Saturday Night Open Thread


It’s the last Saturday of 2012, which blows my mind because I swear it feels like this year just started. Anyway, talk about whatever you like here in this open thread. The Nets are playing and there’s a bunch of college football and basketball on, so at least there’s something to watch if you’re not going out in the snow tonight.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Joe says:

    Hey RAB.

    Just wanted to update everyone and thank everyone for their best wishes this past fall. I got accepted into 6 schools out of 7. Still waiting on that one school though.

    I narrowed my options down to Rutgers and St. John’s. Could go either way.

    • Cris Pengiucci says:

      Nice options. You could do a whole lot worse. Make the best of whatever choice you make, in all ways possible. College, although it seems to suck while you’re there (papers, exams, deadlines, etc.), is a great time in your life.

    • I live next to Rutgers and have no intention of going there once I graduate from my CC in May. It’s a great university, but has no value to me personally.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Congrats. Seems like you can’t go wrong there.

    • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

      Sounds like the one you haven’t heard from yet is your first choice? Good luck there. Nice to be into your save schools already, and to know so early in the school year. No slacking off the rest of the year!

    • The Big City of Dreams says:


    • YanksFanInBeantown says:

      Congrats man. Try to overnight at both of the and make sure you like the “type” of kid at each school. I didn’t do that and now I’m stuck filling out transfer applications during my nice long break.

  2. thunder rd runner says:

    I’m a St. John’s Alum, I loved it there!

  3. Pat D says:

    Woo hoo! Got to use the snowblower! Feel so special!

    Stupid fucking snow.

  4. thunder rd runner says:

    How about some realistic trade options the Yanks can pursue – I’d like to see them make a run @ Asdrubal Cabrera of the Indians. We have zero prospects behind Jeter (I don’t think anyone is still serious about Eduardo Nunez) and the Indians always seem ready to deal

    • Laz says:

      Don’t see the point. They aren’t moving Jeter off of short this year anyways, and drubal only has 2 years of control. Make the trade when you need to, he would just sit on the bench most of the second half of the year. Not worth the prospects if it’s a player you don’t need/won’t use.

      • Darren says:

        Where did you get the idea that they’re moving Jeter off of short? That’s not happening.

        • RetroRob says:

          Right, that’s what he’s saying. Why make a trade for Cabrera when Jeter is going to be playing SS for the next two years (at least) and Cabrera is a free agent after two years. If the team is going to focus resources on a trade, then make it for an area of more immediate need.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      If you’re going to deal big this off-season, I’d rather pick a position in which you’re meeting a need both now and later, such as a corner outfielder.

  5. Jimmy Page says:

    Scott Hairston Stinks!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Horizonal Pinstripe says:

    Watching the old vids posted here on RAB makes me hungry for baseball. At the same time, looking at those teams, with a prime Jeter, Bernie, Jorge, Jusice, Matsui, et al, in a packed and rockin’ Yankee stadium, and the steady decline of the team becomes apparent. The teams of the last few years are certainly not as exciting. Not to say today’s team is dogmeat – they still compete and win, but the golden age of the juggernaut is gone, at least for the time being.

    • Cris Pengiucci says:

      But if those great years hadn’t happened, these teams would look exciting. It’s perspective. We’ve come to expect greatness, so we take it a bit for granted. It’s very hard for any team to be as good as they have for as long as they have and still keep the fans excited. Imagine you you might feel if the team misses the playoffs for 4 or 5 years and then has a run of 3 or 4 strong seasons with excellent post season showings. That always puts it into perspective for me.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      “The golden age of the juggernaut is gone, at least for the time being.”

      At face value, I’d take this as the same ol’ gloom and doom, but I think this is an important sentence.

      The juggernaut was going to end, and it doesn’t surprise me that this franchise’s biggest challenge in a while will come in the middle of this decade, when that core nears retirement age and the guys acquired since become older as well. It’s just not as easy to retool and retool as fans want it to be. This team’s making the postseason every year from 2001-12 AFTER the dynasty years, other than 2008, should be applauded. I also firmly believe they’ll be there again in 2013.

      You’re right, though, in that it’s “for the time being.” You’ll never have another ’96-’00. That doesn’t mean you won’t have something else entirely different but enjoyable as well.

      • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

        I’m thinking how many times Michael Kay said over and over (ad nauseum at the time) during the ’98 season…”we will never see anything like this again.”

        • RetroRob says:

          Having watched the Yankees going back to the late 70s, I’ve seen many, many teams. While human nature says I should call the Munson, Nettles, Guidry, Jackson teams as my favorites since they go back to my youth and they were the first world championship teams I experienced, the fact is that the ’94-’01 teams are easily my favorite. It’s why, given the choice of undoing the end of ’04 or the end of ’01, it’s not even a contest. I’d rather have back ’01 and game seven. That was a dynysty run that compares in many ways with the five straight World Championship runs of previous Yankee teams. Four in a row and five out of six would have been even more impressive, and it seemed clear that ’01 was going to be a changing point. I was greedy and wanted one more because I knew I’d probably never see a run like this again. Kind of feel sorry (not really) if you became a Yankee fan during this period, because Kay was right. You will (probably) never see anything like this again and by extension, you’ll judge everything against those teams and may never be happy.

          My favorite all-time Yankees (that I’ve seen) are Munson, Guidry, Mattingly, Jeter and Rivera. They all have one common thread, because being great players to varying levels. They were all home-grown Yankees. I love when the team wins, but for a fans there is still nothing like being able to call a player your own. (And, yes, Bernie, Andy and Pettitte fall in line right behind.) That’s why if the Yankees were to collapse again and it gave the team a chance to work in a new generation of kids, while also having better draft picks for a couple of years of so, I wouldn’t be all that upset. The great 90s teams would not have happened without the collapse.

          • Herby says:

            Pretty much a mirror to my sentiments as well, having to live through some of those 80′s teams made the resurgence of the 90′s that much more sweet, and remember those 70′s championships even more fondly.

          • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

            Love this comment and will echo – the loss in ’01 was the first time in my life that it occurred to me that God was not a New Yorker. I mean, after 9/11 it just felt so right that the Yankees should win and provide some measure of catharsis and balm – no matter how small – for the people of our city. The loss was so completely emotionally crushing for this reason, above and beyond the idea that it was the end of the dynasty. For me anyway.

            Seems we are about the same age. I learned baseball as a kid in the late 70′s and was blessed to go to a ton of games (including playoffs and WS) with the uncle who taught me what it is to be a Yankees fan. He passed away not long after that period. Man what a fanatic he was, god rest his soul.

            Baseball = my favorite sport by an order of magnitude. Hoops, hockey and football are a distant 2nd for me. ’96 brought me right back to my youth with my uncle. ’98 was an utter joyride. Hard to believe but those teams supplanted the late 70′s teams for me. (Sorry uncle, wherever you are!)


      • Horizonal Pinstripe says:

        I can see ahead to 2105 when the Mason, Slade, Montgomery, Austin and Sanchez may be key contributors. Then with more cap room, signing some big FAs. Always relevant and a realistic shot at dominating once again

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          It will never be same, though, and it will never be that. That just doesn’t happen often. It’s happened multiple times because it’s the New York Yankees and, angry and disappointed as some may be at the current financial stuff, they will never stop being the New York Yankees.

        • The Doctor (formerly known as G formerly known as Matt Smith formerly known as David Tennant formerly known as...etc) says:

          Jeez if you thought the 2013 team was of, just wait until we’ve got 114 year old Mason Williams leading off to begin the season.

    • dalelama says:

      You are so right as I have been pointing out since the day after Damon and Matsui left. The departure of those two clutch gamers was the beginning of the team’s decay. The subsequent departure of Posada also hurt badly. It hasn’t helped that Aroid’s post steroid physical breakdown coupled with his insanely bloated contract has hurt the team’s production and ability to replace valuable pieces as they age. To make matters worse Tex’s either stubbornness or lack of ability to hit to the opposite field has turned his contract into an albatross.

  7. Pat D says:

    I’m thinking of changing my handle name to Father Piero Corsi.


    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

      Don’t think it will go over too well with the ladies.

      • Pat D says:

        I was thinking of adapting it to fit these boards.

        Stuff like blaming losses on the people who post here. It could work either way, too. I could blame trolls for being trolls, but I could also blame that one poster who’s overly supportive of a player who has a bad game. Something like that.

  8. Jacob says:

    I was thinking earlier and it created two questions I could not answer so I figured I would turn to my fellow RAB’ers to help me. First question is: What is CC sabathia’s best game by game score?
    The second: What is the best pitched game by a yankee via game score? I was thinking the second would have to be coney’s perfecto or Guidry’s 18 k’s?

  9. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    I feel like such a loser, two days before new years and for the 3rd year running I have nothing to do for NYE. Anybody else gonna be on the boards on Monday night?

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I have no choice in the matter for the second year straight. We’ve got three separate invitations, but it’s just not worth destabilizing my boy’s sleeping patterns for and our sitter has her own family to spend NYE in.

      There will always be other NYEs for all of us.

    • Stratman9652 says:

      Dude, I have stayed in the past 3 years on New Years Eve and it is my birthday as well. That includes my 21st. That is my campaign platform in the election for the Mayor of Loserville.

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

      Don’t feel that way. Most people I know don’t really like NYE either and the older I’ve gotten, the better staying home and relaxing looks.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Best option has always been getting a small group together at someone’s place, no matter where I’ve lived. I have some friends who actually own a restaurant, so that worked out OK one year, but most bars and restaurants are highway robbery on NYE, and most big parties have always been too much on a holiday that actually does seem a bit more intimate to me.

    • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

      Don’t be so hard on yourself. Life is tough enough without putting more pressure on yourself. I’ve spent many NYE nights totally chilling. This year I’m just going to walk a few blocks over to a bar with live music and chill out with some other barflys I know. It’s bonechilling cold in Chicago, don’t plan to stray far from home.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

        I envy having the city life…it must be 100% different.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Yeah, there’s differences, and being able to have things within walking distance is one of them. There’s sacrifices you make to, with the first being space and relative cost.

          Example: I have a gym membership here in NYC for my regular use and a second one in CT when I visit my in-laws. I was looking into other gyms today, as the chain gym I go to is pissing me off to no end. A gym membership in NYC for closet-sized gym (exaggerating, of course) is $89 a month. I’m able to afford a CT membership I use once a month, if that, because it’s $10 a month for a HUGE space.

          Someday we’ll have a house in the suburbs. It’s where life’s headed, I’m sure. For now, we pay too much for a one bedroom apartment with a vestibule turned into a baby’s room because it’s Brooklyn.

        • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

          I didn’t get to live in a city until I was 34. All in good time my friend.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        In the end, though, this.

        I spent way too much of my fucking life worrying about when I didn’t have weekend plans. It didn’t mean jack-shit in the end. :)

    • Pat D says:

      I’ll be sitting around at home.

      Mostly because I hate being in overly crowded public places, which is all New Year’s Eve will be.

      Then again, at this rate, I’ll be sick by Monday night.

    • Herby says:

      I’ll probably be working…but that’s doing the photography of a band at a small venue. I just have to decide tomorrow if I want to worry about some drunk spilling his drinks on my camera.

  10. I miss the Yankee Stadium that could get loud enough to blow your goddamn brains out.

  11. Aly in Ct. says:

    An early dinner out, followed by the safety and comfort of home, wins out for New Years for me and mine.

    • Cris Pengiucci says:

      Nice thought. We’re still figuring this year out. Not sure if our college-aged, but non-drinking aged daughter will be home or at a friend’s house. Most of her friends have moved away (a lot of military around here for those that don’t go to college). So, we may go out and spend the night at a hotel, may just get a nice dinner early, or may just stay home. Not sure yet.

  12. Cris Pengiucci says:

    So who on here is a Home Theater expert (or at least more expert than me)? Trying to get better sound from my center channel speaker in Surround mode. I’ve got great front speakers (Infinity Reference series RS6000) and the rest of my surround system is an Infinity boxed set (TSS-1200). I’m running this through a Denon amp (AVR-2808). The RS6000s are crystal clear but the center channel speaker just doesn’t hold up in comparison. Voices don’t come through loud or clear enough. Anyone have a suggestion? :-)

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I don’t talk about this much on here, but the site I co-run is a surround sound site.

      Good places where you can ask about this are: (yes, I co-run it. Please don’t troll. It’s not that interesting a site, honestly, unless you’re a wonk for homebrew surround)

      Lots of helpful guys on both.

      I’m not an expert on hardware. I’ve been slowly trying to upgrade what I’ve got, but I’m not moving past my Polk mini-system until I actually have a house. Upgraded my receiver to a Yamaha that decodes DTS-HD last year and bought an Oppo universal player (highly recommended – plays Blu-Ray, but also the almost-dead formats like SACD and DVD-A).

      My non-expert guess is that you have your center as a small rather than large speaker on your receiver, or don’t have enough gain on it. I think I have my center at +5 dbs from my fronts at the moment. I care a ton about music on it and vocal is important.

      Hope that helps. Honestly, though, check out the sites. I greatly trust the guys on both.

      • Cris Pengiucci says:

        Setting the center channel to Large helped. Played with a couple of other settings as well. I’m reviewing info on AVSForums specifically about my receiver to see if I can find something there. So many settings and I really don’t understand them all, even after owning the unit for like 5 or 6 years. :-(

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          AVS is a good resource for that sort of thing.

        • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

          I’m a monster AVS guy and home theater nut in general. If your receiver has test tones to set levels for your 5 channels buy or borrow an spl meter. Rat shack sells a cheap one (you could even buy one and return it after using it…) It’s dead simple. Set and forget type thing. Chances are what RT says is right in some combination.

          That said, in an ideal world your center would be up to snuff with your L/R channel mains.

        • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

          For giggles, run one of your L/R as your center and watch a movie and see how it sounds.

  13. Austin Aunelowitzky says:

    Congratulations to Jerry York for becoming the Winningest coach in NCAA Hockey ALL TIME! 925 Wins. Best. Coach. Ever. Go BC!

  14. Austin Aunelowitzky says:

    I can’t believe Axisa isn’t listed here!

    • Pat D says:

      At least Old Hoss made the list. His analysis of the ESPN Hall of 100 was pretty hilarious.

      • RetroRob says:

        I have little use for Twitter, or so I thought. I eventually created an account just to follow baseball writers/people. Quick way to keep up on what’s happening. So while I don’t tweet, I have found it’s a way to keep up.

        Lists like the BA one scare me since I’m afraid I’ll find even more to follow. For the most part, I have many of those on my list, or I rejected them for various reasons. Beyond the national writers, Yankee beat writers and sabermetric types, I’ll mix in interesting or funny ones. Old Hoss is a must. Brandon McCarthy, Faux John Sterling and, oh yeah, Fake Derek Jeter.

        • forensic says:

          I still haven’t bothered to get on Twitter. Most times I have a chance to be online, I’ll check here and MLBTR several times anyway. Since MLBTR posts just about everything that is ever tweeted (and then the tweet that contradicts it 20 minutes later) I still don’t really see the need.

          • RetroRob says:

            I wouldn’t really encourage anybody to get on Twitter. I totally understand why celebs are on it, or anyone trying to promote their work and sites are on Twitter. Most people, however, can get along just fine without it.

            I set up an account to see if there was anything of interest. Once I figured out who I wanted to follow, I’ll scan through my feed a couple times a day on my mobile. Takes a few seconds and I’ll usually find a couple items of interest. But, yeah, you can live just fine without it.

  15. Havok9120 says:

    Man, watching that video made me even more appreciative that Pettitte came out of retirement and that Mo decided to pitch next season. I’ll never get to see Moose pitch in the MLB again. :(

  16. Pistol Pete says:

    Was never a huge Moose fan a little too finicky for me and not a great big game post season performer but with that said winning 270 games all in the AL East during the steroid era is an enormous accomplishment and worthy of serious Hall of Fame consideration. He was one out away from a perfect game at Fenway, won 20 games his final season and pitched to a sub 3.5 era for nearly 20 years all in the AL East. His career accomplishments will not be achieved by very many current pitchers in fact I’m not sure anybody could win 270 games in the AL East the way today’s game is played. A career well performed.

    • forensic says:

      His career postseason ERA, WHIP, H/9, K/9, and K/BB were all better than his career regular season numbers.

      • Pistol Pete says:

        He was 8 and 9 lifetime and while with the Yanks I never felt he was a big game pitcher. I was always more comfortable with Wells El Duque Pettitte and Cone. I was never as comfortable with Moose. I just don’t think he raised his game enough and was as comfortable on the biggest stage. None of those four I just mentioned to you are going to the Hall of Fame or has career totals like Moose but I’d take every one of them over him with the season on the line, everyone.

        • forensic says:

          Really? Won-loss record (he was actually 7-8) to judge him over the span of 23 games?

          Moose’s numbers (other than W-L) either easily beat or are pretty similar to all the numbers of Wells, Cone, and even moreso Pettitte.

          El Duque is arguably one of the greatest postseason pitchers of all-time, but even still Moose beats him in WHIP, BB/9, and K/9.

          Is it Moose’s fault that Gordon and Mo blew Game 5 of 2004 ALCS? Or that the Yankees couldn’t hit the Twins in game 1 of 2003 or 2004 ALDS? Or that they couldn’t hit Wakefield in game 4 of 2003 ALCS (and of course we’ll ignore what he did in game 7 since that’s actually good)? or that they couldn’t hit Miguel Batista in game 5 of 2001 WS? or that the O’s didn’t score a single run for him in the 15 innings he pitched in the 1997 ALCS?

          Of course, you can’t give him all of these, but it’s pretty clear that a little offense or a break or two here and there would’ve easily changed his W-L record, and I’m sure your opinion of him, without him pitching any different.

          • forensic says:

            Sorry, the beginning of that really came off pretty dick-ish, but I didn’t mean it like that. I just don’t understand how you’re using W-L over such a small sample to judge him.

            Over the 400-500 starts of their careers, sure that means something overall. But in the 20-25 games of their postseasons, I don’t buy it.

  17. sounds like a great plan occar

  18. Pistol Pete says:

    He started 21 post season games and won 7 and if you’re going to be considered a big game pitcher that doesn’t get it done. Tell me what one of the four I mentioned you would bench in favor of Moose as a Yankee with the season on the line?

    • forensic says:

      So, 21 starts and 7 wins isn’t enough, but 21 starts and 8 wins (for Cone) is? That 1 win difference changes everything?

      Based on the guys you gave, I would start El Duque over everyone in the postseason, just can’t argue much with his overall production in those situations.

      After him, I take Moose over Cone as a righties. If the season is on the line, I’d want to know what lineup I’m facing (and in what Stadium). If it’s a lefty heavy lineup, maybe I consider a Wells or Pettitte, but if it’s neutral or righty, I still think I’m taking Moose.

      • Pistol Pete says:

        You’re nuts,those guys were big game pitchers. In big games it’s not about whip era k’s per nine it’s about wins and knowing how to get there. There are intangibles in sports like why Eli Manning can navigate a late game drive better than almost anyone but is far behind many quarterbacks in statistics. I hate Curt Schilling, Mussina was clearly the better career pitcher but Shilling rose his game in the post season he actually got better. Cone ElDuque Pettitte and Wells had the knack of rising to a higher level when the game was bigger unfortunately especially later in his career Mussina didn’t. I’m not posting to hate on Moose I actually think he’s the most likely of the five for the HOF and that’s high praise for anyone I just never got the feeling as a Yankee he was a No 1 pitcher and could go out and win big games by himself. Pettitte Wells and ElDuque certainly could go deeper in big games, Cone not as much. Agree to disagree I liked Moose and over his 8 years did solid work for the Yanks but for me in big post season games the Yanks had many better starters than he.

  19. Zack says:

    Kinda bittersweet to see Moose. I feel so bad that he never got a ring while $#@@ like Schlling have three.

  20. Flyer7 says:

    Schilling has one with DBacks but he was on both Sox teams that won???

    • Pistol Pete says:

      Schilling is 11 and 2 lifetime in post season. Moose is 7 and 8 and was just 5 and 7 with the Yanks at an era of 3.84. Some guys just come up bigger in big situations. In the 2001 World Series Schilling got the ball in game 1 over a healthy and in his prime Randy Johnson. Do you think Moose would ever get the ball in a game 1 over Randy Johnson. I think Schilling is a jerk but he’s got 3 rings because he wins big post season games. I’d vote for him for the HOF with his 216 wins over Moose’s 270.

  21. El Caballo says:

    Marlins listening on Stanton. I think we need to what ever possible to get Stanton. He’s a Freak!!! Lets get it done.

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