A-Rod among players listed in latest PED report

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A report in The Miami New Times concerning Anthony Bosch — who is under investigation by MLB and the DEA — says Alex Rodriguez is among the players who received performance-enhancing drugs from his South Florida clinic. According to the clinic’s records, A-Rod received HGH and other substances from Bosch from at least 2009 through last season. Here’s the A-Rod-related text so you don’t have to read the entire article…

There, at number seven on the list, is Alex Rodriguez. He paid $3,500, Bosch notes. Below that, he writes, “1.5/1.5 HGH (sports perf.) creams test., glut., MIC, supplement, sports perf. Diet.” HGH, of course, is banned in baseball, as are testosterone creams.

That’s not the only damning evidence against A-Rod, though. Another document from the files, a loose sheet with a header from the 19th Annual World Congress on Anti-Aging and Aesthetic Medicine, lays out a full regimen under the name Cacique: “Test. cream… troches prior to workout… and GHRP… IGF-1… pink cream.”

(snip)

There’s more evidence. On a 2009 client list, near A-Rod’s name, is that of Yuri Sucart, who paid Bosch $500 for a weeklong supply of HGH. Sucart is famous to anyone who has followed baseball’s steroid scandal. Soon after A-Rod’s admission, the slugger admitted that Sucart — his cousin and close friend — was the mule who provided the superstar his drugs. In 2009, the same year this notebook was written, Sucart (who lives in South Miami and didn’t respond to a message left at his home) was banned from all Yankees facilities.

The mentions of Rodriguez begin in 2009 and continue all the way through last season. Take a page in another notebook, which is labeled “2012” and looks to have been written last spring. Under the heading “A-Rod/Cacique,” Bosch writes, “He is paid through April 30th. He will owe May 1 $4,000… I need to see him between April 13-19, deliver troches, pink cream, and… May meds. Has three weeks of Sub-Q (as of April).”

Melky Cabrera, Gio Gonzalez, and Nelson Cruz are among the other players named, and all have South Florida ties. MLB will implement in-season HGH testing this year and although I stopped caring about the PED stuff a long time ago, this is obviously going to be a huge, huge story. I’m sure we’re going to hear an awful lot more about this. This is only the start.

Update: Ken Davidoff says the Yankees are going to stay out of the way and let MLB do its thing. The Rangers issued a statement saying they will do the same with Nelson Cruz. Standard protocol.

Update Part Deux: It’s worth noting that players can be suspended for “possession” of PEDs according to the Joint Drug Agreement. There does not have to be a failed test. There’s even a whole section on how to appeal a suspension without a failed test. Several players, including Edinson Volquez, were allowed to serve PED-related suspensions while on the DL.

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  • Blake

    If Alex is still using then 1) he’s just incredibly dumb 2) it’s not working

    • Ted Nelson

      1) Debatable. Probably dumb health wise. He doesn’t seem to be getting caught by the testing, though, and this will probably be a he-said, he-said thing. His motivation is probably all-time great status at this point more than $, so there is the risk of negative pr ramifications but the drugs could help him actually reach the milestones to even have to worry about the pr.

      2) He was still a strong starting 3B with very limited hip movement, apparently, so it very well might have been working incredibly well.

      • Blake

        That’s really a reach to debate that first point Ted….after denying using after 2003 and ruining his reputation……if he lied about it and continued to use then that’s both dumb and reckless……..if its true of course which we don’t know at this point

        • Ted Nelson

          Try discussing it instead of assuming you are right. You are thinking about it quite narrowly. There is a PR downside, a health downside, and a penalty downside both legally and from MLB. There is also a huge upside, though: the potential that it makes him a much better baseball player. There are literally financial rewards tied to him hitting HRs. He also seems quite motivated by his all-time status, which again there are mixed implications for. There’s also the stress and general bad-will associated with being so highly paid and stinking, which there has got to be a lot of value in avoiding from a quality of life standpoint.

          A ton of baseball players seem to take PEDs, and I would argue that they are not all stupid. There are huge incentives to do so.

          • Blake

            You try doing the same Ted instead of assuming you’re right….yes maybe it could make him a better baseball player….given his history and what it’s already cost him then it wasn’t a very smart decision if true IMO….you’re welcome to yours

            • Ted Nelson

              Asme I’m right about what? My only argument is that there are more things to consider. Stop reading things that aren’t there.

              What has it cost him? He’s made more money than any baseball player in baseball history, no? He’s had a hell of a life so far, and his family should continue to have a hell of a life for generations.

              • Blake

                It’s cost him his reputation….endorsements….most likely the HOF which has its own financial perks ….and most importantly for him his place in history

                • Ted Nelson

                  Again, it’s an assumption you are making that those things would be possibilities without PEDs.

                  And does all that equal $300 million?

                  • Blake

                    The sky is blue Ted. Ok go.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      You don’t get it at all, huh?

                    • Ted Nelson

                      There is a legitimate incentive to take PEDs. That why dozens of players have been accused of doing so. You can pretend there isn’t if you want, though, and just aay that they are all dumb. Everything Blake doesn’t understand is dumb!

                    • Ted Nelson’s Conscience

                      Well it lies in the way our vision works. We have three types of color receptors, or cones, in our retina. They are called red, blue and green because they respond most strongly to light at those wavelengths. As they are stimulated in different proportions, our visual system constructs the colors we see. However here is a puzzle as to why the sky does not appear violet, the color with the shortest visible wavelength and a rainbow shows that there remains a significant amount of visible light colored indigo and violet beyond the blue. It may not be a coincidence that our vision is adjusted to see the sky as a pure hue. We have evolved to fit in with our environment; and the ability to separate natural colors most clearly is probably a survival advantage.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    Or maybe I should say $600 million – his non-PED salary.

                    Again, I have not said he’s smart. I have said it’s debatable. I know subtlety is lost with this crowd, but I’m just bringing up the obvious incentives for using.

                  • Blake

                    No I understand your points just fine……

                    • new guy

                      Ted- I think everyone understands the incentive to taking PERFROMING ENHANCING drugs… they enhance your performance. All, Blake is saying is given A-rods history (being the caliber of player he was, denying, then admitting to using) it would be very unintelligent to continue to take them. Despite whatver boost he would get, it would just further tarnish his name in probably an irreparable way. I think we can all agree on that.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      new guy,

                      No, there has been a long-running debate on here about whether PEDs enhance performance. Most of the exact commenters bashing A-Rod on here have argued that PEDs don’t necessarily increase performance and PED allegations should not be a consideration for HOF voting.

                      I understand Blake’s point, and I am saying that there are other factors to consider. One big one is how good or bad A-Rod would be without taking PEDs. Another is how much the reputation for being a clean player is worth compared to the reputation for being a great player (financially as well as to his ego and general sense of well-being… he might not care what the media thinks, and just want more than anything to break Bonds’ record… which is also tainted).

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      The real debate is how PED’s enhance performance.

          • John M

            I agree. I’m sure there is no connection about Cashman’s comment about AROD possibly missing the entire season. However, considering you have Rivera and (possibly) Pettitte retiring this year, the Yanks don’t need this kinda PR floating around.
            I can’t see how the greatest sports franchise in the world is going to let this slide (twice!) without some legal action if this blows up. They are paying this guy bonuses related to breaking records. Can you make the argument that the bonuses can’t be paid because he cheated? Man, that would be awesome if they could void out his contract (or a big chunk of it). Unfortunately, that’s a huge legal battle and I don’t think it’s an option for the Yanks. Boooo!

            • Guillermo

              If story is true and Arod was cheating again the Yankees need to fight to void his contract. I think they should stop paying him and force Arod, union and MLB to seek legal action. The Yankees based this absurd contract partly on Arod chasing to become the real HR King.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          The “if it’s true” is a pretty big part of this, though. The New Times is a decent little rag in the vein of the Village Voice and other smaller sort-of-indie-ish publications that combine the arts with attempts at investigative journalism.

          I’m not quick to dismiss this…..at all. I’m also not jumping to conclusions yet.

          If he was still using in 2009, yes, it’d be pretty fucking dumb, and that is an understatement. There’s a mindset involved with some of these guys that escapes me.

          • blake

            of course. Before this at least Arod had his post 2003 play to stand by if you believed he really stopped then….and he won two MVP’s after 2003. If this turns out to be true then he has nothing…..everything in his career is then in question.

            and with regards to the monetary incentives…..please…..Forbes estimates Alex’s net worth at like 300 million….it’s not like he needs those homer bonuses at the risk of ruining the rest of what was left of his image and legacy.

            • Ted Nelson

              Suddenly playing much worse after 2003 could have both ruined his legacy and cost him like $300 million.

              • Blake

                I said if he was still using after 2009 then he was dumb….not after 2003. 2009 was when his name got leaked and he proclaimed that he was clean after 2003…..if he used after that and lied about it then that’s pretty dumb to me but again….think what you wish

                • Ted Nelson

                  LOL. I will continue to think it’s better to discuss both sides of things than jump to a conclusion. Thanks for your permission to think rationally.

                  Of course, you seem to be implying that I disagree. I have never said that, and I have actually told you I am not saying that. Yet you keep ignoring what I say to just assume what you want to.

                  • Blake

                    If you don’t disagree then why have we both wasted like 20 minutes discussing it? It’s pretty trivial

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                      Because he just likes to argue just for the sake if arguing, even over minutia.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Let’s see. I tried to examine your opinion by saying there’s a lot of factors to consider. You got all defensive and said questioning your opinion was a reach because of one factor. I then explained again that there are countervailing factors. I asked you to quantify it if you thought one side so obviously outweighed the other. You declined and stated with the “Because I say so!” argument.

                      So, no Andy, I was not arguing nor was I enjoying it.

                    • thenamestsam

                      “So no Andy, I was not arguing.”

                      Literally the funniest comment I’ve ever seen posted on this website. I truly laughed out loud at my desk. Ted, you are the best. Don’t ever change.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      Clarifying a point =/= arguing. Maybe that’s funny, but I don’t really see it.

            • Jim Is Bored

              I value a lot of what you add here, but please, every time I read an incorrectly used ellipsis, it invokes memories of stuart.

    • dalelama

      My, my the Dale’s ability to recognize scumbags like Aroid and call them to task despite the flak hurled by their enablers and sycophants is amazing.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Why don’t you ever comment on any other articles? You only show up in the ARod ones. He’s your white whale.

        • dalelama

          I am omnipresent. I just find it amazing that so many otherwise intelligent Yankee fans cover for this chokemaster piece of fecal matter as his sucks the lifeblood out of our beloved franchise via a contract he got under false pretenses.

          • WhittakerWalt

            What a drama queen you are.

  • Hall and Nokes

    Good grief. I can’t be the only one wondering what this means for The Contract.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Probably nothing.

      • Hall and Nokes

        Then there are no winners.

      • TCMiller30

        That’s kind of a bummer. I love A-rod, but if it was written in somewhere that the remaining years would be void if he were to fail another test, that would probably be good for the Yankees.

        • Havok9120

          It hadn’t come out he’d ever failed a test when that thing was drawn up.

      • CP

        If he gets suspended, the Yankees don’t have to pay him during that time, right?

    • Across The Pond

      Maybe that’s why management is so confident they can get under 189 :D

  • Usty

    Well, on the bright side, the last time A-Rod had a PED story and hip surgery the Yankees won the WS. (Hoping…)

    • jsbrendog

      i like the way you think, sir.

  • trr

    God, I wish we could void that contract, but as Mike said, probably not…

    • ken

      never mind voiding the contract. alex ,retire NOW. STOP EMBARRASSING yourself,yankees and mlb. you’re not getting into the hall of fame. not breaking bonds record. retire today.

      • trr

        never happen, ken.
        Money is his Jesus.

        • Cool Lester Smooth (Formerly YanksFanInBeantown)

          Not at all. He cares about being the best of all time far more than he does money.

          • Joel

            Keep telling yourself that.

  • Murderers’ Row Boat

    If the Yankees don’t void his contract, they are publicly endorsing the use of HGH.

    • nyyankfan_7

      Or just legally not allowed to do so……….

      • Murderers’ Row Boat

        Void it, take the moral high road and if the union throws a fit and sues so be it. Twice this man has been directly connected to steroids and HGH. We’ve now reached the “shame on me” part of the the old adage.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          That’s easy to say when you aren’t the one who would get sued.

          • Murderers’ Row Boat

            Sometimes the right thing to do isn’t the easiest.

            • Betty Lizard

              Well, I look at the “fuck it, sue me” strategy as not “the right thing to do” and also as “easy,” in an irresponsible, chickenshit way.

              • jsbrendog

                +1 lawyers. blech (except kabak of course)

            • Robinson Tilapia

              I don’t think you’re quite understanding what they are saying.

              I have no clue if they could void it…..if this is true. I’d sure fucking hope so.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      They probably have no grounds to void his contract. I doubt there’s an anti-PED clause in his (or anyone’s) contract.

      • Murderers’ Row Boat

        I’m sure there’s no specific language in his contract since no agent’s lawyer in the world would allow that, but this is essentially fraud. When they Yankees signed him to the contract, they assumed he was upfront with all his medical history and he was obviously not.

        And to be honest, I don’t really care about the money. I care about the image this projects about the Yankees. The Yankees are the team that “Does it the right way”, and now the highest paid player on the team is a cheat and a liar. It’s an affront to guys like Donnie Baseball.

        • Captain

          does that “Does it the right way” part also include the late 90’s with multiple PED users on the roster?

          or the 50’s and 60’s with drunks and womanizers?

          • Murderers’ Row Boat

            Ah the old “Well no one did anything back then so why should we do anything now?” excuse.

            Also, being drunks and womanizers doesn’t help you hit more homeruns.

            • Captain

              no its the “no one did anything back then, so there’s no legal ground to do anything now” excuse.

              kind of like the “I’m sure there’s no specific language in his contract since no agent’s lawyer in the world would allow that, but this is essentially fraud.” excuse. very similar.

            • Johnny O

              Being drunks and womanizers make you a bad person. PED’s make you a good baseball player. Which is worse?

              • Mike HC

                I don’t know. Kate Hudson was a known PEW (Performance Enhancing Women) when dating ARod. That guy would do anything to hit more homers.

            • Troll Hunter

              According to Bull Durham the womanizing might have actually decreased the home run totals.

              • http://www.thewallbreakers.com Scully

                The Natural also proves this point.

          • Ted Nelson

            I guess it includes giving back all the champioships they won with players on PEDs. And there were forms of PEDs going back a while.

        • Ted Nelson

          First of all, this is a rumor at this point. I could write an article that ARod is a martian, but that doesn’t mean he’s actually connected to extraterrestrials.

          You don’t care about the money, but the Yankees do.

          You probably do care if they win games, though, and being known for voiding contracts anytime someone is alledged of wrong doing (while recovering from surgery, no less) is probably not going to play well with free agents. Vets, amateurs… they might choose against the Yankees. If most guys are using PEDs, this could be an especially huge problem.

          • Murderers’ Row Boat

            Have you read the article? Records link the clinic to a dozens of players, college coaches, and athletes in other sports. The first time this happened with A-Rod we all brushed it aside because it happened before his time with the Yankees. Well now it happened again, while with the Yankees. Either deal with it or go stick your head in the sand like sportswriters did for 15 years. See which fixes the game first.

            • Ted Nelson

              Believing that everything you read in the media is true will “fix the game!”

              It’s not at all a matter of whether I believe it. It’s a matter of whether the right thing to do is void your employees’ contract every time a rumor arises painting them negative.

          • ChrisS

            This isn’t rumor and innuendo since Arod himself admitted he has used PEDs in the past, his name is all over clinical forms, and his cousin (his admitted mule) is named all over everything as well. It’s fairly well-grounded in fact. It isn’t at all analogous to Arod being an alien, which has zero basis for truth.

            • Jim Is Bored

              The most recent news is still rumor.

              • ChrisS

                I don’t think you understand what a “rumor” is.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  Rumor:A currently circulating story or report of uncertain or doubtful truth

                  This story has nothing resembling proof that A-Rod used PED’s post 2008. His use in 2003 is irrelevant to this discussion.

                  But thanks for your condescension, prick.

                • Ted Nelson

                  No, this is definitely a rumor.

                  There is a ton of evidence against Bonds, Clemens, and some of the others as well, so I don’t see much distinction. Those guys weren’t convicted in a criminal court, but I don’t remember A-Rod being either.

                  • Ted Nelson

                    *this being the latest.

                  • dalelama

                    Aroid admitted his usage, no need to prove it in court.

                    • Ted Nelson

                      So, we should reward the ones who probably lied about it and punish the ones who come clean?

                    • Evan3457

                      In 2003, not 2009-12. In 2009-12, he’s denying it.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          “I care about the image this projects about the Yankees. The Yankees are the team that “Does it the right way”, and now the highest paid player on the team is a cheat and a liar. It’s an affront to guys like Donnie Baseball.”

          I’m sure every sports franchise has a version of that. Let’s not put the Yankees on that much higher of a pedestal than they already are.

          The higher the pedestal, the harder the fall, and this franchise has had plenty of knockdown moments already.

        • Nice Guy Eddie

          “essentially fraud”..”the image of the Yankees”..”do it the right way”..”an affront to donnie baseball!!!”

          -Thanks for that

          George must be rolling in his grave right now.

          • Evan3457

            Which George would that be? The George that got suspended a 2nd time for paying a lowlife to dig dirt on his highest paid player to try to void a contract he signed with that player?

      • Blake

        It would likely be very difficult to actually get his contract voided if not impossible

      • Ben G

        I think there is always a gray area in a contract that outlines “conduct detrimental to the players health” or something to that effect. I remmeber reading about it a few years back when players were testing positiive. Anyway, though it wouldn’t be easy legally (because of the strength of the players union), I do recall that the team would have grounds to use those clauses to terminate the deal of a player who tested positive for PEDs.

        • Cool Lester Smooth (Formerly YanksFanInBeantown)

          Using HGH isn’t detrimental to his health at all. If anything, it’s beneficial.

      • Preston

        It is different this time, last time the contract wasn’t voidable because he wasn’t breaking MLB rules. It may not be specifically in the contract, but most contracts are voidable for cause (Obviously baseball is slightly different). Doubt it though.

      • ken

        union won’t allow the contract to be voided. the punishment is suspension,they will say.

  • Anthony

    Am I seriously reading that Alex was taking PEDS LAST SEASON? Unbelievable. I don’t hate the guy but if so things are just getting way out of hand.

  • hogsmog

    Maaaaan. PEDs took Melky-> MVP caliber, and all we got were these lousy broken hips.

    SO UNFAIR.

    • Betty Lizard

      I laughed.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Bravo. End of thread right here.

    • Jim Is Bored

      This is my favorite comment in the thread.

    • jsbrendog

      piling on praise!!!!!

  • Laaz

    Not surprising if true. Hes shown questionable judgement many times in his career.

  • Jim(a)

    Mike(or someone) can you further explain this? Was arod using steroids this past season and in 2009? Are Gio and Cruz going to be suspended? Thanks

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I highly doubt they’re going to be suspended without a failed test.

      • Murderers’ Row Boat

        John Heyman just reported that the league doesn’t need a positive test to suspend.

        • Jim Is Bored

          Boy, I can’t imagine the uproar the MLBPA would have if someone got suspended for HGH use without a failed test.

          • Preston

            They haven’t had a test for HGH, proof of ordering it is the only way they can catch it. I think the problem here is that the records are leaked from an employee. If they had been seized by somebody at the lab, then they could be authenticated and admitted as evidence. Now there is all kinds of problems with proving they are real documents. So a suspension would be hard to sustain if they sued and went to court.

            • Jim Is Bored

              Exactly this, really.

              I’m not saying they can’t and won’t suspend, but the legal battle would be adventurous.

        • Captain

          i read Jordan Schafer was suspended for an HGH accusation in 2008 without a failed test but he was still in the minors so I don’t think the MLBPA had a say in that. I feel they would if a major leaguer was suspended.

        • ChrisS

          He can serve the suspension while on the DL, too. AFAIK.

  • Scout

    The question seems to be whether this evidence can be used as the basis to suspend any of the players. I would guess not, since none (other than Melky) actually failed a drug test. If anyone is up to date on the rules of the current testing regime, I would like to know more.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    Can we just cut ties with this guy already? Fuck.

    • MannyGeee

      nope. HE will need to fail 3 drug tests THIS WEEK for that to happen… literally.

    • Evan3457

      No.

  • Blake

    @JeffPassan: Source: MLB did not have much of the information on Anthony Bosch’s alleged PED distribution. Could eventually hand out 50-game suspensions.

    • Steve

      Haven’t read down the thread very far so maybe it has been addressed, but a 50 game suspension wouldn’t matter in this case. You can serve suspensions on the DL and ARod is (probably) going to miss more than 50 games anyway

  • Chris

    can’t they try to void the contract for breach of the integrity clause? i believe most sports contracts have an integrity clause (obviously MLBPA will fight it tooth and nail but could be worth the attempt – hard feelings notwithstanding).

    • Blake

      They could try but I highly doubt they’d be successful….

    • Mike HC

      If the Yankees do try to void the contract, or any other team, I’m sure the player will try to prove that the teams and owners know what is going on, and I doubt the teams and owners want to get involved in that. Better to just keep quiet and pay the guy if you are the Yankees, rather than blow the whole lid off MLB proving the teams are just as complicit in PED use as the players are.

    • Ted Nelson

      There is obviously some benefit to voiding that huge deal. Along with the two reasons above, this is also a rumor at this point. So probably premature to consider. Another reason not to is the negative PR with future FAs of being the first and maybe only team to void a contract.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        Agree Ted, this is not an easy decision. If, however, MLB takes action (suspending the player) and ensures teams they will stand behind them in whatever action they deem appropriate, it will show all players that MLB is serious about cracking down on PED usage. In that case, with an even playing field, it might be appropriate for the Yankees to try to void the contract or do something similar.

        I can’t honestly see MLB taking that kind of action though. They’ll continue doing what they’ve done in the past and say they’re doing all they can, in my opnion. (Unless I see otherwise, of course.)

        • MannyGeee

          While I agree, I am in the pool that thinks the league is just going through the motions on the PED stuff.

          They are not serious about getting “the stain” off of them, just getting the Gov, Media, and the Moral Majority off their ass.

      • Blake

        PED penalties are collectively bargained in the CBA….no real grounds to void the deal most likely.

    • MannyGeee

      He may need to murder someone to invoke that clause, and then maybe not.

  • Mike HC

    I’m just not surprised by any of this stuff. PED use is rampant across the board in all sports, including basketball which seems to never get hit with these scandals.

  • Ba Ba Booey

    I’m not one to make grammar corrections, well maybe I am…

    “but I’m sure we’re going to here an awful lot more about this. This is only the start.”

    Hear an awful, not here.

    • your mom

      Mike has grammatical errors here and there but you know what he meant. I highly doubt there is an editor for this site.

      • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

        I’ve offered on several occasions…

  • Stevis

    if its true, he can go straight to hell.
    Maybe the Yankees can void his contact

    • Ted Nelson

      Really?

      • Slappy McWaterbug

        People are willing to hand out eternal damnation for just about anything these days.

    • Evan3457

      No, actually, they almost certainly can’t void the contract.

  • Paco Dooley

    Hang on, I swear it is January 29th, not April 1st. Why don’t I see this story anywhere else? I must be looking in the wrong place. What an absolute mess.

    Like most people i suppose, my opinion of A-Rod will take a massive nosedive if this is true (I could partly accept his need to succeed in Texas and hence use PEDs, but to continue to do so, and to have no shame that his massive contract came through cheating, puts him into Lance Armstrong territory for me).

  • MartinRanger

    The last few years are suggeting that Alex is just not that bright.

    At this point I really don’t care. I’d explore voiding the contract but I doubt there’s even a smidgeon of a case to be made.

    The sad part is that Alex probably had the skills to be an all-time great (if not the all-time HR leader) without steroids/hgh/other drugs. He was an ironman the first part of his career and had elite power, contact, and plate approach skills with some speed. At some point you honestly have to wonder if his steroid use contributed to his chronic injury woes.

    It’s really meaningless now. Alex has the contract, he has the stats, he’s throughly in decline. Though if A-Rod gets handed a 50-game suspension we’re in even worse shape this season.

    At least this stuff doesn’t seem to have been going on in the Yankee clubhouse. Alex was doing his own law-breaking.

    • Mike HC

      Why would you assume Alex wasn’t taking anything in the beginning of his career as well?

      • MartinRanger

        It’s possible he was. But it’s hard to look at his early career and not conclude the amazing skills he had were natural athletic gifts. If I had to guess, he was probably clean as a Mariner. Texas seems to be where all of this started, with Palmeiro and Juan Gonzalez and the rest of that bunch.

        I’d like to believe he wasn’t cheating during his 2004-2006 run with the Yankees, but there’s no reason to believe that beyond wishful thinking.

        • Mike HC

          Fair enough. I assume he was cheating his entire career. His natural talents are definitely off the charts. Add in PED use and you get an otherworldly player for his entire career.

        • CS Yankee

          He likely started in HS.

          It is extremely doubtful he started once he reached the show.

          • Preston

            I don’t know that he “likely” started in high-school. It is possible. And considering how strong a link their is to UM in this scandal it’s a distinct possibility that he started when he started working out at the University before deciding to go pro. It’s also possible that he started when he went to Texas a team that was highly connected to steroids, who knows.

            • Steve

              When the first story came out the SI reporter said he started in High School. That’s certainly not proof of anything but it’s certainly not a new accusation.

    • TCMiller30

      Or did chronic steroid use prevent his injuries from happening earlier?

      Or did the steroids have nothing to do with his injury woes?

      • MartinRanger

        Again. Could be either way. But I tend not to believe a player was taking steroids his entire career start to finish. It seems like something you would do at certain points. Plus continuous use puts you at increased risk of a failed test. And is really really awful for your body.

      • ChrisS

        Strength training and high-level athletic conditioning takes a helluva toll on a body. Add in various drug cocktails and pushing a human body to the very limits of training isn’t exactly a recipe for self-preservation.

  • Vern Sneaker

    He’s become such a bad joke. Thanks for the ’09 playoffs, A-Rod (PEDs or not), and ‘bye (I hope).

  • MartinRanger

    I’ll admit I gave A-Rod the benefit of the doubt for a long time, especially during his time as a Yankee.

    Can’t wait for the cries that the Yankees should lose their 2009 championship or something like that. Especially when it’s obvious that PED use has continued past the so-called ‘steroid era’.

  • high heat

    Apparently A-Rod’s still “young and stupid”.

    • Mike HC

      loosey goosey

    • your mom

      Actually he’s pretty smart, because if he’s guilty or not he still got PAID and there ain’t shit anyone can do about it now.

      • Nice Guy Eddie

        And if it’s true he will never get paid for anything baseball-related once his career is over. That’s an opportunity cost of millions upon millions of dollars.

  • C to the P

    Isn’t Cacique a brand of cheese? Maybe ARod was just trying to buy some queso fresco

    • Esteban

      And a brand of rum!

  • Brian in MA (formerly NH)

    Most people have really stopped caring about PEDs and are burned out on it. Most average people i know gave a collective “meh” to the HOF votes.

    That being said, if MLB is truly concerned about cleaning up the sport, then they have to do something. Because the guys with designer drugs will continue to put out new things that will be undetectable for a few years until someone figures out how to test for them. So we’ll have guys that don’t fail tests for years, only to find out in investigations 4-5 years down the road, they were using PEDs. If you know you can get away with it and not fail any tests for a few years to secure a nice contract or get playing time, you’re going to do it. As Lance Armstrong (among others) has shown us, the absence of failed tests no longer guarantees the absence of PED use.

  • Chris

    This is the best evidence that steroids and HGH are not miracle drugs. If they could turn A-Rod into the player he was with Texas, I’d volunteer clean urine samples for his tests.

    • Slu

      This is a great point. I don’t (and never did) care about PEDs anyway, but A-Rod needs better ones if this is true.

  • Mike HC

    Let us just be thankful none of this nonsense has reached Jeter, and I don’t ever expect it to. If that day does come though, I don’t think I could go on, ha.

  • Graham Hunter

    isn’t there any way we can use this to get out of the awful a-rod contract?

    • Evan3457

      Almost certainly: no.

  • MartinRanger

    Boy it is going to be interesting when Alex’s HOF candidacy rolls around.

    Given that I would, personally, put Bonds and Clemens (and Manny) in there, even as much distaste as I have for A-Rod at the moment (hell, for the last few years), it would be hard for me to say no to him.

  • beth

    Is he really that dumb? Why would he use hgh when he knows he’s been suspected of this. Before
    Thats just insane. But, i know some form of steroids are used with certain types of injuries. A-Rod Lord knows has been on the dl more times than i can remember. But with this big paper trail looks real bad.

    • Buffalo Bill

      Why would it be dumb for him to use HGH for the past three years? The league had no way to test him for it. Essentially, the league was saying to the players, “Don’t use this potentially performance-enhancing drug. But we have to trust you that you won’t, because we have no way to prove if you do use it unless we see you getting the injection.” The only stupid thing he’s done here is to work with a supplier who was stupid enough to use names in his ledger rather than code numbers or aliases.

      And while I am on my little soap-box, I would really like MLB to present some legitimate, unaffiliated scientific proof that HGH actually “enhances performance.” There is debate that the drug even helps in healing. And my mistake – it isn’t a “drug”, becuase your own body produces it. What’s next – we gonna suspend players for eating steaks, too, because it gives them protein to help in muscle growth?

      What a bunch of bullshit.

      • ChrisS

        Eating steak isn’t a felony.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Eating it well done should be.

          • Nigel Incubator-Jones

            + 120 to 125 degrees

          • JB in Manhattan

            Just snorted coffee. You owe me a new keyboard.

        • Buffalo Bill

          Neither is taking Human Growth Hormone.

  • RobA

    kinda surprising they donht have code names for famous players and the substances involved.

    Unbeliebly dumb actually

    • Captain

      apparently Nelson Cruz’s alias was written right next to his name in a log. I don’t think thats the correct way to use an alias.

      • MannyGeee

        this is goddam hilarious.

    • thenamestsam

      Honestly this is the most incredible part of the story to me. A-Rod, a guy who has been busted for steroids before, doesn’t have the common sense to tell them not to write his freaking name down in the little book they keep? This guy makes $30M a year and he can’t find a reliable errand boy to be the guy who picks up the HGH and puts down his own damn name. I mean these guys really aren’t the sharpest knives in the drawer.

      • ChrisS

        He had a reliable errand boy. His cousin.

        He’s not going to take any schmoe off the street who could detail everything to whomever. He had someone he trusted.

        • Havok9120

          That still used his name. That’s more what these guys are saying. The whole point of having a cutout is so that the end client is not in any way involved in the actual procurement of the product, which is obviously a memo somebody missed if this is true.

          • thenamestsam

            Right. Your reliable errand boy isn’t really getting the job done if he’s telling the guy handing him the drugs:

            “Oh yeah, these are for A-Rod. Make sure you write that down right there in your little notebook, and maybe put it in a file on your computer too. Get the spelling right. That’s Rodriguez, R-O-D-R-I-G-U-E-Z, and make sure you make a note that it’s the baseball Alex Rodriguez, not just some random schmoe named Alex Rodriguez. You want a signed picture of you with A-Rod for your walls? Lets put that right up.”

  • http://rivaveblues.com doug

    Looks like Torre named him right “A-Fraud”. Stories like this make it hard to stand up for and admire any players. I hope I never find out that Jeter or Mo are doing of this.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    This thread is going crazy, so I apologize if this has been asked…

    If he does get a 50 game suspension, that’s after he comes off the DL, right?

    • Chris

      Can they suspend him for this report? Wouldn’t they need a positive test for that?

    • the Other Steve S.

      Yeah, thats probably why Cashman said he might miss the whole year the other day.

      • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

        Had this exact thought. He and others were probably called to ask to comment for the article before it was published…

    • JLC 776

      I think he’d have to test positive first, but I do believe you’re correct in that any punishments are post-DL.

      • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

        as mentioned above, Joel Sherman has reported that MLB can suspend players without a positive test.

        • JLC 776

          Heyman – but, yeah, just saw that after I posted. That would be one heck of an s-storm!

          But if the MLB didn’t use that clause with the whole Braun thing, I can’t imagine they would for this either.

      • Gonzo

        Didn’t Edinson Volquez serve his suspension while recovering from TJS? That was before this CBA though, so I have no clue what the deal is. Just curious.

        • Steve

          Yes. That’s why I said earlier in the thread that I’m pretty sure it’s while you’re on the DL.

  • CountryClub

    I tend to agree with the people that say they’ll never be allowed to void his contract. If that’s the case, they should just release him. This has nothing to do with the moral high ground. He’s just not worth the aggravation at this point. He may never be a league avg player again. Or he may be one, or slightly better, for a yr or two more.

    Plus, if they release him they won’t have to worry about those stupid HR bonuses.

  • Jim Cavanaugh

    I have def. had enough of A-Rod at this point, but anyone who would ever make a ridiculous claim like “take away the ’09 championship” would have to look at many other teams throughout history, like the 2 Red Sox championships in recent history with Manny Ramirez & David Ortiz as the featured sluggers in their line ups.

    • JLC 776

      This is probably one of the points that will drive me crazy given that I live in Philadelphia. Already people at work are saying the “We should be given the ’09 ring” crap. Ignoring the legions of players from the same city that have popped positive in the years since – several that played on the ’09 team…

      I just don’t care anymore. Let all of them dope as much as they want. Just make it transparent.

      • ChrisS

        That will never happen. The various sporting leagues will never allow it because it opens the doors for massive class-action lawsuits down the road.

        Frankly, the rules may seem pointless and arbitrary, but so is 60’6″ or the mound height or plate dimensions. Teams are still expected to comply to them.

  • Jim Is Bored

    I know I’m probably in the minority, but this merits a big “I don’t care at all” from me.

    • jjyank

      I’m with you.

    • MannyGeee

      butbutbut…. Teh Contractz!!!! VOID ALL THE CONTRACTZ!!!!!!!!!

  • CS Yankee

    PEDS have tainted the sport big time, but lets not pretend that we should be surprised that a) this is still ongoing, b) these guys are role models, c) the penalities don’t vary by race and reputation/image.

    a) Cheating is subjective and the money states to gain any advantage one can (legal or not). A kid out of the D.R. that hits even in the minors will far surpass anything else in his home land. So age, techniques, boosters and ‘roids all are part of game.

    b) Take any ‘roider (which might have exceeded 80% of the players), and weigh what “hell” a guy like Bonds went through after being “caught”. He is embarrassed and could be kept out of the HoF (unlikely) but it likely earned him another 100M$ throughout his career. Heck, Armstrong ruined lives and still is jail-free 100+M$ guy with a voice?

    c) I am surprised nobody is blaming Braun for what he did in his MVP year, while Melky kept the Giants in the race early on and was asked not to return. This is an amazing story regardless of which side of the fence you’re on. Just this weekend MLB channel stated that Melky may not be able to hold onto the “7th” best LFer in the game since he is off the sauce, while Braun is ranked “1st” with no mention that his numbers are bogus…and who really believes that either is clean?

    Neither side is serious about removing dope from the game, just going through the motions.

    • Captain

      the Braun thing has always bugged me. his positive test just vanished from everyone’s mind on a technicality

      • CS Yankee

        To me (a white fiscal conservative), I have to think some of it is raced-based…

        Braun, good lawyer and end-of-season report helped his cause. However, MSM has him as a great athlete and ballplayer. His FO never said shit about him either way.

        Melky, his manager went public, the FO stated early on how he hurt them and he wasn’t coming back.

        Something stinks in Denmark (MLB and society).

      • Jim Is Bored

        Pretty simple reason: New York relevance vs Milwaukee relevance.

        But yeah, it’s frustrating.

    • Brian

      All MLB can do is implement stronger testing and catch the players that are using. The players hold all the cards here if they truly want a clean and fair playing field then they need to tell MLB that the punishments need to be esclated. Right now a player can get caught, appeal that decision, sit out 50 games and still get a raise based on their performance. The downside to getting caught isn’t nearly as bad as we would think it is. You get embarrased for a bit but you end up with a brand spanking new contract or a MVP Award to help you get a new contract.

    • MannyGeee

      “Neither side is serious about removing dope from the game, just going through the motions.”

      This. 10,000 times this. Steroids are good for the game until they are not. The players want the contracts that may or may not be earned while juicing, and the teams want super sluggers without knowing how the sausage is made.

  • JLC 776

    Am I the only one who’s just sick and tired of a new PED story every week? I get it, professional sports, probably all of them, are heavily tainted. I should probably care more, but I’ve become worn out by the whole thing. I just want to turn a blind eye because I enjoy competition, especially between athletes of the highest caliber, but I have no intent of putting any of them on a pedestal, I don’t trust nor care about records anymore, and I intend to teach my kids to not look up to any of them as personal heroes.

    Sorry for the whiney, complaining post, but I just don’t care anymore. I stopped being surprised by any of this years ago. Let all of them do whatever they want.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    As I wrote above, the New Times isn’t a publication I would immediately dismiss. I’d compare them to the Village Voice only, obviously, not in New York City and, therefore, not as cutting edge. I’ve spent a lot of years reading good example of investigative journalism on there. No one should take this as face value, but I wrote as recently as yesterday on here that I’d be very surprised it Alex was using PEDs, both since becoming a Yankee and since the admission, so my eyebrow is slightly raised here.

    I will actually disagree with my buddy Jim is Bored on here. If this turns out to be true, I’m never defending Alex again and think you couldn’t get him off this team quickly enough.

    We shall see. Is it too early to drink….on the job?

    • Jim Is Bored

      Heh. I don’t begrudge you that opinion at all. I’m just so tired of it all.

      Although if you could get him and that contract off the team, I’m all for it. For 189…189…189… reasons, more than anything else.

    • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

      It’s 5pm (or noon…) somewhere.

      Hey – I assume the 50 game suspensions are without pay, is that right? If so, if Alex gets suspended, then does that reduce the payroll calculus for lux tax purposes??

      • http://fendersonandhampton.com Cuso

        no

        • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

          That’s sort of sucky. The team gets punished twice – once by losing the player, and a second time for still getting docked his salary.

          • Preston

            It’s not an issue for any other team than us and the Dodgers so they just don’t care.

    • steves

      Well based on our conversation yesterday I am certainly surprised how quickly this has potentially unfolded. If this turns out to void the insurance money due to the Yanks in any way it will get alot more ugly between Alex and the Yanks than I ever anticipated. My premise yesterday was tha Alex would do what he could to keep this kind of stuff away from scrutiny but it seems to be a different ballgame now.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Yeah. I remembered that exchange pretty quickly. Some coincidence there.

  • Hoss

    How about this “Amnesty” plan:

    Players being suspended for current PED use are subject to being released by their team and, while their contracts would still have to be paid, the amount would not be counted towards the “luxury tax cap.” This would serve as a form of “amnesty” to teams duped into offering ridiculous contracts by players whose performance was manufactured.

    Also, any team that claims an “amnesty” player would be required to pay 1/2 of the contract amount to the team that released him (not the major league minimum) to employ his services.

    • Jim Is Bored

      That would almost be an encouragement to teams to hire PED players.

    • CS Yankee

      If this was the case, how much would the BoSox pay Lackey to take the juice?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I don’t think MLB will consider a rule seemingly written only to figure out how to get rid of Alex Rodriguez and give the Yankees more spending room under the luxury cap.

      • Ralph Melish

        What if we say pretty please?

    • MannyGeee

      Worth mentioning, A-Rod needs to actually GET SUSPENDED first. We are literally working off some news article, and as we remember from the Mitchell Report, this may very well end up being another footnote in the history of PEDs and not an actionable item.

      In addition, if players get pinged from this report, doesn’t the League have to punish players from the aforementioned Mitchell Report (Ortiz) and does this set the precedent for shadyness going forward? E.G.: Someone blackmails Mike Trout in 2015 and says give me a million to keep your name out of the upcoming PED Report.

      Just spitballing now, but if I thought of it, someone else definitely would.

  • jjyank

    Holy crap. This was not up when I left for work, and now there are 95+ comments. This should be a blast to read through.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Most of it is pretty mild.

      • jjyank

        Yeah, I just finished. I was surprised actually. Usually when 100 comments pop up in the time it takes me to commute (~45 minutes), things get ugly. Not really the case though. Yay?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          The night is still young. The “off with my head” crowd hasn’t shown up yet. The seismic effect of my disagreeing with one of “my boys/clowns” hasn’t been felt yet. No one has argued the merits of the word “likely” as of yet either.

          It’s 10:40 EST. I’m sure we’ll be hitting our heads against the wall by 11:15.

          • jjyank

            Heh, true, we’re missing a few key players here to reach that point.

            I don’t have an opinion on this really. When he fails a test, I will. I’m not happy about the rumor, but I’m not ready to send him straight to hell, as one commenter so eloquently posited.

            I imagine, as Havok mentioned back at HQ, this will snowball throughout the day.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Whoops, not “off with my head.” I meant “off with his head.”

              Of course this will snowball.

              My thoughts continue to be a slightly mellower version of what RetroRob said somewhere. I obviously reserve judgement, but the gut isn’t telling me anything I like at the moment.

          • Captain

            yup the ugly ones are starting, check out 42isNotMortal down below.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Oh yeah. We’ve gone off the deep end now. Two for one drink specials at the bar and GG Allin’s Greatest Hits on the jukebox.

            • jjyank

              And R-Tils was only off by 6 minutes. Impressive.

          • Gonzo

            Are you talking about me?

      • Jim Is Bored

        I hope whoever reads this comment checks timestamps.

        Because otherwise, some new guy might think the current state of this thread is mild…

  • Jim Cavanaugh

    Nelson Cruz and Gio i find interesting news. But A-Rod … seriously ? Give us a break & tell us something we don’t already know. Did Pete Rose bet on baseball as well ?

    • CS Yankee

      Yes, but he is still a victim.

  • Ted Nelson

    Love how the same people are both outraged that guys accused of PED use aren’t getting into the HOF, and that ARod was accused of using PEDs. Human nature is so funny.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Love how the same people who hate the comments for succumbing to “groupthink” are also making snarky remarks about people having differing opinions.

      • Havok9120

        Hypocrisy for everyone!

        Where’s my cake?

      • Ted Nelson

        Where did that happen? My comment was about the same individuals having mutually exclusive opinions. Nothing to do with whether their opinions differ from anyone else’s.

        Do you know what groupthink is? Not about someone having opinions on related subjects that are incoherent with each other. It’s when a group drowns out discenting opinions, often unintentionally. Almost everyone on here seems to agree ARod is dumb and dispicable. I try to bring up alternative viewpoints, and Blake wants to drown me out for daring to question his opinion. That is more consistent with groupthink than whatever you are ranting about now.

  • MB923

    Forgive me for asking such a dumb question, but does this mean A-Rod and all the others mentioned (Cruz, Gio) would have tested positive under the new system? If let’s say this was part of the drug testing last year.

    • Havok9120

      If they had, I’d think they’d have been suspended already. This is/may be what the probe turned up. No test.

      • MB923

        Just read that they do not have to test positive to be suspended. The one good side is if the suspensions started immediately this year, A-Rod’s suspension means nothing

      • MannyGeee

        This was Bud Selig’s plan all along. Break A-Rods hips so that he can serve his suspension while “recovering”. Conspiracy theories!

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

    First of all, I don’t care that much about PEDs because during that era, I believe so many people were doing it that the playing field was essentially level. I’m also in favor of all those deserving players getting into the HOF.

    Now that baseball has taken a firm stance outlawing PEDs with fairly strict suspensions for getting caught, IF Arod has continued to use them after he was humiliated and apologized for “making a mistake,” I think the Yankees should do everything in their power to try and void his contract if it’s at all possible.

    It’s one thing to get caught up in a culture where everyone is using and turning a blind eye to the situation but after getting caught, humiliated and apologizing, it’s a whole different animal to essentially give the finger to everyone and continue using.

    • Jim Is Bored

      I think this pretty accurately describes my view, too.

    • Ted Nelson

      I think the line that you are srawing is basically meaningles, subjective semantic. Most of the PED era guys publicly denied it too, and we know little about clubhouse culture or who is using now. The HoF argument revolved around whether PEDs even enhance performance, so thay logic leaves open everyone still using.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        I would retort but you’re just looking for an argument so whatever…

        Not trying to be a dick but that’s the way I feel

        • Ted Nelson

          You don’t even have to try. It just seems to come naturally to you.

          You basically responded to a comment I made just above. So, I thought that I’d weigh in.

          You start arguments with me all the time, then put on a little ol’ me? holier than thou, condescension act. I’m tired of it.

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

            Then don’t respond to my posts. Please. For the love of god.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    “Ken Davidoff says the Yankees are going to stay out of the way and let MLB do its thing. ”

    Damn. Here I was looking forward to Howie Spira, Jr.’s big moment.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      You missed an opportunity to post the meme

      If only George was still alive, he’d find a way of getting rid of Arod.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I tried, but a fat old guy rolled over from his grave onto the keyboard.

  • RetroRob

    Live and learn…unless you’re A-Rod.

    I’ll assume innoncent until proven guilty, even though I know better.

  • Brian

    It is a shame AROD’s name is still getting tossed around in these conversations and he has no one to blame but himself, but before we go and indict him or any of these players lets actually see what comes from this. If these guys have been tested and passed then they are for now clean. If they admit to this then we will know and can make the necessary judgements from there.

  • CashmanNinja

    I’m just sick of A-Rod always being involved in something. If it’s not steroids then it’s poker in seedy hangouts or it’s centaur portraits in his bedroom. He loves attention way too much — at an unhealthy level. I realize that New York is the media capital of the world, but you don’t hear anything bad about Mo or Jeter. They keep themselves out of the tabloids. Hell, even Andy got busted for PEDs and you don’t hear a peep of it anymore. I think A-Rod LIKES this attention. He enjoys people recognizing who he is and seeing his name all over the place, whether it’s positive or negative.

    I wish there were a way to void his contract. I’ve been an A-Rod supporter ever since we traded for him, though I was a bit bummed when he was busted for roids a few years ago. I just can’t keep defending him when he’s the one who puts himself in these positions in the first place. It’s not like someone has it out for him…he’s doing this to himself.

    There are a bunch of players that just seem to be shady, but I agree that Ryan Braun is being treated unfairly. And by that I mean that it seems like MLB swept everything under the rug and are treating him like Lord Voldemort…He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. It’s as if they want to forget about Braun and pretend he doesn’t exist when it comes to his whole failed test. And yes…I think Braun cheated. You don’t have SYNTHETIC testosterone in your piss for no reason. And just because it wasn’t shipped right away doesn’t mean it can just magically appear. He got off on a freaking technicality — still a cheater in my book.

    I think A-Rod will be gone this season and I hope the Steinbrenner family is happy at Hank for giving A-Rod that stupid contract when he did, good going. I wish we could void the contract, but there really is no way to do it, which is bull shit. If a normal person did something to jeopardize their job then they’d be let go ASAP, and that’s with them making a lot less money. Thanks, Boras.

    • 42isNotMortal

      Well, hopefully he has complications in his rehab, his hip never fully responds so Alex and the Yankees agree to a monstrous buy out.

      Essentially concluding their relationship with 3 beast regular seasons, 7 awful post seasons and a pleasant 2009 in which he performed, but was naturally still out shined as is the destiny for all d bags.

      The saddest part of this all is he only took steroids so his testes would make his miniature man-o-taur dick look bigger.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I said 11:15, right?

        • MannyGeee

          you’re good at this game.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      Ryan Braun obviously was guilty. His defense was entirely about the chain of custody, not about his test being invalid.

      Unless you’re psychotic enough to believe that the Courier placed synthetic testosterone into Braun’s sample, he’s as guilty as sin and got off on a BS technicality.

      • Jim Is Bored

        I’m not sure the technicality was BS. I have no doubt he used, but the process is in place for a reason, and I don’t want to set any precedents by ignoring it.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

        Due process is not a technicality. MLB has rules to follow and they didn’t.

        Braun’s lawyers had one job: win the appeal. The easiest way to do that was the challenge the chain of custody, not challenge the test.

        • Math

          This, this, and this.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

          In your opinion, did he or did he not use synthetic testosterone based upon the evidence as released to the media?

          • Robinson Tilapia

            That’s not the point he’s trying to make. The burden of proof is on who is presenting evidence someone is guilty. The system is built that way for good reason.

            • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

              My point is NOT that MLB should have overlooked the error in the chain of custody and suspended him anyway. I understand there has to be a consistent process but what I’m trying to say is him getting off because of an error in the process =/= him being innocent.

              He’s no difference than a criminal who walks because he wasn’t read his miranda rights.

              • Evan3457

                I don’t think MLB has the right to suspend him if he beats the rap, even on a technicality. I think MLBPA would definitely grieve it, and almost certainly win.

          • Jim Is Bored

            Being guilty in the court of public opinion is and should be much different than being guilty in a case tried in court.

            Whether or not I think he used synthetic testosterone is irrelevant, although yes, I think he did, and I would guess most people do.

          • MannyGeee

            Opinion doesn’t matter. facts are facts, rules are rules. The testers didn’t follow the rules and Braun got off clean (pun definitely intended)

        • CP

          MLB has rules to follow and they didn’t.

          My understanding is that MLB followed their rules, it was the sample collector that was the problem. And even then, it was not a clear cut violation of the rules.

        • Preston

          Due Process is a technicality, in the U.S. people don’t have many affirmative rights so we use procedural government encumbrance to try to give people rights. However, the point is taken that his defense chose to argue the point that would win, which means that the point of his actual guilt was left on the back burner. That doesn’t mean he was guilty or innocent it means they didn’t get to that point in the proceedings.

    • Yankee68

      I at the very least sit Arod all season. If the Yankees have to pay him pay him but don’t play him. At some point Arod goes crazy and wants out. It sets a clear statement that enough is enough. Give Adams a chance.

  • John C

    As that trooper said in Meet The Fockers:

    “Mercy, it just gets better and better!”

  • Slappy McWaterbug

    Well, the offseason just got a lot more exciting, albeit for a reason nobody expected or wanted.

  • Harris (1731 Days till Arod’s Contract Expires)

    If this isn’t reason to void his contract, I don’t know what is.

    • Havok9120

      No, apparently you don’t.

    • Paco Dooley

      They didn’t void it when it was clear that they signed him to a massive extension under dubious circumstances (i.e., admitting that he had been using PEDs soon after signing his new deal).

      This sounds like the Lance Armstrong admission – admit to something less than the truth and hope that you can get away with it. He came forward to say he used over a limited period of time, when in all likelihood he was still using.

      • MannyGeee

        He signed a contract in 2007 after having an INSANE season and having three well above average seasons overall. HE later admitted to “cheating” (as we have chosen to label it) well before the three seasons in which he actually earned the new contract.

        Your words are all kinda flawed.

    • Harris (1731 Days till Arod’s Contract Expires)

      A suspension would actually clear up payroll for the Yanks…

      • Evan3457

        In the season for the team, yes, but not for the salary cap/whatever.

  • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

    The only thing that doesn’t make sense to me from A-Rods point of view, is how fucking naive or arrogant is he? Forget whether he was still using after his 2008 confession, which this report says he did, why would he allow his name, name of anybody else associated with him to be written down anywhere? I mean this is only 5 years ago you nearly/may have had your legacy ruined by an investigative journalism report into you/PEDs and not only are you still using them you’re allowing your name to be written on order forms?!

    • Jim Is Bored

      I wish he’d used an alias so we could have Ron Mexico part II.

      I have no idea what A-Rod’s alias would have been, but the potential is off the charts.

    • MartinRanger

      Besides the point of whether Alex is a cheater.

      I feel like this, on top of his recent history, proves him to be a bit of an idiot. Like, I never thought he was a particularly cerebral individual, but on the spectrum of JaMarcus Russell to Miguel Batista, he’s closer to the former than the latter.

  • Adam

    Hey, I’m not sure if this has already been asked in the comments so I apologize in the event that it has been…

    If MLB does decide to suspend AROD for 50 games this season, even without having a failed test, how would the salary situation work out? Would a proportionate amount of his AAV be removed from luxury tax calculation for 2013? Also, does the team have any right to withhold ACTUAL salary throughout the suspension?

    Thanks!

    • RetroRob

      I’m not really sure if MLB can suspend him for PED usage without a failed drug test. The union would object. I suppose, however, they could suspend him for buying banned substances. They don’t have to prove usage.

      • Jim Is Bored

        But is it against the rules to have banned substances? What if someone had a drug that their wife and/or kids were using? I don’t think simply purchasing a banned substance can merit a suspension.

        Unless by banned substances you meant illegal substances, in which case, I think he might have bigger issues than the MLB.

        • Ralph Melish

          That’s why the DEA is investigating the case. These are banned substances, regardless of their sports applications.

          • Jim Is Bored

            I know, I wasn’t sure whether RetroRob was referring to illegal substances or substances referenced by the Labor Agreement.

        • RetroRob

          I’m not going to pretend to know what’s possible, but the Commissioner’s power is pretty strong. If it’s shown any of these players did purchase banned substances, in essense doing something illegal, then I can certainly see the Commissioner taking action. The union can then fight it.

          Overall, though, there has to be some proof. Right now it’s names in logs, which can become a cause of he said/she said. It’ll take more than that.

          • RetroRob

            *case* of, not cause.

          • MannyGeee

            “I’m not going to pretend to know what’s possible, but the Commissioner’s power is pretty strong.”

            Are we talking about the same commissioner? The MLBPA has Selig over a barrel.

      • Adam

        So lets assume, for the sake of discussion, that MLB can and will suspend him – what are the resulting salary implications? Particularly in terms of luxury tax calculation as well actual salary payments.

        • Cris Pengiucci

          Good question. If he’s suspended, is he paid? If he’s not paid, his salary should not count against luxury tax (which I supoose would require a recalculation of AAV). Anyone know for sure?

          This would certainly matter more next season.

          • Adam

            It would also likely increase the likelihood of acquiring a potential mid-season upgrade if that is the case.

            So if he is, indeed, slapped with a 50-game suspension, I assume that would begin when he returns after the all-star break? So then he’d be back with the club in late September at best?

  • mike

    I wonder if the injury keeps him out all season and he is suspended for first 50 games of 2014….that would be without salary (assume??) and could help with 189….

  • mustang

    Who is tired of the A-Rod show???

    Makes me like guys like Jeter and Mo even more.

    BTW Jeter new girlfriend is just ridiculous.

    http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....nnah-davis

    22 years old !!!!!
    That’s just not right…..lol
    ;)

    • RetroRob

      She’s artificially enhanced!

      • mustang

        I knew PED were good for something.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        Some pictures she looks natural, some enhanced.

        Either way, it’s all good.

    • Barry

      Jeter needs to get a girlfriend closer to his own age and just marry already. He’s getting too old to date young chicks. It’s creepy.

      • mustang

        WHY?
        AND
        HELL WHY ?

        This is why you get a big F in Jeterology.

        • Barry

          Because He’s technically old enough to be her dad. I mean at some point it’s going to tarnish his image. No one loves Jeter more than me, I have a batting shirt from ’96 that doesn’t fit that I’ve had all my girlfriends wear as their pajama shirt. At the same time though it’s like going to the pool hall and seeing an old man making out with a girl that could still be in high school. He needs to have a son soon so we can have a new SS in 18 years.

          • jjyank

            Marriage isn’t for everyone. Just because your view on how life is “supposed” to play out isn’t the same as his doesn’t mean he is wrong. Maybe he doesn’t want to settle down and prefers to bang super hot models all day? Crazy concept, I know. In my opinion, that does jack shit to “tarnish his image”, and instead just makes him even more awesome.

            • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

              +1

            • mustang

              No, No he is better off doing what Tiger and A-Rod did with their marriages.

              You nailed it dude. Jeter has a better game off the field then on it.

            • Barry

              Oh JJ always so bitter.

              • jjyank

                Only when dealing with you.

                • Barry

                  See that bitterness must be something inside you that’s bothering you.

                  • Jim Is Bored

                    Trying to play the victim card way below just doesn’t work at all when you make comments like this.

                    You didn’t exactly prevent this from becoming long and overblown.

          • mustang

            OMG !!!! Please stop your hurting Male species.

            • Barry

              Mustang, just go out and get laid a little bit instead of choking your mule to Jeter’s digs.

              • jjyank

                A little closer to O:S now. You’re almost there buddy!

                • Barry

                  Oh I’m going to be so sad!

              • mustang

                Your right Barry. I’m not a stud like you big boy.

          • Havok9120

            Yeah, those Rat Pack guys are reviled these days.

            Wait, what?

          • MannyGeee

            Yeah because womanizing has tarnished the image of the Baseball Legends before him…

            • Preston

              Take down Babe and Mickey’s monuments!!!

          • RetroRob

            Oh, you were serious? : -)

            My father was fifteen years older than my mother. They had the best marriage any two people could hope to have. In fact, it was so good, it’s distorted my own view of marriage, having failed once at this!

            Jeter’s a wealthy, famous, powerful, good looking, in good shape man about town. I would demand an explanation if wasn’t dating women in their 20s. Doesn’t meant he’s going to marry any of them, although my guess is one day he will get married. It almost assured the woman, whomever it is, will be at least a decade younger than he is. That’s just the way it works. It’s better to be a guy in the dating game. I speak from experience.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I’m Derek’s age. If I were single, I don’t know if I would date someone that young except for special circumstance, but I also think I’m looking to match up with my mate on more levels than someone who gives out gift baskets is.

        There’s also something about the shared experience of celebrit that brings people together, or at least it’s what I used to explain Jake Gyllenhall and Taylor Swift.

        #otherthanbeard

        • Barry

          Yeah I mean I’m not hating, good for him but it’s nothing more than average after the gauntlet he’s run through. But at 38, lets grow up Jete.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            A breast in its early 20’s, prior to it being used as a child’s toy, is a beautiful, pristine thing. No one should ever be denied them. Not even Wilford Brimley.

            • Barry

              I’m 25 and I’ve preferred women in their 30s since I was 16! That being said a beautiful breast is a rare thing, a lot of them are just flawed once the gift-wrap is off. Thank god for plastic surgeons!

              • RetroRob

                So you’re looking for a mommy figure?

                • Barry

                  No 8 years younger than my nearest brother so I was always around girls considerably older than me. I like girls that are mature. I don’t like giggly play toys. Plus if you don’t know this yet, you should look into it; experience makes a whole lot of a difference in the experience.

                  • RetroRob

                    I’m just pointing out that younger men who like to date older women are driven so by insecurity. The profiles on this are quite clear, even more so than men who date younger women.

                    I applaud you for dating older women. Just don’t pretend your fetish, err tastes, allows you to stand on a higher moral ground than Derek Jeter. Your comments present a very different profile of a person you’re pretending to be.

              • Preston

                Will you still prefer women in their 30’s when you’re 50 or will you like 70 yo’s?

          • mustang

            “lets grow up Jete.”

            Once again WHY????

        • RetroRob

          I’m with you on that. I wouldn’t be seeking out someone that age. That said, if a 22-year-old about to be on Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue wanted to go out with me, I would not deny her desire. I’m very nice that way. : -)

      • nyyankfan_7

        Don’t be jealous. Jeter dates amazingly gorgeous 21 year old models for the same reason a dog licks his own dick; because he can and you would too if you could.

        • jjyank

          Haha +1

        • mustang

          LMAO
          LMAO

        • Barry

          Jealous wouldn’t be the word. I’ve had girls that are close, if not on, the same level as Hannah Davis. Usually they end badly because they’re psychotic. It’s not like Hannah Davis is Marilyn Monroe 2.0.

          • jjyank

            lol okay dude. Rules of the Internet, part 1,398: Don’t bother saying that you’re as much of a player as Derek Jeter, because everyone will just think that you’re even more full of shit than they already do.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Let’s play “What’s in Barry’s gift basket.”

              GO!

              (Barry, please join in.)

              • Barry

                Home-made jam!(is this how we play?)

                I’ve had plenty of girls, never said I was on Jeter’s level but I also never said I’d want to be.

                • Preston

                  I think I know where you’re coming from. You’re thinking of Jeter as a normal person. I know guys who sleep with the quantity of girls Jeter does, and they are creepy and weird. It takes up all of their time and their life revolves around it. Jeter could conceivably be more discerning than anyone you know, not only about looks, but also personality. Because he’s Derek Jeter and it doesn’t require the same level of effort.

              • MannyGeee

                OK… I will say

                A grave rolling kit?

            • mustang

              LMAO!!

              WOW !!!!!!

              SOOOOOO TRUE.

              Barry’s “MAN CARD” need to be voided.

              • Barry

                Come void it buddy ;)

          • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

            HAHAHAHAHAHA.

            Good one dude.

            Everything from now on out of your mouth is going to be considered complete bullshit in my book.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Someday someone would explain to me why “you’d suck your own dick if you could” is always assumed. I’m not so sure.

          Nothing at all against people who enjoy the activity of doing so. Just speaking for myself personally.

          • Barry

            I also wouldn’t suck my own pig.

          • Matt

            There once was a man from Nantucket
            Whose cock was so long he could suck it
            He said with a grin
            Wiping sperm from his chin
            If my ear was a c#@*I could f$@# it!

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        What kind of crazy talk is this?

        Why eat the same meal every day for the rest of your life when you can dine at a different 5 star restaurant whenever you damn well please??

        • mustang

          +100

        • Barry

          Idk, morals and ethics. Some people still have those.

          • jjyank

            What morals and ethics? He’s not committing adultury, who gives a fuck?

            • Robinson Tilapia

              It’s a cruel world out there. Moral, ethical people commit adultery.

            • mustang

              Thank you.

            • Barry

              I guess I do.

              • jjyank

                Not sure how a single guy dating other single girls in a consensual relationship is immoral and unethical, but you can go right ahead and enjoy your own definitions.

                • Barry

                  Oh yeah, all of Jeter’s relationships are long lasting and completely faithful! Oh and A-Rod never touched roids!

                  • jjyank

                    What are you talking about? Nobody is talking about A-Rod. And why do Jeter’s relationships need to be long lasting in order to be “ethical and moral”? This is an insane argument. I’m feeling an O:S coming up again.

                    • Barry

                      It’s all fun and games until everyone gets the HIV.

                    • jjyank

                      Aaaaaand scene.

                  • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

                    To try to push your morals on another person, a stranger at that, is possibly the most arrogant thing ever. Just because you believe something completely legal is wrong doesn’t mean that a guy who lives a life we can barely comprehend should hold him self the the same “moral authority” as you.

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

            What Jeter is doing is neither immoral or unethical by any definition of the word.

            • Jim Is Bored

              Well that’s just not true. Religions have definitions of moral and ethical too. I’m not claiming they’re right or wrong, but they exist.

              • Pat D

                Religions change the meanings of words to suit their own ends, too.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  I’m not saying they don’t. I’m not sure how that was a reply to me though.

                  And I’d venture to say most people and organizations try to change words to suit their own ends.

                  • Pat D

                    Of course they do. I just like to pick on religion.

                    • Herby

                      You’d love some of my comments.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      I’ve noticed this is a common theme on the internetz.

              • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                I’m atheist so I could care less about what some silly superstition or fictitious book tells people how to live their lives.

                • Jim Is Bored

                  “What Jeter is doing is neither immoral or unethical by any definition of the word.”

                  Your refusal to accept someone else’s definition doesn’t preclude it’s existence.

                  • Cris Pengiucci

                    So if he said that “by most commonly used definitions … ” that would be OK? Just because a person or a small group of people define something in a particular manner, doesn’t neceessarily make it relevant.

                    • Jim Is Bored

                      No, because religious people make up a shit ton of our world.

                      Christianity, Buddhism, Islam, would all have things to say about ethics and morals, and in fact have contributed immensely to the shaping of the non-religious definition. And that’s far more than 50% of our world’s population.

                      If he had said “By the definition of ethics and morals that I accept” I would have had no problems with it.

                • Cris Pengiucci

                  I’m not an atheist and I largely agree with your comment.

                  • Jim Is Bored

                    I was arguing semantics, not whether any specific religious definition was correct or relevant.

                    Pretending religion had nothing to do with our definition of ethics and morals is ridiculous.

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                      Dude, 38 year old Jeter is dating a 21 year old girl.

                      To our knowledge, they aren’t related and it’s consensual. They also aren’t engaging in group sex, prostitution, beastiality, wife swapping, etc. so if that’s “immoral or unethical”, you either have a completely puritanical definition of the word or else you’re pulling a Ted and just looking to argue.

                • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

                  Whoa easy there buddy.

                  Keep spouting off like that and you better hope that your assertation of it being a “silly book” is true.

                  That’s a risk I wouldn’t want to take.

                  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                    Fictitious book, not silly.

                  • Pat D

                    On the flip side, you’re gonna be mighty disappointed when you die and that’s that.

            • Evan3457

              (spoken in Ben Stein’s monotone)

              A-Rod? A-Rod?? A-Rod???

      • CP

        Jeter needs to get a girlfriend closer to his own age and just marry already. He’s getting too old to date young chicks. It’s creepy.

        I think he just needs help using his DirecTV DVR.

        • Preston

          IETC

    • mustang

      Seriously its hard to find a super star athlete who has played that role better then Jeter on or off the field.

      • RetroRob

        Yeah, really. I’m going with Jeter when it comes to ethics when compared to, ummm, Barry.

        • Jim Is Bored

          I’m actually not going to get my ethical advice from either, but that’s just me.

          • RetroRob

            Valid point and correct.

    • mustang

      Things I have learn from my comment:

      1- Barry is a stud with morals and ethics. Girls feel free to call not that he needs you.

      2- Jeter and apparently most of us are immoral and unethical.

      3-NEVER GO OFF TOPIC AGAIN!!!!!!!!!

      Sorry guys for giving Barry the opening my bad.

  • Havok9120

    In other news, the O’s have made their big upgrade for the offseason:

    Chris Dickerson.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Cashman failed.

      • MannyGeee

        In related news: Chris Dickerson would never disrespect Flanny’s memory.

        • Pat D

          I just disrespected Flanny’s memory.

    • Barry

      Hope he gets a legitimate shot at some playing time. Also hope he doesn’t make us eat it if he does.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      I hope he hits a HR against the Yankees this year so the I can watch the Dickersonites go bat shit crazy.

      • Hubward

        That would be a popcorn and large soda moment, heck I might go all in and order pizza :)
        Also you know that Dickersonites will stick right

      • Havok9120

        This signing could definitely result in some Game Thread Gold.

  • Frank

    You’re going to hear from the baseball media, “We’re growing tired of talking about steroids and baseball.” But they’ll never grow tired of slamming Alex Rodriguez.

    • Jim Is Bored

      It’s empty words. They aren’t tired of talking about steroids and baseball, it’s the only thing they ever like to talk about when they bring up baseball.

      But do you hear anything more than crickets about PED’s in basketball, hockey, football? Nope.

  • There’s the Door

    2,459,520 minutes until ARod is off the books.

    • Math

      I feel so used and abused right now.

      • Barry

        Imagine if you actually had to cut the checks. Probably feels worse than a prison rape.

  • Yankee Fan In Cleveland

    If you look at the full report out of Miami its hard to believe that A-Rod wasn’t using PED’s. While it may be circumstantial at this point its also pretty convincing, particularly when you look at some of the other names on the list like Melky and Colon. Either way I’m just so sick of A-Rod and all the drama that follows him. Its time for the Yankee’s to part company with him, whether or not they can void his contract. Yes its a ton of money to eat but at a certain point the brand damage will become more important.

    You also have to wonder if the deal that the union and MLB ultimately reached on HGH testing was a preemptive strike by MLB knowing this story was about to break.

    • MannyGeee

      Also damaging to a brand: sending a clear message to all prospective Free Agents that you will find a way to void a contract with them for suspicion (NOT PROOF) of wrong doing.

      • Preston

        Maybe that’s why Barry and Maddux didn’t come in 92 after George tried to do that to Winfield…

        • MannyGeee

          Ya think? I learned my lesson the hard way by taking a job at a place where the boss was a prick, and I have turned down many others based on that experience.

  • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

    While this is clearly Alex’s fault if he’s guilty, some of the comments here are laughable. I’m not saying A-Rod doesn’t like a certain level of attention, all professional athletes do, otherwise they’d be in different lines of work. But to some how link this to his need for attention is just mind boggling. Also to say things like “nobody cares about A-Rod anymore” and “he just loves to see his name in headlines” in the middle of rants ripping the guy just proves that your wrong. As a journalist, you’re job is to do things: report the facts and make people want to read your story. Alex is the main guy here, not just because he’s the most recognizable, but because people love to talk about him.

    • Barry

      There’s a difference between loving to talk about him because of how awesome he is and loving to talk about him because of how much of a disappointment he is.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

        But to complain that nobody loves to talk about him, then continue to talk about him, regardless of the connitation of the speaking, is hypocritical. For example; I look down on people who talk about the relationships of celebrities in general, so I avoid speaking about the romances of Hollywood most of the time. The only exception I make is for Yankees, because I’m usually making a comment in jest or sarcasm. Also, as a journalist, I don’t care what you’re saying about the subject of my article, just that you’re talking about it after you read it.

      • MannyGeee

        he says 300 comments deep into a “fuck A Rod” fest….

  • Jim Is Bored

    Things I didn’t see this thread turning into:

    A discussion about the ethics and morals of dating and pre-marital sex.

    • Barry

      I tend to make controversial comments, and there are usually one or two people that like to make them into long running arguments.

      • MannyGeee

        Silly us… we assumed you were saying something “controversial” in order to incite a long conversation. Or argument, as you would deem it when people disagree with you.

        • Pat D

          Stop hatin’, Manny! Or I’ll start arguing with you!

      • nsalem

        It is my belief that people who brag about their own great sexual histories are usually quite full of shit which should not be confused with controversial..

        • Pat D

          You calling Wilt Chamberlain a liar?

          • nsalem

            I said usually and Wilt is probably an exception. Would magine he didn’t pay for anyof them either which is something many loudmouths forget to include.

  • Pat D

    Sweet cream on an ice cream sandwich! This thread has gone insane!

    • Jim Is Bored

      Most of it isn’t even about ARod anymore!

      • Captain’s Gift Basket

        HAHA I know, a shitfest because of A-Rod that it’s not about A-Rod anymore… I’ve seen a few of those around here.

      • Pat D

        Any non-open thread that exceeds 100 posts usually has dozens of posts that have nothing to do with the article.

        • Pat D

          I mean, people have really forgotten that there’s an off-topic thread.

          • Havok9120

            Well, that thing has been underused for so long that it’s more of a private forum than anything else.

            We could have based ROVP there and had no problem.

  • Ralph Melish

    Per Joel Sherman, ARod’s camp just issued a full denial of the story. Claims had no association with Bosch or his organization.

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

      Idk, this seems like a valid news source. I hope for their sake they’re right, otherwise the credibility of this paper is just shot.

    • Pat D

      Well. I’m certainly relieved by that. ARod now just needs to hold a no-questions-asked press conference where he insists it had to be a mistake that his name was on this guy’s books and he will begin his own investigation into the matter that will last about 10 years. I’m sure we’ll never hear of this story again.

  • Ralph Melish

    FWIW, ARod has secured the legal services of Roy Black. Doesn’t sound that good for complete innocence.

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

      He’s a high profile civil litigator as well as criminal attorney, maybe he’s gearing up for a gigantic lawsuit against the Miami Times and this lab…

  • Ralph Melish

    I would’ve suggested my own personal favorite law firm: Deny, Deny, Deny and Copaplea.

    • Pat D

      I’d have hired Hungerdunger, Hungerdunger, Hungerdunger and McCormick.

    • John C

      Where have you gone Jackie Chiles?

    • Havok9120

      Dewey, Cheatum, and Howe remain my go-to for litigation purposes.

      • Gonzo

        Well played.

    • Gonzo

      Dewey, Cheatum & Howe LLP

    • MannyGeee

      I usually go to the Web… Bob Loblaw’s Law Blog.

  • Gonzo

    The Miami New Times also broke this Shag story in ’11. It’s kinda sad, funny, and weird.

    http://www.miaminewtimes.com/2.....uter-geek/

  • Gonzo

    Is anyone going to change their handle to something Cacique related already? I thought it would be done in the first 100 comments.

  • LK

    I’ve been gone all day, and now I find so much fail to comment on I don’t know where to start.

    • Gonzo

      I decided to check in at lunchtime and I couldn’t believe this has over 300 comments already. Way to go RAB.

      • RetroRob

        This story has been live for hours. I’m surprised there’s only 300 comments.

        • Gonzo

          Do you think it will need a spillover thread?

          • RetroRob

            Hmmmmm…

            Has there ever been a spillover thread for a non-game thread?

            Nah. Mike will probably create a new story link as info comes in if this gets too long.

            • Gonzo

              Wasn’t their one for the Pineda/Kuroda deals? Am I misremembering?

              • Get Phelps Up

                There was a separate thread for both Pineda and Kuroda so I don’t think so.

              • nsalem

                I think that it was once mentioned that the night that the Cliff Lee to the Yankees story that broke in July 2010 created the largest non game response.

  • RetroRob

    Okay, taking a break from the far more important discussion going on up above, which is is Derek Jeter morally and ethically wrong for dating a hot girl in her 20s.

    So, if you’re an A-Rod supporter or not, would you rather:

    1) Have the report turn out to be false, or

    2) Have the report turn out to be correct, eventually allowing the Yankees to terminate his contract?

    • LK

      The report isn’t going to allow the Yankees to terminate his contract though. There’s nothing in his contract about PEDs.

      • RetroRob

        I know, but that wasn’t the question. : -)

        What’s possible, though, is unknown. No team has ever tried to break a contract. Buster Olney wrote that if A-Rod is suspended, then “presumably the Yankees will do their own review of their options — such as trying to void the contract because of misrepresentation, in the same way that former sponsors and business partners of Lance Armstrong have been trying to do in recent days.”

        Unlikely, but my question was more related to personal feeling. Would you rather A-Rod have redemption, or would you rather he be embarassed, with the Yankees getting relief from his contract.

        • CP

          “presumably the Yankees will do their own review of their options — such as trying to void the contract because of misrepresentation, in the same way that former sponsors and business partners of Lance Armstrong have been trying to do in recent days.”

          Perhaps they can just go back to their notes from when they looked into it when it came up with Jason Giambi rather than conducting a new review of the same issue.

    • Jim Is Bored

      1, without a doubt.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        If A-Rod is able to return healthy and perform at a solid level (like a solid fielding third baseman) that is also a very good (not elite) hitter, I’d take either option. I don’t ever expect him to live up to what his contract pays him. But if he’s playing, he needs to produce quite a bit more than replacement level. Can he ever be a 3.5 – 4.0 WAR player again?

        • Jim Is Bored

          I’d be shocked if he ever got to 4, but i’d be pretty happy with a 2.5-3 WAR for the next 2-4 years.

          Which is pretty sad, but it is what it is.

      • RetroRob

        I’d select 1 too, even though 2 would be better for the Yankees over the next few years. I really don’t feel all that good when I see people sabatoging their reputations.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Easily #1.

  • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

    They’re talking about it on CNN right now…this guy Richard “I blink too much and they only said my last name once” is tentative to claim the article as fact because they (CNN) don’t have a second source and were unable to reach anybody at the clinic.

    • RetroRob

      Is Richard “no blink” a CNN reporter?

      We should also add here that A-Rod has denied any involvement with Bosch. Of course, he would most likely say that if he was guilty. Of course, he would also say that if he was innocent.

      Not much is know here. I fear the worst, but I will still give him the benefit of the doubt.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

        Yeah, Richard is a CNN guy, FWIW he passed along a tweet from Gio denying it completely.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

        Yeah, Richard is a CNN guy, FWIW he passed along a tweet from Gio denying it completely.

    • Gonzo

      They should be tentative after the Lennay Kekua fiasco. I doubt any news source will claim fact until they have done their own research.

      It also doesn’t mean the editor at Miami New Times didn’t do his/her job properly either.

      • RetroRob

        The Miami New Times might have broken many journalistic rules. They might have a lot of incorrect information. Yet even if they did both, their story could be correct. A variety of news organizations were following this story but didn’t break it because they didn’t have enough information. The Miami New Times went ahead regardless.

        I did hear the interview with Chuck Strouse at the New Times earlier. He doesn’t sound all that reputable, and was promoting that everyone should check back to teh New Times site every day as they releae a new record a day. I mean, what reporter promotes things that way? Yet, once again, that doesn’t mean what he reported was wrong. Even the National Enquirer has broke real stories.

        • Gonzo

          FWIW, Chuck Strouse isn’t the writer of the piece. I’m also not saying they broke journalistic rules or didn’t.

          • RetroRob

            He was listed as the paper’s editor, which means he’s the go/no-go guy for stories.

            And like you said, I have no idea if they did or didn’t bend or break any rules.

            • Gonzo

              Ahh, I missed that. I still don’t think that’s too damning. Tom Scocca and Deadspin were killing guys on twitter after the Te’o story broke.

  • http://kikojones5.blogspot.com Kiko Jones

    The conspiracy theorist in me is thinking Yankee ownership got the ball rolling with this investigation, in an effort to see if it would uncover wrongdoing that would ultimately invalidate A-Rod’s contract and get them out of paying him all that loot. Hmm…

    • Gonzo

      They do have a lot of juice in South Florida. Can we get Alex Jones on this ASAP?

      • http://kikojones5.blogspot.com Kiko Jones

        Ha!

  • Get Phelps Up

    356 comments and no dalelama or stuart a yet!!

    • Gonzo

      Who do you think leaked the story?

      • Get Phelps Up

        Big Member?

    • Jim Is Bored

      He finally showed up.

  • http://riveraveblues sandy g

    steinbrenner should be on the phone with his lawyers trying to void his remaining contract.i believe should do it and let the courts rule on it.maybee the will agree on a buy out.somewere along the lines of 25 mil,saving the yankees 94 mil over 5 years.this would be strike two on arod if true.get rid of him now.take the pr hit and go forward from there.

    • MannyGeee

      NO strikes yet. one admission of very very prior wrongdoing, and one article of a report that no one has confirmed even exists.

  • You should have shot Arod

    Worst yankee ever
    The stain of arod and we could have been done with him by except hank the moron son
    Bid agaist himself to that horrible contract. Please let this be grounds to void that contrat and get rid of this loser.

  • dkidd

    i’m as sick as anyone with this type of story, but the PED era is never going to end. science will keep outracing whatever testing procedures are in place, and soon genetic enhancement will take place in utero, starting another argument about fairness and level playing fields. no matter who is using what, baseball is still awesomely unscripted drama. it’s not professional wrestling (and i love wrestling, just for different reasons)

  • Mr. Pappageorgio

    My advice for A-Rod: Better call Saul!!!!!

    • dkidd

      a-rod = walter
      cashman = skyler

      • Gonzo

        Please let Melky be Jesse Pinkman!

  • Mark from Chicago

    Has any player in any professional team sport ever had his contract voided due to an glaring, yet non-criminal, violation of the morals cause in his contract?

    • Gonzo

      Denny Neagle? Wait, that was criminal, right?

      • RetroRob

        I wonder what ever happened with that?

        The Rockies canceled the last year of his deal under the morals clause in his contract for soliciting a woman for oral sex. I mean, if a contract can be canceled for trying to pay someone for a blowjob, then it seems to me it could totally be canceled for buying illegal drugs.

        I have no idea what happened in that Neagle case. The Wikipedia entry says the last year was voided, yet I have to believe Neagle appealed it and some resolution was reached. Probably was never announced. Yet if it was voided, then there is clear precedent.

        • Pat D

          Just found it. Rob Neyer’s Big Book of Baseball Blunders talks about it. It says that Neagle was owed $10 million for the last year of his contract and an $9.5 million option buyout. The Rockies paid Neagle $16 million of that money since they were “faced with almost certain defeat before an arbitrator.”

          • Gonzo

            Thanks for digging that up. That’s a lot money for hookers.

          • RetroRob

            Thanks.

            I was pretty sure Neagle had to challange it. It would have been a huge story if they had been allowed to void his contract.

            It does appear the two sides did reach a settlement, since he didn’t get full value of the $19.5M owed (if I’m reading that correctly.)

            Bottom line, if the Yankees actually challenged the contract and voided it, I wonder how the Player’s Union and players and free agents in general would view the Yankees. In the end, it comes down to the money, yet the team’s reputation could be damaged.

            • Pat D

              Yea, it was a settlement. If it had gone before the arbitrator, I’m sure the union would have won and the Rockies would have owed the whole amount.

      • Pat D

        The Rockies ended up having to pay him most of his contract anyway.

    • Coolerking101

      In the world of collective bargaining, the CBA controls all. I have a hard time believing the CBA allows teams to void contracts for any wrongdoing other than a felony conviction or some reason mutually agreed upon by contract. The Neagle situation was based upon a provision in his contract. You can be sure A-Rod has no such provision in his contract.

      • RetroRob

        The morals clause is part of MLB and all contracts, not that anyone has ever used it to void a deal.

  • Some Other Rob

    Hopefully he will get a lifetime ban one of these days since he can’t stop using. What a loser.

  • Herby

    Looks like a ton of fun thread…I’m going to withhold judgement although at the moment it does look pretty bad for him, I will hold out the possibility that it’s a pissed off employee either trying to make a name for himself, or trying to get back at his employer. At first glance it doesn’t appear that way. I don’t expect Gio Gonzalez would be on that list if it were true.
    Now, as to Derek’s dating habits…get it if you can while you can. It’s not like he’s a senior citizen, give me a fucking break. Just because some here are Senior Center gigolos making their coin during social security check time is no cause to be spreading hate.

  • Jim Cavanaugh

    I pray to the G-d’s Jeter never grows up or settles down or whatever; We are witnessing one of the greatest onslaughts of celebrity banging in the history of the world. Jeter’s roster of talent reads even better than an all star team, it’s virtually an all-time team. Keep slaying ass & breaking baseball records Jete, you are the greatest i ever saw.

    • Captain’s Gift Basket

      This. THIS (!)

    • TomH

      Read Sinatra’s some time. Jeter’s virtually celibate by comparison.

      • Havok9120

        This is what I was saying up above.

  • David Brown

    Lets start with the facts: If Arod admits to or is found guilty of taking MORE illegal drugs, he will have zero chance for Cooperstown. As far as the rest of his career is concerned, I am not an attorney so I do not know what is LEGALLY required to void a Contact as it relates to Major League Baseball. However, I wonder if these possibilities can occur?. 1: Fraud. If Arod was taking Performance Enhancing Drugs when he ORIGINALLY signed the contract, and the Yankees were unaware of it, did he violate the terms of the contract? 2: If he was receiving the drugs illegally, and pleads guilty to something in Criminal Court, and gets sentenced to jail, can the Yankees avoid paying him? That question is not so obvious, because a dirt bag like Jerry Sandusky is collecting a Pension check while in Prison. Again it is all in the wording of the contract. 3: Did the drug taking have anything to do with the hip condition? If it did, and he cannot play, that is another way they can try and void the contract. Related to that is this: If I am the Insurance Company and the hip condition is related to drugs, I am not paying the Yankees for the injury, and the Yankees may have no recourse, then to fight the Insurance Company and (or) Arod in Court. Very interesting case.

    • RetroRob

      Regarding the last point, his doctor at the Hospital for Special Surgery has clearly stated the issue is genetic, and would have formed when he was a young teen. No way the doctor is going to make that up. For one, it would be known if he did make that statement up. Second, the doctor has his reputation, and the doctors at the Hospital for Special Surgery are as good as they come.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I think it’s only fair that I point that you unnecessarily capitalized “insurance company.” Not a proper noun there, flapjack.

  • Jim Is Bored

    Almost to 400! Come on, RAB, we can do it!

    • Captain’s Gift Basket

      I’m just gonna answer to make it, when i posted there 398. This should do it.

    • Get Phelps Up

      This makes all those other threads earlier in the offseason that we thought were crazy look like nothing.

      • Jim Is Bored

        Man, we REALLY need baseball.

        • Get Phelps Up

          Word. This part if the offseason ya the worst.

          • Get Phelps Up

            *is the worst

            • Herby

              It’s good that this story came out now instead of in spring training or it’s all you’d be hearing about. At least they’ll be a few weeks for it to run it’s course and for things to die down a bit.

  • Captain’s Gift Basket

    Holly shit 400 comments! The worst part is that almost nobody can asure anything.

    Fucking april can’t come soon enough.

    • RetroRob

      Nobody knows nothing.

      Yeah, it’s slow and it’s A-Rod.

      Wait, I’m 402 with another pointless comment.

      Keep in mind, though, that at least 50 of the comments relate to Jeter dating a 22-year-old.

      • Captain’s Gift Basket

        HAHA that’s right, and it was gold.

        I’m seriously considering changing my handle to “Barry’s Gift Basket”

        • Pat D

          The ROVP endorses this decision.

          • Get Phelps Up

            What is ROVP?

            • Pat D

              The ROVP is everything! All that once was and all that will be!

              The ROVP controls time and space! Life and death!

              The ROVP can see into your mind!

              The ROVP can see into your SOUL!!

              • jjyank

                We sees everything…

        • jjyank

          That is fucking amazing.

  • endlessjose

    The Yankees need to do more and punish A-Rod themselves or make a strong staement.If they think by staying quiet that this will all just run it’s course than there as dumb.

    Unlike that stupid TV deal they need to put effort in dealing with A-Rod than worrying about getting under the $189 budget.

    • Get Phelps Up

      Punish ARod themselves?

      What could they possibly do?

      • Captain’s Gift Basket

        Make Hank spank his ass??

      • Herby

        First positive test, lose a testicle. You don’t want to have a second positive test.

      • Coolerking101

        They could scold him using very harsh language.

      • Jim Is Bored

        They could have him hang out in the RAB threads during the offseason.

        • Gonzo

          Pay the man, Shirley.

    • RetroRob

      What stupid TV contract?

  • Coolerking101

    Tom Verducci confirms that the Commissioner can suspend players based on documentary evidence of PED use (so no drug test needed).
    Assuming the Commissioner chooses to suspend the players named in the Miami New Times report, I wonder how penalties would be dished out? The evidence against A-Rod (if true), suggests years of doping in violation of MLB rules. Nevertheless, he would only be considered a first time offender under the rules. Moreover, he could serve the entire penalty while on the DL. How’s that for beating the system?

  • mick taylor

    how about investigating tiger woods , who has not won a major in 5 years, his last major win was a month before the pga began testing for steroids. how about asking terry bradshaw if he is proud o f his 1970s steelers teams which were loaded with steroid users and because most nfl players were not on roids then gave them their tainted championships

    • Jim Is Bored

      Nominated for run on sentence of the thread, we have mick taylor!

      • jjyank

        Vote casted!

    • Pat D

      How about all the drugs you must have used during the Exile on Main St. sessions?

      • jim p

        “must use illegal drugs” is actually written into Rolling Stones contracts.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          …and was sadly written out from about “Dirty Work” to the present.

          • Pat D

            What, not a fan of anything since then?

    • DC

      A Mick Taylor comment that doesn’t reference Josh Hamilton or Travis Hafner??

  • Gonzo

    I almost forgot about the Selena Roberts story that A-Rod used steroids in high school. Someone just brought it up on twitter.

    Also, I didn’t realize that the New York Daily News had this story three days ago but without specifics. They just had there was an investigation by MLB and the DEA into the dealer’s ties with athletes including A-Rod.

    • Jim Is Bored

      With how many people I knew directly that used in high school, and mind you most of them didn’t even end up playing in college, it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Selena Roberts’ story were true.

    • Gonzo

      That’s right. That’s the one where Doug Mientkiewicz said he never saw A-Rod juice in high school, and he was pretty sure he would have known. It’s all coming back to me.

  • Big Member

    wow guys how about all of you shut the fuck and calm down. none of you here are lawyers and this situation needs man who is aware of the law review. lucky for you big member is the man for the job!

    i am on track to became a profesional lawyer. i took a government class in high school and a few law classes in my community college so when i talk about the laws i speak with confidence.

    first of, as of right now, there is no physical proof that arod is gulty. when the bosch guy shows a sample of arod’s urine that contains steroids, arod will be guily.

    second, nowehre does it say that arod may have actually USED the drugs. maybe he was just buying them as a gift for his good friend melky.

    third, dont u guys think that arod and the other hispanic player of mlb could have payed the reporter $$$ not to writes articles? the probably make 50 mill a year combined, they could have blackmailed this silly reporter is this was true. becasue its not true.

    so, i strongly advise alex to get a good lawyer such as myself to reprsesent him in jury. if he chooses me as his lawyer i promise to tell him that you guys want him to play fair.

    • Captain’s Gift Basket

      Would you marry my sister, so i can get to meet you and talk to you, like every other day??

    • Get Phelps Up

      Easily the best comment in the thread.

    • Gonzo

      Complete.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Sometimes I think you’re trying too hard, and then you come out with gold, jerry. gold.

    • David Brown

      I do not think you are, or ever will be an Attorney (Except in your mind). 1: Look at your spelling: A:: Becasue (The word is because). B: Nowehre (The word is nowhere). C: 3: Guily (The word is guilty). 2: Your grammar is awful as well: This is a perfect example: “this situation needs man who is aware of the law review.” A more accurate statement is we need someone who is familiar with Contract Law. Finally, I took three Semesters of Law in College (Business Law 1 & 2 and Constitutional Law), but that in no way qualifies me as someone who can pass the New York State Bar Exam (Let alone be a top flight Attorney).

      • Slappy McWaterbug

        Ugh…

        • Gonzo

          Shhh…

          I think it’s part of the shtick.

      • Havok9120

        It’s responses like this that are my favorite part of Big Member posts.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I gladly endorse the law firm of Big and Member.

    • dkidd

      “i am on track to became a professional lawyer”

      this is genius level stuff

  • WhittakerWalt

    You know what the worst part is?
    If it’s true we have to admit that creep dalelama was right all along. Which sucks.
    If it’s true.

    • Jim Is Bored

      Why? He has said a lot of shit about ol’ purple lips, as he so affectionately refers to him, but I’m pretty sure he wasn’t banging the PED train since 2009.

      • WhittakerWalt

        I just hate when annoying idiots turn out to be right. It feels… unjust somehow.

    • Pat D

      Yea, but in this case the whole question only requires a yes or no answer. Even the most moronic idiot in the world can be right with those odds.

      • RetroRob

        Correct. A broken clock is right twice a day.

    • jjyank

      I don’t care, he/she/it is never right.

      • Get Phelps Up

        I like that you included “it”.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          He very well may be a very well-trained lemur.

          If he’s right, whoop-dee-fucking-doo.

    • DC

      Dalelama is celebrating in his Buffalo Bob-style hideout.

      • dalelama

        Having such powerful insight into the human condition is a heavy responsibility. I forgive the doubters and skeptics who lack my predictive powers.

        • Get Phelps Up

          You haven’t correctly predicted anything yet.

  • Mike

    This isn’t as bad as when Pettitte got exposed.

    • RetroRob

      That was David Cone, and it was in the Mets bullpen.

      Or did you mean something else?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        ietc

  • pat

    Xmas in January for RAB.

  • voice of reason

    can someone please, PLEASE permanently ban ted nelson from this website?? i never comment, but i am so constantly annoyed by his comments that i had to say something. how has he not been banned already?? most annoying person i’ve ever seen on a blog in my life, and that’s saying a lot. bmfbo

    • Pat D

      Mostly because he doesn’t violate the guidelines.

      Sure, he’s the most contrary non-troll on these boards, but he doesn’t do anything that violates the expected behavior of commenters.

      If you don’t like him, just look to see if he’s posted a lot in a thread, and just ignore it. That’s what I do when I don’t feel like reading that back and forth.

      • Gonzo

        I dunno. He’s definitely violated part of rule #2 with me.

      • Jim Is Bored

        No one gets banned anymore.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          Why not?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      So the person who, yes, often asks like a prick, but is actually correct 90% of the time is worse than the fifty other pricks who are just pricks and have nothing else to offer. Okay.

      I’ll take ten Ted Nelsons over one of that guy who wasted our time yesterday with the “likely” and the “all.”

      • Preston

        +1

        • Joey from Jersey

          Amen brother

      • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

        Can you prove this 90% of the time you speak of?

        Of course you would take 10 TN’s you guys are RAB “Besties”.

        • jjyank

          I also agree with a lot of what Ted Nelson says. Not how he goes about it all the time, but I agree with him on an awful lot. And he does back up a lot of his opinions with numbers, unlike the actual trolls who just spout bullshit over and over.

          But seriously, how many times have we had this conversation on here about Ted Nelson. Give it a rest.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Other than the regular commenters who I think there’s just now a regular thing with (APF, Forensic, etc.), who I just wish the act would just be dropped with, I agree.

            Half the guys who don’t like him don’t like him because he calls them on their shit. The other half make a point, and one that I’ve had no problem writing myself to my “bestie.”

        • Robinson Tilapia

          This is exactly the kind of logic I’d expect from someone who can’t spell their own goddamn tag correctly.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        Don’t know about that.

        Seems to me Moandesi did to you yesterday what Nelson has done hundreds of times over.

        Argue semantics in a hostile, aggressive tone and then accuse you of poor reading comprehension even though he had a fairly valid point all along.

        • Ted Nelson

          You have got to be the most hostile commenter on this site.

        • Steve

          Bingo

    • Ted Nelson

      What the hell did I do in this thread? I brought up potential reasons A-Rod might benefit from taking PEDs more than he loses. I pointed out that it’s a bit ironic that the same people are mad evidence is keeping alleged PED users out of the HOF and that there may be evidence A-Rod used PEDs recently.

      I don’t know if I made a single aggressive, argumentative, or rude comment in this thread.

    • dalelama

      Being a wanker is not a crime.

  • Mscott

    Arod makes $28,000,000 in 2013. A 50 game suspension would result in 30.86% of his salary, or $8,641,975 being forfeit,which, I believe, would allow us to afford a LH DH, RH OF, or God Forbid, a C who is an actual Major League Baseball Player.

    • Evan3457

      Too bad everyone worth anything has already been signed.

      I think.

  • RetroRob

    I wonder if MLB, in an attempt to clean up it’s image around PEDs, is actually hurting its image by being more aggressive than the other sports. There are always going to be players who will attempt to get around the system. It’s why I find the idea that there was a “steroid era” with a defined beginning and ending off base. There is a beginning, although its edges are fuzzy, yet I doubt there will ever be an ending. Chemical enhancement is here to stay.

    MLB has now set the gold standard for testing. In the process they are going to catch more of their own, making it appear they have a worse problem than the other sports. The NFL would not take the actions MLB has. They want their players to take steroids. Hell, even tennis has a massive problem, although nobody cares.

    • Pat D

      Baseball, as the “national pastime,” is held to a higher standard because of that label.

      I think the greater public also believes that football is so much more physically demanding than baseball that it’s more or less expected football players are going to use. But baseball, where all the guys do is swing a bat and run around a bit? Heaven forbid someone try to be stronger or something. Never mind that the baseball season can be as long as 8 months.

      • Bobbyc

        Baseball has a pretty ugly history, but I guess so does our Nation. How this is any more scandalous than much worse stuff that went on makes no sense. A lot of pretty terrible people have always been connected to baseball.

    • Holy Ghost

      “Chemical enhancement is here to stay.”

      Exactly. That’s why the MLB’s crusade to rid the game of PEDs is futile.

      We’re living in a time where there are ways to speed up recovery from injuries, build strength and muscle faster, and I wouldn’t be surprised if athletes begin genetic treatments for enhancing performance pretty soon.

      It’s one of those things that you can’t put back in the bottle once it spills out.

      Professional sports will likely have to develop some degree of tolerance for certain treatments or drugs that enhance performance…

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Drew

    I was a huge supporter of Alex for a long time, but if it turns out that ’09 was fake its time for Alex to Get the fuck out. Looking at Article 7 of the Major League Uniform Player’s Contract specifically states that:

    7.(b) The Club may terminate [a] contract upon written notice to the Player (but only after requesting and obtaining waivers of this contract from all other Major League Clubs) if the Player shall at any time: (1) fail, refuse or neglect to conform his personal conduct to the standards of good citizenship and good sportsmanship or to keep himself in first-class physical condition or to obey the Club’s training rules.

    I am not a lawyer, shit I don’t even play one on TV but maybe there might be something can be done. I highly doubt it though.

  • mt

    The bottom line from this is that union will fight any voiding of total contract – yes, there is a way he can get suspended without failing a test if Commissioner decides (Verducci confirmed this) and I am not sure how the money not paid during any period of suspension (whether 50 games or 100 games) affects luxury tax but I do not see how Yankees avoid the great majority of $114 million they owe him still going against the luxury tax.

    I guess the only thing they avoid by releasing him may be the home run bonuses.

    Also I may have missed it but I did not see any outright denial that Arod took banned substances after 2009 – denying knowing Bosch or denying being treated by Bosch or denying validity of documents is all noise.

    • RetroRob

      I’m not sure it would void the marketing clauses. If the Yankees just outright cut A-Rod (which would be stupid, but let’s go down that path), he will immediately become a hot commodity. He can be signed by any team for the MLB minimum. The Yankees will still owe him his full contract, and once he started achieving the milestones (such as #660), the Yankees should be obligated to pay it, even while he’s on another team. Cutting A-Rod doesn’t relieve them of their obligations. Just means they have to pay him to play for some other team, while still absorbing the luxury tax impact.

  • steves

    I am intrigued by the vehemance and breadth of Gio Gonzales denial (in his statement he denies everything including that he ever met Bosch or was ever in his clinic which has to be easily verifiable one way or the other). Also the clinic’s records were given to the Miami New Times puportedly by a disgruntled worker. As skeptical as we automatically are when an accused says “I didn’t do it” at this point I remain equally skeptical as to truth of the clinic’s records until the records are shown not to be fraudulent (which is what Gio’s and Arod’s reps came out very quickly to claim).

    • Gonzo

      FWIW, Aminorip is not banned by the MLB. I have no clue what MIC is though.

      Order 1.c.1 with Zinc/MIC/… and Aminorip. For Gio and charge $1,000

    • Gonzo

      The one thing that troubles me is that the report has A-Rod taking something that he could have replaced with deer antler with no trace back to him whatsoever.

  • mustang

    I seriously never would of thought that making a small off topic comment about Jeter’s girlfriend would lead to this.

    Mike please send me a postal money order I don’t take personal checks.

    • mustang

      A_Rod probably reading this and saying fucking Jeter can’t even have my own PED scandal thread without him fucking it up with his immoral and unethical womanizing ways.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        I’d love to hear Barry’s opinion about Wilt Chamberlain if he thinks Jeter is “immoral and unethical”

        Wilt must be the Devil himself.

        • Havok9120

          Sinatra and the rest of the Rat Pack (or, heck, the Million Dollar Quartet) may still be the gold standard I want Barry judging.

  • Cacique and Destroy

    I bet for Halloween ARod dressed as Bane

  • Rizi Walnuts

    So this means the big comeback in 2009 was drug-fueled, and since I don’t expect the next comeback to be drug-fueled, I therefore do not expect a big comeback – which leads me to this – doesn’t this void the deal with A-rod?

    • Evan3457

      Almost certainly: no.

    • Mike

      We’re probably stuck with his mediocrity

    • Mike

      It sucks that he took PED’s and still sucked on the field.

      I wouldn’t want him gone if he actually lived up to his contract (like he did in 09). But since he’s been mediocre this might be a good chance to get out of his salary.

  • Endlessjose

    There’s no way A-Rod finishes his career here.The Yankees can’t have A-Rod passes Ruth(if he evet get there) on the homerun totals.A-Rod can’t stay because every year something bad about him comes out.

    I can’t see how A-rOd can contine as a Yankee.This is his second time he lied.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I was gone for four hours. I will admit that, in my absence, the thread peaked at “It’s all fun and games until someone gets the HIV.”

    • mustang

      agree

    • jjyank

      Which is my response was all I could think of :P

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

        Not for nothing, that Barry guy is some piece of work.

    • Havok9120

      Big Member’s appearance was pretty good, too.

  • Joe Nuccio

    So if he was taking PEDs for the past four seasons and his numbers were .276/.365/.482, what do is realistically to expect after he is done rehabbing and assume he doesn’t take any PEDs.

    • Holy Ghost

      I don’t think there is any conclusive evidence that HGH enhances performance

      • RetroRob

        The evidence is quite strong that it doesn’t, although there has never been any testing to see if HGH combined with real PEDs (HGH is not classified as a PED) can enhance performance on some level. It’s unknown.

  • stuart a

    arod is a fool and and isiot. of course many guys cheat for obvious reasons$$$$$$$$.

    once he did his 2009 mea culpa if he cheated then he is a total fool.

    if arod wanted to do everyone a favor he would just move on, settle his contract at a discount, retire and move on.

    btw there is zero chance he will do this because he is a narcissist ego maniac like most star athletes…the yanks are strapped with the arod curse for maybe 5 more loooooooooooong years.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I agree with point #2.

      I sometimes wish for point #3.

      Point #4 is your opinion and you’re entitled to it.

      As for point #1, I guess you exhausted your ellipse budget on dollar signs.

      • WhittakerWalt

        Shit, I forgot about stuart. How many times do you think he’s beat off today? And why do our two most rabid anti-ARod trolls both exhibit such a strong aversion to the Shift key?

  • stuart a

    arod is not passing ruth and others btw.. the guy is friggin toast.

    look at the #’s and the injuries.. he is toast except to the aroid commune that loves everything he does…

    • Get Phelps Up

      Your first comment was actually pretty good…and then this.

  • Endlessjose

    Whats sad is I still do believe he’s the best shortstop of all time and yet he got greedy like Bonds and we will never know how good he really was.

    A-Rod just couldn’t just stop.Like Clemens A-Rod got greedy,if only Clemens had retired in 2003 he would have been in the hall of fame and npt in the $hit he’s in.In the end these people got greedy.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Putting my gut aside, all we have is an article in the Miami version of the Village Voice. There will be plenty of time for eulogies if this checks out.

      • RetroRob

        Exactly. I said earlier, and still believe, that all these players are innocent until proven otherwise, although my gut tells me it’s not good.

        The clinic was clearly doing shady things, yet so far we have what appears to be a file from a disgruntled worker that was given directly a weekly newspaper who ran it without verfication. My guess is it is correct, yet still too much unknown.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I always loved reading stuff like this in the New Times when I lived down here. I just can’t recall how many of their exposes actually turned out true.

        • WhittakerWalt

          It’s hard to see how Alex really deserves the benefit of our doubt anymore, though. He’s been a fraud before. Every other accusation against him has turned out to be true.

          Nothing’s been proven as far as this one goes, but we can’t exactly pretend like this would be out of character for him.

          • Havok9120

            “Every other accusation,”

            Is there more than one that you’re talking about here?

            • WhittakerWalt

              Everything said by Canseco turned out to be true. And all the accusations of infidelity were also true. How many hairs are you trying to split here?

    • dalelama

      Clemens was acquitted by a jury of his peers while Aroid is an admitted cheat. Big difference….

      • Get Phelps Up

        There you are! It only took you 580+ comments.

        • WhittakerWalt

          Just when I thought the lama couldn’t get any stupider, he defends Roger Clemens.

  • Mandy Stankiewicz

    Wow. IF this turns out true–I, too, can’t see how the yanks wouldn’t do everything in their power to get rid of Alex.

  • TheManchine

    Mike, am I allowed to call him A-Hole again now?

    • dalelama

      Aroid has really embarrassed his sycophants on this blog site big time. The Dale, as usual, been right all along.

      • TheManchine

        sycophants

        Well done.

  • Havok9120

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....tract.html

    Where’s the popcorn? BRING ME MY BOURBON!

    • mustang

      This going to get ugly even if they don’t get out of the contract once the Yankees start the legal process of doing so A-Rod is goner one way or the other.

  • Endlessjose

    Bud Selig needs to handle the A-Rod problem and make an example of him.I’m hoping he lets the Yankees void the contract.

    • TheManchine

      I’d rather a lil shame seep into A-Hole and he just retires.

  • mustang

    http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....ng-sources

    Good read on this and sounds to me like it would take a lot for the Yankees to void this thing.

  • Eddard: Back and better than never

    The Yankees need to void the contract, period. And if they can’t void it buy it out and be done with it. This guy is a cancer in the locker room. He’s already infected Melky, who knows who else that was on the club. Hopefully not Robbie. He lied once and then lied again making the contract null and void.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Oh, look. Eddard said “cancer” again.

  • bkight13

    After all is said and done, I don’t see how Alex can play another game for the Yankees. The pressure cooker of NY, mixed with likely sub-par performance(post injury and no PEDs) will be a PR disaster.

    The contract most likely cannot be voided and Alex will probably not retire, so the Yankees will have to work out a buyout or flat out release him. He can then play for Miami or some other team and try to rehab his name and chase “records”.

  • Rizi Walnuts

    If we keep going in the thread we can surpass A-rod’s home run total.

  • NJB

    If suspended by MLB, the Yankees should move to void his contract via the moral turpitude clause that is in every contract. This will result in a law suit being filed by Arod and perhaps the union. Ultimately it will result in a financial settlement. The Yankees will have to pay a lot of money but not the full amount. It is time to put an end to this idiocy. They should approach him now, tell him what they plan to do and begin negotiations on a contract termination. I would guess that they will have to pay him at least $80 mil. If the Yankees want to stop the bleeding in terms of attendance, keeping Arod will not solve the problem. In business you learn that if you make a mistake it costs money. And the only solution is to cut your losses ASAP. I’m sick of having this guy on the team and I bet that the majority of fans feel the same way. Unfortunately, this investigation may go well beyond the date that Arod is ready to play. He will be booed loudly every time he steps on the field. What a disaster. The Yankees have to make a move, soon.