Dec
11

Tuesday Night Open Thread

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Here is tonight’s open thread. The Knicks and Nets are playing (each other!), but otherwise you’re on your own for entertainment. Enjoy.

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  1. BJZ1154 says:

    Saw that the Phils and Cubs were discussing a Soriano/Dom Brown swap. Why wouldn’t the Yanks try to move Grandy in a salary dump for a young cost controlled player like Brown knowing Grandy likely won’t be back next season.

    • jjyank says:

      I still kinda like Brown, and liked him a lot a couple years ago. But Grandy is better than Soriano, and Brown is not the kind of player I want (at this point) back for Grandy.

    • Preston says:

      Honestly I’d rather have the compensation pick than Brown at this point. He’s just never really amounted to anything. It makes sense for the Cubs to stick him out there and hope he figures it out, but I don’t want him on the Yankees.

    • vin says:

      “Why wouldn’t the Yanks try to move Grandy in a salary dump for a young cost controlled player like Brown knowing Grandy likely won’t be back next season.”

      Because they’d like to make the playoffs next year? It’s fun to consider blowing things up and rebuilding with prospects, but:
      A) most prospects fail to meet expectations
      B) the Yankees’ window of opportunity is as big as it is partly because of the guys who are near the end of their careers (Jeter, Alex, Pettitte, #HIROK, Rivera). They’re not going to spend those last decent years rebuilding.

    • RetroRob says:

      Brown has regressed quite a bit and is no longer regarded as a top prospect. I’ll take .230/.340/.500 Curtis and his 190 Ks as opposed to .230/.310/.390 Brown because that means the Yankees are hurting themselves in 2013 and 2014. Keeping Curtis and letting him walk means they’re potentially hurting the team in 2014, and not even that since they can direct the money they were paying Granderson elsewhere. Adding Brown weakens the team.

      One thing that came out of the Myers trade the other day is some interesting reviews of the success rate of top prospects. Even players ranked in the top ten have a 60% bust rate. I’m not talking success, but flat out bust. Dom Brown is the type of player that makes up that 60%.

      It’s interesting is most Yankee fans view Phil Hughes and Joba Chamberlain as failures because they didn’t achieve the ceiling projected. In reality, both Hughes and Joba have done better than the aggregate of similar prospects.

  2. Jersey Joe says:

    A lot of people hate Youkilis because he was a BoSok, but he did have a falling out with them in Middlebrooks situation. I don’t know, but I think he’ll be psyched to be the rival of the team that let him go. I’m excited to see his return to Fenway.

    • Preston says:

      It’ll definitely give the folks on ESPN something to talk about during the broadcast. Which is important, because they never seem to want to talk about, you know, the actual game.

      • flamingo says:

        Aren’t they replacing Francona with someone awful? I may listen to John and Susyn for all ESPN games this year.

        • jjyank says:

          I dunno who they are replacing him with, but you can bet it won’t be anyone good. I hate watching the nationally televised games. I can tolerate Michael Kay, and I love the rest of the guys on YES (Singleton, Cone, Paulie, Leiter). The only guy I don’t really like other than Kay is Flaherty, but that’s not a big deal for me. But it’s rare that I get a nationally televised game where I like anyone. If it wasn’t for the MLB.TV radio delay, I would absolutely roll with that and have the game on mute.

  3. The videos are getting increasingly random, considering the Yankees lost that game in a pretty excruciating fashion.

  4. paul a says:

    Nothing is moving on the Hamilton market, question is are we preparing to swoop in ?

    • Matt says:

      I hope not. I mean I’d love to see what kind of damage he could do in Yankee Stadium (2008 HR Derby??), but with all of his off the field issues and trouble staying on the field for 162 games, I think the Yankees should stay away.

    • vin says:

      answer is no.

      I really think they’re serious about hitting the 189 mil budget, and I don’t see them NOT re-signing Cano (which is what would have to happen to hit the target).

  5. Matt says:

    Check out my “Armchair GM” piece here

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

      “Trade Brett Gardner, Zoilo Almonte and Chris Stewart for the Cincinnati Reds’ Drew Stubbs and Ryan Hannigan/Devin Mesoraco”

      Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t think that the Reds would go for that deal.

      • John C says:

        I think they might. I know Stubbs has fallen out of favor with the orginization (kind of like Rasmus did with the Cardinals) and they do have excess catching so losing one wouldn’t really hurt them. Might take some playing up by Cashman, but its definitely a good possibility

      • CashmanNinja says:

        Especially since the Reds are trying to ship Stubbs to the Indians for Choo in that supposed 3 trade deal (Reds/Indians/D-Backs).

        • Ryan says:

          What I don’t get is if the reds are worried about getting a lead-off hitter, why trade one of your best trade chips to not fill that hole?

          • vin says:

            I can’t believe the DBacks would deal Bauer that quickly. They must REALLY dislike his attitude. You’d figure they would have gotten a better read on him before picking him 3rd in the draft.

            Looks like the Reds are going to fill their lead-off hole by smashing Choo into it. I’d be more concerned about him playing CF (with Ludwick in LF) than batting lead-off. And I like Ludwick (he went to my high school and alma mater).

        • vicki says:

          stubbs and one of the arizona pitchers is a nice haul for one year of choo.

    • JMK says:

      Seems tasteless to pimp your blog post on a prominent Yankee blog…

  6. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Strange, but cool thing happened to me today.

    I have a family friend down in Miami who is an oldtime Yankee fan and made a habit, throughout the years, of going down to Spring Training and getting autographs. This is how, in a safe in my house, I have an autographed Jeter card, a Mattingly, etc. Haven’t seen him in years, though.

    An envelope arrives today with a card for me and my family from him. Inside the card are about 20-25 signed baseball cards, most from the 80′s and 90′s. Some are pretty random (Gary Ward, Andy Fox, THREE Ron Kittle cards) but, suddenly, I find the three gems in the bunch: Righetti, Boggs and, while not a card, but a picture, Clemens.

    I have no clue why I got this envelope, some of these will go in my safe with the two cards and my Reggie signed ball.

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

      I noticed you emphasized that they’re in a “safe.”

      Trying to deter any cat burglars that might frequent RAB??

    • jjyank says:

      That’s awesome dude. The closest I got to that I suppose, was a Christmas gift from my Aunt and Uncle about 10 years ago. Apparently they lived in the same neighborhood as Tommy John for a while in North Carolina. They got a framed picture of him for me with an autograph and a message saying “Dear Justin, follow your dreams.” That was pretty cool. I also have autographed balls from Yogi, Rizzuto, a David Wells perfect game ball, and Bernie Williams.

      Needless to say, I left all of these in the safety of my suburbia New Jersey home with my parents. None of those will come to DC with me until I live in an area that….that ins’t the ghetto.

    • Cris Pengiucci says:

      (Scrambles to determine where Tilapia’s house is and plans to remove said safe)

      • jjyank says:

        I can help. Working at a bank, you learn to hear the clicks of the right numbers in the combo in the unfortunately situation of forgetting the combo you tried to memorize. Sleep with one eye open, Tilapia.

        • Cris Pengiucci says:

          Just take the whole thing and worry about how to get it open later. No big deal, I’ve done … uh, wait a minute … I have no experience whatsoever with breaking into houses and removing safes.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          I live next to the neighborhood hawk. I’d watch my ass.

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

      My father knew a nurse who’s husband was a batting practice pitcher for the Yankees in the 80s and I have a ball signed by Dave Winfield, Rickey Henderson, Mattingly, Ron Guidry, Dave Righetti among others.

      They could also have been signed by a ball boy so who really knows.

    • Preston says:

      That’s cool, I have a signed Andy Fox baseball somewhere. Forgot all about it until just now.

    • Jacob says:

      That is some crazy stuff, the closest thing I have to that would be a Mark Mcguire signed ball, worth $50…

    • vin says:

      That’s pretty cool. Is there an Alvaro Espinosa in there? I’ve always been fascinated by autograph collectors.

      A good friend of mine has been collecting autographs since we were 5 or 6. He moved down to Phoenix a few years ago, partly because he couldn’t stand NY anymore, and partly because there’s baseball there 11 months out of the year. I went to an AFL game with him in October, and there he was with 7 Darnell Coles cards in hand. He needed Mr. Coles to sign them as he worked towards completing those series of cards (ie ’88 Topps, ’91 Donruss, etc).

      Coles was the 3B coach for one of the teams, and my friend (and his fellow autograph hounding pals [which probably accounted for 70 of the 100 people in the stands, no kidding]) are probably the only people on earth who knew he was coaching third base in the Arizona Fall League. Honestly, I was shocked when Coles willingly took time from his activities and signed the stack of cards for my 32 year old friend. Of course my friend knows how and when to approach these guys, but still…

      For some, autograph collecting is a thrill (ie a young kid getting his favorite player to sign his glove). For others it’s a business venture. And for people like my buddy (and his cohorts) who hang around the AFL, ST, ExST, Arizona Summer League, Fantasy Camps, etc it’s an obssession.

      Maybe those folks will sell some (not sure if Steve has ever really sold anything substantial), and maybe they once idolized some of the celebrities. When I asked Steve why he did it, which I don’t think I’ve asked him since we were 7, he just kind of shrugged his shoulders and laughed. I genuinely think its a combination of the thrill of the chase and the satisfaction of completing “sets” (the baseball card series, as many presidents as possible, all the men to walk on the moon, etc). It’s a fascinating behavior.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Great story. I’m sure Darnell doesn’t get approached often like that anymore.

        I always shy away from asking for autographs, etc., even though I’ve certainly had opportunities. I just like to know that I’ve met or seen folks, etc.

        I once got a kiss on the cheek from Cindy Crawford.

        • vin says:

          “I once got a kiss on the cheek from Cindy Crawford.”

          Slightly better than three Ron Kittle signatures.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            She was signing autographs for some perfume launch, and you got her autograph if you bought the actual perfume. You could shake her hand if you didn’t buy anything. I was in high school, so paying for a bottle of women’s perfume was out of the question, and a guy in front of me in line got a kiss when he asked, so I asked as well.

    • Luisergi says:

      I don’t know if the safe is such a good idea.

      I had a ball signed by El Duque, some asshole got into my house and somehow broke into the safe and took it.

      I’m sure that punk stole the ball just because it was in the safe, if it would’ve been resting normally on crystal box in my room i’d still have that ball.

    • Ethan says:

      That’s pretty cool. All I have is a ball signed by Johnny Damon. A few years ago (when he was a Yankee) he came to my school when he was on a trip to Thailand. He spoke some, did a Q&A, took pictures and signed stuff for fans and did a little bit of a baseball clinic. It was pretty neat.

    • Herby says:

      My treasure is a signed ball from the 78 team that one of the WPIX cameramen got for my father, for me while he worked for the Daily News. That one for sure sits in a safe place.

    • YanksFanInBeantown says:

      My best is a signed photo from Luis Tiant. I keep it tucked into the side of a photo frame with some of the various tickets I keep as souvenirs. (Yankees games, plays, Dispatch, etc.)

  7. Cris Pengiucci says:

    The best I’ve got is my son’s glove signed by Luis Sojo. He did hand us a ball that he used during warmups while playing catch with Derek Jeter. He told my son “Hold onto this. Derek Jeter was using it to warm up.”

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Out of things I’ve gotten myself, best I can say I have is Timmy Hardaway and several professional wrestlers, but I don’t think I even know where the latter is anymore.

      What to do with three Ron Kittle autographs and two Tim Stoddards, I’ll never know.

      Love having the Righetti.

      • Cris Pengiucci says:

        Many years ago, the NHRA (National Hot Rod Association – Not even sure it was called that back then) used to have the Summer Nationals at “New York National Speedway” on LI in Center Moriches. I have an autograph from “Big Daddy” Don Garlits. This was from the ’60′s, as best as I can remember, probably around ’66 or ’67. I know I was young. Also have some Rock & Roll autographs (and fond memories to go along with them, back stage with Jethro Tull, The Who, private parties with John Entwistle are among my favorites). Really don’t have a lot of baseball memorabilia. Probably had a Rick Barry (ABA, NY Nets era) autograph, among others from the Nets at some point. Still have a Wendell Ladner Nets practice jersey. Used to live 10 minutes from the Nassau Mausoleum when I was young.

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

        I loved Tim Hardaway. UTEP two step was one of the best crossover dribbles EVER.

      • Pat D says:

        What wrestlers?

  8. Jacob says:

    Brooklynite, Knicks fan for life.

  9. Jacob says:

    I have visions of Youk becoming a fan favorite yankee, is that just me? And I really dislike him if you did not know.

  10. Jacob says:

    I just realized Youk wears the number 20, I can only imagine the hell he gets if he even tries to wear that number in new york

    • Pat D says:

      Hopefully both the front office and he realize that wouldn’t be a great way to endear him to fans.

      See Hawkins, LaTroy.

      • Jacob says:

        Such a sad story that he thought he could take Paulie’s #21

        • Pat D says:

          Eh, I think that got overblown and Hawkins was treated a tad unfairly. He said he wanted the number in honor of Roberto Clemente, which is an understandable sentiment. I think the front office underestimated how much people still loved O’Neill and didn’t expect the backlash.

          At this point, since it’s been more than 10 years, they either need to retire the number or reissue it. Considering the other numbers currently out of circulation (6, 20, 51) and the ones that soon will be (2, 42, 46), they need to resolve this.

          • Jacob says:

            True, I think 6, 20,51,2,42,46, should ne retired and 21 probably should be retired. 24 is looking like it is on it’s way some day too, maybe just maybe.

            • vin says:

              I’m all for retiring the first batch of numbers. But 21 and 24 need to be fair game. They just weren’t Yankees long enough.

              • Jacob says:

                I’m talking the possibility of 24, Robbie is on a HOF path and if he makes it, as a Yankee, and does some more great stuff for the team, then it will be. But now it definately should not be

            • Pat D says:

              Yea, and maybe 13 too.

              So that’ll be what then? 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 (twice), 9, 10, 13, 15, 16, 20, 21, 23, 24, 32, 37, 44, 49, 51.

              Yea, that’s way too many. Several of those numbers should not have been retired.

              • Jacob says:

                If 13 get’s retired that is nuts, but yes I know that is why I said possibly. 9 absolutely should not have been, 44 probably should not have been and 32 probably not because Elston was good but not amazing, but they retired his because he was the first african american(at least that factored into it)

                • Pat D says:

                  I can deal with Elston Howard being retired, but it’s borderline. The other ones that can be most easily questioned are Billy Martin, Roger Maris, Reggie Jackson and Ron Guidry. I’ve always been so-so on Don Mattingly, too, simply because he was the first one they retired who, ya know, never won anything. Frankly, Posada, Pettitte and Bernie shouldn’t be considered automatics either, since none of them are making the HOF.

                  When you think about it, it’s interesting that Red Ruffing, Lefty Gomez and Joe McCarthy never had their numbers retired. Probably because they spent times with other teams. That has to be the reason they didn’t retire McCarthy, since after his “breakdown” he came back and managed the Red Sox for a few years.

                  As for 13, he did win 2 MVPs and at least 1 World Series with the team. If he hadn’t begun to decline so much these last few years and he still had a realistic shot at 763, he definitely would have been retired. Now I’m not so sure.

                  • Jacob says:

                    I don’t think it is such a sure thing that none of those three get in to the hall, They all have a realitstic shot. I can see why they did Billy, deserved? eh. Reggie did not deserve it nor did Maris, Donnie probably more than those 2 and Guidry was a big guy for them.

                    • Pat D says:

                      Bernie got less than 10% last year and with the over-croweded ballot this year, I’m pretty sure he’s not getting 5%, which means he’s off the ballot.

                      Posada has no realistic chance because he’s always thought of behind Piazza and IRod, and he just doesn’t have the counting stats.

                      Pettitte has the best shot but his high ERA is likely to keep him out. Of course, if Jack Morris is elected this year, that will help his eventual case. But guys like Schilling and Mussina are more deserving than Pettitte, too, and if they’re not in yet Pettitte has no chance.

                    • Jacob says:

                      But they do have the ballos that go back and look at players like bernie.

                    • Pat D says:

                      You mean the Veterans Committee? Well, since they began to tinker with the Veterans Committee various times since 2001, the only players elected that way are Bill Mazeroski, Hilton Smith (who was a Negro Leaguer), Joe Gordon, Ron Santo and now Deacon White.

                      So that’s exactly nobody who played since 1975. The Veterans Committee has elected more non-players than players lately. Given the way the committees are composed, it’s almost impossible to predict how they’ll vote in any given year.

              • Ethan says:

                Haha dude you forgot 42.

      • jjyank says:

        This would be even worse. The fans (and myself, of course) love Paulie, but Jorge was a Yankee lifer. No freaking way Youk takes 20. That number may even be retired.

  11. Jacob says:

    If Cabrera is not the SS going to arizona and the reds guy is, does this mean the D-Backs will no longer want a SS? Ninja Cash sees and opening

  12. Luisergi says:

    So… Youkilis in pinstripes ehh????

    *Goes to get a drink and to think about life*

  13. Jimmy McNulty says:

    I have a bottle of 190 proof Everclear and I’ve been wondering when I’m going to take shots of it. Signing Youkilis is about the only reason I can think of to take a shot of that.

    Ugh…

    I’d rather have Ransom.

    • Jacob says:

      Make it a game, go through a long thread and take a shot every time someone mentions 189 or that cashman/ the front office sucks.

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

        He’d be dead of alcohol poisoning in no time.

      • Jimmy McNulty says:

        Also, I don’t think Cashman sucks but I think they need to change the way that they evaluate the pitching. Nardi Contreras meets Mr. Mayhem, as do their pitching scouts. Pitchers that either they either held on for too long, blew up, traded when their value was dirt cheap, or overestimated when they were acquired:

        Phil Hughes, Joba Chamberlain, Ian Kennedy, Javier Vazquez, Manny Banuelos, Delin Betances, Freddy (pt. 2), Andrew Brackman, Carl Pavano (okay I guess I should let that one go), AJ Brunett, Tyler Clippard, and Jonathan Albaledejo.

        I mean that’s a fuckload to get wrong in the past five or six years. They did well with Kuroda (when people falsely thought he wouldn’t translate to the AL East), Robertson, Freddy and Bart the first time, and they lucked into Soriano working out. Doesn’t quite eliminate the bad. I realize that this isn’t exactly a perfect science, and we’ll never know what goes on behind the scenes, but there’s plenty of talented prospects that came through the system that were highly valued by other teams…now they’re either injured or dogshit. Now they’re too thin at the top of the farm system to fill any of the current or soon to be holes on the team, and they’re stuck going in with platooning a third of the starting line up.

        I’m frustrated with the direction of the team the past few years, but I still think Cashman ought to be the GM. He just needs someone new to evaluate pitching and he needs someone that’s more eager to trade some of the prospects.

    • jjyank says:

      Good lord dude. I haven’t had Everclear since I was a high school senior. Pretty sure Youk being a Yankee is better than how you’re stomach will feel.

  14. Murderers' Row Boat says:

    I kinda feel bad for the Red Sox fan friends. These last 3 hours have been like someone killed their childhood.

  15. Pat D says:

    I’m glad to see that Michael Young is willing to admit he was wrong to get pissy when the Rangers moved him to third to make room for Elvis Andrus, but he still feels that the Rangers front office mistreated him by signing Adrian Beltre.

    I think someone really needs to look this guy in the eye and say, “Hey, asshole. Stop overrating yourself. You never were as good as you think you are.”

  16. Austin Aunelowitzky says:

    On Youk…I’ve never seen a guy take more aggressive hacks in the on-deck circle. It’s like he is having one or even two full AB’s while he’s waiting to go up for his real AB. My data point is a few years old so maybe he doesn’t do that anymore but if you compare that to other guys who really are just loosening up in the on-deck circle, maybe Youk can tone it down in his twilight years to have more for the real AB’s. Just musing from a non-scout here.

  17. Jacob says:

    If the Knicks drop this game to the Nets tonight I am dropping D-Will

  18. dkidd says:

    youkilis = typical lame chanukah gift

  19. Jacob says:

    Wow they really gave up bauer? Terrible move by the D-Backs

  20. The Real Greg says:

    These first two matchups are dimmed in my book.

    We’ve yet to see these two teams matchup at full strength.

  21. Jacob says:

    This is why anthony is my favorite player

  22. Get Phelps Up says:

    Ken Singleton must be happy that Choo is now out of the AL.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      “Didi Gregorius” cannot possibly be the actual name of a baseball player.

      What exactly is Arizona getting out of this while giving up Bauer? I don’t get it.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

        They also get future HOF Lars Anderson.

        (or is he no longer future HOF now that he’s not on Red Sox?)

  23. The Real Greg says:

    Not watching the game. Was it goaltending?

  24. Jimmy McNulty says:

    So the Tribe got Bauer for Choo…I wonder what the Yankees can get for Granderson.

  25. Jacob says:

    STOP IT MELO YOU ARE KILLING US!!!!!!

  26. Jacob says:

    JASON KIDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great move by JR, old JR would have shot that all day!

  27. The Real Greg says:

    Nets are failing to build respect in the city and credibility.

  28. Jacob says:

    Over under 2.5 questions about the knicks in this weeks chat? It gives me a chuckle that people still realize Axisa does not care.

  29. The Real Greg says:

    So this is the trade.

    Reds: Shin-Soo-Choo, Jason Donald, and cash

    Indians: Trevor Bauer, Drew Stubbs, Matt Albers, Bryan Shaw.

    D’Backs: DiDi Gregorious, Tony Sipp, Lars Anderson

    • Jimmy McNulty says:

      How the fuck does Arizona justify this trade?

      • Jacob says:

        They make a porn star there mascot.

      • YanksFanInBeantown says:

        Top Prospect Lars Anderson, obviously!

      • forensic says:

        I sure hope Gregorious can field like Ozzie Smith because his offensive numbers do not look good at all and it seems pretty bad to give up Bauer for.

      • Cuso says:

        I have a feeling that Arizona sees in Bauer the same thing they saw in Scherzer before trading him away: difficulty repeating motion and severe arm injury waiting to happen. Scherzer was a better prospect at the time than Bauer is now, too. Bauer’s value right now is about as high as it will be for the next couple years. Plus the D-Backs have other arms coming. Depending on how this kid-SS pans out, they may end up being the big winner on this deal.

  30. Get Phelps Up says:

    That Youkilis thread is a disaster. I fail to see what’s so bad about him other than the fact that he played for the Red Sox.

    • Jacob says:

      I highly dislike him, but other than his batting stance and his beard I cannot give you a real reason. So I imagine that my dislike stems from his being on the sox, I think he becomes a fan fav here.

      • YanksFanInBeantown says:

        I live in Boston (obviously) so I freaking love Kevin Youkilis. He’s a good teammate and he gives max effort all the time.

        And, on top of it all, he’s actually really good at baseball! It’s a perfect package.

    • vicki says:

      you’ve seen his face, right?

    • forensic says:

      Yup, there have been plenty of other Red Sox who have played for the Yankees too and been liked/loved. Not a huge deal, hopefully they come around if he gets a couple big hits or AB’s in April.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I’m convinced half those people equate Wade Boggs with Dwight Eisenhower.

    • Rocky Road Redemption says:

      I just hate everything about him. BUT-as a Yankee, I’ll get over it.

  31. Jacob says:

    There is a band called “Jobe Chamberlain hates Kevin Youkalis” that is awesome

  32. The Real Greg says:

    So far the loser of the offseason has been the Texas Rangers.

    Lost out on Zack Greinke, James Shields, and now Justin Upton.

  33. The Real Greg says:

    And now there are rumblings that Mike Napoli’s deal with the red Sox may have hit a snag.

  34. Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

    So…Joba and Youk in the same locker room. That alone is worth this signing that I’m still not a fan of. Not because he’s Youkilis, even though that’s tough to swallow…but because he’s a declining, injury prone, former great third baseman who knows how to take a walk, has a little pop from the right side and plays solid D. We already have one of those.

  35. FIPster Doofus says:

    Hamilton to the Phillies, supposedly…

  36. Cuso says:

    Choo to the Reds? And they gave up Stubbed? Now Cincy has 3 corner outfielders (Bruce, Chop & Ludwick).

    I know Stubbs was likely to move and Bauer was involved with the deal, but do they really expect to put Bruce in CF?

    • forensic says:

      What I read is that Choo will go into CF.

      • Cuso says:

        Hmm. I know they’re projecting him to lead off, but….

        Well, I’ll ask you. Does Choo make sense in center? Has he even played there? I know he’s above-average in right, but CF seems a stretch.

        • YanksFanInBeantown says:

          Doesn’t make much sense, but they’re hoping that he hits enough to make up for the fielding.

          • Cuso says:

            Yeah. He’ll hit for sure.

            Makes you wonder if they did this deal two days ago whether they would’ve signed Ludwick.

            They could’ve let Ludwick walk and stuck B. Hamilton in CF on opening day.

            (Then ludwick could’ve been a rf option for us…..dirty red bastards.)

        • forensic says:

          He’s played 10 games there in his ML career, but only 1 since 2006 (and that was in 2009).

          I think they acknowledge that he’s going to be below average there, but they’re hoping his offense can help bridge the gap and make it worth it.

        • mustang says:

          Red’s Bruce to Yankees for Grandy.

  37. mustang says:

    I guess this is the way life is going be as a Yankees fan for the next 2 years and I’m OK with it as long as:

    1- They put out a competitive product.

    2- Let their prospect grow and give them chance without trading them for something stupid.

    3- Start spending (wisely) again after 2014.

  38. Preston says:

    So Kevin Towers strikes me as the dumbest GM in baseball. He traded the number 6 pick in the 2011 draft (a guy he drafted), who is big league ready and got a LH reliever, the prospect corpse of Lars Anderson and a mediocre SS who didn’t even crack the top 100 propsects. Then he publicly compares that SS to Derek Jeter, last year at 22 DiDi hit .265/.324/.393 in the minors. When Derek was 22 he .314/.370/.430 in the majors, won rookie of the year, and got a WS ring. This guy is terrible. It was hard to top Chris Young for Cliff Pennington and Heath Bell, but he might have done it.

    • mustang says:

      “Then he publicly compares that SS to Derek Jeter, last year at 22 DiDi hit .265/.324/.393 in the minors.”

      I and friend saw this then we looked up the numbers and started LOL.

    • forensic says:

      I’m also in the camp that he should be trading Upton this offseason while his value is sort of sky high before his salary increases a bit next year and then a bunch the two years after that. I don’t think he’s as good as people make him out to be and feel he should be taking advantage of that to get some great parts back to build.

      And this is the guy Yankees fans were so excited about a couple years ago when he was an assistant…

      • YanksFanInBeantown says:

        We were excited about having him as an assistant because he’s really good at putting a bullpen together. They weren’t letting him anywhere near the team.

        And Justin Upton was playing hurt most of the year, he was wearing a thumb pad until August 25. The B-Ref Game Log after that has him batting .301/.353/.524, that’s a .370-ish wOBA, just below what he did in 2009 and 2011 when everyone was calling him a superstar in the making

    • Deep Thoughts says:

      From David Aardsma’s Twitter feed:

      http://twitter.com/TheDA53/sta.....36/photo/1

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