Dec
23

Sunday Night Open Thread

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The Yankees lost out on free agent target Raul Ibanez this weekend while Nick Swisher also signed elsewhere, though the team apparently had zero interest in re-signing him. He hit .268/.367/.483 (128 wRC+) with 105 homers during his four years in New York ($31.6M salary total), and WPA says this walk-off homer against the Orioles was his biggest hit with New York (+0.71). Subjectively, I most remember the first game of the second half in 2010, the first game following the deaths of George Steinbrenner and Bob Sheppard. Swisher hit the game tying homer in the eighth and then the walk-off single in the ninth.

Anyway, here’s your Christmas Eve Eve open thread. The 49ers and Seahawks are your late NFL game, plus the Knicks are playing. Talk about either game or anything else here. Go nuts.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Chops

    The Giants are giving me cancer.

    I don’t know how you could root for the Cowboys without actually being from the Dallas media market and still consider yourself a moral human being.

    • Bob Buttons

      I’m so mad at Corey Webster these days.

      • thunder rd runner

        only one more week of him to go – he’s history after this season

    • jjyank

      My supervisor/coworker is a huge Cowboys fan. And he was born and raised in DC. His justification is just that he was disenfranchised with the Redskins not really being a DC team, so he picked another. I’m sure he can be more convincing than me, because it seems pretty bandwagon to me too.

      • turd surfer

        A lot of people in the DC area are Cowboys fans for a better reason. The Redskins were the last NFL team to racially integrate. DC is also known as chocolate city. It took the that of legal action by the government for the owner to integrate. Many people from DC to the South decided to become Cowboys fans. Some fans still will not root for the Redskins. Some fans don’t know why they were raised Dallas fans. This isn’t the only reason but it helped get the snowball rolling when Dallas became America’s team. That’s why DC people became Dallas fans instead of Pittsburgh fans in the 70’s. There already was a decent contingent of Cowboys fans in the area and parts South before the Panthers were around.

        I know, I know…
        TL;DR

        • Tony_Turdner

          Yes. It all, obviously due to racism…. Isn’t everything?

        • dalelama

          What bullcrap…I lived in D.C. for 10 years and hung with all types of DC sports fans and never heard that bullshit. Face it all non Texan Cowboy fans are either pedophiles, wife beaters, alcoholics, or substance abusers.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

        It’s very easy to explain why anyone would be a Cowboys fan. They were probably the most successful team of the 70s besides the Steelers, they were a perennial playoff team through the mid 80s and they were the most successful team of the 90s. If you’re early childhood was in the mid to late 70s, early to mid 80s or 90s, why couldn’t you be a fan of theirs???

        • jjyank

          I guess that makes sense. I’d like to think that I’d still be a Yankee fan if I hadn’t grown up in the dynasty years, though.

        • Chops

          To me, that’s a really really really awful reason to be a fan.

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

            So the geographical location of your birth and/or childhood is a better reason?????

            • MannyGeee

              Point taken. What’s the right reason then?

              • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                There is none. People choose to root for teams for a variety of reasons.

                In my book,,that’s fine and shouldn’t be mocked or criticized as long as you remain loyal to your team and not become a fair weather fan.

            • Chops

              Absolutely.

    • pipeman

      it’s only a game. sure we are disappointed, but please do not use this language. Cancer is a godawfull illness that has caused so much heartache to family members!

      • dalelama

        Cut the political correctness crap.

        • Rick

          Or just be mindful of the hardships others face. There are many ways to make a similar analogy with out making reference to cancer or using vulgar language. Its use demonstrates immaturity and an inability to formulate an argument.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    There are no likable teams in the NFL.

    It absolutely sucks to currently be in a suburb where your best coffee option is Starbucks.

    Yes I am watching “The Hobbit” tonight.

    My favorite NFL team is officially the New York Yankees.

    It is perfectly OK for the heart to love Nick Swisher but the head to understand why you let him go.

    The Yankees could lose a ticket sales rep and there would be faux outrage on here.

    Yes, I do have to complete tons of paperwork over Christmas break because I return to work for an audit on the 26th.

    • jjyank

      On your last point, that sucks. I used a vacation day for the day after. Though I do have to work tomorrow. That’s only because I have to travel though.

    • MannyGeee

      “The Yankees could lose a ticket sales rep and there would be faux outrage on here.”

      What do you mean “could”? You apparently were out sick on the day of the great StubHub Massacre of early December….

      It’s funny because all it takes is for nothing to happen for a troll bus to pull through.

      • jjyank

        The best might just have been outrage over the Yankees signing Ramon Ortiz to a minor league deal. ZOMG he’s blocking all teh kidz!!

  • Austin Aunelowitzky

    Feels strange to be Swishless.

  • It’s a Long Way to the Bronx (If You Wanna Hirok ‘N’ Roll)

    Gonna miss Swish playing right field. When so many of the Yankees were feeding the MSM corporate lines, he always was loose and fun to listen to. Gets knocked for October, but he helped the team immensely in the regular season and did have his October moment (Game 3 of 2009 WS). Good bye and good luck in Cleveland, Swish.

    Yanks have really done a number to the club this offseason and it only gets worse next year.

    • jjyank

      My favorite Swisher quote was when the Yankees cliched the division this year. I’m paraphrasing here, but it went something like this:

      “I knew we would have something to to celebrate today. I work up this morning and I said to myself: ‘Self, we’re gonna do some celebrating today.'”

      I loved that. I’ll miss his personality.

      • Rocky Road Redemption (Pending)

        Greatest quote ever.

    • Ted Nelson

      “Yanks have really done a number to the club this offseason and it only gets worse next year.”

      Their team is very similar to last year’s. Some roster turnover happened before $189, too.

    • TomH

      1965-75: Viet Nam era turmoil;
      1980s – early 90s, Rise of Japan Era

      Yankee declines Bad Times USA

      I’m only kidding about the above. I suspect, though, that the impending decline of the Yankees, thanks to Seligism, will not be so good for the game (on the principle “be careful what you wish for”). It will sink deeper and deeper into the merely regional status that now defines so much of it, continuing the long loss of national aura (transferred to the nfl).

      Can Canadian tv watchers in October make up for the loss of US watchers? I doubt it.

      • MannyGeee

        Dirty little secret: just because there are like roughly 13 million people in Ontario doesn’t mean any of them give a shit about the Jays or baseball in general.

        Best of luck with parody Mr Selig.

        • TomH

          Given the Toronto press’s hype about the team’s improvement, the Jays will get a huge attendance boost, comparable, probably, to the crowds they drew in their glory days. But when the October tv ratings come in, the sponsors will take a bath on the Jays’ ratings.

          • MannyGeee

            Rogers does this EVERY off season, because they have a vested interest in getting the team as much publicity as possible. They have had MONSTER seasons from Encarnacion & Bautista back to back, not to mention some guy named Roy Halladay for the better part of a decade, and no one gave a shit.

            Their glory days were 20 years ago, and the only way they’re gonna fill that warehouse turned baseball field is to win a pennant… And I have been plenty vocal about winning pennants in December (cough cough 2011 Sawx)….

        • Ted Nelson

          What do the Jays have to do with parody? Aren’t they getting cut-off from baseball welfare?

          And how much does Selig even have to do with it? He acts on the owner’s collective behalf. He can’t just do what he wants.

          • MannyGeee

            Not the Jays specifically, but the constant attempts to curb spending by the big hitters (luxury taxes, revenue sharing, etc) will have the Torontos of this world playing in that space where regionally, no one really gives a shit.

            Again, the Blue Jays are just a distraction until the Maple Leafs get back on the ice.

        • Chops

          What do the Jays have to do with parody? Weird Al making a song about them or something?

          • MannyGeee

            Fuck me. I mis spelled parity like 3 times didn’t I?

            Very Romaine of me. What an asshole.

      • Ted Nelson

        Yeah, because the Yankees are doomed. They can’t possibly be good for $189 million. Have to be bad. It’s already decided. Can’t do anything about it. No one can be traded, signed, or promoted. D-O-O-M-E-D!

        MLB still has the least fair system of all the major sports, so it’s a bit odd to get so bent out of shape about Selig. The NFL has the most hands-on approach to leveling the playing field, so it’s very odd to say in the same point that the NFL is taking MLB’s market share and leveling the playing field is a bad thing for a sport…

        • TomH

          Who’s your ventriloquist?

          Read the tv ratings from last October, when the Yankees fielded a weak team. Baseball’s national hold has been in decline for decades. It is increasingly a local sport. The Yankees and maybe one or two other teams–my guess is one other team–are its last claims to nation-wide appeal. The Yankees added glamor and opportunities for general hatred (from all the other localities), i.e., their classic contribution (see George S’s reminder of what it was like in the 1930s when the Yankees came barnstorming through small town America on their way north).

          And for God’s sake stop with the irrelevant 189 mill. attempts at irony. Irony is not your strong suit irrelevant association is). Who cares about 189 mil.? It means nothing about the future. Look more carefully at the present, its tendencies and its implications.

          By the way, and in view of your previous expressions of outrage, I’ve done my best to keep the diction to your level. I don’t think there are any particularly long words here. But if there are, use a goddamned dictionary.

          • Ted Nelson

            Haha, it’s not the words you use. It’s how you use them: incorrectly. If you’re going to go out of your way to sound pretentious, try using words correctly.

            If it’s not their budget, why have you decided they will definitely be worse going forward?

            The 2012 playoff team is practically the same team as 2011. How did people know it was weak in 2012 and not 2011?

            Again, why is an even playing field bad in MLB and great in NFL? Try addressing the issue at hand instead of rambling on about nothing.

          • Now Batting

            Wtf are you talking about? The Padres just signed a $1.5 billion dollar tv deal. The Padres!!!

  • forensic

    What a waste of three hours watching the Giants has become these days.

    • Bob Buttons

      More like four or five, depends on whether you bother to set up some snacks to save trips to the fridge, and whether you stay put the whole crapfest.

      • forensic

        At least during the last couple of embarrassments, the broadcast switched to a more interesting game sparing me from a full 4 quarters. Unfortunately, there aren’t any better games going right now for them to go to.

        • Bob Buttons

          As soon as I feel better after watching the Saints kick the FG in OT, I saw the Giants getting their ass kicked.

          After getting some food after they got one back, of course they let the game get away.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      Guess I’m fortunate in that I can always root for the Broncos. Obviously the Giants aren’t going anywhere. (would definitely prefer to root for the Giants.)

      • Ted Nelson

        I still wouldn’t count them out.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (Pending)

          Indeed. Football is a fickle sport.

      • Bob Buttons

        All the Giants need for 1st WC seed is for them to win, Dallas lose to Washington, Minnesota lose to GB, and Chicago lose to Detroit, and Seattle lose to SF and STL.

        Even if one of those teams don’t lose their games, as long as Giants win it should be a four-way tie , and Giants have better conf record than the rest.

        So pretty much if Detroit upsets Chicago or if SF comes back from a minor deficit and STL beats Seattle, everything else don’t have to have the unlikely outcome.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          You’re grasping at straws here

          • Bob Buttons

            Straws are still better than a single straw.

  • LarryM., Fl.

    I appreciated Swisher’s ability to get the bat on the ball which made him a productive hitter. His inability to play in the post season was awful to watch. I wish him well. He will not have to worry about October play in Cleveland for the most part.

    • MannyGeee

      This whole team (save for that Ichiro fella that nobody wants on this team anymore) couldn’t hit water if they fell off the the side of a boat last October. Lets not go all ‘Swish sucks in October’ on him.

      • dalelama

        Swish sucked every October though.

        • Get Phelps Up

          150 some odd at bats over 4…

          Oh wait, dalelama and facts mix like oil and water.

      • LarryM., Fl.

        It wasn’t just about Swisher but his playoff average is a healthy .167. They all sucked and aren’t worth their salaries.

  • ClusterDuck

    I would put David Adams higher. He’s definately a better prospect than CoJo.

    • ClusterDuck

      opps wrong thread.

    • Brian S.

      No he’s not. He’s like over a year older.

  • Bobby D.

    Sorry, but as much as I liked Swish, he just could not get it done in the post season!! Basically four chances and an 0 for 4. Lets get some one who can deliver in the clutch!

    • jesse

      Did you even bother to watch the two videos at the beginning of the post? Sure, they weren’t in October, but I count those moments as “clutch”.

    • MannyGeee

      ‘Excuse me sir ? Could you please direct me to the ‘Proven Playoff Winners’ section? Oh, over by the melons? Thanks!’

  • tom branco

    Swisher had his moments and was easy to like but it seems that the time is right for him to move on.His numbers are what they are and earned him a nice payday with the Indians but it seems that his Yankee tenure has run it’s full course.

  • Mick taylor

    Good riddance. The money they paid him the last 4 years they could have hadcarlos Beltran, Josh willingham, Jason kubel, Cody ross, cespedes, and others who would have been as good and certaintly better in theplayoffs than the choke king. The Indians will be very sorry they signed him for 70 million . Prediction choke king hits 220 next year.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      Prediction: This prediction will work out as well as your Swisher will hit under .200 in September prediction worked out.

    • MannyGeee

      Prediction… You will also have complaints about your microwave dinner tonight and about the season finales of The Voice & Hawaii 50, because you appear to be a complete and utter dimwitted malcontent.

      • Mick taylor

        Yeah swisher hit as high as you swisher suckers I. Q.s in the playoffs . Hey mr gee gee, after you remove your head out of swisher’s ass perhaps you will be able to read the stats.that swisher is the worst hitter in the history of the post season. Just what you would want in a player. Also honeybunny, if cashman had declined his option last year we could have had Beltran or cespedes.

        • Need Pitching & Hitting

          Yeah swisher hit as high as you swisher suckers I. Q.s in the playoffs

          So Swisher supporters rate as geniuses on the IQ scale?

          Good to know.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            You really need to nail the grammar in that insult in order for it to reach its intended effect.

            • Get Phelps Up

              Yeah, the first few times I read that I had no idea what the hell it meant. Then again that’s the case with lots of Mick taylor’s comments.

        • MannyGeee

          Outside of Carlos Beltran (who was awesome in the playoffs a decade ago) none of those guys have done DICK in October. But fuck that, the narrative has been established.

          He sucks because he can’t hit in October… and my head is clearly up Swishers ass. And I am a honeybunny too… Glad we cleared all that up.

    • jjyank

      Prediction….your mom makes an awesome mac n cheese tonight.

    • Get Phelps Up

      No mention of Grady Sizemore?

      • Betty Lizard

        That made me laugh.

    • Ted Nelson

      Nothing you said makes sense

  • Rocky Road Redemption (Pending)

    I’m bummed about Swishy, guys. Objectively, we couldn’t make that deal.

    Subjectively, he was one of my favorite players.

    So, what do you all think my new username should be? “Rocky Road Redemption” comes from a quote by Kim Jones referring to a game Swish had played earlier in the day (he had called his outfield play “rocky road” and Kim said he got some “rocky road redemption”).

    With Swish gone I’m going to need a new username (along with Plouffy, for that matter). Any ideas?

    • Bob Buttons

      Name yourself after some semi-obscure fictional character that probably nobody else would use.

      That or do something either rhymes or alliterates.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

        Something like Dalek Jeter ;)

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          I don’t get “Dalek Jeter”

          • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

            It’s a reference to “Dr.Who,” the British SciFi show about a time traveling 1200 yr old alien who continously saves planet earth from the shenannigans we get in with other aliens, the Most deadly of which are The Daleks (who look like garbage cans with plungers on them) and Dalek sounds like Derek.

            • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

              http://www.themindrobber.co.uk.....-scene.jpg

              Just in case you thought I was joking.

              • Bob Buttons

                Look like salt/pepper shakers with random pumps on them to me.

        • Bob Buttons

          Puntastic.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR)

        Too much?

        • Bob Buttons

          I’d say not enough.

    • forensic

      I don’t have a real reason like you, but I was considering a name change too. I’ve used this one for years here and at the espn boards before that, so I don’t know if I want to keep it for old times sake or try a different one. I’m also not that imaginative to come up with a good one anyway, as you can already tell from this one.

  • Mattchu12

    I know we all have joked about it at one point or another, but with Ibanez landing in Seattle, is Jesus Montero available? I mean, he did start way more games at DH than C, and with Morales the surer bet at first base than either Montero or Smoak, he might be.

    Granted, I didn’t see him play defense at all last year, but it sounds like he wasn’t horrible. And I’m not one of those, “we should have never traded him” guys, I think we made the right move even today, but I can’t help but think about maybe trying to pick him up with the logjam in Seattle, anybody else interested if the Mariners have soured on him?

    • Bob Buttons

      Surprised that the Ms were so patient with Smoak but not so much with Montero (as far as I can tell).

      Door knocking on Jaso or Montero would be nice but it might be rather costly.

      I’m guessing around Nova and two prospects might get it done for Montero, less for Jaso, but I’m probably way off.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      What did he do last year that makes you wanna acquire hm again?
      The Yankees need to keep that DH spot open for their elderly and Teix is going nowhere at 1st base.

      • Mattchu12

        What did Stewart, Cervelli, or Romine do last year that would make me not interested in someone who might be able to catch and not make me weep when he hits?

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          Montero can’t catch worth a shit. The Yankees would never let him catch regularly for them and i don’t know why people around here won’t accept that fact.

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

      I absolutely am. I’ve ragged on Montero’s rookie year a lot, but at the same time, his road splits are not that bad at all, and everybody knows Seattle is hell for hitters. If we could some how get him back w/o giving up sanchez/williams/austin/ I’d be down for it. Even if his D is terrible, for most of the first half he could DH everyday except the one day a week Derek DH’s, and once Alex comes back maybe catch a day or two a week.

    • Get Phelps Up

      I think it’s more likely they trade Smoak or Jaso.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR)

    Well? Too much?

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

      I for one love it and I don’t get the reference. I just like the idea of an Island of Dirty Midget Whores, it makes me laugh.

    • Betty Lizard

      I don’t get it either, but I’m laughing.
      Glad to see you are coping, RRR. Hated to see you lose your user name, man.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (Formerly RRR)

        I appreciate the condolences, Betty.

        To all of you: The reference is to an awesome online text-based adventure game called “Improbable Island”. And yes, there really ARE Dirty Midget Whores on the island.

        improbableisland.com.

        Apply to the clan “The Association of Exceedingly Ordinary Gentlemen”, and I’ll let you in.

        (I promise, it makes sense, sort of, in context.)

    • Bob Buttons

      Not too much as long as dirty is not referencing to lack of sanitation.

  • BigBlueAL

    Who wouldve thought that I would be thankful once again for being a Knicks fan and giving me something good to watch to help forget about the Giants collapse and strange Yankees off-season. It feels like 1992 again lol.

  • http://Tab Yankee N Activity

    Maybe Seattle would accept Pineda for Montero.

    • Cano fan #1

      LOL

  • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

    http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538.....ity-this-y

    Just in case anybody wants a happy cry this evening :)

    • Dan in Athens

      Awesome. Thank you.

  • Dan in Athens
  • Roy Munson

    Swish leaving reminds me of the 03/04 off season when the Yanks just let Andy walk to Houston, with out even really trying to get him to come back. It certainly does not feel as bad as when Andy left but man, the yanks are gonna have a hard time finding that production in right anytime soon.

    Besides all that, Hank and Hal are just in the beginning stages of getting ready to sell the team right? Planning to slash overhead while increasing profitability. Seems obvious IMO

    • MannyGeee

      Ironically that was the year Vazquez was supposed to come in and replace Andy’s production. And for the first 1/2 he did, until he hid an injury and went all Sidney Ponson on us. Which, in a twist of fate, may have been the nail in the coffin of Pineda.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Woah. Not getting the connection there.

        • radnom

          Hiding an injury. Although, if you read RAB at the time, Pineda was just fine and the ‘velo’ issue was entirely invented by the media. Of course, the media CAUSED the injury, by having the nerve to report on Pineda not throwing at his normal velocity/looking off in spring training.

          • G

            You’re doing it wrong. It’s v-lo. God you just aren’t hip like Wally Matthews.

  • MannyGeee

    The NFL is insane. 7 days ago the 49ers went lights out on the steamrolling patriots, and today they went dead dog against the Seahawks.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      Any given Sunday is no bullshit.

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

      That’s the same team (the 49ers) who got flattened by The Giants who now have lost to the Bengals, Ravens, Cowboys, and Redskins…people think you can’t predict baseball…it’s easier to predict than football. Especially Giants Football.

  • joe

    I have always been a person that has been a big believer of bringing in batting average guys and a lot of it stems from things I regret big time as a person that has played a lot of baseball in my life. The thing I was always praised for by my coach is the ability to make pitchers come at me with strikes and force deep counts. Although I could identify working the pitcher was a good thing, I regret in many at bats that I had in my baseball career where I passed up an opportunity to get a hit by taking pitches I had no business taking and eventually ended up drawing a walk in that particular at bat.

    For instance, I felt I let my team down big time in my city’s championship game where I elected to take a walk with a runner on first and 1 out down by 1 in the bottom of the 9th instead of hammering a first pitch fastball right down the middle that could have advanced that runner multiple bases instead of the eventual one base with a walk. Sure a walk was great, but to pass up a hittable pitch just for the sake of working the count to draw a one base walk instead of a hit is something I will always regret. As the hitter I shouldn’t of worried about hoping the next hitter will tie or give us the leading, not when I didn’t take advantage of hammering a pitch I should have hit. The idea should have been for me to be in the mind set of tying the game now, not pass up an opportunity on a pitch that didn’t end up coming to the 2 hitters that followed me.

    You have to realize you only get so many opportunities to take advantage of pitcher mistakes in life and if you pass a lot of them up to draw a walk like I did,those will cost you games against elite pitching that I was facing. For hitters to be just as happy to draw a walk as they are a hit makes utterly no sense when I look back at my approach to hitting in my baseball career. I mean even a single with a runner on first and less than 2 outs should always be taken over a walk because a single CAN advance a runner from 1st to 3rd on a single whereas a walk never gives you an opportunity to advance a runner more than one base.

    That’s why I feel a guy’s OBP percentage should be always comprised of at least 30% via hits and 5% via walks instead of 25% via hits and 10% via walks or hit by pitch.

    To me hitters are not enough in a damage mind set if they are a 250 hitter that and need to be in more of a damage mind set in order to give yourself the best chance against elite pitching.

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

      Still, even if you had elite BABIP, there’s still a 65% chance that if you had swung and made contact on that pitch right down the middle you would have made out.

      • joe

        “there’s still a 65% chance that if you had swung and made contact on that pitch right down the middle you would have made out.”

        Not necessarily. There are 9 quadrants in the strikezone and there are quadrants where a guy hits 500 in them where a lot of a hitter’s damage comes from. Overall yes you are right in general that even with the best hitters there is a 65% that if a hitter swung and made contact, he would make out. But that does not necessarily mean a guy has an equal chance of making out on a pitch right down the middle in the middle half of the plate as he does on a pitch in the middle on the outer third of the plate.

        • The Doctor (formerly known as G formerly known as Matt Smith formerly known as David Tennant formerly known as…etc)

          You also allow the elite pitcher to remain fresh and give the rest of the team trouble a hell of a lot longer. Patience can knock them out and get to mediocre relievers much more easily. That’s been the Yankees philosophy for years. It’s worked, so I don’t think you’re in a position to question it.

          Baseball may be a more individualized sport than many others, but it’s still a team sport. You only get so many chances to hit that pitch down the middle, so if the entire team gets 10 chances and they hit .500 on them, that’s 5 hits. If you sacrificed walks to get those 5 hits, you may be putting fewer men on and allowing the pitcher to go deeper. That’s the kind of approach that leads to 8 IP, 5 H, 10 K, 0 BB performances. Maybe you don’t do any additional damage, but in the process you make them work harder and get a chance to hack at inferior pitchers sooner. Maybe they still get a ton of strikeouts and you don’t even score, but they certainly get less of a chance to dominate.

          • The Doctor (formerly known as G formerly known as Matt Smith formerly known as David Tennant formerly known as…etc)

            Also, your approach requires superior pitch recognition that I highly doubt you had in high school. Not even the best Major Leaguers can see a Justin Verlander fastball down the middle and determine that it’s in their wheelhouse and definitely not a change-up before it reaches the plate.

          • joe

            Well I would have to disagree with you on the patience part. The only scenario people can even look at patience in my opinion being of value is if hitters are in a ton of 1-0 counts and not 0-1. And that to me is one of the reasons your seeing bad hitting from patient hitters now compared to the past besides the conventional theory that is was all steroids. The percentages are much lower of drawing a walk in an at bat if your seeing a lot of 0-1 counts from top pitchers as opposed to 1-0. It wasn’t just steroids to explain why hitting was bad, it was also because pitchers didn’t throw as many first pitch strikes back then. So it was easier to take pitches and be patient, because chances are you would be in a 1-0 count as opposed to a 0-1 count. Hitters less often had to fight back in the count back then compared to now. Otherwise what else besides the steroid belief would explain why pitchers are more successful now then they were in the late 90s?

            Also I would have disagree with you that a top pitcher would get 10 strikeouts if hitters were less patient. First off, in order to strikeout a lot of guys, a hitter must run deep counts and be patient. Meaning if he lets the count go too deep your more likely to strikeout than if he did his damage before the pitcher could get ahead of him within the first couple pitches of the at bat. Hence the reason Cano doesn’t strikeout a lot because he doesn’t let the pitcher run a lot of deep counts on him otherwise he would strikeout a lot more like Granderson. Cano doesn’t allow himself to fall behind in the count to a pitcher as often. The most patient hitters only have about a 10% chance of doing something positive in at bats in which they don’t make contact. That means you have a 90% chance of making out if you don’t make contact as a opposed to only 50-65% of the time making out if you make contact depending on the location of the pitches within the 9 quadrants of the strikezone. Meaning your more likely to get on base with a hit then you are a walk. Your way more likely to strikeout than to walk even with heroic efforts of working a deep count.

            There is no such thing as being able to work a pitcher with any kind of regular success if your seeing 0-1 up on the board more often as opposed to a 1-0 count. There is a reason that there’s something called a “hitter’s” count and “pitcher’s” count and it’s because it makes a big difference as to your likelihood of doing something positive in an at bat as opposed to if your seeing 0-2.

    • The Doctor (formerly known as G formerly known as Matt Smith formerly known as David Tennant formerly known as…etc)

      Every time Player A takes 5 at bats, he hits a home run, takes a walk, and strikes out 3 times. At this rate he hits over 100 home runs a season and gets on base at a .400 clip. He breaks the all-time home run record easily and has a phenomenal OBP. Easy first ballot Hall of Famer.

      He’s a career .250 hitter.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Troll theory: “Mick Taylor” and “Jimmy Page” are the same commenter.

    But who’s HESTER?!?!?!

  • RetroRob

    Swisher leaving the Yankees is a good thing for both sides. Swisher will no longer have to worry about not hitting in the postseason, and the Yankees will not have to worry about making the postseason.

    I’m kidding of course…right? I’m kidding, right, right!!?????

  • nixynoodles

    The only time I ever met swish in person, he had two blonde bombshells on each arm and a fat Redman in..guy was one of a kind…a salute in cle you will b missed

    • Blake

      And a quarterback can complete 5 of 50 passes and win the game if all 5 of those passes are Hail Marys for touchdowns.

      Just because something is theoretically possible doesn’t mean it’s likely or that it’s the best way to achieve results.

  • http://riveraveblues sandy g

    come july 31st and the yankees are 10 games out look for them to trade kuroda,cano,granderson,youkilis,hughes,logan joba.you canbet all or some will go