Winter Meetings Day Three Open Thread


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Day Two of the Winter Meetings was busier than Day One for the Yankees even though they didn’t make any moves or announce another Alex Rodriguez injury. Brian Cashman confirmed speaking to the representatives for Kevin Youkilis, A.J. Pierzynski, Ichiro Suzuki, Eric Chavez, and Raul Ibanez. Jeff Keppinger and Mark Reynolds were also said to be on the team’s radar.

Here are Monday’s rumors and Tuesday’s rumors. We’ll keep of any Yankees-related rumblings here throughout the day, with the latest up top (all times ET).

  • 5:14pm: Reynolds is seeking a similar salary to the $7.5M he made in 2012. [Bryan Hoch]
  • 4:42pm: The Yankees have been talking to the representatives for Mark Reynolds about playing third base. [Sherman]
  • 1:20pm: The Yankees have been exchanging trade proposals with other teams about their players, including Curtis Granderson according to Buster Olney. He cautions that this is typical and the not necessarily an indication that something serious is brewing.
  • 1:11pm: A deal between the Yankees and Youkilis is unlikely, and Keppinger remains the team’s top third base target. Agreeing to a contract length will be an issue. [Mark Feinsand]
  • 10:56am: The Yankees checked in with Hannahan but are not very serious about signing him. Due diligence, I suppose. [Jordan Bastian]
  • 10:16am: Nate Schierholtz is making “good progress” towards his next deal and the Yankees are considered the early front-runner to sign him. That would be swell in my opinion. [Buster Olney]
  • 9:30am: The Yankees “really want” Keppinger and he could wind up with a three-year deal worth $13M. They’ve let Keppinger’s camp know they’ll give him two years. [Danny Knobler & Joel Sherman]
  • There are “strong indications” the Yankees will not seriously pursue Pierzynski. A White Sox official indicated the catcher would be more willing to take a one-year deal with the Bombers than with any other team. [Sherman]
  • Free agent infielder Jack Hannahan is also of “some interest” to New York. The 32-year-old is a great defensive third baseman who will draw a bunch of walks, but otherwise he can’t really hit. [Paul Hoynes]


  1. Joe says:

    I really like the nightly show on YES. Hopefully there will be some Yankee news to report today.

  2. JohnC says:

    If Piezynksi would take a 1 year deal, I’d sign him.

    • Kosmo says:

      barring a trade for a decent hitting catcher which at this point IMO seems unlikely , A.J. on a 1 year deal sounds OK to me.

      • Gerald Williams says:

        ew. He will never produce like last year, and like Mike always says… what a jerk. We don’t want him on the team.

        • Kosmo says:

          I know he got the bad reputation knock, back when he played for the Giants but he´s older and maybe he´s matured ? He played for 7 or so years with the Pale Hose and I never heard any reports of AJ being a bad teammate.
          I don´t expect a repeat of last year but a .270 ave with 10-15 HRs and 60 RBI is a distinct possibility.

          • Jack P says:

            From what I’ve read the last few years he has not matured at all. Saying that, his teammates seem to love him though, it’s just the other teams players who hate his guts because of his dirty play/who knows what else.

        • if they win who cares?

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            There’s limits to that. I’m not sure AJ crosses them for me as much as some other guys would (glad we’re out on Escobar, but even he’s entitled to a dumbass mistake in his life.). I’m sure you have your limit somewhere.

      • dalelama says:

        After putting up with Arod for so many years a minor jerk like AJ should be no big deal.

        • Rick in Philly says:

          Interesting, especially since I can’t recall any teammate of A-Rod’s ever complaining about him. They all applaud his work ethic, his ability, and his leadership, especially to the younger members of the club. But I’m glad you continue to troll here and give us all something to be laugh at.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            +1, although I don’t really give a shit if dalelama trolls around here. Whatever floats his boat.

          • Tonino says:

            I think the whole Arod is a jerk thing has obviously gone too far at this point. But I remember reading about him in Texas giving pitches to opposing batters while he was playing short with the hopes that they would return the favor when he was up at bat. Now, that trumps anything Pierzynski has ever done to my knowledge.

  3. ClayDavis says:

    As much as I hate Francesa. Would love to see him have Hal on this week.

  4. Jersey Joe says:

    Would Keppinger be able to play left field like Nix did down the stretch?

  5. DERP says:

    Considering they don’t want to take on any contracts for 2014, AJ for one year sounds awesome.

    • Magilla Gorilla Mama Called me Roy tho says:

      In fact, it is an opportunity that has fallen from the heavens. If Cashman does not pursue this, then I am lost as to what his assignment is. They need OPS from somewhere and it is very convenient to have a decent cathcher. I assume that he would want a team option with a buyout in 2014.

  6. Bill says:

    Cashman is so stricted by Hal’s Budget he cant make any moves.

    • Rich in NJ says:

      Unless he trades Granderson.

      • Jack P says:

        Seriously doubt this happens, I highly doubt we would get someone like we gave up for him I.E *A starting CF like Austin Jackson* God wouldn’t we love to have him back? Thanks Cash for that trade. So instead of having a RF/C/DH/5th Starter we would also need a CF.

  7. Gerald Williams says:

    It’s way too quiet. Ca$h Ninja has to be working on something big. If not… I’m pretty worried about this team without a C, RF, and 3B. Our pitching seems solid enough (you can never have enough depth though), but our offense worries me. Can a recovering Jeter repeat last year? Will we get anything out of AROD? Can Tex hit a ball the opposite way? Will Grandy get traded or stop striking out? Can Gardner stay healthy and provide a spark? There’s a lot of questions, Cano is the only one who I really feel like we can count on. I want some players that can bat .300 and find a way to get younger.

    Toronto looks very solid, Baltimore is so scrappy, Tampa is always a threat and Boston’s moves don’t scare me one bit. What a bad move with Victorino…

    Ca$h and the Yanks have some work to do.

  8. Curtis says:

    AJ for 1 yr/10M would get it done, I think. The guy I wanted all along. So much better than Martin.

  9. SamVa says:

    It’s too bad that Manny Banuelos was hurt this year.. Maintaining or a rise in his stock could have helped significantly in the trade market.

    On a separate note, can’t wait to see where the cards fall with Upton, Shields, Cabrera, etc.

  10. BJ says:

    From Joel Sherman:
    “Chavez .908 v. RHP/Keppinger .923 v. LHP/both good def at 3B would be strong platoon as A-Rod rehabs, good reserves if he returns”

    I think this sounds like our best course of action.

    • jjyank says:

      I’m down.

    • mt says:

      Only issue is if Arod is gone say 100 games, can you rely on Chavez for 60-70 of those given the number of RH starting pitchers versus LH starting pitchers.

      I like Chavez but much more as a back-up – I keep thinking of when we signed perenially gimpy Nick Johnson to DH and let Matsui and Damon go because those players were too old/limited in field/too expensive. That did not go well.

      I agree with Girardi – they need to assume Arod cannot come back and this solution could possibly handle the whole year. It would be foolish to rely on “he’s coming back strong in June”.

      Also one issue that has not come up too much with Arod is that the right hip never got that second operation (initially before clarifcation, we all thought this new injury onvolved reinjuring his right hip and would have to go in and do that second, final operation that he did not do in 2009)- so is right hip still going to be a problem at some point?

      • Captain says:

        the decision to let Matsui/Damon go worked out well for them.

        • mt says:

          You miss my point. I agreed with the decision to go away from Matsui/Damon – the problem I had was replacing the old/gimpy Damon/Matsui with the gimpy Johnson.

          Here there is no choice involved – Arod can’t play – I just think we need to be wary in replacing him about over reliance on gimpy Chavez where he is on the side of the platoon playing 2/3 of the time for an extended period.

    • Jack P says:

      I’m so sick of platoons it’s not even funny.

  11. Curtis says:

    Also Josh Hamilton is a steal at 5 years(if that’s what he gets). Players like him wind up with 8-10 year deals. His risks scare me less than, say, Cano on a 8 year deal.

    • Mr Pappageorgio says:

      I agree. If 5 years gets you Hamilton, they’d be stupid not to do it. He’d hit 40 home runs on the reg in YS3.

      Getting under 189 is smart, as long as it doesn’t break the commitment the Yankees have to their fans and the players to do whatever they can to put a world series caliber team on the field, every year.

    • mitch says:

      Agreed. I was completely against him a few weeks ago, but if he signs a 4 year deal i’ll be disappointed if the yankees didn’t make an offer.

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod says:

      I could see Hamilton happening if they trade Granderson and can get him on a deal no longer than 5 years. Idk how likely any of that is, but I could see it happening in that scenario.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!) says:

      Maybe its the egg nog talking, but at 4 years I am warming up to Josh Hamilton. If for no other reason, with Hamilton in RF you can live with That Lettuce Guy’s noodle bat as a catcher and Keppinger’s decidedly average offense.

      That said, when I sober up and he’s being fitted with Pinstripes, I am gonna hate myself for going down this path. Like, “walk of shame from the fat girl sorority house” hate.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      I’d take Cano at 8 any day of the week over Hamilton at 5 and it’s not even close.

      • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

        Hmm. Not sure I agree with you unless you are assuming we move Cano to 3B or RF down the road.

        Just out of curiosity where would you change your mind… Cano 9 / Hamilton 4 for example?

        • jjyank says:

          I’ve been advocating Cano to 3B roughly halfway through a potential new deal for a while now.

          • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

            Going by historic trends across all 2B I’d have to agree. Cano certainly has other homes on the field down the road. Hamilton only has DH which reminds me…it’s too bad this ARod thing didn’t happen a year sooner. If we knew right now that ARod was never coming back, it’d certainly make Hamilton for 4-5 years an easier call since he wouldn’t be blocked at DH by ARod (I’m assuming that if Arod is still standing at the end of his deal it will be strictly as a DH).

            • jjyank says:

              Cano has the arm for it and he played 3B in the minors at some point I believe. I really think limiting the necessary range and taking away double play pivots will prolong his career.

      • Luisergi says:

        Wow, i don’t agree with the “it’s not even close” part…

        Also, 5 years of Hamilton would mean 1 year of Hamilton+Cano, good 3-4 combo i’d say.

  12. Cuso says:

    AJ? If we get AJ, we should compel Tampa to ship us Yunel as well. 4 teams in 18 hours.

    Then we should go see if Milton Bradley is still active out there somewhere to fill our RF needs.

    ….has anyone guessed the meme yet?

    • mitch says:

      To be fair, AJ isn’t a criminal…just a douche

      • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!) says:

        OK then, how about Delmon Young? Still fits the meme to a tee. REEEEEAAL hats made of asses.

    • Kosmo says:

      I`m at a loss to find any recent problems AJ has had with teammates or media.
      He survived a number of years with Chicago, they never threatened to trade him because of character issues. Can you point to any one thing in the last 6 years or so ?

  13. MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!) says:

    Its funny, If you had told me in 2011 that a guy like Zach Greinke would be sitting out there on the open market and the Yankees wouldn’t even be sniffing that way because they’re too busty looking for a backup infielder and a RF, I would have told you to shut your lying goddam whore mouth… Meanwhile, here we are.


  14. JohnC says:

    Buster Olney@Buster_ESPN

    “The Yankees are the early frontrunner in Nate Schierholtz’s talks for his next team. “

  15. Adam says:

    Wow, Hanahan, Schierholtz and Keppinger. A true murderers row.

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!) says:

      No so much murderer’s row… maybe a domestic abuser’s row?

      Not nearly as lethal, but they might push you down the steps sometimes… when they’re done they tell you they love you and they just do these thing “because you make me so crazy sometimes, baby!”

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      *hands Adam 1996 and 1998 rosters*
      *walks away*

  16. Drew says:

    I feel like whatever idea Mike seems to have on baseball or Yankee moves, granted he is very knowledgeable, (probably one of more knowledgeable bloggers I have read) seems to be lure amongst commenters. I remember last offseason when John Danks was being thrown around here like he was the next coming of CY Young. I tend to agree with Mike on most topics, but if you disagree or show any sort of frustration towards the Yankees there are people just waiting to jump down your throat and willing to call you irrational/a moron/ etc. It’s not going to stop me from commenting on this site or any other I just see that as an observation and I guess this is true for any blog or website too.

    Done with mini non baseball related rant.

    On to my baseball related rant

    Even though its still early, this offseason has been really frustrating to say the least. I tend to take what Cashman and Girardi says with a grain of salt, but when I am continually hearing that the Yankees catcher is going to come from within, it just blows my mind that the Yankee brass are okay with putting an inferior player on the field. Also with some of the reports that the Yankees are willing to go 2-3 years on Jeff FREAKING Keppinger!!??? So they don’t have $17 million for Martin but apparently (reported) they have $13 for Keppinger. I just don’t know what the hell is going on. Patience is key, but as it is the time of year where most baseball fans (me) are starving for information, waiting for something significant to happen is eating me alive.

    Rants done.

    • Jack P says:

      Some people who comment on this website really think they are better than other posters. You see it all the time, ever since SABER started, everyone is smarter than everyone else.

      Now don’t get me wrong I love me some STATS, but the level of smugness is disgusting.

      • dalelama says:

        Just ignore the wankers that’s all, let them wallow in their misguided righteousness. Most of them I expect rode the pine for their Little League team, couldn’t make the JV squad and try to overcompensate for their failure by claiming SABER superiority.

      • NYCSPORTZFAN says:

        agreed.. Theres people on here who think there more entitled to be on here then others, or so it seems.. They come to know a few regulars and tend to knock others opinions, if ur not a regular.. I disagreed with Mike quite a few times, and i post bout it , and usually people will just go with everything mike says, and if u disagree, its like u called there mom a bad name or something..

        I have been right when disagreeing with mike, and mikes been right.. Even Mike will say, hes not right all the I loved Gio Gonzalez last yr, mike didn’t, and Gio was brilliant this past yr.. The cr-ap i got at the time was crazy!!!lol

        Oh well..

        Either way, i sure hope we sign Keppinger and AJ.. There the exact kinda players this team needs to blend with what we all ready have.. It’d remind me somewhat of the Mariano Duncan and Joe Giardi signings of 1996..

        • Jim Is Bored says:

          It’s really irritating living in a world where logic is shunned.

          I don’t care if you are preaching sabr or batting average or “clutch”, if you’re logical, I’m not going to be an ass to you.

      • Jim Is Bored says:



    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      There’s limits to everything. Be critical of the Yankees. Totally fine. Don’t act like they’re lucky to be where they are and that you can do better, though.

  17. Typical 2 Year Old Yankee Fan says:

    “I don’t want AJ for one year! I don’t want Russell Martin for 2 years! Cashman is a fool! Hal is a tightwad! The nerve of him to try and build a team with $189 million! If George had been around, the payroll would’ve been 250! The next 10 years are doomed!”

    Like that, daddy?

  18. Darren says:

    Guys, if you think AJ Pyrzynski is taking less than a 2 or 3 year deal, you’re dreaming. Just because the Yankees want 1 year deals only doesn’t mean it’s gonna happen. The only possibility is if they blew him away with a 1 year/$15mm offer, and I don’t see them doing that for a catcher in his 30s who is very good but not great.

  19. Jack P says:

    According to MLBTR the Yankees are close to landing Nate Schierholtz, a guy who couldn’t even make it in the Giants lineup.


    • GoNavy-BeatArmy says:

      Hold more potential than Ichiro. If you are hoping we sign Ichiro in hopes he will repeat the numbers he put up as a Yankee, keep dreaming.

      • Jack P says:

        More potential? The guy has been playing since 2007.

        And why can’t Ichiro repeat his Yankees second half? We’ve seen Jeter do it late in his career and Ichiro has always been on par hitting wise with Jeter.

  20. Long-Past-His-Day-Rod says:

    I’d take Pierzynski on a one year deal but absolutely nothing about the idea of Nate Schierholtz playing RF excites me. I’d rather just keep Ichiro.

  21. Nate Schierholtz and the yanks close to a deal. Does that spell the end for Ichiro’s return to pinstripes?

    via MLBTR

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Yeah probably. Schierholtz is no star, but he can hit RHP and play very good defense (cannon arm). Yankee Stadium should help him too. He’s going to end up getting like, $2M on a one-year deal. Plus he’d still be under team control in 2014 as an arb-eligible player. If the Yankees are going cheap in RF (they obviously are), Schierholtz is the best option out there in my opinion.

      • Athenian says:

        Unless there is the deal to trade Granderson which would not be for an outfielder. Then, the Yankees would need a one year option of Ichiro…pure speculation but I still think the Yankees are trying to work out something for Stanton.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        And, at that salary, if something better came along, it wouldn’t necessarily stop them from changing course.

    • Luisergi says:

      Yep, i think it would mean the end of Ichiro in pinstripes.

      I’m 0k with that by the way.

    • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod says:

      God, I hope not. Not implying they should just settle for Ichiro but Schierholtz offers no improvements at all besides his age. He doesn’t hit for power, has no speed, and has never played more than 137 games in a season in his career. Even if Ichiro regresses to the numbers she was putting up in Seattle before the trade (i.e. only ~.10 lower in OBP than Schierholtz) I’d take another year of Ichiro every time. At least Ichiro brings speed, a decent arm, and the ability to play 162 games a year into the equation.

      • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod says:

        Again with grammar/stat fails on my part, ugh. *he, and 0.010 points lower OBP

      • YanksFanInBeantown says:

        You understand that Schierholtz has a stronger arm than Ichiro, right? And that his numbers against RHP combined with a lefty masher of some sort will be much more productive than Ichiro’s would be? And that he actually has some pop from the left side and that saying that he doesn’t hit for power is in no way shape or form an argument for keeping Ichiro over him?

        Just checking.

        • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod says:

          I said Schierholtz offers no improvement over Ichiro. Ok, his arm is a little stronger you got me there, Ichiro’s isn’t a wet noodle either. Schierholtz doesn’t hit for power despite your irrefutable assertions that “he actually has some pop from the left side.” Nate hit 3, 9, and 6 HR to Ichiro’s 6, 5, and 9 over the last 3 seasons. It’s a wash between the two in the power department which does, in fact, help make my argument that Schierholtz offers no improvement over Ichiro. You’re getting the same type of hitter while downgrading in the speed department.

          In addition, I was simply stating my opinion which apparently required you to respond in a snide, elitist manner instead of simply offering a counter-argument.

  22. the tenth inning stretch says:

    Mike did a great writeup about him. He seems to fit nicely.

    • the tenth inning stretch says:

      Wow, reply fail.

      • Jack P says:

        His career OPS is .727

        That is Category D in OPS Rankings.

        He’s going to be 29 so he has reached his peak.

        Yea he’s “fine” if you want to be the Giants, not the Yanks.

        • the tenth inning stretch says:

          Smugness much?

        • the tenth inning stretch says:

          Also, Giants won 2 of the last 3 WS. Just saying.

        • Jack P says:

          I’d rather sine Ichiro (Not a huge fan but at least he can run the base-paths well) and had a .794 OPS for us last year.

          • Mike Axisa says:

            And a .696 OPS overall.

            • Jack P says:

              Sorry but a 5.2 WAR since 2007 doesn’t inspire much confidence in me for a starting RF in Yankee Stadium.

            • Long-Past-His-Day-Rod says:

              Because thats sooo much worse than the 0.728 Schierholtz put up while playing a good 50 less games, stealing 3 bases and hitting 6 HR. I’ll take the 3 extra HR and 26 extra SB from Ichiro. I would like them to find and alternative to Ichiro but I feel to see how Schierholtz is that guy in any way shape or form. Negligible defensive improvement, younger and cheaper? He really has nothing else going for him over Ichiro.

          • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

            stop with the tangents

        • Mike Axisa says:

          Yea he’s “fine” if you want to be the Giants, not the Yanks.

          Yeah, these last few years have totally sucked for the Giants.

          • Jack P says:

            I’ll end my stance here, but if the Yankees do sign him and he is our starting RF, I’ll come back mid-season and see if you still feel the same way about him. Who knows maybe he’ll fit? But I highly doubt it.

            • Mike HC says:

              He will definitely be in as a platoon, and only playing everyday in case of injury. Even as a platoon bat though, he seems relatively ho hum. Career .708 OPS vs lefties .738 vs righties. He did OPS .826 last year though, so maybe the Yanks think that is repeatable.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Then you make fixes. Even the Yankees can make adjustments mid-season. Paging Tony Womack..

          • LightSABR says:

            And Schierholtz contributed about as much bWAR to the Giants success over those three seasons (2.1) as David Phelps contributed to the Yankees just this year (2.0).

            If Yankees sign Schierholtz and don’t upgrade offense elsewhere, it’s proof ownership is cashing out. They think they can’t increase revenue further through investment in team success, so they’re just going to cut costs and exploit fan loyalty all the way to the bank.

        • Reggie C. says:

          Schierholtz can field the corner outfield spots and hit RHP at an above ML average clip. The man represents fine outfield depth but he’s not a starter. He doesnt have much power and OBP skills to justify making him an everyday guy.

          If Schierholtz is Swisher’s replacement, i’ll bet you Cashman is looking for OF help by midseason.

  23. Willballs says:

    I’m the cash so here is my agenda.
    1) sign youk to 1 yr deal and have him platoon with Chavez at 3rd and give tex a break now and than at 1st. Nunez and Adams make team as platoon players.
    2) if that doesn’t work out move cano to 3rd and put Adams and cojo in a lefty/righty platoon at 2nd. Nunez back up jeter at ss.
    3) trade Grandy for best prospects attainable and free up 15 mill
    4) try sign Hamilton to 4 year deal with 5th yr option front loaded
    5) bring back ichiro and put him in left Hamilton in right and Gardner in cf
    6) let Romine proove he can handle at least a platoon role at catcher with another defensive minded catcher
    7) lastly pitching always wins so give Montgomery a shot at making team along with mo Rivera, joba, Robertson, and few lefty specialist sprinkled in

    Now lets go to war with this team, we didn’t trade away our farm system which will be one year closer and we brought in some youth at catcher and 2nd if your doesn’t sign youk to 1 yr deal.

  24. Chas131 says:

    The Yankees have to trade Curtis granderson. He is probably our 2nd best hitter but if we are going to go on the cheap he is our best chip. Grab as many prospects as you can and keep calling San Diego and ariz until they capitulate.

  25. Mike HC says:

    Not too excited by the prospect of signing Nate Schierholtz. Seems pretty mediocre, even for a platoon bat. Does ha have a rep as a good defensive player?

  26. LightSABR says:

    Schierholz… It’s “swell” that they’re going to try to replace some of their missing offense with yet another lefty outfielder, hitting below 100 wRC+? In what world is that swell?

    You know what was really swell? When ownership was committed to fielding a playoff-worthy baseball team every year.

    • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

      You mean like an ownership who has missed the playoffs exactly once since 1995?

      This past season and this off season that’s followed has really opened my eyes to what my Met fan and Sox fan friends mean by the entitlement bullshit that goes along with labeling yourself as a Yankee fan.

      • Drew says:

        Please see previous rant.

        As a Yankee fan he has every right to complain about not putting a competitive team on the field and in my opinion and many others Nick Schierholz does not make the Yankees any better. This has nothing to do with “being a spoiled Yankee fan” it has to do with the Yankees trying to cut costs while their revenues (and all of baseballs) are at an all time high! The Yankees want to continue charging thousands of dollars for a ticket to sit in the lower bowl of the stadium, $11 for a beer, etc your damn right that they better put a competitive team out on the field. Just because you are a Yankee fan doesn’t mean you have to agree with every single thing that they do front office wise.

        There is another side of the coin where you can’t complain about every single thing that they do, and there are certainly Yankee Doomsday commenters on here, but being upset about the Yankees cutting cost and having Nick Scherierholz as the starting RF is reasonable.

        • Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

          And I am actually reasonably upset about the whole cost cutting thing (see my comment below about Nate himself and platoons) But let’s be real here: Even if the Yankees sign Nate (fuck spelling his last name it’s too long and easy to screw up), Keppinger, Chavez, and RHH OF’er with Gardner, Granderson, Cano, Tex, and our pitching staff it’s not like we’re the fucking Pirates, that team still wins ~90 games and makes the playoffs.

          • Drew says:

            yeah its a complete pain in the ass to spell Nicks last name lol

            I agree with you that the Yankees are no Pirates, and I am sure they know what they are doing more than me, and If I were the GM I would probably wet myself and start screaming to give Hamilton whatever he wants. (I guess that would make me George Steinbrenner but in his later years)

            The team will be competitive this year, but making the playoffs is no guarantee.

          • LightSABR says:

            You think ~90 wins gets you into the playoffs next season? Tell that to Tampa (90 wins, no playoffs) or the Angels (89 wins, no playoffs). We’re not in the AL Central here.

            Am I spoiled? Probably. Ownership has told us for years that they’ll try to win a championship every year, and I’ve simply taken them at their word. And enjoyed it–it’s made for some very exciting baseball.

            I’m not one of these “the Yankees can do no right” types. I wasn’t posting doom and gloom comments when they sucked last August, and I’ve never complained when they get screwed by bad luck (e.g. the Pineda trade). But I suspect ownership has realized that under current conditions, they can make a lot more money by cutting costs and fielding a team that might eke out 90 wins than by trying to build a new dynasty. And that’s the last outcome I want–I’d much rather watch pathetic, rebuilding Yankees leading to a new dynasty than what I’m now expecting, which is five years of teams that might barely make the playoffs because the Steinbrenners aren’t willing to open their wallets and field a solid team.

        • Captain says:

          step back for a second, you’re completely calling off the Yankees not being competitive in 2013 on December 5th, 2012? thats why people need to relax a little bit with the doom and gloom and let the rest of the offseason play out.

          • Drew says:

            I am sure they are going to be competitive, I never said that. But if Nick Scherholz is their idea of a comparable RF to Swish, that is them not fielding a competitive team IMO. But what I was trying to say is that my frustration are more about the Yankee budget and getting under the 189 million cap, which is justified.

            • Captain says:

              i don’t see why the Yankees would consider him comparable to Swisher alone. he’s a platoon guy so i would expect them to add another OF. if its just Schierholtz, they i recant my statment.

    • thenamestsam says:

      If we accept that the budget for RF is like $4M than yeah, I guess Schierholtz is alright. But goddamn, Swisher out and Schierholtz in is a big step back for this team. We knew this $189 was going to be painful, but man we’re looking at like 3 years of this. Certainly not what we’re used to. And yes I realize how spoiled I am.

      • Drew says:

        I agree with you 100%, but its not about being a spoiled fan, its about the Yankees living up to the expectations that they have set for themselves. Those expectations have been passed down to its fans. The frustrating part like I said before is that it is not like the Yankees are strapped for cash they are actually flush with it.

        • LightSABR says:

          Yeah, people keep talking like ownership has no choice but to cut costs, given the new collective bargaining agreement.

          I say BS. The amount of revenue the Yankees are generating would support a substantially larger payroll, luxury tax and all, and still pay the owners a healthy profit. All the collective bargaining agreement does is give them cover to screw the fans and line their wallets.

          • Havok9120 says:

            To be fair, “lining their wallets” is the whole point of owning a baseball team or any other business. Increasing profits on something they own and no one actually NEEDS is simply not comparable to theft.

            • Drew says:

              How many yachts do Steinbrenner need to water-ski behind?


              • Havok9120 says:

                Snark and bad jokes aside, the point stands. They aren’t withholding foodstuffs from a starving population, running HUD loan scams, or otherwise attempting to profit off people who have no choice but to pay them money. Nor, for that matter, are they punting the team and pocketing cash without reinvestment. They’ll still be among the highest payroll teams even if they remain just under the luxury tax indefinitely.

                We can be ticked about it, but nothing they’re doing is WRONG, or even morally grey. Its just how the entertainment business works.

            • LightSABR says:

              1) I didn’t compare it to theft.

              2) But I probably should have. The current Steinbrenners have contributed to the Yankees’ legacy, but they didn’t create it, and now I expect they’re going to spend the next five-ish years exploiting it without investing to keep it the tradition strong.

              3) Owning a sports team has never really been about business:
              As the aging billionaire owners of the Tigers and Nats have realized. Do you think signing Prince Fielder and Jayson Werth were business moves? No, they were “I want my team to win a championship” moves. As stupid as those deals were, I’d rather have those owners than these. (But hopefully with someone intelligent in the front office keeping them out of trouble.)

              • Havok9120 says:

                Without investing? Even with the cuts payroll alone will be 190 million dollars. Upkeep on the stadium is massive, especially once the loans required are taken into account. There’s the money spent in the draft, the money spent on development, the money, the money, the money….

                Keep in mind with the Tigers and the Nats, you’re talking about teams who have decided “now is the time” and spent the money. With the Steins, you’re talking about a continuous (and, oh yeah, still much higher) level of investment. Hank and Hal have had effective control since, what, 2007? Even if you only want to count those 5 years, its still billions of dollars of their own money we’re talking about. It isn’t chump chance for any private citizen or group of private citizens.

  27. JohnC says:

    Schierholtz would be a good pickup. Would need a righty compliment though to platoon with him

    • Jack P says:

      Legit question, is anybody else getting sick of platooning being our answer for most every open outfield position the last two years?

      • Mike HC says:

        Granderson and Gardner are both everyday players though for the most part. So it has only been one outfield spot platooning, which has been relatively common for the Yanks over the years.

      • Havok9120 says:

        No. Its been 1 spot per year (at most) and planning for a possible platoon has allowed the team to be far more resistant to injury.

      • I Collect Brett Gardner Cards says:

        yea, i don”t get this platoon happy thing lately.
        as far as nate. no thanks.
        why not just bring back ichiro?
        he did well here. he loved it here.
        will nate do what ichi did in 12 for us? likely not, so just go with the devil you know.
        cashman boggles me a lot of times.

        my whole attitude on the names we have heard is this…

        how would any combo of Kepp, youk, nate, chavez, ross aj make this team BETTER than last years team.

        you gotta improve, not tread water, 189 be damned.

        • Havok9120 says:

          189 NOT be damned, because that’s what the team is working with. We can complain, we can be ticked, we can swear off the team and you know what? The FO will still have to work within 189.

          As for Ichiro…HE isn’t all that likely to repeat what he did for us in 2012, certainly not over a full season. What’s more, he’s likely to be far more expensive without a great deal more production to show for it. In other words, he’s exactly the kind of player so many of us have complained about for years: payed top dollar for name recognition and for showing a flash of his former self even after he’s passed his prime.

    • Captain says:

      I agree. I really don’t understand why everyone thinks that another RF wouldn’t still be on the table along with Schierholtz. I highly doubt he’s going to be the only RF on the depth chart.

  28. Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM) says:

    Not a huge fan of Schierholtz, or really having a platoon in at least 2 spots, 3 probably (RF, 3B, and C) for most of the season next year but our starting pitching alone (assuming they all stay healthy) should win us a bunch of games if we can score ~4 Runs a game.

  29. GoNavy-BeatArmy says:

    LMAO @ half of the posts on here blasting any player that doesn’t hit 300/450 with 40 HRs. Whether you like it or not, the Yanks are getting under the 189 mark for 2014. Unless you want the AAA playing in 2014, they need to sign some of these mid-level players. Just because it won’t be the “typical” Yanks team doesn’t mean we can’t win. We have had on of the best teams on paper the last 3 years and won nothing. The Giants/Cards both didn’t have sluggers all over the place — they have mid-level players playing well. We have pitching which is what they won with.

    Please stop whining — it just sounds pathetic. We are not signing Hamilton, Greinke, Bourne, etc — everyone we sign is getting paid less than $10 million — you get what you pay for.

  30. Mr Pappageorgio says:

    Wow. We let Swisher walk, are probably all but out on Hamilton, do not have the upper level minor league talent to make a trade for a good outfielder, former impact players are signing with the Pirates over us, and Cash is busy bottom feeding so the Stein Bros can save money.

    How did we get here?

    • JohnC says:

      Yeah Swisher was really a difference maker for us the last 2 years when we really needed him

      • Mike Axisa says:

        Only hit .367/.479/.595 in the final 25 games of the season when the Yankees were fending off the Orioles. Too bad the games that actually got NYY into the postseason don’t count as much as the actual postseason to come people.

    • Reggie C. says:

      The top 3 suspects:
      1. Michael Pineda’s labrum;
      2. Banuelos’ TJS diagnosis;
      3. Betances’s regression in command and demotion to AA.

      Had Pineda been healthy and performed something along the lines of what his ’11 campaign suggested, the Yankees would have had the centerpiece trade chip to nab a Carlos Santana or a Justin Upton.

  31. Reggie C. says:

    I’d rather have Granderson in pinstripes, focused and aiming at a big AAV raise that’ll surely come his way if he puts up numbers resembling his 2011 season. Yankee fans will surely be cursing the day we traded Granderson for a couple B prospects and missed out on his walk season rebound.

    As it is, i’d be shocked if a team gave up a good prospect for Granderson. The man is going to test free agency unless the trading team gives him something on par to market dollars.

    • Mike HC says:

      I’m with you. His production is too important this year to trade him for anything less than legit prospects and not a couple of B guys.

    • Steve (different one) says:

      This is not directed at you, but just so we’re clear: Granderson off a down year and a year from FA returns nothing, but Ellsbury coming off a dismal year and a year from FA returns an “ace”? This is what I read in the other thread….

      • Reggie C. says:

        Haha. Well, one of the assessments is DEAD WRONG then. And i hope that ain’t me who’s wrong.

        I just dont see how Ellsbury nets the Red Sox an “ace”. Ace reliever maybe. No frigging way does a team let go of an under-30, cost controlled, front-line pitcher for Ellsbury. Not with all those shoulder issues.

    • Block says:

      Agree, Why trade Grandy when value is low. He will be great in
      walk year.

  32. Greg says:

    Re-sign Jake Gibbs, Horace Clarke and Dooley Womack. They’re all better than the garbage being considered, they’re familiar with the NY market as they’re all former Yankees and they’ll come cheap (aren’t some of them dead?).

  33. Joba is Einhorn...Einhorn is Joba says:

    dont post much here but i read the site often and I am glad to see other yankee fans are as frustrated as I am

    i am old enough to remember the lean years of the late 80s/early 90s so i could handle them not being that great for a few years. If they are really committed to this 189 nonsense I would honestly rather see them start to (not rebuild but retool) and trade the tradable commodities (granderson and hughes)…

    if they tell me “we are going to not be too good for the next two years” I am okay with that, but its looking more and more like they are building a team to be just “good” rather than championship caliber and i would personally rather see them stink for two years and come back in 2015 guns blazing with a mix of good young players and high priced free agents

    guess i am just a spoiled yankee fan – its not like they are the pirates although their top heavy contracts are making them act like it

    • Captain says:

      i don’t get the fascination to trade players just to trade them. the returns for Granderson and Hughes will not be these amazing young players people expect to take over in 2014.

      • Joba is Einhorn...Einhorn is Joba says:

        its not a fascination with trading players – I like both alot and would like them to be on the team for the next 5 years, but thats not reality – so we keep them this year and they both walk because of this 189 nonsense???

        are they going to get someones top prospect for them? absolutly not, but a 40hr cf and a good mid-rotation starter both with affordable contracts will get back a decent return.

        • vin says:

          Not sure how you can refer to meeting the 189 mil payroll as “nonsense.” Depending on their payroll after 2014, the Yankees can save anywhere from 50-200 million dollars. Certainly not nonsense.

          Payrolls are once again escalating thanks to all the new tv contracts, and the Yankees are putting themselves in position to get MUCH more bang for their buck.

          Having said all that, they’re not going to punt this year. They have to make every effort to make the playoffs because:
          A) need to protect the brand as one that is ALWAYS a championship contender
          B) can’t afford to waste any of the end of Rivera, Pettitte, Jeter, ARod(±), Kuroda’s careers (at least the part where they’re still effective).

    • Jack P says:

      Everything you said makes perfect sense Einhorn, I’m with you 100%

    • Havok9120 says:

      They’ve said they’re open to offers on both players. They’ve likely fielded offers on both players. Said offers have almost certainly not promised to bring us current or future value equal to those two players, let alone actually blown the FO away.

      Trading useful pieces just so they can look like they’re Doing Something is definitely not what I want the team doing right now. We’ve got the best pitching staff we’re likely to have for the next several years; make as best use of it as we can without destroying the longer-range plans.

      • Joba is Einhorn...Einhorn is Joba says:

        I see your point, perhaps I am itching to see them do something. I just don’t have confidence that the pitching staff can carry them

        this offseason is like the twighlight zone

  34. Athenian says:

    I like Shierholtz – brought it up before he was traded on a weekly chat and Mike shot it down as a bad choice because of his offense – but focusing on his lack of production at the expense of defense might be a bit overboard.

    There is the is assumption that RF needs to produce huge offense when the reality is that the Yankees need their highly paid offensive stars to start producing again (not name Jeter) not continuing to decline.

    • Mike HC says:

      Gardner in center and Graderson in left should be a great defensive outfield. Wanting a RF, the least amount of ground in Yankee stadium, to be more offensive minded seems logical to me. I have no problem with Shierholtz though, but he just seems like another guy to me.

  35. I Collect Brett Gardner Cards says:

    also in regard to Nate, why not just use Dickerson in the role he would fill?
    his career slash vs RHP is better than shierholtz in all categories.

    • josh says:

      this is what i don’t understand. every opportunity dickerson has gotten he has performed, with well above average defense, speed, some power, and very solid hitting. why in world wouldn’t he better than schierholtz? give this guy a righty platoon partner, why couldn’t he be a valuable piece? i know mike likes him but i feel like he gets very overlooked.

  36. endlessjose says:

    The Yankees are willing to give Keppinger a man who is overrated as a player and is in a walking boot $13 million to be a 4th infielder but won’t give Martin who is a starting catcher $17 million.

  37. Antpal says:

    What would it take to get asdrubal and choo. Move asdrubal to 3b . Fits our needs and both are very available according to reporters.

    • Mr Pappageorgio says:

      I think it starts with a better than Phelps/Nova major league ready pitcher, and two high level top prospects – neither of which the Yankees have.

    • Tonino says:

      Haven’t seen his name thrown around at all, but how about Jason Castro as a C option. What does that package look like? Marshall+ something?

  38. The Rays, Rangers, Indians, and Diamondbacks have re-opened the four-team trade talk

    Why the hell wouldn’t the yankees get in on this?

  39. vin says:

    I definitely don’t see them signing both Ichiro and Raul. At some point they need a RH OFer. Dickerson and Schierholtz seem redundant to me, so I don’t see that happening.

  40. Jack P says:

    “Speier clarifies that Youkilis has multiple multiyear offers on the table, though he’d still be open to one-year deals, particularly from teams with championship aspirations.

    Get Him Now.

  41. Zach says:

    The Yankees need speed and contact now, not power. That’s why I think they should resign Ichiro. keppinger doesn’t offer much power, but he hit .325 last year fot Tampa. They fell apart last in the playoffs last year because the didn’t hit homeruns, and therefore couldn’t put any runs on the board. If they can sign Ichiro, keppinger they should. ANother possibility for the OF is Matt Diaz. He’s a sold right handed bat who can hit for average. Freddy Sanchez, a former batting champion also is available and could be a decent signing. We can’t expect the Yanks to go out and get the Hamilton’s and AJ’s on the market. We’re not the top dog anymore. We need to go back to the 90s and sign role players who can put the ball in play and run the basepaths. The dynasty happened when we went by that philosophy, not when we had a 200 million dollar payroll.

  42. Jack P says:

    For some reason I wish Daniel Murphy was a free agent, he is criminally undervalued and would potentially fill our hole in RF.

    He had a .859 OPS in 2012 with an above .300 avg/ .380OPB

    Even though he does that/also playing above average defense, since he doesn’t do one thing EXTREMELY well, he never gets talked about.

    Ahh well.. what can you do? Maybe he can be traded for is Texas decides to put Olt in the outfield?

    • Jack P says:

      Hell I’d even take Michael Morse.. Nationals are looking to trade him, but pleas not Shierholtz

    • LitFig says:

      Wait, Daniel Murphy…from the Mets? The Butcher of Bayside? You don’t remember the horror show that he was in the Mets OF? He would make us long for the defensive stylings of Nick Swisher.

  43. Also, how would aquiring Asdrubal Cabrera change the way the Yanks went after Cano?

    Obviously Cano’s in a different class, but Cabrera is no bum either, and the drop off wouldn’t be as terrible as it would be if you went with Adams or some random FA.

  44. mt says:

    Couple of points here

    1) Getting upset about signing up for Keppinger’s potential $4 million AAV (whether 2 or 3 years) to turning down Martin’s $8.5 million AAV does not take into account options – Yankees for good or for bad, feel they have or will have cost-effective options for replacing Martin at that salary level – who’s replacing AROD for 100-162 games?

    2) Someone made a point earlier – becuase of these older big contracts Yanks will actually have to rely on their highly paid top level stars to produce like they are being paid – they can’t hide behind the Swishers (who has never been considered truly elite) , or Chavez/Ibanez of the world who were gotten on the relative cheap yet outproduced their salary. It seems as if yanks are to be competitive at getting to 95 wins again Cano will not be able to get away with those stellar numbers but horrible RBI performance , Grandy will have to look more like 2011 and Tex will have to do his 30-40 and 110 RBIs and Jeter will have to channel some form of 2012 (unreasonable to expect 2012 again but hopefully some close facsimile.) There is less offensive cushion from everybody else. (no Arod and we may have a platoon in right, catcher and 3B that may struggle to repeat their predecessors’ offensive numbers.)

    • MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!) says:

      “Cano will not be able to get away with those stellar numbers but horrible RBI performance”

      You know that Cano needs people on base in front of him in order to get those RBI numbers up, right? Hard to blame this one on him, its like blaming him for the price of parking at the Meadowlands.

      • LitFig says:

        Actually, when you look at his RISP numbers from last year, you can blame it on him.

        I think it was just one of those years, but you can’t ignore the fact Cano was bad with runners on base.

  45. jjyank says:

    Dear Baseball Gods,

    Please do not let the Rangers get Upton.

  46. ClayDavis says:

    So now Texas is also in on Justin Upton? And the Yankees are talking Schierholtz? Sickening.

  47. Nathan says:

    Mediocrity. It appears to be on Cashman’s Christmas list.

  48. mustang says:

    I get the feeling that the Yankees are fallback situation with the Indians Cabrera and maybe the Diamondbacks Upton. Its funny how much people here value the Yankees prospects yet they don’t seem to enough to attract the big fish.

  49. MannyGeee (189M or bust, bitches!) says:

    Soooo… Corey Hart is on the market and the Brewers are looking to free up cash for an SP and a reliever…. I would say we match up well, but do we want Corey Hart?

    Personal favorite, so I could throw out some proposals… though truth be told, MTPS.

  50. LitFig says:

    OK folks, here’s the plan for the next TWO offseasons:

    1) Sign Hamilton to a 5 year/100-110 million dollar deal. He’ll be elite at least 3 of the 5 years.
    2) Trade Granderson. If the Mets could get Zack Wheeler for half a season of Beltran, we could at least get a comparable haul for Grandy.
    3) Offer Cano a 7 year/140 million dollar extension. If he signs, great. If not, trade him. You’d get 2 plus prospects for him.
    4) If the Cano trade comes to fruition, you package some combo of prospects to Miami for Giancarlo Stanton.
    5) You send a top outfield prospect (and maybe something else (Nova? J.R. Murphy?)) to the Mets for Jon Neise.

    Scenario A
    OF Hamilton, Gardner, L/R Platoon
    IF Youk, Jeter/Nunez, Cano, Tex
    C Pierzynski/ Romine

    Scenario B
    OF Hamilton,Gardner, Stanton
    IF Youk, Jeter/Nunez, Cojo/Nunez, Tex
    C Pierzynski/Romine

    Rotation of CC, Kuroda, Pettitte, Niese, Hughes, with Phelps, a recovering Pineda and Banuelos being your depth/2014 starters.

    Tell me I’m crazy.

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