Friday Night Open Thread

Cashman: A-Rod could miss entire 2013 season
Report: DEA & MLB probing advisor connected to A-Rod

Happy Friday everyone. The Devils and Islanders are playing tonight, but feel free to talk about whatever you want in this open thread. You folks know how these things work by now, so do your worst.

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Cashman: A-Rod could miss entire 2013 season
Report: DEA & MLB probing advisor connected to A-Rod
  • Barry

    Not so secretly happy to possibly have a year without A-Twat. Hate him.

    • jjyank

      Disagree completely. Personally, I couldn’t call a player on my team a twat either, but to each his/her own I guess.

      • Barry

        I’ll call whoever I want a twat, I call out people in my squad/platoon when their fucked up(even when they out rank me) and I’d certainly call out an athlete. I hate A-Fraud.

        • jjyank

          Easy there champ.

          • Barry

            Oh I’m easy, I’ve just hated A-Rod since forever. I came out of the womb hating him and he was still a boy.

            • jjyank

              How charming.

              • Barry

                How expressive.

                • jjyank

                  Well if nothing else, you’re an interesting commenter.

                  • Barry

                    ‘Tis my goal.

                    • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

                      I’m just going to leave you to yourself now

        • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

          Well maybe sports are not your thing or you should voice your opinion elsewhere because like him or not when Alex is healthy he is very productive and an above average third baseman. No, he has not not lived up to his contract but who in the world could live up to $252 million dollars? I don’t care what proffesion, not many people(if any) are worth that.

          • Barry

            So what? Everyone has to share your opinions? That, my friend, is fascism.

            • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

              No but you are like the 28371983th person to come in here and bitch about how you don’t like Alex and that he sucks when in reality he is a good player

              • Barry

                So what? I thought it was an “open” thread?

                • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

                  you are not grasping the point

                  • Barry

                    What’s the point? If you don’t want to comment on my comment, no one is making you, but you did.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa
          • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

            +13 in honor of A-Rod

            • Barry

              -13 for steroids and we have a draw.

              • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

                + 2009 for the ’09 ws ring he helped us get

                • Barry

                  Wow he hit in one post season, I should worship him as a god of the game! Apart from 2009 he has been more of a liability than an asset in the post-season.

                  • Barry

                    66,14,-19. A-Rod’s wRC+ since 2009 after the regular season.

                    • Get Phelps Up

                      How many PA’s could that possibly be? 75?

                    • Get Phelps Up

                      *total plate appearances

                    • Barry

                      And on the same note his extremely good postseason in 2009 where he had a 224wRC+ was 68 PAs, so I guess we should dismiss that as a sample size? Get real. You can’t use one side of the coin if you want to ignore the other.

                    • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

                      Yeah that was 68 pa’s in one year vs 75 in 3 years. Huge difference

                    • Barry

                      Not really, both are considered to be too small a sample size to be statistically relevant. But it’s the post-season so all sample sizes are going to be small. Do we ignore his last post-season then, where I could say he”single-handedly booted us from the playoffs?”

                    • Get Phelps Up

                      Except he didn’t single-handedly boot us from the playoffs.

                  • jjyank

                    You wanna give the ring back? I don’t.

                    • Barry

                      It’s neither yours nor mine to give back, is it?

                    • jjyank

                      Not really the point. But go ahead, hate the guy who single handedly carried the team to a championship and is regarded as a great teammate.

                      And before you say it, yeah he did steroids. So did a shit load of other people. And I couldn’t care less.

                    • Barry

                      OH, so now A-Rod single-handedly won the WS in 2009? Interesting.

                    • jjyank

                      They wouldn’t have even made it past the ALCS without A-Rod. I don’t care how much you hate the guy, you can’t deny that.

                    • Barry

                      I acknowledge, he did his job in 2009.. Good for him for doing his job! Imagine that, a professional athlete did what he was paid to do!

                    • jjyank

                      Ha okay man. O:S for you.

                    • Barry

                      I do enjoy going back and forth with you and most other posters here for what it’s worth.

                  • Get Phelps Up

                    he had a good postseason…..throw a parade…

                  • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

                    Got us a ring right?

                    • dalelama

                      Actually Matsui and Damon got us the ring, Arod helped get us to the Series. I will never forgive Arod for single handily breaking the Curse of the Bambino plus he cheated to get the current contract that is pulling our beloved franchise into the gutter.

                    • Get Phelps Up

                      Johan Santana and David Wright are the ones that will be pulling your franchise into the gutter…

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

                You’re all missing the point: who cares? This A-Rod debate couldn’t be any more outdated. We’re venturing into 2007 territory here. Please, try talking about something interesting for once.

                • Barry

                  Enough people responded that it obviously must of been interesting. All I said was that I wouldn’t miss A-Rod, big deal.

                  • MannyGeee

                    No, all you’re saying is A Rod is a twat, and that you hate him. And that no matter our reasons for not hating him, we’re wrong because YOU think he is a twat.

                    Congrats on being a giant dick for no real good reason. Besides a rod amid your hate for him…

          • Get Phelps Up

            That’s great.

      • Steve

        *shrugs*

  • Bob Buttons

    Once upon a time there was a GM named Moneyguy

    Because he normally did okay in offseasons, the one offseason where he stood pat against some bad signings, while missing on a few guys like the average GM would, people are calling for his head.

    • Barry

      And it will roll. Haha, seriously though we could of really used Napoli.

      • Bob Buttons

        I’m gonna say no there, with the hip thing and all.

        • CP

          Doesn’t the new CBA limit teams to at most one player with a bad hip?

          • Barry

            On EACH side, so if one players left hip is bad and another his right, we’re good. In fact is a 5m concession on the soft cap.

          • Bob Buttons

            You could always sign more but they’d have to forfeit a second round pick.

      • LK

        I don’t think Napoli was a great fit. He’s pretty expensive for what would end up being a part-time DH, and I doubt he would’ve wanted to come to NYY when other teams were offering the chance to play the field.

        • Barry

          He’s not really that expensive.

      • Pat D

        There are other more important things you could…ahem, have used.

      • jesse

        Should of signed Napoli!

      • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

        How? Napoli is not really even a catcher, he does not play many games there and is not good at the position. He is actually a 1B(DH?) that is put called a catcher to boost his value. For example, the Red Sox do not really even have a starting catcher and they want Napoli to play 1B

        • Barry
          • Get Phelps Up

            Look at his other seasons.
            Which one is the likely outlier?

          • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

            I’m looking at it…. 57 games at catcher? Thanks for proving my point without making me do work! You also gave me the backing for a new point I am about to make which is he only played 113 games that year while our 1B played 156 and our catcher played 118 games at catcher out of his 125(he played 125 games at catcher but only started 118)

            • Barry

              And that changes the fact that this team could use an impact bat how? I said that we should sign Napoli because A) he was very reasonably priced, and B) his contract pays out it’s top dollar only when he plays enough. How would he of been a bad player for this team? He can fake C but is a better DH, so he could catch a few games a week when there is an exceptionally tough opposing SP and our offense needs a boost by erasing Cervelli and Stewart from the line-up for those games and having a stronger hitter (than Cervelli or Stewart) play DH.

              • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

                where does he fit? we hae a 1B 10x better than him and we need to rotate the DH plus he has a messed up hip and injury problems

                • Barry

                  How do you figure we NEED to rotate the DH? Jeter will need time off.. that’s it. Jeter played 135 games in the field last year btw. So you put Napoli at C, Jeter at DH, Nunez at SS. You could do the same rotation insert different name for Jeter. A-Rod may be out for the entire season. Napoli would fit perfectly.

                  • jjyank

                    A-Rod may also not be out for the entire season. Playing Youkilis every day at third is just asking for a DL stint. Granderson is getting up there in age and might need some time at DH every once in awhile. Tex could use a few DH reps, and even Cano every once in awhile.

                    I don’t know how you can assume Jeter is the only player who might need time at DH. That’s a lot of players to rotate around. I have no regrets about passing on Napoli at all.

                    • Barry

                      OK and you can insert their names to DH and slide Napoli to C or give him a day off on those days. Napoli would replace a lot of the production we lost from Swisher and Martin would he not?

                    • jjyank

                      In a vacuum, yes. But I think you’re oversimplifying things. For a prime example of needing a DH who can play the field more than like, twice a week, we need only to review the 2012 season.

                    • Barry

                      Yes but for a relatively decent price you could provide good production, better than you’d get for what the prices of FAs were this offseason. I’m not saying he’s an excellent player but I do think he does fit, just as well if not better than Morse.

                    • jjyank

                      I disagree. I’d rather have Morse. If Napoli’s hip is bad enough to make his price so attractive, that just makes me all the more eager to pass on him.

                    • Barry

                      To each his own but we’ve taken on much more risk for players in the past. Nick Johnson comes to mind right away.

      • MannyGeee

        But A Rod with a bad hip is the anti Christ. Napoli with the same bad hip is A OK?

        Seems legit

        • dalelama

          I don’t think Napoli is scamming us for $28M this year either.

          • Get Phelps Up

            Right, instead Johan Santana is scamming you for $24M.

  • Bob Buttons

    A short list of random injuries

    Some of the best includes:
    Clint Barmes injured himself carrying a large steak Todd Helton gave him
    Burnett got some fingernail injury
    Pavano injuring himself shoveling snow
    Kevin Brown injured himself punching a wall
    Rivera injured himself shagging flyballs
    Glenallen Hill injured himself while trying to escape a nightmare about spider
    Padres pitcher Adam Eaton missed a start after stabbing himself in the stomach with a small knife while trying to cut the shrink wrap off a DVD
    Ruben Sierra once showed up to the ballpark with a sprained ankle, thanks to chasing his daughter on a mall escalator.
    Glavine broke a rib in 1992 after vomiting up airplane food.
    Mark Smith (Orioles)
    Injured his hand after sticking it in an air conditioner to “find out why it wasn’t working.”
    Roger Craig (Giants)
    Cut his hand on a bra strap … though we’re guessing that’s pain he played through.

    Bonus: Rey Quinones (Seattle)
    Once was unavailable for pinch hitting duty, because he had already returned to the clubhouse … to play Nintendo.

    More at:
    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....ell/040524
    http://espn.go.com/page2/s/holloman/020307.html

    • jjyank

      Those are hilarious. Sounds like Rey Quinones would have fit in perfect with the 2011 Red Sox! ZIIIIING!

    • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

      Freddy Garcia cut himself with a kitchen knife in 2010 I do believe

      • jesse

        2011, but yes, I remember that well.

        • Cris Pengiucci

          And, of course, Joba’s ankle injury on a trampoline with his son.

          • Bob Buttons

            Moral of that story is don’t spend so much time with your kids.

            That or adults shouldn’t play with kids toys.

    • Henry Krinkle

      Former Yankee Henry Cotto burst his ear drum when he was cleaning his ear with a Q tip and Ken Griffey Jr. bumped into him.

  • Captain’s Gift Basket

    So, being at my office on a flippin’ friday at this hour… SUCKS!!!

    • Bob Buttons

      Sorry to hear that.

      Look on the bright side, you get free dinner (right?)

      • Barry

        The old saying, “nothing’s really free” must apply.

        • Bob Buttons

          Some places have both overtime pay and free dinner, as far as I know.

          • Barry

            I’m one of those guys that always takes the free shift myself. I figure as long as I’m working I’m not spending money so I’m winning! Plus it’s hard to do something stupid at work, whereas; for me, it’s easy to do something stupid on a Friday night when not at work(in the past anyway).

            • Bob Buttons

              The addition by subtraction (or technically addition by subtraction of subtraction)

  • trr

    I wish Hal Steinbrenner would miss the entire 2013 season…

  • Blake

    I know it’s fun to bash Arod and his contract (and it is bad of course) but I do think it’s important to remember who Arod was when he signed it.

    In the winter of 2007 Arod was the best player in the world still….he was coming off a season where he put up a 9.7 fWAR and a 175 wRC+…..he has never really been hurt…. There was no steroid admission….and Alex was gonna be the guy to save baseballs records from the evil Barry Bonds…. And he was gonna do it in pinstripes….that was the story in 2007 when the inexperienced Steinbrenner bros (mainly Hank) let Boras play them like a fiddle and sign that contract.

    It looks horrible now….and it wasn’t smart at the time given his age….but if you try and look beyond what we know in hindsight and just look at what we knew in 2007 then it’s more understandable IMO…..

    What’s worse is that the Angels had an example of what not to do right in front of them with Arod and they signed Pujols to a similar contract anyways…..now that was dumb

    • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

      This

    • jjyank

      Yeah…I mean nobody is going to argue that it was a smart contract at the time. But A-Rod was on his way (at the time) to being the best player of his generation.

      • Blake

        Yes…..it’s went totally sideways since then but the Yanks didnt know it would at the time.

        It was a perfect storm of things that led to that contract……Alex had tons of leverage….Hal and Hank hasn’t been in control very long and probably were afraid to lose their best player…etc.

        It’s easy to look at Alex now and say man how did they sign this guy to that contract….well they didnt …they signed the guy he was 5 years ago to that contract and 5 years ago Arod was super good….

      • Barry

        He’s still one of the best of his generation, as was Bonds, as was Clemens. Steroids happened, they still happen. Lack of integrity, yes, but no one did anything then and no one really does anything about it now. (apart from suspending the player they rarely catch)

        Maybe the MLBPA needs to change things so that when a player is caught doing something that destroys the game’s integrity they should forfeit more than serving a suspension.

        • MannyGeee

          Good luck with telling the MLBPA that they should do anything where players give back money…

    • dalelama

      It was still a stupid extension as was pointed out by many including myself at the time. Should have let him walk as the number of WS titles he delivered was 0. He was and remains the Chokemaster General.

      • jjyank

        Yeah, it’s a real bummer the Mets haven’t won in so long.

  • Cris Pengiucci

    I got an e-mail today informing me that I was selected in the lottery to purchase tickets to the Yankees/Rockies games at Coors Field in May. Getting to see the Yankees even without going to NY!! (of course, I do need to watch the Rockies as well in order to see the Yankees …)

    • Barry

      How much is beer at Coors? It’s supposed to be a decent venue anyway so you can’t go wrong. My favorite place to see games are at AAA Scranton/W-B, and that baseball is hard to watch sometimes.

      • Bob Buttons
        • Barry

          Excellent link, surprised to see the Yankees are so low? Must be the absolute cheapest brew. Very good link.

      • RetroRob

        Plus, because of the altitude, every beer is like two in NY.

        • Cris Pengiucci

          Not when you live here. Then a beer is like a beer.

    • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

      Is there still a way to enter this lottery system or buy individual tickets to just the Yankee series without having to purchase a Mini-Package of games?

  • Cris Pengiucci

    Not sure on beer prices. Haven’t been there since the Yankees last played out here (’08?), but it is a nice venue and the most expensive seats are $125. Not too bad.

    • Cris Pengiucci

      Should have been a reply to Barry.

    • Barry

      Yeah, sounds like Camden, excellent venue and compared to YSIII actually affordable for an excellent baseball experience. It’s even fun to root for the O’s when they aren’t playing the Yankees, great fans.

    • Bob Buttons

      Lucky for you Coors Field is one of the cheapest.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        And we have a lot of excellent micro (and not so micro) brews here in CO. Bristol Brewing Company (Fat Tire and others) among them.

  • Herby

    Much better clip than last night, always nice to see something involving Jorge, I missed him on the team last year. Pedro still goes down like bad chicken.

  • Barry

    Who signs Lohse?

  • Bob Buttons

    Well this is a first, a Cuban player making himself OLDER instead of younger.

    From MLBTR:
    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....edina.html
    Major League Baseball is investigating the age of Cuban shortstop Aledmys Diaz, multiple sources told Ben Badler of Baseball America. Diaz is presenting himself as a 23-year-old but his birthdate conflicts with previous accounts that would make him 22 or 21. The age difference is crucial for Diaz as Cuban players with at least three years of professional experience in Cuba and who are at least 23 are exempt from the capped bonus pools.

  • UpState

    If we need to trade for a ‘post A-Rod” third baseman….
    any thoughts on acquiring any of these minor leaguers ???

    Rendon —– Nationals
    Davidson — D-Backs
    Gallo——— Rangers
    Cuthbert—- Royals
    Castellano– Detroit
    Gyorko——- San Diego

    • Bob Buttons

      Supposedly Castellanos is a bad fielder and would cost a lot

    • Barry

      I don’t know if it’d be worth the price in prospects considering A-Rod isn’t going anywhere anytime soon.

    • jesse

      This is a pretty insane hypothetical, but here it goes…

      Jedd Gyorko is an intriguing option, as he can play 3B and some 2B, but mostly 3B. I’d have to imagine going forward A-Rod will be spending more and more time at DH. When A-Rod is DHing, Gyorko can play 3B, and when A-Rod plays 3B, they can have Gyorko play 2B if Cano leaves. They could then have someone like David Adams or Corban Joseph play 2B when Gyorko is at 3B and A-Rod is DHing.

      In fact, since Joseph is a LHH, he could work best in this scenario. Against righties, have A-Rod DH, Gyorko at 3B, and Joseph at 2B. Against lefties, you can have A-Rod at 3B Gyorko at 2B, Joseph on the bench, and then have Jeter DH and I guess Nunez at SS.

      Of course this is moot for 2013 as Youkilis is in the way, but I’m just kind of thinking out loud here. It does involve guys like Gyorko, Joseph, and Nunez who are all cheap (Gyorko and Joseph more-so than Nunez) so it should fit under Plan $189MM.

      • dalelama

        How f*cked is it we are stuck with Adouche and Cano might leave. That perfectly sums up how screwed we are.

  • UpState

    …being ‘blocked’ at ML level ?
    …available ?
    …good targets ?

  • ARodasaurus

    All you A-Rod haters now, please remember this when he’s breaking Bonds & Aaron’s records in a few years.

    He’s still Alex Rodriguez, when healthy, one of the top 3 baseball talents in the world.

    • Barry

      I don’t know if you could say top 3 even if he’s healthy after 2013. There are a lot of great players in the world at this moment that are better than A-Rod.

      • Barry

        When he was younger, yes.

      • ARodasaurus

        Name them, pitchers don’t count…they do one thing well

        All around talent, with producing at the plate valued highly (as always).

        • Bob Buttons

          Since A-Rod doesn’t run that well anymore I’ll basically ignore runnning.

          Trout, Harper, David Wright, Evan Longoria, Ryan Zimmerman, etc.

          • ARodasaurus

            I’ll give you Trout (he was one of my top 3).

            Not that steals are that indicative of speed, but you know A-Rod had more SB than Longoria and Zimmerman, and only few less than Harper and Wright. I’d rate ARod’s base running ability as above average as well.

            Plus, give me a healthy A-Rod hitting cleanup over any of those guys next year…

            • Bob Buttons

              A-Rod’s bad speed isn’t as good as back then, so until he proves that he can still slug 95 MPH fastballs, I’ll take any of those guys over A-Rod hitting cleanup.

              • Bob Buttons

                bat speed*

          • MannyGeee

            Longoria is not better than A Rod when both are healthy. That said, I will assume you won’t see too many days when these two guys are both healthy and active…

          • dalelama

            Cano

    • Herby

      I don’t hate him, but I’d be kind of surprised if he passes Barry at this point, would love to see it happen, but don’t expect it will.

      • dalelama

        Highly doubtful….now without his juice is nothing that special.

  • UpState

    not a hater at all !!!

    ..just trying to think ahead if A-Rod can’t comeback to play 3B & only DH.

    Hoping someone might have better knowledge of these young 3B players ?

    Good, bad, ugly, unavailable, great idea,…whatever ???

  • Ethan

    Do your worst? That sounds like a challenge. So… politics/religion anyone?

    • Bob Buttons

      I’m bored, so let’s talk about an imaginary theocratic state.

  • UpState

    Notre Dame ?

  • Blake

    Guy the Yanks might should check on is Evan Gattis. With the Upton trade he is blocked for years and he’s 27 years old with nowhere to play….RH power bat that can play LF ok and catch a little (though not good)…..seems like he’s probably expendable to the Braves now and could be a fit for the Yanks at some point

    • Barry

      Wow, 18 HR in 74 games and he doesn’t strike out too much plus draws walks. I guess the only concern is that all of those came below AAA at an older age than the competition. Either way he does have pop. He’d be worth picking up for the right price.

      • MannyGeee

        He sounds like Future Hall of Famer Ronnier Mustieller , minus the Cubanism. So, not sure how to feel.

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

    http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas.....these-days

    Does anyone know if this stuff is real? Even if it took 50 takes, it’s pretty freaking impressive. I love Manziel by the way. Reminds me of when Doug Flutie was at BC. You never wanted to miss a play because something amazing could happen.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    I had fun watching the Devils, who were FINALLY on MSG, meaning I could watch them on my TV for once.

    It was a good game, and a nice win. Wow, I REALLY missed hockey.

  • Havok9120

    Two thoughts this evening:

    1) What the heck happened in the Cashman thread about ARod? It wasn’t news, and when I left the house, an hour after it had gone up, almost no comments were in it. Now it’s over 100. Yikes.

    2) Crown Maple Whiskey should die in a fire. Two pulls of it three hours ago has resulted in my hands and breath smelling like raw maple syrup, as if I was exuding the stuff from my pores.

    • jjyank

      Oh wow. I missed most of that thread. Riddled with the stench of dalelama’s wretched comments. Gross.