Wednesday Night Open Thread

Injury Updates: Pineda, Campos, Cabral
It's official: Ichiro's back for two more years

Here is your open thread for the evening. The Knicks and Nets are playing each other tonight, and apparently that rivalry is a thing now. Talk about that game or anything else here, just don’t be an ass.

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Injury Updates: Pineda, Campos, Cabral
It's official: Ichiro's back for two more years
  • Pat D

    So Jim Bowden says don’t be surprised if the Yankees package two of Mason Williams, Gary Sanchez and Dante Bichette Jr. for Justin Upton.

    Since Jim Bowden said it, if that does happen, I will naturally be surprised.

    • CountryClub

      First, I don’t think this is happening. But I can’t get excited about Upton anyway. Something about how his young career has played out just worries me.

    • Frankie M

      How about Curtis Granderson to the Braves for Brian Mc Cann and Jonny Vetnters ?

      • BronxBomber98

        Venters alone (forget about 2 players) for 1 year of Granderson? There is no way the Braves would make that trade.

    • Laz

      If they wanted to trade for Upton, they wouldn’t have signed Ichiro for 2 years at $7M a piece.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Not necessarily mutually exclusive to one another, but I feel like the place the Yankees and Upton are talked about the most is on the comment section here anyway.

        I’d drive Williams and Dante Jr. myself, FWIW.

  • Pat D

    Oh, I also think I like the Morales/Vargas trade more for the Angels than the Mariners.

    • Jersey Joe

      I know the Angels are losing Haren and Greinke, but loading up with #3, 4 pitchers like Hanson, Blanton, and now Vargas is not going to help them all that much. Instead of sacrificing $ and/or good players for three pitchers, I don’t know why they didn’t try harder for Dickey or Josh Johnson for the #3 spot, and fill the lower ranks with internal options.

    • Scardino

      They traded their only other good LH bat in their lineup for a average to below average pitcher who benefits greatly from the home park. Now the Angels have a rotation full of number 4,5 starters(excluding Weaver)and they better hope Madson healed up nicely b/c if not their bullpen could be worse than it was last year.

      • Ted Nelson

        CJ Wilson is not a #4,5 starter.

  • jjyank

    Heh, anyone remember my excitement from last night? Yeah, well I got my salary calculation today. Let’s just say I’m pleasantly surprised, and it’s pretty awesome to know that your dream job also pays rather handsomely. I am on cloud freaking nine right now. Hope everyone else had an awesome day.

    • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

      Congrats!

    • Pat D

      Like I said last night…eh, fudge ya.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      See What Pat D said lol, but seriously congrats!

      • jjyank

        No joke, it’s literally 250% of what I make now. With continued raises as I gain experience. Life is really good right now.

        • Jacob

          Get me in at that bank!

          • jjyank

            Nooooo, the new job is not at a bank. Different field. The field I studied and worked my ass off for.

            • Jacob

              Refresh my mind, you were not the one who studied poli sci were you?

              • jjyank

                Yes. Poli sci undergrad, and IR for grad. My dream is intel. Collection, targeting, management, operations, whatever they offer me is cool.

                • Jacob

                  As long as it pays that moneyyy!

                  • jjyank

                    Oh, it does. More than I thought.

                • Vertical Pinstripe

                  Congrats! Excel at your new job. Do MORE than they expect so you can get promoted.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          good shit man, when it goes official quit the damn bank, come back up to jersey and we can get some drinks.

          • jjyank

            Done and done.

            • Cris Pengiucci

              Congrats JJ. I’ll shoot you an e-mail. Next time I’m in the DC area for work, I’ll take you out for a celebratory drink.

              • jjyank

                I’d like that, Cris. Do you have my email?

                • Cris Pengiucci

                  Yes. Sent.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Same here if you’re in NYC or I’m in DC.

                • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

                  R-Tils, we can come over the bridge, your in Brooklyn right?

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Yup.

    • Jersey Joe

      Good for you!

    • vin

      Yeah, I got a raise yesterday… unfortunately I went from being an hourly employee to a salary. Even with the raise, I’ll probably make less than I have in the past due to not getting paid for OT. And, as an architect, we do LOTS of OT.

      Oh well… our industry is still at the point where I’m just glad to have a job.

    • Jacob

      So you work at the bank…. making bank? Living the dream my man!

      • jjyank

        See my comment above. I work at a bank making crap. I will be working for…the government…making a shit ton more. I didn’t get my Masters in International Relations and learn Arabic so I could be at a freaking bank.

        • Jacob

          Ahh shit the government! If I get in trouble wit teh law I will make sure to hit you up!

          • jjyank

            I won’t be involved in domestic matters, but thanks anyway.

            • Jacob

              Shit JJ don’t ruin my dreams like that.

              • jjyank

                Get in trouble in Pakistan, and maybe we talk.

                • Jacob

                  Fly me over there and I will.

    • Anthony

      Congrats, man!

    • MannyGeee

      atta boy JJ. good for you brother. If you ever got to hunt bad guys in Communist Russia Greater Boston, look me up and I’ll buy you that beer.

      I’d give you contact info, but you being in intelligence, I am guessing you know where to find me…!!

  • CountryClub

    Heyman tweeted today that the yanks are “looking to go with Romine”

    • Robinson Tilapia

      They were sold out of spinach, I take it? Oh, wait….

  • anthony

    DO you think Yanks could have gotten Morales for Hughes and if yes would you have done it?

    • Pat D

      I wouldn’t have done it.

    • vin

      Yes, and no way. He’s pretty crummy against lefties, and as we all know, the Yanks need someone who can hit lefties.

      • anthony

        Feel they really need to trade Granderson for prospects and get Soriano for right handed pop and production.Plus he fits in this and next years plans coming in at only 5 mil per year.

        • vin

          Who’s 5 mil per year in 2014? I don’t see them downgrading from Granderson to Soriano when so much of the rest of the team is in question. Remember, they’re still trying to win in 2013… they’re not going to spend Jeter, Mo, Pettitte, ARod, Kuroda, etc final years rebuilding.

          • Anthony

            Don’t feel Soriano is a downgrade higher avg. ,same obp, higher RBI, lower hr but right handed and cheaper.

          • Cris Pengiucci

            Granderson will be a FA in 2014. Soriano will still be under contract. What anthony is saying is get the Cubs to eat enough salary so Soriano only costs $5MM AAV for the next 2 years, so may as well get some right handed pop for him now. Perhaps do something like re-signing Swisher (at 4/50 or so) for the OF spot opened by the loss of Granderson. At that price (don’t know if it’s realistic or not), he’d likely be a better option than Granderson. Not sure I agree, but it’s something they could lokk into. Swap someone else for Swisher if you like. Maybe swing a trade for J. Upton or something, I don’t know.

            • Anthony

              Outfield would be Soriano/ Gardner/Ichiro for the next two years, total cost of under 18 mil. per.Hopefully transitioning us into mason/slade/Austin.

              • Cris Pengiucci

                My preference would be to add someone else, as I stated, and have Sori as the 4th. But, there are other ways to do things.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      They could have and I hope Cashman would have hung up the phone on that one.

    • MannyGeee

      yes they could have, and no I would not have.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    Just played a game called Journey on PS3, one of the most beautiful games I’ve ever played, a whole hell of a lot of fun w/o any dialogue or real plot other than getting to the top of a mountain. Also, a great twist about the companions you encounter along the way. Totally worth the 14.99. Also, completely beatable in about 2-3 hours.

    • jjyank

      I read about that on Cracked.com’s end of the year video game list. Really made me interested, and I had never heard of it before.

    • Rocky Road Redemption

      Making a mental note of that. Is it on Steam?

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        I have no idea, I bought it off of the PSN.

    • Robinson Tilapia
    • G

      Played it a few times now. Beautiful, beautiful game.

  • Yankeefan

    trade nova for montero cash :p

  • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    from other thread:

    oes Cabral have to be on the active 25 man but NOT on the DL? What if he DL’s the entire season? If he’s in recovery, put him on the 25 for April-May-June…

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      He needs 90-days on the non-DL active roster to fulfill the Rule 5 draft requirements. If he’s on the DL all season, the 90 day requirement just carries over into the next year.

    • Cesar “Stairs” Cabral

      Yo no se.

      What weird name this guy got.

      *shrugs*

  • Knoxvillain

    I’m not sure if anyone on here is into guns, but I was just about to order my AR-15 this week but the price went from $650 to $1,500, so that’s not happening. I guess I’ll just end up getting a couple more handguns and another shotgun.

    Fuck.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      Are you expecting the invasion to come from Mexico or Canada??

      • Knoxvillain

        Doesn’t matter where it comes from or if it happens but I’ll be prepared. I just own weapons for protection and I like to shoot. I’m not going to try to take on a standing Army.

        Please don’t turn this into gun control or anything like that.

        • Jacob

          Preparing for the zombie invasion on the 21st duhh

          • Knoxvillain

            Guess I have to buy that shotgun tomorrow then.

            • jjyank

              Everyone knows shotties are the best for zombies. I’ve been on a Halo kick lately, so how about Energy Sword? That’d be bad ass.

              • Jacob

                I prefer a nice big machine gun to take out as many as I can, shotty is a close secong

              • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

                The energy sword is probably the greatest video game weapon ever.

                • G

                  The Master Sword says hello…

              • Knoxvillain

                I still haven’t picked up Halo 4. I only have 1.4 GB left on my HDD. It’s the original one- like 16 GB or whatever it was. Battlefield 3 takes up 11.4 fucking GB.

                Whenever I get around to getting a new HDD I’ll pick up Halo 4.

                • jjyank

                  I feel ya. Battlefield 3 is freaking awesome, so I won’t blame you for that. Halo 4 is also amazing, but you still get my reference I’m sure.

                  The xbox slim is a godsend. 250 GB of harddrive space is pretty sweet.

                  • Knoxvillain

                    I still play BF3 everyday, but I don’t buy the DLC so it pisses me off that I still have to download it onto my HDD. I’d like the slim, but I’d just rather get the HDD. An Xbox is an Xbox to me. All I need is another 16 GB one and I’ll transfer the BF3 content to that one.

                    • jjyank

                      I wouldn’t have sprung for the Slim either, but my old xbox died and I just happened to have a gamespot credit and a few games I had been meaning to trade in. I had an original xbox, so the huge hard drive space and the HDMI port were pretty sweet. I got it cheap though.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      I’ve had three of mine get the red rings, but they were all under warranty. I really want a PS3 because of MLB The Show. I guess I’ll have to get both of the next-gen consoles unless MVP Baseball makes a comeback.

                    • jjyank

                      Ugh, I feel ya man. My only regret of not rolling with the PS system is that I don’t get a good baseball game.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      Yep. I had to buy MLB The Show every year for the PS2. All the way until 2011 because they stopped producing them for PS2 in 2012. That’s how much I hate the 2K games. I’d rather buy a PS2 baseball game than a 2K baseball game.

                      I really hope MVP Baseball comes back. Sony releasing The Show on the Xbox would make me cream my pants.

              • vin

                Everyone knows the chainsaw is best. Stay away from the frying pan though.

            • Jacob

              Hurry! safe spots are all Major League stadiums and facilities, but the capacity for YS3 is 189. XD

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          I’m the furthest thing from being concerned about what’s politically correct or not but bitching about the price of a semi automatic assault rifle 5 days after what happened in Connecticut is pretty fucking insensitive if not outright stupid.

          • Knoxvillain

            It’s not insensitive. If it’s a problem you find it stupid or offensive you can just stop reading.

            • Jacob

              Well I mean, why do you need an assault rifle anyway? I can definately see why the prices went up.

              • Knoxvillain

                I like them, I can use them to defend myself. A couple of reasons. I already have some but I wanted another.

                • Jacob

                  I mean a simple handgun could take down an intruder, are you expecting the whole blood and crip gangs to come at you?

                  • Knoxvillain

                    It doesn’t matter what I expect because the law says I can own one, so I’m taking advantage of it.

                    I use shotguns for home defense anyway. All you have to do is cock it and they will go running. I know if I was ever breaking into someone’s house and I heard them cock a shotgun I’d run out of there as fast as I could. I probably wouldn’t even have to use it.

                    • Jacob

                      True, but the same with cocking a pistol.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      The sound isn’t nearly as scary as a shotgun. Plus the shotguns are much, much louder when you cock them.

                • Pat D

                  Honestly not trying to stir the pot here, but I don’t know a lot of gun owners, and I try to understand the position.

                  But from what exactly are you going to use that assault rifle to defend yourself? I thought it was called an assault rifle for a reason.

                  • Jacob

                    The pack of bears invading tomorrow at noon.

                  • Knoxvillain

                    Why can’t you use an assault rifle to defend yourself? It’s no more dangerous than a handgun or shotgun. Most people that are anti-gun or pro-gun control or whatever like to use the term “assault rifle” because it sounds scary. You can kill anyone with a pistol. Probably even easier than with an assault rifle because you can conceal it.

                    • Pat D

                      I’m not saying it’s not any more effective than a handgun or a shotgun, I’m sure it is. My question would be why isn’t one of those guns sufficient for defense. To me an assault rifle implies offensive intent, like you intend to engage multiple targets, so to speak.

                      But again, I’m just curious to know who you think you need to defend yourself from with it.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      I don’t need it to defend myself, but I’m comfortable firing it and it has high stopping power. I only use one for self-defense, and that’s the shotgun. The rest I have are just for shooting at the gun range.

                    • Pat D

                      OK, so while defense is a reason you could use it, it’s not really the reason you do? I guess I can understand that.

                      Still not my cup of tea. I have fired some rifles in my time, but not for many years. I don’t have a problem with guns, per se, but I have a lot of issues with the NRA and the way a lot of these vocal gun supporters talk about guns as if they’re sacred objects.

                      My opinion is that the 2nd Amendment is horribly out of date and applies to a time and situation far different than today. I’ve always felt that the founding fathers intended for us to keep updating that thing.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      I understand. I don’t have any problems with anyone owning an assault rifle. Unless they are felons or spent time in a mental facility or something like that.

                      The 2nd Amendment is there to protect ourselves from oppressive government and to protect our homes. It doesn’t specify what weapons you can use to protect yourself either, so they shouldn’t outlaw rifles. Especially if the Secret Service and other government employees are allowed to carry them to protect themselves but the ordinary citizen can’t.

                    • Pat D

                      Well the whole protecting homes thing also had to do a lot with the situation of the time. The fact that we were a nascent country that had just forcibly won our independence from a massive empire that was only just across the ocean and was determined to subjugate us again at their leisure was just a bit important.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      But it still applies to today. People still have their homes broken into everyday. Guns are great for defense and I’m never going to give mine up.

                      Switzerland has the lowest crime rate in the world, and almost everyone there owns a weapon. Some town in Georgia has had four murders since 1986 I believe, and three of them took place in a gun free school zone. The owner of every home is required to have a weapon in their home.

                      The crime has dropped every year. It’s not the guns that are the problem; it’s the people.

                • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                  If you need an assault rifle to “defend” yourself, you might want to consider moving.

                  • Knoxvillain

                    I can use whatever I’m comfortable with to defend myself, but I’ll use the shotgun at home.

                    I’m just making a point. A rifle can be used to defend your home. A bullet is a bullet.

                    • Jacob

                      but 30bullets per minute is different than the one necessary. When defending yourself you should not be aiming to kill, only to incapacitate.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      You have to aim to kill now because they’ll end up suing you or something ridiculous. 30 rounds per minute is very slow though. My brother has a fully automatic AR-15 (yes, it’s legal). It probably fires about 750 rounds per minute. He only has it to have some fun with at the range.

                    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

                      Serious question: In what state is a fully automatic assault rifle legal? Seriously, I thought there was a federal ban on automatic weapons.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      I’m pretty sure they’re illegal to manufacture now but you can buy ones that were already made automatic or just change the weapon to fully automatic. My brother has a different stock on his and it turns it into an automatic, but I have no clue how that works.

                      So, they’re illegal to manufacture but that’s it.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      And I’m in Tennessee.

                    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

                      You should be careful about talking about that, because technically changing the stock could be considered ‘manufacturing’ it. Also, I LOVE the AR-15, probably my favorite gun that I’ve ever shot outside of an old-timey gigantic revolver that had a kickback that knocked me back a little bit, and I would own one if I had the money to blow…but there is no reason for them to be legal lol.

                    • Pat D

                      I thought I read that modifying a gun to make it fully automatic was also illegal?

                    • Knoxvillain

                      Maybe in other states, but not in Tennessee at least. There’s no reason for them to not be illegal either. The Glock 23 is probably my favorite weapon I’ve ever fired.

                      The AR-15 looks great and fancy, but if the AWB was reinstated I wouldn’t mind since we already have them and the only reason I have one is to play with at the range. I only wanted one so I could turn around and sell it, I didn’t think that the prices would shoot up this high and this fast.

                    • DC

                      You can only convert if you purchase a RDIAS purchased before 1986. Other than that, it is illegal in TN to modify it to fully auto.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      Really? I didn’t know that. Well it is what it is and it’s only illegal if you get caught.

                    • forensic

                      When defending yourself you should not be aiming to kill, only to incapacitate.

                      There’s a lot in this thread of comments I disagree with, but is not worth starting the argument about.

                      But, regarding this line, if there is a deadly force threat, you shoot to end the threat, whatever the result. It’s life and death, it isn’t a movie where you aim for their knee instead of center mass and never miss.

          • dkidd

            +26

            • Robinson Tilapia

              This is so far down in the thread I can’t even tell who you’re agreeing with.

              I’m staying out of having an opinion here. Those who know me outside of here would know pretty quickly what I think.

        • Pat D

          You should have expected the price to go up once Friday’s events occurred.

          I’m not at all a gun person, but maybe just wait until things have calmed down and then get the one you really want?

          • Knoxvillain

            I doubt the prices are going to go back down after the shooting. I expected them to go up, that’s why I went out as soon as I could to get some.

          • ABC

            Hey did you talk to George Washington or Ben Franklin about how they wanted the constitution to contInually be updated? Or did you just make that up because it fits how you believe things should be. Maybe you should re-write the entire thing and take it to congress.

            • forensic

              There is text in the original Constitution saying how to amend it and there are already 27 amendments.

              I think it’s pretty clear it should be continually updated.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Nor do I see where Pat made any reference to what this guy is referring to.

                Whatever, though. There’s probably “wedge” issues I would make a stink about. This isn’t worth it, especially since everyone else has been pretty respectful thus far.

                • Knoxvillain

                  Yes. I’m surprised nobody has been called any names or anything. I was sure it was going to turn into a shitfest.

                • forensic

                  Pat did mention it in an earlier comment (My opinion is that the 2nd Amendment is horribly out of date and applies to a time and situation far different than today. I’ve always felt that the founding fathers intended for us to keep updating that thing.) and whether he thought that amendment should be updated or the Constitution as a whole, the point still stands that both have been done and it’d be pretty absurd to still live under some of the language in the original Constitution.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Ah, missed it.

                    Those who cite the constitution most often are often those who least understand it.

                  • ABC

                    Just keep on trying to live by and making up your own rules. It seems to be working out just great. No problems at all in America. (eye roll)

                    • forensic

                      Um, huh?

                      No idea where I said I’m living by and making up my own rules, but If you’re actually trying to say we’d be better off living by the words in the original Constitution, then this isn’t even worth discussing.

                    • Pat D

                      Glad to see that you’re the only person who wasn’t willing to keep things civil and resorted to being sarcastic and condescending.

      • Jacob

        +1 lol

    • NYinTX

      Yeah, the panic is insane right now. Fortunately, my armory is full even though I’m always looking for more ammo, mags, and reloading supplies. I’m afraid of how much an additional 500 rounds of .308 or .223 will cost me.

      • Knoxvillain

        My brother pays almost a dollar per bullet for a .223. I went to Wal-Mart the other day to get some .22 LR ammo and they were completely out of all .22 ammo, all 9mm ammo, and almost all of the .223 ammo. I ended up going to another Wal-Mart and bought six 375 round boxes of .22 LR ammo for $125.

    • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

      Not surprised. What is sad about a tragedy like this is that it is a win win for gun dealers. Fear of new gun control allows them to jack prices knowing that people will be looking to buy them last minute. If new laws go in to place then hey, at least they finish out big. If nothing changes then they get a hell of a temporary boost in sales at gouged prices. No matter how terrible the event there is always somebody who profits.

      • Knoxvillain

        Yep. As terrible as it sounds, things like that are great for business. Every time something like this happens, people flock out to get ammo, guns, accessories, etc.

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

    Jayson Stark tweeted that the Marlins have scouted Miguel Tejada to play 3rd base.

    Whenever Yankees fans think they have it bad, just repeat the above sentence 3 times.

    • jjyank

      Heh. I didn’t need to see that to know that Yankee fans have it great compared to Marlins fans. But yeah, that’s pretty desperate.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

        Congrats on your new job by the way.

        When do you start?

        • jjyank

          Thanks man. Gonna be awhile, security clearances are not quick endeavors. Hopefully within 6 months. Might be a bit longer considering my travel in the Middle East.

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

            Cool. Just don’t turn out like Brody from Homeland.

            Guess you’ll be one of the RABers who post in the middle of the night (EST).

            • jjyank

              Nah, I’d be head quarters based. A few weeks a year abroad, but I won’t join the ranks of guys like Plank yet.

              • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                I haven’t seen him post for a while. I hope the NRA militia guys above didn’t get him.

                • jjyank

                  Hah, nah, I think Plank lives on Guam or some place. And has a family. I just remember him being one of the late night guys because of the time difference.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Knoxvillian, let our Plank go!

                  #joking

                  • Knoxvillain

                    Hell, I don’t know anything about the NRA. I don’t even know anybody who’s in it. I have my firearms for protection and for shooting at the range, that’s it. Don’t care about the NRA or anybody else’s opinion on guns whether they’re for them or against them.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      It’s all good. This is a place to be Yankee fans, not to get on each other’s opinions on other matters.

                      I have my strong opinions and, while some may be different than yours, we probably have a lot more common ground on the matter than either of us would realize on the surface.

                      This isn’t the place, though.

                      Now let Plank go.

                    • Knoxvillain

                      Understood. It was all fun conversation with no problems.

                      Just tlkin bout gunz nd baesbal suff.

          • Cris Pengiucci

            They might get you in on an interim clearance. Those used to go through within a week, now they’re closer to a month with the final taking 6 months or so.

    • Frankie M

      We could always send them A Rod to play 3rd in July. Wishful thinking!!!!

    • dan gen

      we are not the f..marlins…………….189

      • forensic

        Why not just change your handle to 189 and save yourself the trouble of typing it into every comment…

        • Pat D

          That would require using logic and brain power.

  • mrdbag

    I’ll take the Marlins scouts everyday pretty impressive.

  • Frankie M

    If you the Marlins what 3 prospects would you want if any for Giancarlo Stanton?

    • Knoxvillain

      Three? You’re talking five. I wouldn’t trade him for any three prospects in baseball.

      • Frankie M

        Ok what five would it take. The Yanks best prospects maybe with the exception of Mike Montgomery are in high a ball.

        • Knoxvillain

          If I’m the Marlins? Probably none from the Yankees to be realistic. It would probably have to be Phelps, Sanchez, Williams, Austin, and Marshall/Turley. That’s the minimum. They all have high upsides, but they’re too low in the minors to have any extreme value.

        • MannyGeee

          The conversation starts with BOTH Nova & Phelps, Mason Williams & Sanchez. Its a sellers market, that “Young Cost Controlled Players” market…

          Loosely worded, trying to acquire Giancarlo Stanton would very well likely create more holes than it would plug for a team like the Yankees.

      • Mads

        If you could combine 3 from any team, you still wouldn’t do it? I might do it for Profar, Bundy and Taveras/Myers

        • Knoxvillain

          Well yeah, but you can’t do that.

          • Mads

            I know, just wondering if you would do it then, or you would want more since prospects aren’t a sure thing, and Stantan is younger than a lot of prospects and a pretty proven major leaguer

            • Knoxvillain

              If I was the Marlins I’d trade Stanton if I could get the right package, but they still have him under control for a few more seasons so hanging onto him still makes sense.

              • Mads

                So because he is still under team control for so many years, his value is too high for any team to be able to trade for him?
                But should the Marlins just take a high package now? Or can he actually improve his value more than it is now?

                • Knoxvillain

                  No, other teams can trade for him. I just don’t think the Yankees have the pieces that the Marlins would be interested in.

                  I’m not sure what the Marlins should do. Either decision is understandable. But I guess we should just wait and see what the Marlins do. Then we will know that the opposite of their decision was the right one, ha.

          • Frankie M

            Your right that poor kid is stuck there! That ownership is horrible.

            • Mads

              Feel sorry for him. That kid could have put up some extreme numbers by the end of his career, but his RBI numbers will most likely not be as high because of all those years with a horrible lineup around him, and then a gigantic ballpark with few homers.

    • Jacob

      Of ours or any?

  • Frankie M

    Chris Rose today on I talk said Robbie Cano could be on the block. With the 2014 l tax looming and Scott B the agent, committed 80 mil ( that’s if DJ takes the 9.5 unlikely) next year, it’s something to think about. The Dodgers are going wild, they need a 2nd baseman. Who do you think the Yanks can get back?

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

      Taking anything said on Intentional Talk (outside of the announcer introducing their names)seriously is a waste of brain power.

      • https://twitter.com/Paddock9652 Stratman9652

        Taking anything on MLB network serious is a waste of brain power. The TV network caters to pretty much any teams version of the “If the Boss were still alive” fans.

        The Satellite radio channel is pretty much excellent though with the exception of a few analysts and a growing number of the callers. Can somebody explain why the only Yankees fans that call in to radio shows are the “If the Boss were still alive” crowd that make us all look bad?

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

          Because intelligent ones usually disagree with the host and back up their arguments with facts and stats instead of hyperbole and emotion…nobody wants to hear that. There’s a reason Brian Kenny’s show dedicated to stats has gotten buried on MLBN.

  • Mads

    Any other “international” users on this site? I’m from Denmark (Europe)

    • Cris Pengiucci

      There are others (not me), from Germany, Ireland (I believe), the Pacific Rim, South America, Canada and I’m sure I’m missing some more.

    • Ethan

      i’m in copenhagen right now. Family lives here now and i’m back for the holidays.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        Yeah, but you’re from Canada. :-) BTW, getting ready to go skiing? I’m soooo jealous! Although I did hear that one ski area nearby me is getting something like 5 feet of snow right now.

    • MannyGeee

      I am from a little third world country called “Central New England”… surrounded by savages in “B” hats and Tom Brady jerseys.

      Bunch of mouth breathers.

    • Luisergi

      Viva México Cabrones

  • Jacob

    Knicks up at the half baby! I think it is a little unhealthy on how I enjoy them beating my city so much.

    • Brooklyn Nets

      It’s 1-1, “so much” is a bit of an exaggeration no?

      • The Real Greg

        Plus to be honest, the Nets aren’t that good.

        • Kevin G.

          Nets could be such a better team if they fired Avery Johnson

        • JobaWockeeZ

          When they learn to play with each other they’ll blow the Knicks out easy.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I agree. I actually think they’re underachieving a bit, but the pieces they’ve got in place are very good ones.

          • Stevie Beef

            The Nets will get better, and they’re already good..but melo is a top 5 player and anytime you have that plus guys who can make shots, youre in good shape

            • Robinson Tilapia

              One of the top five……in the NBA? That’s drinking some bigtime Knick Kool-Aid, son.

              • Ted Nelson

                This season he might be so far. Clearly a small sample, but he’s #3 in PER: http://insider.espn.go.com/nba.....statistics

                • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                  Breaking out the advanced metrics for the NBA. Nice.

                  FWIW, the inventor of PER and some other advanced statistics, John Hollinger, just left ESPN to become the VP of basketball operations for the Grizzlies.

                  Pretty Cool.

              • Stevie Beef

                1. Lebron 2. Durant 3. Come 4. Kobe 5. Mel

                • forensic

                  I’m not a big NBA follower, but I assume #5 is Melo without the ‘o’.

                  But who is ‘Come’?

      • LK

        I’m guessing “so much” is how much he enjoys it, not how often it happens.

  • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike Eder

    Warning: self promotion.

    I don’t know if anyone’s familiar with Bill Petti’s recent work at FanGraphs, but he’s created a stat called volatility to calculate a player’s rate of consistency. The idea is that a more consistent player is better for a team, because their success will be spread out across games, rather than bunched together for just one. The number helps solve a problem with Bill James’ Pythagorean Expectation.

    Well, Petti found that volatility is not random, in that, a hitter does control his ability to hit consistently.

    The most consistent player since 1974? Derek Jeter.

    I was pretty blown away by the stats, and I figured it would be interesting to find the average volatility of each team, taking into account plate appearances. What I found was, despite Derek Jeter being the most consistent last season, the Yankees were the second least consistent team in 2012.

    I think this might explain the ridiculous hot streak in the middle of the season, the cold streak in August into mid-September, as well as the playoffs.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      I did read your article, Mike. It was a great read and something I’ve thought about for a while. It would seem to make sense that a team that is more consistent, game over game, may do better than a team that can score a lot, but not do it consistently. Thanks for doing the research. I didn’t have the desire or know for sure exactly what to do in order to determine that, so while you say your research wasn’t as deep as it could have been, it was far more than I could or was willing to do. Nice job!

      • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike Eder

        Thanks. I think Petti can take this stat pretty far. If he can refine pitcher volatility, we may be able to start applying this to how consistency affects a team’s overall win/loss record.

    • Ted Nelson

      I’m still not sold on the importance of volatility for an individual player. My gut tells me it’s somewhat marginal. I could be totally wrong, and have done absolutely no research on the subject. So, I could be convinced. The way I see it, tere will be times when the volatile guy’s 5-5 night just pushes what might have been a 5-0 win to, say, a 7-0 win. Sure. There will also be times when his cold nights just push what would have been a 2-7 loss to a 0-7 loss, and when his hot nights push what would have been a 5-6 loss to a 7-6 win. I know Petti say he’ll get into it in greater depth, and I’d need to see that before I cared too much about it. As someone in the comment section pointed out, the guys with the highest PA/G (lead-off hitters for good offenses like Jeter and Andrus) are leading the league in volatility, and that might be in part a function of having a larger sample size per game. Ultimately I would guess it’s more important what mean you’re volatile around than how volatile you are. The Yankees had a volatile offense, apparently, but they scored a whole lot of runs.

    • Mike HC

      Thanks for passing that along. Very interesting stuff. Ichiro is the 7th most consistent player of all time. Eric Chavez was the 5th least consistent player in 2012. Also, potential righty outfielder Scott Hairston was the second least consistent player in 2012.

  • Rocky Road Redemption

    I said this to Matt from the Steroid thread, and I’m going to repeat the point here for everybody to see: I like all of the writers here, including the Weekend Writers. You do an outstanding job and generally produce a ton of high-quality work that far surpasses any other Yankee blog I’ve seen.

    But this “Hey, if you don’t like it, here’s your refund” shit whenever somebody make a criticism has to stop. We can flip it around-Hey, if you don’t like having your articles criticized, you don’t need to write them.

    If you don’t want your articles criticized by all means say so in advance and I, at least, will lay off, no questions asked. But if you don’t ask, don’t get mad when the quality of a work that you put out for the public to see gets criticized.

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike Eder

      It’s a case where anonymity allows a commentator to say things they wouldn’t say in real life.

      Matt’s a real person, and he put his name on top of that post. There might be 70+ comments on the article, but I bet you he read everyone of them. Would you ever start a criticism of someone’s work in real life by saying, “…this is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read.”?

      Even if you did read the article and disagreed with it, there has to be a better way to state how you feel. The post was written well, he got his idea across perfectly, and incited a discussion. If you think his opinion is wrong, state yours and argue with facts, don’t try and demean him.

      • Ted Nelson

        I’m sure that more people will say it to you on the internet, but some people will also say it to you in real life.

      • Rocky Road Redemption

        I also compliment many online articles with much stronger language than I ever would in real life, simply because there’s normally no instance where I could see myself saying to somebody “That was one of the most brilliant and insightful things I’ve ever heard!” Not because I’m being rude, but because it feels awkward since I may not know the speaker very well or they may be somebody much more important in their line of work than little old me.

        Online, views are stated much more candidly. If I wrote an article and somebody started with, “I like you, but that is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read,” I’d be annoyed, yes, but I also wouldn’t say, “Here’s your refund”, because like they don’t HAVE to comment, I don’t HAVE to put the article out there.

        IF Matt had responded with, “What an idiotic reply…” we would not be having this discussion, and I say this to you as a promise. I can take it after I dish it if I have to. But “here’s your refund” is a ridiculous response, and it’s said way too often after somebody criticizes a weekend writer.

        Also, I hope none of you ever talk about how much of an idiot Joe Girardi is, or how stupid the move he’s making is, unless you’re willing to go up to him and say it to his face. Or boo players for that matter.

        • Rocky Road Redemption

          Oh yeah, and if Matt writes an article I agree with, or goes after a troll, believe me, I’m on his side.

  • matt

    anyone else catch arod purposely not shake jeter’s hand in melky’s video ^

    • Mike HC

      haha … great eye. Seems a little suspicious, ha.

      • forensic

        Based on Jeter’s non-reaction to it, I thought he slapped it quickly going by.

        Either way, that video should’ve had a warning before it that it was the WGN broadcast. It wasn’t as bad as it could’ve been, but listening to Hawk often needs some sort of warning beforehand.

  • Dan

    On MLBTR they are reporting the Indians might have the high offer for Swisher at 4 years 13 mill per, how do the Yankees not match that? I know it ties up money next year, but that seems like a steal for him. They can trade Granderson and move Gardner to center and Ichiro to left and it will likely free up money for them to sign Cano next year because its unlikely they will be able to sign Cano trying to replace Grandersons production as well.

    • forensic

      Eh, I know it’s not like signing him till he’s 40 or anything, but he is already into his 30’s and his theoretical decline phase and doesn’t really give any great additional value defensively or certainly baserunning wise. I know they’ll take a bit of a hit offensively right now, but not sure that’s really worth it though.

      And yes, I do believe in his postseason issues, for what that’s worth.

  • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

    Jason Vargas for Kendrys Morales?! Hahahaha, LAA got shafted! Vargas had an ERA/FIP/xFIP of 4.78/5.59/4.92 away from Safeco last season.

    • forensic

      I agree Vargas is pretty bad, but it’s not like they gave up anything special. Morales is a switch-hitter in name only as he basically can’t hit lefties and he’s also generally gotten a boost from his home park.

      As someone mentioned before, would I trade Hughes for Morales? I’m not even high on Hughes at all and I still don’t think I’d trade him for Morales.

      • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)

        IMO Hughes>>>>>>>>>>Vargas Vargas~Nova but older and Left Handed.

        • forensic

          I agree Hughes is better than Vargas, I was just throwing that in as a comparison from earlier.

          As for Nova, it’s so hard to know what he is at this point. His two full years are so different that it’s hard to really show something one way or the other. But with him, at least you have the extra years of control remaining.