Dec
01

Saturday Night Open Thread

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Curtis Granderson is a well-traveled man, having gone to places like the Netherlands, Italy, South Africa, New Zealand, China, and Taiwan as part of MLB’s ambassador program, and this year he’ll add South Korea and Japan to the list according to Adam Berry. Granderson will spend three days in South Korea and eight days in Japan in the coming weeks, where he’ll run clinics for kids, hand out donated equipment, speak on panels, all sorts of neat stuff.

In other news, Granderson was recently re-elected as one of the union’s two Association Player Representatives, the highest elected position in the MLBPA. Jeremy Guthrie is the other. The Grandyman’s got a ton of stuff going on off the field, though traveling around the world to promote the game is really awesome.

Anyway, here is your open thread for the night. The Nets are playing tonight, plus there’s college football and basketball on. Talk about whatever, anything goes.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Matt

    Yankees gotta make some kind of trade this week. Need some offense.

    • jjyank

      I agree they could use a trade, but doesn’t have to be this week. Still plenty of offseason to go.

      • jesse

        Yeah, even if they don’t make a trade this week it would be great if the groundwork on a potential trade later this winter was set up, or something like that.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Actually, I have 40% off coupons for Gap next weekend. You have to figure that, Nunez, and Big Game Phelps will get you Giancarlo Stanton. Time is ticking.

        • Cris Pengiucci

          Those 40% off coupons may negate the need to include Nunez. That would also keep Eddard happy. :-)

          • jjyank

            I don’t want to keep Eddard happy!

            • Dan Gold

              keep me happy yanker

              • jjyank

                You’re already a lost cause.

                • Pat D

                  Well that presumably scratches him off the list of suspects for the Martin thread hijinks.

                  • jjyank

                    Heh true. I’m willing to bet it’s someone we don’t even know. Just a troll-lurker.

                    • Pat D

                      I despise lurkers. Just come out of the shadows, dammit!

                      So that I might smote thee.

                • Dan Gold

                  are u going for the all-time post record on RAB??

                  You are certainly in contention, but I think Bexy has the record. You two would make a fine couple.

                  • Pat D

                    Too bad Bexy doesn’t post here anymore. Too busy with her own site, I guess.

                    And I’m pretty sure I’m not even one of the top 10 or 20 posters on the site right now, let alone all time.

                    • Pat D

                      Oh, just realized you were replying to jj, not me. My bad.

                      Blf’iv hgroo z wrxp.

    • http://toyankeesbaseball.wordpress.com/ Matt

      I doubt anything big will happen this week, Cashman likes to wait back and let things unfold before he strikes.

  • fat jeter

    Let’s just hope Granderson’s next destination is another team.

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

      But…but…but…HOME RUNS!!!!!!

      • jesse

        I don’t really like Granderson either, but it would be foolish at this point to trade him. They would then have to replace two outfielders and a catcher knowing they have to trim payroll for 2014.

        • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

          Oh, I’m not advocating trading him unless they somehow swing a power-hitting outfielder in return (unlikely). But I’m not going to shed a tear when he’s gone after 2013.

        • radnom

          They are going to have to replace two outfielders for 2014 anyway, as Granderson is not under contract. No one is saying trading him is better for 2013….but it might be necessary in order to compete in 2014.

          Of course, many seem fine with going all in for 2013 then dealing with 2014/15 when it happens.

          • Need Pitching & Hitting

            If they intend to stick with the 189 plan, 2013 is likely to be their best chance at winning of the next few years.
            Unless they are getting a monster return (unlikely for Granderson), better to put more emphasis on the team with a higher likelihood of winning, imo.

  • Pistol Pete

    Granerrson strikes out too much can’t hit leftys and is a far from perfect outfielder but just exactly where do you think the Yankees are going to replace 43 hrs and 103 rbi’s. the Yankees are losing serious power with Swisher gone, Martin gone, and Arod declining. You can’t win in the AL East without power. If you think you’re going to replace him with anyone with power you’re going to spend a fortune. He’s actually very affordable given his power numbers and contract length. Problem is what do you do after this upcoming season.

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

      There’s no problem. He plays 2013, hopefully puts up good numbers, then takes his talents to South Beach or wherever the hell else pays him.

    • Jacob

      The rays won it in ’08 without much power, now the World Series? that is a different story

      • Preston

        They hit 180 homers that year, they weren’t exactly a team of slap hitters.

    • The Big City of Dreams

      I’m going to miss Grandy

    • fat jeter

      why do we need to replace 43 Hr and 103 RBI across the board? (and i know we are supposed to hate RBI, but if you hit 43 HR, should’t you hit like 120 RBI?) Granderson is all or nothing. Homerun or strikeout. He also has an anemic batting average and a shitty OBP. Ignore the sexy power numbers and get a .300 hitter with .385-.400 OBP. Obviously that’s easier said than done, but you don’t need to replace everything Granderson can do (it’s really only 1 thing anyway, the guy doesn’t even fucking steal bases anymore), just get a guy who is better in other areas. Homeruns are overrated and overvalued, especially in NY. The 1998 Yanks did not have a single player who hit more than 28 HR that season. That team also hit 72 less homeruns than the pathetic 2012 team. Worked out just fine. Fuck homeruns. They’re stupid.

      • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

        Bingo. Your viewpoint is definitely in the minority on this site but I agree.

        Yes Granderson’s power numbers are great, but what else does he do? He used to hit triples (OK, he did play in Detroit) and doubles, and steal bases while having better contact numbers and still hitting a decent number of home runs. Now he is all or nothing, a one dimensional player if there ever was one.

        Some people argue that strikeouts don’t matter, as an out is an out. That is patently stupid and these people have never heard of such things as productive outs. A fly ball or ground ball out can bring in a run from third or advance a runner, a K cannot unless the catcher has a passed ball.

        And the problem with “43 HR” is that is doesn’t take situation into account. How many of those dingers were hit in laughers that didn’t really matter? That is the crux of my problem with power-only guys.

  • OldYanksFan
    • Pat D

      That’s great and all, but that site sucks and its owner can go fuck himself.

  • OldYanksFan

    Grandy’s highly imperfect but we need him this year.
    Next year he’s gone…. so appreciate him in 2013.

  • Robert

    Ichiro is now talking to other teams losing patience with the Yankees.Maybe we will see a lot more of the AA and A prospects than we thought!!!

    • jjyank

      No we won’t.

      • Preston

        Where can we possibly find another guy who’s been below league average on offense at a corner OF spot the last two years?

  • NZYankeeFan

    Re the Grandyman’s travelling, I have to say that on his visit here to New Zealand a year or so ago I don’t think that MLB or the Yankees could have asked for a better ambassador. Saw him an a couple of TV features and heard him interviewed on local sports radio – pleasant, articulate and seemingly very obliging to everyoen he met. A class act.

  • NZYankeeFan

    Re the Grandyman’s travelling, I have to say that on his visit here to New Zealand a year or so ago I don’t think that MLB or the Yankees could have asked for a better ambassador. Saw him an a couple of TV features and heard him interviewed on local sports radio – pleasant, articulate and seemingly very obliging to everyone he met. A class act.

  • Seb

    What do you guys think about trading for Alfonso Soriano? That is.. if the Cubs are willing to take the bulk of his contract.

    • Knoxvillain

      I wouldn’t mind. He could platoon with Ichiro assuming he resigns. Soriano has a terrible glove and has some health problems but if the Yankees only have to pay about 3 million or so I wouldn’t mind the move.

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

      There are certainly worse options then Alfonso returning to NY, provided it’s for the right deal. He’d add some right handed power that they could definitely use.

    • Ted Nelson

      I’d pay him maybe $4, 5 mill per

      • Preston

        But what would you give up

        • Travis L.

          To the Cubs? How about Preston Claiborne? Vidal Nuno? Hell, I’d give them Boone Logan!! LOL.

  • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

    I have no good reason to, but I really, really hate Alabama and Nick Saban.

  • WhittakerWalt

    If Curtis could ju-u-u-u-st not strike out quite so much, I’d marry that man.
    And also if he was into dudes.

  • Neil

    Mark Reynolds, yae or nae? We know he can play 1st even fake 3rd once in a while.

    Entirely unrelated SEC champs game is far better than expected. There’s been, y’know, scoring.

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

      I’m hoping Georgia can pull it off but Alabama’s run game looks unstoppable.

    • Jacob

      Yes, but I do not ever want to see him play third

  • Jacob

    If curtis could only hit for more average and strike out way less, hell even if him hitting 15 homers meant a .280 average with 90 k’s and 35+ stolen bases with a nice OBP, than he would easily be my favorite player because he is so awesome as a person. But this is baseball and personality does not overcome having more strikeouts than the majority of your starting pitchers. BUT atleast he is somewhat productive with his homers and walks, which keeps me from not liking him

    • WhittakerWalt

      I’ll even take 150 Ks if he still does all the other things. But hitting .230 AND striking out 200 times is too much to take. Not to mention looking like a rank amateur in the playoffs (though he was hardly alone in that).

    • Ted Nelson

      Ifhe hit .280 with 15 HRs and 35 SBs he’d likely be much less productive.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Probably not.
        If his BB% stayed the same, he’d be Choo, but with more steals.
        Choo 2012 wRC+ – 131 (.283, 16 HR’s, 21 SB)
        Granderson – 116

        • Jacob

          Thank you for proving my point

      • Jacob

        Nah his strikeouts take a lot of production idc about the one out theory, and with a .280 BA his OBP would be higher because he is still walking so this would mean a better chance for other batters to drive him in so more runs.

  • Neil

    I don’t see the Irish beating either of these two.

    • Pat D

      Well that will be the great debate for the next 5 1/2 weeks.

  • MatUk

    Had a crazy dream where NYY traded Cano, Gardner, Brett Marshall, Dellin Betances, Tyler Austin to the Nats for Ramos, Espinosa and Morse. Clearly the offseason is driving me mad.

    • Pat D

      That’s a nightmare if I ever heard one.

    • jjyank

      Uh, on first glace, I’m really freaking glad that was just your dream.

  • Vic H

    I’m about to graduate with a Masters Degree in Public Administration. If anyone knows of any opening related to my field please give me a heads up. Thanks in advance. Granderson is really awesome and a great role model for the kids to follow.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Very good degree. Congrats.

  • Kvothe

    Is there a reason people (Mike) is against kicking the tired on Jair Jurrjens? He’s only 26. He could rebound.

    • Knoxvillain

      I’d love him on a minor league deal but some team will outbid the Yankees and offer him a major league deal, so it won’t happen.

    • nsalem

      Andrew Brackman and Dave Debuscchere could rebound also but they both are/were not very good pitchers. Michael Jordan is another prime example of a basketball player unable to develop baseball skills. It’s a very difficult transition!!!

      • Preston

        That took me a second, very funny. I actually think Mike could have played. He was 31, hadn’t played baseball since HS and got thrown straight into AA, the fact that he hit .200 is actually impressive.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I laughed.

        In all seriousness, I assume the team will do their due diligence on someone like Jurrjens.

  • Matt

    I have no clue why they have no interest in Pierzynski. It makes them very left handed but he’ll give them a lot more offense than Stewart/Cervelli.

    • Giancarlo Stanton 2017

      He’s a dick, he’s 36 and he’s demanding a multiyear deal.

    • nsalem

      AJ is actually a great guy. It’s a flatulence issue that has alienated him from his teammates.

  • Matt

    I have no clue why they have no interest in Pierzynski. It makes them very left handed but he’ll give them a lot more offense than Stewart/Cervelli

    • Pat D

      Because he’s old, not likely to repeat his performance and a class-A asshole who will probably alienate most of his teammates.

      • Alkaline

        +1

        • jjyank

          +2

      • waneditor

        +3

    • Betty Lizard

      The only thing worse than losing Russell Martin is having to endure the “why not A J Pierzynski” posts.

      It’s going to be a long winter.

      • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod

        Here’s something that’s much worse than losing Russell Martin: losing Nick Swisher.

  • Hornets686

    C Dioner Navarro, LF/DH Alfonso Soriano, and SP Matt Garza for Granderson and Nova!

    • nsalem

      Not bad, but why would a rebuilding Cub team want Granderson for just one year? I think the Cubs would be more inclined to do it for one of our top 5 prospects and a top 10 prospect.

      • Captain Crunch Sabathia

        Granderson, a Cubs fan when he was younger, would probably re-sign there if we traded him. The thing is though we aren’t trading him.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      How many years is Garza signed for? Could care less about the other two.

      I don’t think this actually makes the Yanks any better.

      • jesse

        2013 is the final year of his contract.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Then I can only assume Hornets686 is actually Theo Epstein.

          • Hornets686

            No Comment

            • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

              Nicely played.

  • GoNavy-BeatArmy

    I’m going to go crazy for a moment…

    Yanks give up:
    Cano, Granderson, Nova

    Yanks get:
    Santana, Cabrera, Choo, Masterson

    I think the Yanks come out on top here and give them a crapload of financial flexability. Yes, I would like to sign Cano, but not at 20/yr for 7-8 yrs (which is what he will ask for and may get from someone). Cabrera moves to 2B to cover Cano until Jeter retires. If he’s OK with 2B, deal gives ability to go after someone like Andrus when Jeter retires. Santana fills a need as does Choo. All cheap options. Deal keeps all Yanks prospects for either development or additional trades to fill in more.

    I can ask the common “Who hangs up first?”…

    I don’t see the Indians taking them if they don’t plan on resigning them. However, you would think the draw of Cano/Grandy would be enough to make them bite.

    Criticize away…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Why would the Indians do that? They don’t need a 2B (Kipnis) or a CF (Brantley), and they sure as hell aren’t re-signing Cano and probably not Granderson either.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I actually don’t see how that works at all for Cleveland.

      Cleveland needs all the help they can get, not two guys a year away from free agency and a possible serviceable pitcher.

    • Giancarlo Stanton 2017

      I won’t criticize your opinion, I will just state what I think.

      The Indians would hang up first because it in no way benefits their team. They’ll struggle to compete in 2013 even with those guys. It’s not so much that the Indians wouldn’t plan on resigning them, it’s that neither Cano nor Granderson would want to sign a long term deal with them.

    • vicki

      that’s what the indians need. more left-handed hitting.

  • forensic

    From MLBTR:

    The Cubs will also head to Nashville in search of a rightfielder and a third baseman, though the latter will be tough to fill, Kaplan tweets

    How long till the constant reverse A-Rod for Soriano trade proposals flood in here to replace the A-Rod to the Dodgers trade proposals that have slightly died down?

    • Travis L.

      This is really stupid on my part, but hey…I’m stupid. Would it be worth it to try to get the Cubs to do that trade…if we threw in Heathcott? I know we are giving up a top 5 prospect, but at the same time, we take on what? Alfonso Soriano @ $36m though 2014. We give up Heathcott (a prospect OF) and Alex Rodriguez @ $114m through 2017. We would have to throw in about $20m, but we would save in the end. As GoNavy said earlier…criticize away.

      • forensic

        I understand the money matches up on the Yankees end (in your scenario), but it’s still pretty absurd to think the Cubs, or any team, will just take all that money on. I have a hard time seeing the Yankees eat a large percentage of the money only to still have to pay his replacement too.

        I would also disagree on Heathcott’s trade value, but I know that’s kind of a minority view. I just can’t assume that someone below AA has a ton of value, especially one with significant issues on and off the field, despite his age.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I think that, if there’s a way to get yourself out of the salary commitment, you look into it. You don’t do something desperate, like this, in order to accomplish it, though. This doesn’t make the Yankees better in the short-term, and I very much question if it would in the long term.

      • Simon

        It won’t happen. 3 Things:
        1.) If the Cubs are taking on massive salary I think they’d ask for a lot more in terms of prospects.

        2.) A-Rod has a NTC and would never agree to go to the Cubs, he’s said he’ll exercise the NTC whenever he can so he’s here to stay.
        3.) Even if the trade did happen, it leaves a hole at third where A-Rod is still average to slightly above-average. Maybe they’d try to sign Mark Reynolds but I’d still rather have A-Rod.

    • jesse

      Bet the RAB inbox is filled with ‘em already.

  • Mick taylor

    Trade cano since he is not worth a 180 million 8 year deal. You could then sign Josh Hamilton for 4 years90 million and save that money while getting the same production without the down years

    • Robinson Tilapia

      This completely overshadows Travis’s suggestion of including Slade in a potential Alex/Soriano deal.

      • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

        Well I’m big on the Hamilton for 1/$40mm but that’s just me :)

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Drew

    you know what I dont understand? why the braves are so high on Simmons, that they are reluctant to trade him for Upton. Go out and sign Steven Drew, move Prado to 3rd and you have an a ridiculous team.

    • Preston

      Because Simmons is really good, under team control for longer, and for less money.