Dec
03
Open Thread: Day One from Nashville
ByThe news and rumors never really stop at the Winter Meetings, but the first day is nearly in the books. If you haven’t been checking back in throughout the day, make sure you check out today’s post for all of the Yankees-related rumblings. The biggest news of the day had nothing to do with players the team might acquire, but with one of their own. Alex Rodriguez is having another hip surgery, this time on the left side. He’s going to be out at least 4-6 months. That’s rough.
Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. The Giants and Redskins are your Monday Night Football matchup, but talk about anything else here.
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I’ve always been obsessed by Carlos Pena, but his value was always too high or we didn’t really need him. I feel like now more than ever they need Pena, and his price has lowered. I think he’s an upgrade over Ibanez, for about the same price. Would we be able to sign Drew and Pena to one year deals so they can rebuild power in YS3?
Pena is a no now, no later, no ever. His power is not worth all his negatives
I think Pena has been underrated for awhile because he takes so many walks that you can get over the terrible avg. Problem with Pena though is that aside from 7 innings he has never played any position but 1B. He could be a dh, but I feel like Yankees plan on rotating Arod and Jeter at DH.
Brian Cashman: The king of speaking without saying a word.
The press conference today was unbelievable. So many words spoken, so little actually said.
Bill Belechick was somewhere smiling…
Too much fucking, Alex. Too much fucking…
no right fielder, no catcher, no third baseman,minus 70 plus homers…..
I don’t like it, but I think Yunel Escobar will be a solution….cheap, available.
Clubhouse cancer, no bueno senor
Time for us to learn some small ball, oh yea I have waited for this for the longest time!
I was able to read quite a bit of the threads today and all I could think is yikes!
Someone made a comment about how all signs are pointing to rebuilding and dismantling the team. I don’t get it. We had the best record for 3 of the past 4 years (that one year we had second best).
Will it be difficult with the constraints of the new CBA and the injuries to the aging core? Of course. But why do people think we suck and should just forfeit the season? Do people here overestimate the abilities of other teams? Mike kindly provides us with many blogs of other teams. Why don’t you guys go read their comment sections?
I have full confidence this team will do what it can to remain competitive and adapt to the ever evolving baseball economy. I’m so grateful to be so young and witness what I have in my life. As someone else said, the worst season I have witnessed is an 80some 3rd place finish it 08.
If the team doesn’t make the playoffs for the next 10 years, guess what? I will still have fun and enjoy watching the team compete. It’s about the game, guys. To hear that crack of the bat, sitting in the hot sun, following the nuances of the game that most folks don’t get, the cheers, the Top Ten plays, spending time at a game or in the living room with loved ones…THAT’S what makes the game and following the Yanks so much fun for me.
/endrant
I think my comment was the rebuilding one, but you might have misenterpreted it. As RT pointed out I was talking more about retooling than rebuilding but I could not exactly put a word to it. Slowly work in the young but not all at once so we can still be good.
Ah, gotcha. I apologize if I mistook it. They all started to blend together
I agree, I feel the Yanks will work a way to get some youth in the team. Heck, if Nunez could get passed the mental block of defense, he would have been a nice young addition.
I just don’t see why so many posters point and say they suck and they aren’t letting the kids play!
Don’t worry man it is all good. Yeah I know the feeling the people don’t understand it, I see so many calling for the AA kids to play like they are so ready or something lmao
I agree whole heartedly with everything you said. Well stated.
Well, all that is certainly true. But what’s so hard to believe about it all perhaps finally being over?
It’s not unusual for successful teams suddenly to come apart–hell, it happened to the Yankees in 1965 (as I perhaps tiresomely repeat).
It’s an old team: we all know that;
people are delirious that a really old Mariano will be back in the bullpen–I’ll be delirious too, if, after a year’s layoff, this elderly fellow comes back in the form to which we’ve become accustomed (but I’m from Missouri);
Swisher’s HRs are probably gone;
Martin’s HRs are gone;
ARod’s out for 6 mos (when WILL his equivalent of spring training occur? June?);
Jeter: old, recovering from a very serious injury;
everyone delirious about Pettitte’s return (me too), but man he’s old.
Prediction: the principal broadcasting motif from the oppositions’ announcers will be, this season, the Yankees’ agedness.
So, yes, big winner 3 of the last 4, but time marches brutally on.
Some count on some ineffable Yankee organizational intelligence to pull the team through (they always vote the Yankees’ way high in the weekly poll cause they compare them–they say–to all the other teams, including their apparently dumber organizations).
Don’t worry about “austerity,” they tell us. Smarts are what count.
It was money that kept them in post-seasons so many years, not some putative organizational intelligence. What? the organization so intelligent it can’t develop pitchers?
Day 1 of the winter meetings.
And with this pitcher and catchers report tomorrow.
What? the organization so intelligent it can’t develop pitchers?
——————–
This made me laugh but there is some truth to it, The last pitcher they developed worth a damn is Pettitte and he’s still pitching for them.
I get the frustration, but Wang was good before a rather freak injury. Nova flashed some promise before a sophmore slump/injury. I think Hughes has shown he can be valuable. They haven’t handled Joba well, but he is also a valuable bullpen piece. D-Rob has been a great bullpen arm.
There is most definitely plenty of room for improvement, but I wouldn’t call it a failure either.
It’s not a complete failure but it has been somewhat of a mixed bag. I think Joba is a spare part in th epen to ne honest. I like Drob and hopefully he is here for yrs to come.
Joba has been and can be more than a spare part. And “mixed bag”? Yes. But you can say that for like, 20-25 other teams in baseball. Maybe even more. It’s the nature of prospects.
It is but most teams have at least one guy to point too. The constant complaining wouldn’t occur if Hughes reached his ceiling or if Joba became an ace or Dellin stopped walking guys, etc
I get the complaints about Joba. Hughes has had a couple injury issues. Dellin was always a long shot/project type. A lot of teams do have someone to point to, but a lot of teams aren’t drafting 30th, either. They don’t get a Strasberg, a Price, a Bumgarner, etc.
True they don’t but after Generation Trey and now the Bs I think some fans are just upset about the whole situation. After those two groups we are still waiting. It wouldn’t be an issue if the plan wasn’t about having cost controlled starters.
Yes they are able to draft no doubt pitchers but they haven’t even developed a number 3 type pitcher .
I think Hughes could be a #3. Nova might as well in the future. Banuelos’ TJ surgery sucks, but he’s still only 21. His career isn’t over. And like I said earlier, Wang was a borderline ace for a couple years before a freak injury. I don’t think the pitcher development record is as bad as some make it out to be. It’s not great, but for the most part, pitchers are unpredictable anyway.
True its not a complete failure but at the same time there is room for improvement like you said. Manny still has a future. It just sucks he’s losing a yr or so of developing.
Phil Hughes has been an All-Star, has a World Series ring, and has been a mid-rotation starter in the toughest division in baseball.
Chein-Ming Wang was an ace-level pitcher.
I’d say Wang was more of a #2 (not that there’s really any definition of either) but he was just the ace for the Yankees because they had no one else better.
It’s not a complete failure but it has been somewhat of a mixed bag. I think Joba is a spare part in the pen to be honest. I like Drob and hopefully he is here for yrs to come.
Every once in while in a sea of madness a steady ship floats.
Well said and well done totally agree.
Well said. As anxious as I can get about next year and 2014 for this team, at the end of the day I’m just a fan of the game. We could be projected to finish last in the AL East and I’d still be excited for Opening Day
couldn’t a trade for nolasco and escobar fix a lot. add depth at starter, escobar super sub at 3rd and short, and taking on all that money for the year, we shouldn’t have to give up too much.
Would probably cost too much
Not as much as it could hurt… Escobar is not a ‘company guy’ by all accounts, and Nolsaco is not ‘good at Baseballingz’ by just about any account.
I think a Non-Troll test should be required for admission to the threads
It can be like the spam blocker in the “contact us” portion. A picture of A-Rod with the caption: “This player is ________”
And if they answer “overpaid”, give them the boot. haha
Or put Jeter and if they say “old” well you know
Wouldn’t that test eliminate everyone?
Meh, the people who appreciate A-Rod acknowledge that but don’t harp on it. As for others on here its probably the first word they associate with the guy.
Over/under third place this year?
Ridiculous question,over
How can you ask this when the team has yet to figure out who will play right field, catcher, and third base on Opening Day?
I do believe FIRST place is higher than third, so over.
who on earth is going to catch this year?
The possibilities are endless. I’ll even volunteer. (Well I will require at least League minimum.)
Hey Cashman, I’ll accept half of the league minimum if you sign me instead of Cris
I thought we decided Joe Torre was going to catch? *facepalm*
I like Girardi. I was young during his days as a player with the Yankees, but I feel like he might actually be even more jacked now. If anything, I would love to see someone try to bowl him over at the plate.
I have visions of a reverse buster posey incident now. “Catchers do not block the plate because you could hurt someone ala Joe Girardi killing Dustin Pedroia 2013″ too much?
No, not too much at all. I would love to see that happen. Not killing him, but laying him out…I would pay to see that.
Someone they’ll find between now and April 2013.
Goodbye all top 5 prospects, hello Chase Headley. It’s going to be a sad day when we trade everything so Hal can have his shitty 189 budget. Oh well maybe we can develop position players in 2023.
You know what a 189 million payroll gets you…. no catcher, no rightfielder, no thirdbaseman.
And trolls like you.
I don’t even know if that comment is enough to call him a troll though, or am I missing another post? To me, that’s just a negative opinion on the team’s self-imposed cap decision.
Isn’t the real number around 170-179
stuart’s closet Little brother? Big Brother? Husband? Which are you?!?!!?!?!
Husband.
I thought he was all 3 except little sister not brother.
Looks like the Blue Jays aren’t done. Rotoworld is citing a report that the Jays are talking to the Mets to get RA Dickey.
Wow.
Jays are dangling Arencibia. If they add Aaron Sanchez, i’m not sure the Mets turn that down.
Arencibia & Sanchez is a MASSIVE overpay for the Dickster. If you remember correctly, the Yankees had themselves a field day facing the NL Cy Young. Musta been allthose old guys facing Tim Wakefield anf Phil Niekro…
But hey… go for it AA, show us all how fucking brilliant you are.
Watching the Redskins pre-game show right now. I’m not sure why the one guy keeps saying that Eli needs to “prove himself”. I mean, I am a casual football fan, and I won’t claim to discuss it like I do baseball. But the dude has two Super Bowl rings, isn’t that “proving yourself” enough? Additionally, it was his 77 yard TD pass to Cruz with less than 2 minutes to go in the 4th quater that won the game the last time the Giants played the Redskins.
It is still New York remember, 2 is not 3! and 3 is not 89!
Well it’s DC, actually. I’m watching their pre-game, since that’s where I live now.
oh gotcha
Football is the exact opposite of baseball. Short season, every game is do or die, last season is irrelevant, in fact two weeks ago is irrelevant. If you did poorly last week, you have to prove yourself this week. If you did well last week, you have to prove you can do it consistently. I think the Patriots started like 2-2 and everybody was wondering why Tom Brady couldn’t close games. It’s the nature of the beast. But generally it’s just like baseball in that’s it’s all an over-reaction to SSS.
He’s been inconsistent throughout his career. A long history of throwing a bunch interceptions and considering the first 4 or so years of his career, people are going to be a little apprehensive about giving him his do’s.
I was and to some degree still am one of those people, he has begrudgingly earned my respect for his play last year but I still don’t think he’s as elite as he’s given credit for.
Oh I don’t think he’s “elite”. I do think that he has “proved himself” though, and it’s a bit ridiculous to hear that on the broadcast.
Yeah… One day into the winter meetings, and we are already seeing people shit themselves. It’s the most wonderful time of the yeeeeeear!
LOL….
Its over!!!!
12/12/12
Fiscal cliff
Greenland glacier melting 5 times faster
Fisher Price’s “My First Off-Season.”
Damn you guys are depressing me I’m going back to the talking heads telling me how the country is going over the fiscal cliff and my taxes are going up by $5000.
My favorite is when they call Obama a terrorist
Or a Muslim. Which is straight up hilarious. But let’s not do the politics thing. I enjoy reading the open thread descriptions by Mike without the “no politics” stipulation, so let’s not re-force his hand.
I’m-a get political on your ass!
This sounds mildly erotic. I’m not sure how I feel about that.
You love it and you know it.
But that’s not the way I meant it. Sorry to jilt you, jj.
(Really hoping Dan Gold shows up to make a comment now)
But I meant it that way baby
There he is! Nice of you to show, groupie.
And Pat, I was just playing.
Yeah, here I am, all me all the time, all for you.
My favorite is when they call
ObamaA-Rod a terroristFixed, because this fits too
Damn Day 1 of the 2012 Baseball Winter Meetings and not only is the Yankees 2013 season over they are done for the next decade.
Shit what did I miss?
oh, you know… bla blah Cashman sucks blah blah 189M cant buy anything these days blah blah terrorists… you know, the usual
Everybody keeps freaking out about Catcher, and yearning for the days of Jorge, Jose Molina appeared in 100 games in 2008, and 52 more in 2009, with Francisco Cervelli also catching 42 in 09, and Captain Fistpump went on to catch 93 more games in 2010, a Cervelli/Romine/Stewart brigade isn’t the end of the world. Alkaline is right, most teams would envy what we still have in our lineup, Cano, Granderson, Teixeira, Gardner and Jeter make up a strong core. Do we need to supplement it, sure, but we already have our star in Cano, and four well above average hitters, supplement it with a couple of league average hitters and you have a top 5 offense. When you add in a rotation of CC, Kuroda, Pettitte, Hughes, Nova/Phelps and a bullpen with Mo, Robertson, Joba, and Logan it’s laughable to think we aren’t going to be in contention. And this is a team that might add talents like Alex Rodriguez and Michael Pineda for the second half. Is there a chance that injuries/regression make us more of an 85 win team than a 95 win team, sure, but that’s always been a possibility.
Well considering one of the biggest catchers probably available is Arenciba of the Jays. His career line of .222/.275/.433 is not really an upgrade offensively over any of our options certainly makes me feel better. And he will be 27 opening day.
This, and to add to that: The offseason isn’t over yet. They can still add a couple of pieces to strengthen the team. It’s a useless exercise to look at the layout of the division this early in the offseason.
Holy cow, Strahan looked like a shrimp standing next to CC. I can’t be the only one who saw that.
You know the way the world ends is losing possibilities as we get closer to the date.
Asteroid hitting the Earth and flooding from the polar ice caps are out.
Still alive are nuclear holocaust and alien invasion.
Any takers?
Plants are going to secrete a chemical that will make us all kill ourselves. It’s “Happening”!!!
You cannot tell me that everytime you stare at a plant you do not want to kill yourself, am I the only one?
I am still banking on zombie apocolypse, and that the government put the walking dead on to prepare us for it.
I’m just excited for the parties where (most likely) anything goes, because,you know, we’re all going to die anyway.
That is the dumbest intro for a MNF game I have ever seen.
Breaking news:
More bad news new pitcures of Jeter shows that he gain 1 more pound.
I thought that original picture was misleading a bit. The shirt was baggy a bit on the sides.
But the Jeter/MLB Network intern/Harold Reynolds threesome sex tape released tomorrow shows that he just had a gift basket in his pants.
Dude who in the thressome?
With Jeter’s taste in women that’s the bigger question.
Cashman is overmatched I wonder if billy beane could be available. If the team is rebuilding at least have a GM that can do it effectively.
you mean by having a team that prior to 2012 having a team that couldn’t finish .500 in the past 5 years
but how many movies has Brad Pitt played Brian Cashman in? huh, asshole??
Nuff said, give me Billy Beene. If he’s not available, then get me the South African Rugby player that Matt Damon played.
Has anyone noticed that when the RedSux sign Napoli to an inflated contract,MLB network is gushing with praise.Don’t get me wrong.In that park he could be a monster.However,if the Yanks signed him all you would hear about is his defensive shortcomings.Plus.I doubt he is even an average firstbaseman.Only when the Yanks get someone do you hear negative stuff-what bull…
I think the loss of Russell Martin would make that signing a bit more understandable to the media.
Today I got certified in HAZMAT and certified to work for the Department of Energy. Go figure that the Yankees would lose A-Rod to an injury and Soria to the Rangers. It had to be done to offset my happiness.
Geriatric men get me pumped up for football like you wouldn’t believe.
#nohomo
“The Dodgers are talking to 10-12 teams about potential trades, Colletti said (Hernandez reporting).”
Now this is front line reporting.
While the Yankees are only talking to 8-10 teams about potential trades. What are the Yankees doing????
Nothing it’s what the Yankees do. All they wanna do is fill their roster with a cycle of replacements and utility then slap them in the lineup. Yankees don;t fill their roster with fixes they just know how to throw out replacements and hope they find their youth again.
Dude I was joking.
Day 1 of winter meetings and 2 months and 12 days to pitchers and catchers.
Cashman sucks give me Colletti. He allegedly talks to more teams about potential trades, and thats the leadership we need.
Breaking News: Don’t worry guys the problems have been solved, In a recent poll Scott Brosius took the lead with 31%, this prompted Graig Nettles to come out of retirement and play 3B, a series of events caused Reggie Jackson to sign and play RF while Yogi Berra has now said he would like to be our catcher. WS HERE WE COME!
What? Reggie over Babe?
Outrageous!!!
Well I mean come on we cannot bring the dead back to life!
Yeah but it’s only because Hal is a penny pincher. If his dad was still alive he would have Babe and Gehrig back in the lineup whether it was with robotics or stem cell research or zombification. But cheap old Hal just spends money on “baseball operations” and not the Mad Scientist R&D department.
I would pay so much to see zombie ruth like you dont even know.
Me too…lol
This is the first MNF game I’ve really watched all year. All I can say is I’m happy that their broadcast now tries to emulate the Super Bowl broadcast in every possible way. They’ve made the hype more important than the game.
Samuel L. Jackson just hit his all time low.
Every superhero must have a villain
How’s that?
samuel l jackson Spike TV baby commercial came on. SMH
I wish he would announce just one Yankee game
Haven’t seen it. Will keep an eye out for it.
Your better off not seeing it.
Now I have to go watch it.
Eh, I’ve seen worse things.
I’m sorry
I’d like to what you you guys think, Cody Ross? I know he wants 2 years but would the Yankees be able to up the AAV for one year to entice him?
ehh honestly I think he might be a good platoon guy but he thinks that he is an everyday outfielder.
thats called Delusions of Fenway… go ask Jason Bay, its a common occurance.
I did the same play back in the Bronx when I was a teenager..
Wow too funny
The RG3 dick-sucking fest has gone beyond acceptable parameters.
Couldn’t agree more. Of course the kid is good, but the amount of attention he’s received is ridiculous.
Gruden referred to the TD as “the magic of RG3.” It was nothing more than dumb, ridiculous fucking luck.
Yes it has, but Eli is on the cusp of lighting this Defends up.
And the offense has now twice shot themselves in the foot and they can’t keep settling for field goal attempts.
I’m also getting upset with DeOssie’s snapping and I’m pretty sure that this officiating crew sucks and blows.
Agree. Typical WAS/NY game its like the Giants don’t know that they are just the better team.
Well Deossie is usually solid on special teams, but yea giants can’t let that keep happening.
Defense and running game seem solid tonight, just gotta complete some of those shots down the field with Cruz or Nicks and I think they’ll be good.
Can David Adams play third base? People compare him to a poor man’s Michael Young.
There’s a lot of guys named “Michael Young” out there.
And most, if not all, of them are poor men compared to the third baseman.
“George Michael” too.
Who said white man can’t run and throw.
LOL
Holy Shit he had alll day
CRUUUUUUUZ
Does Gruden ever make observations that are correct?
Washington needs some secondary help next year.
Change defensive schemes all day evently a bad defends shows up
Hello!!!!!
TD!!!
+1
2 hours left in Day1 of the Winter Meetings and Yankees haven’t done nothing their not even in the rumors.
What is Cashman doing watching pay for view?
Seriously I’m loving the silence that’s when the Ninja strike.
The most surprising thing today was the fact that there were ZERO dalelama comments in the A-Rod thread.
Really!!!!!
now that’s news.
Holy shit…THE MAYANS WERE RIGHT!!!
IT’S A TRAP!
Cash could be going all sly and have a five year deal for Hamilton worked out and a trade of ethier Grandy or Cano for an answer at catcher all in his back pocket. Or he could be scraping the barrel for some discounts and bargains, all on one year deals only. The one year deal thing seems to really limit FA interest. Lastly, I’m disappointed Soto re upped with TX.
Better career? Eli or Peyton, thus far.
Eli is just nasty under 2mins
JUST NASTY!!!!
Lord, that was some throw on 3rd down.
Read above.
Like the announcer said, you couldn’t have dropped it in there any better. Helluva throw.
I have some sort of feeling Cash might do something and get Brain Wilson, which I’d be all for simply because of the antics he would pull with the NYC media. Doubt he’ll leave SF though.
SF left him though…
Tell you what, for a crew that hasn’t seen a hold on any of these stretch runs, these guys sure can spot a hold on the kickoffs.
You know the drill. Holding happens on every play…. Madden told me that.
This team is so fucking frustrating. They play with the consistency of flip-flopping politician.
Just a horrible game. Some typical problems (red zone trouble and questionable play-calling) mixed with some new problems (penalties and missed field goal). And of course the defense did nothing when they needed to.
Giants about to go 1-3 in their last 4 games. the late season swoon is on
So much to be angry about after watching the Giant game:
1. What the fuck was the offense doing in the first quarter, it’s like they were shooting a gun with a flaccid barrel.
2. Where was the Defense? What NFL team can’t guard against a fucking Option offense?
3. A fucking bubble screen on 3rd and 20 with 5 minutes left down a point? What are you smoking on the sidelines Mr. Gilbrite? Can I have some?
4. I’m surprised I was able to understand the broadcast the announcers were so balls deep on RGIII. This is like Newton last year, only worse, because Newton at least destroyed a bunch of records.
Shoot, forgot the reply button again. See below for my take, Voldemort.
1) Being inept, as is pretty much the norm.
2) They didn’t tackle worth a damn and once again played completely undisciplined.
3) Mr. Gilbride has done a lot of good things with the Giants, but his playcalling can be at times…curious, to put it mildly
4) This is why the sports media cannot at all be taken seriously. They’re all for someone on their way up, and so eager to tear someone down once they reach the top. Cam Newton is a good example. Last year it was all about how great he was, this year it’s all about how he’s regressed and is pretty much terrible. RG3 can expect a similar fate if he struggles next year. But, yea, they’re sucking off RG3 pretty hard right now.