    couldn’t a trade for nolasco and escobar fix a lot. add depth at starter, escobar super sub at 3rd and short, and taking on all that money for the year, we shouldn’t have to give up too much.

  9. Jacob says:

    I think a Non-Troll test should be required for admission to the threads

  10. Miked says:

    Over/under third place this year?

  11. wilk says:

    who on earth is going to catch this year?

  12. Dan says:

    Goodbye all top 5 prospects, hello Chase Headley. It’s going to be a sad day when we trade everything so Hal can have his shitty 189 budget. Oh well maybe we can develop position players in 2023.

  13. paul a says:

    You know what a 189 million payroll gets you…. no catcher, no rightfielder, no thirdbaseman.

  14. Reggie C. says:

    Looks like the Blue Jays aren’t done. Rotoworld is citing a report that the Jays are talking to the Mets to get RA Dickey.

    Wow.

    Jays are dangling Arencibia. If they add Aaron Sanchez, i’m not sure the Mets turn that down.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Arencibia & Sanchez is a MASSIVE overpay for the Dickster. If you remember correctly, the Yankees had themselves a field day facing the NL Cy Young. Musta been allthose old guys facing Tim Wakefield anf Phil Niekro…

      But hey… go for it AA, show us all how fucking brilliant you are.

  15. jjyank says:

    Watching the Redskins pre-game show right now. I’m not sure why the one guy keeps saying that Eli needs to “prove himself”. I mean, I am a casual football fan, and I won’t claim to discuss it like I do baseball. But the dude has two Super Bowl rings, isn’t that “proving yourself” enough? Additionally, it was his 77 yard TD pass to Cruz with less than 2 minutes to go in the 4th quater that won the game the last time the Giants played the Redskins.

    • Jacob says:

      It is still New York remember, 2 is not 3! and 3 is not 89!

    • Preston says:

      Football is the exact opposite of baseball. Short season, every game is do or die, last season is irrelevant, in fact two weeks ago is irrelevant. If you did poorly last week, you have to prove yourself this week. If you did well last week, you have to prove you can do it consistently. I think the Patriots started like 2-2 and everybody was wondering why Tom Brady couldn’t close games. It’s the nature of the beast. But generally it’s just like baseball in that’s it’s all an over-reaction to SSS.

    • Bo Knows says:

      He’s been inconsistent throughout his career. A long history of throwing a bunch interceptions and considering the first 4 or so years of his career, people are going to be a little apprehensive about giving him his do’s.

      I was and to some degree still am one of those people, he has begrudgingly earned my respect for his play last year but I still don’t think he’s as elite as he’s given credit for.

      • jjyank says:

        Oh I don’t think he’s “elite”. I do think that he has “proved himself” though, and it’s a bit ridiculous to hear that on the broadcast.

  16. MannyGeee says:

    Yeah… One day into the winter meetings, and we are already seeing people shit themselves. It’s the most wonderful time of the yeeeeeear!

  17. mustang says:

    Damn you guys are depressing me I’m going back to the talking heads telling me how the country is going over the fiscal cliff and my taxes are going up by $5000.

  18. mustang says:

    Damn Day 1 of the 2012 Baseball Winter Meetings and not only is the Yankees 2013 season over they are done for the next decade.

    Shit what did I miss?

    • MannyGeee says:

      oh, you know… bla blah Cashman sucks blah blah 189M cant buy anything these days blah blah terrorists… you know, the usual

  19. Preston says:

    Everybody keeps freaking out about Catcher, and yearning for the days of Jorge, Jose Molina appeared in 100 games in 2008, and 52 more in 2009, with Francisco Cervelli also catching 42 in 09, and Captain Fistpump went on to catch 93 more games in 2010, a Cervelli/Romine/Stewart brigade isn’t the end of the world. Alkaline is right, most teams would envy what we still have in our lineup, Cano, Granderson, Teixeira, Gardner and Jeter make up a strong core. Do we need to supplement it, sure, but we already have our star in Cano, and four well above average hitters, supplement it with a couple of league average hitters and you have a top 5 offense. When you add in a rotation of CC, Kuroda, Pettitte, Hughes, Nova/Phelps and a bullpen with Mo, Robertson, Joba, and Logan it’s laughable to think we aren’t going to be in contention. And this is a team that might add talents like Alex Rodriguez and Michael Pineda for the second half. Is there a chance that injuries/regression make us more of an 85 win team than a 95 win team, sure, but that’s always been a possibility.

    • Laz says:

      Well considering one of the biggest catchers probably available is Arenciba of the Jays. His career line of .222/.275/.433 is not really an upgrade offensively over any of our options certainly makes me feel better. And he will be 27 opening day.

    • jjyank says:

      This, and to add to that: The offseason isn’t over yet. They can still add a couple of pieces to strengthen the team. It’s a useless exercise to look at the layout of the division this early in the offseason.

  20. Hall and Nokes says:

    Holy cow, Strahan looked like a shrimp standing next to CC. I can’t be the only one who saw that.

  21. The Real Greg says:

    You know the way the world ends is losing possibilities as we get closer to the date.

    Asteroid hitting the Earth and flooding from the polar ice caps are out.

    Still alive are nuclear holocaust and alien invasion.

    Any takers?

  22. The Real Greg says:

    That is the dumbest intro for a MNF game I have ever seen.

  23. mustang says:

    Breaking news:

    More bad news new pitcures of Jeter shows that he gain 1 more pound.

  24. mrdbag says:

    Cashman is overmatched I wonder if billy beane could be available. If the team is rebuilding at least have a GM that can do it effectively.

    • Bo Knows says:

      you mean by having a team that prior to 2012 having a team that couldn’t finish .500 in the past 5 years

      • MannyGeee says:

        but how many movies has Brad Pitt played Brian Cashman in? huh, asshole??

        Nuff said, give me Billy Beene. If he’s not available, then get me the South African Rugby player that Matt Damon played.

  25. soxhata says:

    Has anyone noticed that when the RedSux sign Napoli to an inflated contract,MLB network is gushing with praise.Don’t get me wrong.In that park he could be a monster.However,if the Yanks signed him all you would hear about is his defensive shortcomings.Plus.I doubt he is even an average firstbaseman.Only when the Yanks get someone do you hear negative stuff-what bull…

  26. Knoxvillain says:

    Today I got certified in HAZMAT and certified to work for the Department of Energy. Go figure that the Yankees would lose A-Rod to an injury and Soria to the Rangers. It had to be done to offset my happiness.

  27. Hall and Nokes says:

    Geriatric men get me pumped up for football like you wouldn’t believe.

  28. mustang says:

    “The Dodgers are talking to 10-12 teams about potential trades, Colletti said (Hernandez reporting).”

    Now this is front line reporting.

    • mustang says:

      While the Yankees are only talking to 8-10 teams about potential trades. What are the Yankees doing????

      • nothing says:

        Nothing it’s what the Yankees do. All they wanna do is fill their roster with a cycle of replacements and utility then slap them in the lineup. Yankees don;t fill their roster with fixes they just know how to throw out replacements and hope they find their youth again.

      • MannyGeee says:

        Cashman sucks give me Colletti. He allegedly talks to more teams about potential trades, and thats the leadership we need.

  29. Jacob says:

    Breaking News: Don’t worry guys the problems have been solved, In a recent poll Scott Brosius took the lead with 31%, this prompted Graig Nettles to come out of retirement and play 3B, a series of events caused Reggie Jackson to sign and play RF while Yogi Berra has now said he would like to be our catcher. WS HERE WE COME!

  30. Pat D says:

    This is the first MNF game I’ve really watched all year. All I can say is I’m happy that their broadcast now tries to emulate the Super Bowl broadcast in every possible way. They’ve made the hype more important than the game.

  31. mustang says:

    Samuel L. Jackson just hit his all time low.

  32. Simon says:

    I’d like to what you you guys think, Cody Ross? I know he wants 2 years but would the Yankees be able to up the AAV for one year to entice him?

  33. mustang says:

    I did the same play back in the Bronx when I was a teenager..

    Wow too funny

  34. Pat D says:

    The RG3 dick-sucking fest has gone beyond acceptable parameters.

    • Simon says:

      Couldn’t agree more. Of course the kid is good, but the amount of attention he’s received is ridiculous.

    • mustang says:

      Yes it has, but Eli is on the cusp of lighting this Defends up.

      • Pat D says:

        And the offense has now twice shot themselves in the foot and they can’t keep settling for field goal attempts.

        I’m also getting upset with DeOssie’s snapping and I’m pretty sure that this officiating crew sucks and blows.

        • mustang says:

          Agree. Typical WAS/NY game its like the Giants don’t know that they are just the better team.

        • Simon says:

          Well Deossie is usually solid on special teams, but yea giants can’t let that keep happening.

          Defense and running game seem solid tonight, just gotta complete some of those shots down the field with Cruz or Nicks and I think they’ll be good.

  35. Ramiro says:

    Can David Adams play third base? People compare him to a poor man’s Michael Young.

  36. mustang says:

    Who said white man can’t run and throw.

    LOL

  37. mustang says:

    Holy Shit he had alll day

  38. Hall and Nokes says:

    Does Gruden ever make observations that are correct?

  39. The Real Greg says:

    Washington needs some secondary help next year.

  40. mustang says:

    Change defensive schemes all day evently a bad defends shows up

  41. mustang says:

    2 hours left in Day1 of the Winter Meetings and Yankees haven’t done nothing their not even in the rumors.
    What is Cashman doing watching pay for view?

  42. Get Phelps Up says:

    The most surprising thing today was the fact that there were ZERO dalelama comments in the A-Rod thread.

  43. Scheister says:

    Cash could be going all sly and have a five year deal for Hamilton worked out and a trade of ethier Grandy or Cano for an answer at catcher all in his back pocket. Or he could be scraping the barrel for some discounts and bargains, all on one year deals only. The one year deal thing seems to really limit FA interest. Lastly, I’m disappointed Soto re upped with TX.

    Better career? Eli or Peyton, thus far.

  44. mustang says:

    Eli is just nasty under 2mins

    JUST NASTY!!!!

  45. Hall and Nokes says:

    Lord, that was some throw on 3rd down.

  46. Giancarlo Stanton 2017 says:

    I have some sort of feeling Cash might do something and get Brain Wilson, which I’d be all for simply because of the antics he would pull with the NYC media. Doubt he’ll leave SF though.

  47. Hall and Nokes says:

    Tell you what, for a crew that hasn’t seen a hold on any of these stretch runs, these guys sure can spot a hold on the kickoffs.

  48. Pat D says:

    This team is so fucking frustrating. They play with the consistency of flip-flopping politician.

    • forensic says:

      Just a horrible game. Some typical problems (red zone trouble and questionable play-calling) mixed with some new problems (penalties and missed field goal). And of course the defense did nothing when they needed to.

  49. The Real Greg says:

    Giants about to go 1-3 in their last 4 games. the late season swoon is on

  50. Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

    So much to be angry about after watching the Giant game:
    1. What the fuck was the offense doing in the first quarter, it’s like they were shooting a gun with a flaccid barrel.
    2. Where was the Defense? What NFL team can’t guard against a fucking Option offense?
    3. A fucking bubble screen on 3rd and 20 with 5 minutes left down a point? What are you smoking on the sidelines Mr. Gilbrite? Can I have some?
    4. I’m surprised I was able to understand the broadcast the announcers were so balls deep on RGIII. This is like Newton last year, only worse, because Newton at least destroyed a bunch of records.

  51. Pat D says:

    1) Being inept, as is pretty much the norm.

    2) They didn’t tackle worth a damn and once again played completely undisciplined.

    3) Mr. Gilbride has done a lot of good things with the Giants, but his playcalling can be at times…curious, to put it mildly

    4) This is why the sports media cannot at all be taken seriously. They’re all for someone on their way up, and so eager to tear someone down once they reach the top. Cam Newton is a good example. Last year it was all about how great he was, this year it’s all about how he’s regressed and is pretty much terrible. RG3 can expect a similar fate if he struggles next year. But, yea, they’re sucking off RG3 pretty hard right now.

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