Poll: Voiding A-Rod’s Contract

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I feel like this poll was inevitable. There has been so much talk — speculation more than anything — about the possibility of the Yankees voiding Alex Rodriguez‘s contract in the wake of the latest PED scandal that I want to see how many people actually believe it will happen.

Yesterday I wrote about the process the Yankees will have to wade through to make voiding A-Rod‘s deal possible, which begins with waiting for MLB to finish their investigation. That is going to take a while. Jeff Passan reported last night that the league will soon interview the players mentioned in the report and has a contingent traveling to Florida today to speak to the people at the Miami New Times, which broke the story. Those are steps one and two of many.

Regardless of whether you think it will actually happen — or if the Yankees will even seriously attempt it — voiding A-Rod’s contract will be extremely difficult. Remember, there was talk about voiding Jason Giambi‘s contract following his PED revelations a few years ago, and that proved to be so difficult the team didn’t even take a real shot at it. Granted, Giambi was owned much less at the time than A-Rod is now, which changes things.

No matter what happens, A-Rod will not return to the team for quite some time thanks to his latest hip surgery. There’s a non-zero chance he will never play for the Yankees again, either because the injury is so debilitating that he can’t play anymore (highly unlikely given the way the team and doctor spoke following the procedure) or because the contract is voided.

Will the Yankees void A-Rod's contract?
Total Votes: 3311 Started: January 31, 2013 Back to Vote Screen
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  • MartinRanger

    Depends on what you mean by ‘buyout’. Might Alex’s camp let them go with 100 million in the bank?

    It doesn’t do Alex much good to stay here in this environment. But he’s not retiring and the contract is not going to be voided wholesale.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      MLBPA doesn’t allow players to take paycuts as part of a buyout, they have to just restructure the money (defer a bunch of it, etc.). The Mets will pay Jason Bay every cent they owe him, just spread over a few more years.

      • MartinRanger

        Well, there’s a first time for everything, and the union is not as strong as it has been.

        But I agree it’s unlikely, Mike.

        • RetroRob

          It’s not?

      • Mark in VT

        Mike, after a buyout like that where the money is deferred over a bunch of years, how does the salary tax work? Is it counted through those years or from the original contract?

      • Chris

        what are the rules around deferment, as it would work as an indirect pay cut?

      • chris

        That may be true but he could “retire” for this entire season. The Yankees pay him 80 mill or so in a “good faith move” and then in 2014 he says he is back 100% healthy and is a Free Agent.

        • RetroRob

          I wonder is that’s a possibility.

          Could the Yankees come to an agreement with A-Rod that he retires prior to the 2013 season, but convert let’s say 80% of what’s owed into a personal services contract spread over ten years, or some other defined period. That removes the $27.5M for luxury tax purposes, and since he’s retired, I don’t think the union has any say in his post-playing deal with the Yankees. Then next year, A-Rod announces he’s coming out of retirement. His personal-services deal with the Yankees goes on hold until he retires again, but now he can sign a new deal with another team and continue on playing baseball.

          I have no idea if any of this is possible.

          I can’t believe I’m actually participating in this line of thinking, but it’s the question of the day, so what the heck.

    • Laz

      But what does that accomplish if Arod is somewhat healthy. It won’t be hard for him to be worth the extra $3M aav that that would equate to, if he can handle everyday DH duties.

  • CountryClub

    I’m not sure how they’ll do it (buyout, void, trade – eating most of deal), release) but I’m thinking Arod is done playing for the Yanks.

    I’m not saying I’d be shocked if he played for them again. But I would be mildly surprised.

  • Dr. Bosh’s List

    Being a huge AROD fan since forever. All I wanted post 2009 from this guy, was one quiet year of.300/30/100. Clearly it was clearly too much to ask.

    • Dr. Bosh’s List

      Excuse the “clearly” part. Im too distraught.

  • pounder

    Let him rot on the bench.Betcha he’ll find moving on more attractive then.

    • Mark in VT

      Then during every game the announcers will have to comment on him, just like during the playoffs. No thanks. I want this story over. I’m hoping for a buyout or a trade.
      Thanks ARod for so many good memories. Too bad it had to end this way.

      • jsbrendog

        seriously, even if he was on roids in 09 i don’t care cause it was fun to watch and they won. haha

      • Junior

        That is when he starts flirting with random girls behind the dugout.

    • Herby

      Permanent member of the 60 day DL. I’m still curious how the actual story plays out though.

    • Evan3457

      Can’t. He still has the HR incentives clauses in the contract. Punitively benching him denies him the opportunity to earn them, if he’s actually healthy.

      A-Rod, his agent, his lawyers and the MLBPA and their lawyers would scream bloody murder over that, and more importantly, they’d easily win the grievance that followed.

  • Bo Knows

    ESPN made note of the Giambi incident and noted that the reason that failed was that it had clauses in his contract made it impossible to do so (I’m assuming moral clause exemptions).

    It’s not likely, but if Arod’s contract doesn’t contain anything similar then it is possible they could void the deal.

  • blake

    Either way it doesn’t help the budget for tax purposes to buy Alex out…they’d still owe him 27.5 million per towards the luxury tax.

    I don’t think there is any way they can void the deal unless they can prove some hail mary fraud case against him and that’s pretty unlikely cause the union will fight it to the death.

    Honestly I think this will die down for awhile….Alex will rehab and then the Yankees will eat most of his contract and trade him, either that or his rehab will fail and he will medically retire and the Yanks will work a buy out….which wouldn’t help the luxury tax but they’d get some insurance money.

    • Laz

      Don’t think they are going to get fair value by trading him at this point. Last year he proved he can still be productive. This is a player that they need to get rid of at all costs like burnett.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        How in the world are we bringing AJ Burnett into this?

      • Blake

        It’s hard to say what his value is….I honestly don’t know. Before this latest injury he was still one of the better 3B in baseball…, nothing like he used to be….but a diminished Alex was still better than 2/3 of the 3b in the game.

        Now will 2 bum hips and all this other mess it’s just hard to say….I don’t think he will ever wear pinstripes again…..just too much has happened now between the playoffs and this

  • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Mark Teixeira – Ghostbuster (formally Drew)

    Mike the picture you attached to this post is perfect. Please get the one of Alex getting fed popcorn at the Superbowl as the open thread on Sunday.

  • Mike HC

    Who knows how this is all going to end up. I guess I am hoping for some kind of a relatively amicable buyout rather than a long drawn out fight. The Yanks did kind of get what they deserved though handing out this ridiculous contract to him in the first place.

  • Ross

    Innocent until proven guilty, right?
    How easy would it be for a shifty, drug dealer(sorry: fountain of youth provider) to use pseudonyms for his patients? And, wouldn’t it be a better smokescreen to use the names of people who are already known to have used other drugs?

    If Alex says he has no connection to this guy (as does Gio Gonzalez … and he’s had no previous connection to steroids, etc.), we should be waiting for all the facts to come out.

    That said, here are my thoughts:
    1. Steroids happened … it brought the sport back … get over it. Denying entry into the HOF for suspected use is stupid and it denies honoring the people who made a small difference in my life when I grew up.
    2. Make stiffer penalties to go along with the blood testing and maybe the blood testing will go away in a decade.
    3. Look at how fast A-Rod’s body broke down. Hopefully he won’t meet an untimely demise like some other sports figures. But, in the words of Airplane: He bought his ticket … People who ingest ANYTHING should know there are always consequences.
    4. The press is way too cavalier with character assassination. I used to like sports because achievement was sensationalized. Now, it’s just like TMZ with equipment.
    5. Salaries are too high. When that much money is at stake, you’re going to have people finding ways to cheat the system. Maybe, if salaries come down, we can focus on the corporate crooks who have made the game impure by charging $200 for 4 seats and $13 for a hotdog and a soda.

    • jsbrendog

      1. yeah, pretty much for the first sentence. no agreement whatsoever on the second sentence.

      2. yeah, but the mlbpa delayed blood testing this long, good luck with that bud (no selig pun intended)

      3. yeah, never wish real life harm on anyone.

      4. yup, press is insane. all about $$ which means clicks/hits/buys/ads which come from clicks/hits

      5. yes they’re too high. you’re crazy if you think they’re ever coming down. and it is called supply and demand bud. If you don’t like it become a fan of another team/move. move to baltimore, their seats are cheap, their concessions are cheap, and you can buy beer til the 9th inning starts. supply and demand, bud.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        He might mean sports salaries in general. This is usually a dead end issue, but no human being should make “A-Rod money.” We accept it almost because our minds can’t actually conceive that much money.

        I agree with your your agreement here.

        • Evan in NYC

          I disagree with you completely. They should get paid whatever it is they can. You would, wouldn’t you? If you don’t like it – then don’t go to their games, don’t pay for their TV package, heck – don’t watch the games. But to say “No one should make ARod money” is silly. If people weren’t paying their prices to go into the gate, watch them on TV (advertising dollars) and buy their jerseys – they wouldn’t be making that kind of money. But ownership across the league can justify it because of what they bring in 10-fold for what they pay them. It’s an investment like anything else. It’s all relative.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            This is why this argument is always a dead end. No one here would want me to take the next logical step in this, which be to cite the average teacher or social worker’s salary, which is worthy argument to have, but one I’m not wasting my breath on with some stranger on the internet.

            • Steve

              Why would the average teacher or social worker’s salary be relevant? Sure it’s better, more noble work. But there are literally thousands if not millions of people that do those professions and thousands more that could. A professional athlete is in the top 1% of his profession in the world and is getting paid for their elite skillset. They do things that others can’t. Teachers, social workers, police officers, firefighters, etc., don’t.

              And believe me, as the son of two teachers and the husband of another, I certainly wish they were paid like athletes.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                Why part of “dead end argument” do you people not understand?

                • Steve

                  A classy, necessary and correctly spelled response. Maybe you can make a meme out of why part us people don’t understand.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    I’m not having this discussion. Feel free to have the last word below.

                • jsbrendog

                  DEAD END JERRY!!!

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    Holy fuck, oldtimer.

            • Evan in NYC

              Listen, if you show me a world where those who shape the minds of young children are paid millions, and those who entertain us are paid thousands – then sign me up. But unfortunately that’s not the world that we live in.

              I was just making the comment that your point of “no human should make ARod money” is ludicrous. They are paid that much money because the amount of ROI (return on investment) that ownership makes off of them is justifiable.

              These people are entertainers – and they will be paid these salaries as long as people are sitting in the seats, and watching on TV, and buying jerseys. I don’t know how many jerseys the NJ Teachers Union sold last year, but I bet it wasn’t a lot.

          • Slappy McWaterbug

            My only addition to this pointless conversation is to say SOMEONE is going to make ‘A-Rod money’, whether it’s the owners or players or someone else. The league is generating revenue, absent giving the excess money to charity or burning it I don’t know how you can divvy up money to make all the people who complain about large compensation packages happy.

    • George

      Sadly, people now want to believe a drug dealer who admits to breaking the law, rather than the people he claimed to supply, without waiting for proof one way or the other. And of course attach the names to get the headlines. Why can’t we wait for the results of an investigation? As for the HOF, why not adjust the records of players who can be proven to have used PEDs by the amount that the drug enhanced their performance, if anyone knows what that amount would be.

      • jsbrendog

        because everyone used “peds”

        babe ruth ate horse tranquilizers

        mickey mantle housed greenies like not other

        ty cobb stabbed a guy!

  • jsbrendog

    this was interesting even though it means nothing and the “source” is probably a janitor

    http://www.nydailynews.com/spo.....bled=false

    • Mike HC

      I thought the most interesting line in that article was:

      “If he was not truthful when baseball officials interviewed him several times over the past years about his involvement with steroids and human growth hormone, commissioner Bud Selig would have the power under the collectively bargained drug agreement to increase the suspension.”

      MLB is definitely in a bit of uncharted territory here.

      • jsbrendog

        right? like, does bud make an example of him and go H.A.M.? what do you do….

      • CP

        I thought this was the most interesting part:

        According to numerous baseball sources, the hip surgery Rodriguez is now recovering from will likely derail his playing career, leaving him in such a diminished role that he may consider a settlement or an outright retirement.

        Before the steroid allegations, the hip surgery was very likely to be successful. Now, it’s suddenly career ending?

        • Evan in NYC

          Maybe this will be one of those ‘Jordan/Stern’ things where it’s kinda – hey Alex, why don’t you leave the game now – this is a great opportunity.

        • Herby

          It certainly does sound like a way to get around the contract issue, and possibly giving him a way out as gracefully as it could possibly at this point if he wanted to go that route.

        • Slappy McWaterbug

          I was thinking about that too. The thought that entered my mind if the hip surgery was so ‘derailing’ was that the Yankees downplayed it for negotiating leverage. They didn’t want to have to go into a thin market and have the free agents know that they had no plausible third baseman.

          I don’t know, just trying to rationalize. I am hopeful for the easiest way out for everyone. I think Alex is a scumbag, but I don’t want to see him get crucified every night. Obviously the Yankees would benefit, so I’m just being hopeful.

  • ken

    I’m sure everyone said it can’t be done to Curt Flood. he tried and won,

    • LK

      You’re going to have to do some work to draw parallels between the two situations other than the fact that baseball is involved, because that’s the only one I can see.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I don’t think he needs to draw parallels at all. I think he’s simply saying there have been uncharted situations that have been overcome before in baseball. That’s all.

        • LK

          Sure. But the scenarios literally could not be more different.

          When Curt Flood played, MLB owners had an antitrust exemption from the US government which made them exempt from competition, and they gave the players essentially no rights at all, whether it was choosing their employer or bargaining over their salary. Curt Flood challenged what was an obviously unfair system that had oppressed him and managed to win.

          The Yankees are not the victim in any sense here. They bargained for a contract and no one forced them to sign it.

          Citing Curt Flood in this situation is no different than saying “unexpected things have happened before.” Yes, of course they have. There’s still absolutely no reason to think the Yankees have a leg to stand on in terms of voiding this contract.

          • CP

            The Yankees are Curt flood was not the victim in any sense here. They He bargained for a contract and no one forced them to sign it.

            • LK

              You do realize that back in the day teams literally assigned salaries to players in a take-it-or-leave it fashion, yes?

            • LK

              Also, I think you’d have more of a point if the US government had granted A-Rod an antitrust exemption.

    • Mister D

      Curt Flood lost.

  • cashmoney

    Voiding A-Rod’s Contract

    NOT HAPPENING.

    • jsbrendog

      so you’re saying there’s a chance….

  • Slu

    There are two likely option in my opinion.

    1. Nothing happens and he comes back an collects his cash. He will not be liked, but $117 million can help with that.

    2. The Yankees release him and pay him in full.

    Everything else is extremely unlikely. The only thing I believe is guaranteed to happen is Alex gets every penny of his contract.

    • Mike HC

      I think him getting a suspension is a legitimate option, not sure how “likely” it is though. And in that case, he will not receive every penny of that contract.

    • Mark in VT

      I think a buyout is very likely. If the MLB investigation doesn’t show his complete innocence (which it won’t because everyone assumes he’s guilty no matter what), then the PR for the Yanks will be a nightmare – unless he comes back at 100% and has a historic season. I don’t believe he can not only bounce back from the surgery, but I think his best days are behind even at 100%. Therefore I think they will want to cut ties with him and eat his salary.

      • jsbrendog

        even if he has a historic season it will be “because he is still on the juice” even if he passes every test and has an independent film maker follow him for an entire yr recording his every move.

      • ken

        lived in burlington, vt 50 years b4 moving, boy do i miss it. how’s the snow.

  • Jamey

    You should have added an option for “Yes, they’ll find a way. Then trade for Josh Hamilton and then Felix Hernandez & Jesus Montero and what about seeing if Tigers would move Miggy for prospects. I’ll hang up & listen”.

    • cashmoney

      you forgot Arod’s centaur portrait for Stanton.

      • jsbrendog

        R.I.P. fWAR Centaur

  • JLevs

    Maybe someone can answer me but could they just tell ARod that he can ride the pine for the next 5 years because we’re just not going to play you? I know it burns a bench spot but if he knows he won’t be playing at all maybe he tries to work something out with a buyout.

    • Jobu

      Why wouldn’t they just outright him off the 40 man and let him rot in the minors?

      • JLevs

        I don’t think they can just outright him to the minors because of how long he’s been in the league.

    • Jamey

      I have a hard time seeing even A-Rod’s most staunch detractors in the front office deciding to pay him $30 million to sit on the bench. Which he would do no matter the shit storm it created because the fact that this guy couldn’t care less about looking ridiculous has been made perfectly clear. So his options would come down to “Get paid an insane amount of money to sit the bench” or “walk away with just some of the money I’m owed & maybe never see another MLB paycheck again or at very least never see anything above incentive laden veteran contracts”. He’d gladly ride the pine & give interviews talking about how he doesn’t understand it, he just wants to help the team & not to mention how this would be perceived to free agents who may see it as an example of how the Yankee organization will treat them if they break down or ran into trouble. “So if I get hurt or decline you’re going to try to embarrass me into walking away too?”

      • dalelama

        Well if it deters cheaters from joining the team great!!!

        • SammySosasBleachingCream

          You really are an obsessed maniac. You act as if ARod’s the only played in baseball who’s done PEDs.
          I doubt you’re even a Yankees fan.

    • OldYanksFan

      I would play ARod in 2013 on the slight chance he comes back above average. If not, this is what I think should be done, especially as the Yanks have little chance in 2014 anyway.

      Tell ARod he will not play, except for one or two PH spots a month… just so the fans can boo him.

      I believe if ARod is convinced the Yanks are serious, and he will not play anymore, he will accept a buyout to be a FA.

      It does burn a roster spot, but my guess is ARod will request a buyout before the season is over. I’m pretty sure they can’t ship him to the minors without his permission.

    • Evan3457

      Unfortunately, The Deal that Hank Made is the gift that just keeps on giving. If A-Rod is not suspended, and if he is healthy, then the Yankees’ attempt to bench A-Rod would be seen, and rightly so, as a punitive attempt by the team to keep him from earning the HR incentives that Hank gave him.

      A-Rod, his agent, his lawyers, the MLBPA and their lawyers would scream bloody murder, and more importantly, would win the ensuing grievance. Easily.

  • A.D.

    What is a 2013 buy-out from an AAV/luxury tax implication?

    • Evan3457

      None. If they pay him, the AAV and luxury tax remains.

  • trr

    would love to remove this millstone from around our necks, but I don’t see it happening

    • MannyGeee

      Off Topic: Boston Mayor Tom Menino, who is a famous marble mouth and routinely mis-pronounces names of co workers, athletes and public figures, once referred to something as “An Alcatraz around the city’s neck”… Not an “albatross”, but an Alcatraz.

      • Cris Pengiucci

        At least he didn’t allow his city to be “pigeon-toed into a corner”. (a comment from someone working at a high level that I have contact with at work. And there are many other similar ones.)

  • nsalem

    Agreed, We need more information. If indeed Alex is guilty of PED use again, I think the Yankee’s should go all out in voiding his contract. I hope the next CBA will allow owners to void contracts of PED users who are found to be guilty after due process If he is guilty more evidence will be forthcoming. Besides shady doctors Alex is employed by an ownership who in the past went to incredibly sleazy lengths to worm their way out of the Dave Winfield contract. This story is very convenient for the organization on the heel of the Cashman quotes last week and I believe they are as desperate to get rid of A-Rod as A-Rod is desperate to find his youth again. I think fans and the press should waiting for more evidence before coming to conclusions.

    • jsbrendog

      you cannot say this ownership did that. they were prob in college and doing cocaine when george was doing that, making winfield completely irrelevant.

      • nsalem

        Unless the apple didn’t fall too far from the tree.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        This.

        Not that nsalem has personally said this before, but you can’t say these aren’t daddy’s Yankees anymore and then abscribe stuff like Howie Spira to them.

        • nsalem

          This ownership is dysfunctional in many the same ways that George’s was and I think they would go to great lengths to get out of this contract which was Hal’s doing.

          • jsbrendog

            and what ways are those? go on. please, share. i’ll wait.

            ::Waits::

  • jim p

    I still favor having the Steinbrenners declared non compos mentis at the time they signed the 10-year deal. It’s a prima facie case, and they should win.

    Otherwise… our only out is if A-Rod retires or takes a buy-out. Does either one give us any luxury tax relief? I don’t know.

    In the real world, he stays on, and he’s a utility player. After all if the charges he was juicing 2009-2012 are true and he’s been in steady decline since 2010, what’s he going to produce without the juice?

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I actually voted the buyout option, not because I think that’s literally what happens, but because I think something beyond my current imagination will happen in which Alex and the team do not finish this contract, and that this will happen before the issue of voiding the contract is decided.

    Source for this? Purely my ass.

    • jsbrendog

      has your ass ever been right before? I’m going to guess it is usually just oh so wrong.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I’m eating some Trinidadian doubles right now. My guess is that it might be WAY wrong in about an hour.

  • MannyGeee

    I am starting to wonder if (like much of you above) this whole thing is a big BS fest. Not doubting in my mind that A Rod is dumb enough to continue using. But this whole thing is starting to feel like Duke Lacrosse.

    Some things are just not lining up.

    • Jim Is Bored

      The sad thing is even if it is, it’s going to be irrelevant. A-Rod can’t win anymore. I don’t see any scenario where he comes out smelling like roses, even if this story is completely proven false, he comes back at the ASB and hits 20 HRs in the 2nd half, leading the Yanks to another WS.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Look at what’s happened already. This story was literally printed in the Miami New Times in between the quasi-questionnable “classified ads” and the review for what restaurant opened down there which was hot in NYC five years ago.

        I’m not saying discount the New Times…..at all, but it’s the fucking Miami New Times. If you squint, it’s their version of the Village Voice.

        • trr

          It is, isn’t it?

          Anyway, at this point this is still all conjecture, but it’s amazing how much negativity there is towards Rodriguez.
          Is there one blogger here who WOULDN’T want the Yanks to walk away from the contract if possible???

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I don’t mind the negativity towards him. I think that even the most pro-Alex fan is just sick of hearing about this and would feel, at the very least, some degree of negativity if this were to be true. I know this is the last news story I’d want to read about my favorite team right now other than other ridiculous extreme stuff (a player dying, for example.)

    • Herby

      It’s something I’ve wondered about from the beginning, especially with Gio’s name involved. I’d like them to be out of the contract I wish they never signed, but for the Yankee reputation standpoint I hope the story turns out to be false. Even if it does mean they have to eat a few million.

    • jsbrendog

      not that i disagree but then why the inclusion of gio gonzalez, melky, etc? a random assortment of folks…and apparently what gio was supposed to have gotten isn’t even illegal? anywhere?

  • http://rivaveblues.com doug

    It was really interesting to read the interview with Roger Clemen’s lawyer. He basically states that A-Rod and Gio, or whomever is accused, will never be able to clear their reputations whether they are guilty or not. Do I THINK he’s (A-Rod) guilty, yes. Is it a FACT, no. I’d love to see his contract voided. I think that the Yankees will look into it, won’t find any legal ground to stand on, and I expect Alex to be with the team for the remainder of his contract.
    Former Commissioner Fay Vincent said there should be a zero tolerance policy. You get caught and you’re banished from baseball for life. See how many people take the risk then. You can’t sign the big contract if you’re never allowed to play again.

  • dkidd

    i like alex, but this scandal is a gift from the universe: a chance to shed the worst contract of all time. if hal is such a bottom-line guy, he should go for the jugular. alex can sit on the bench, or work with the team to restructure the contract

  • craig

    If Alex is guilty again, I think his contract ends up getting voided or he goes for the insurance angle to get this year’s salary in full and 85% of the remaining 4 years (of course, the insurance company will fight him on that end).

    Perhaps Alex had to fill out paperwork prior to his surgery where he signed off on no steroids or HGH and that the Yankees think this could be their “out” to void the contract…all speculation, but what the heck.

  • Jim Is Bored

    I just don’t have the endurance to get worked up about a story I don’t care about two days in a row.

    I did vote with the majority, though.

  • Rizi Walnuts

    A-rod? The guy is lawyered to the hilt, so that contract is solid and unbeatable. Insurance? Pft. You think those scam artist are gonna fork over big cash? A-rod is going to have to die to make it likely. Death is fool proof.

    Maybe Miami takes him and maybe they take a Titanic of cash out the Yankee pockets as well.

    What does that leave us with?

    There’s the corner of the clubhouse, A-roddy, sit there and shut-up.

  • steves

    FWIW this whole situation is right in Randy Levine’s wheelhouse. His reason to exist in the Yankee universe is for moments like this. I fully expect for him to be both the public voice and the behind the scenes executioner of the Yankee plan to rid themselves of Arod’s contract. He may seem buffoonish when he delves into the world of player analysis but when he is in no holds barred/attack dog mode I wouldn’t bet against him being able to pull this off.

    • jsbrendog

      siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh….

      sadly, you’re right

    • Slappy McWaterbug

      I expect the Yankees to succeed against all odds to get out from A-Rod’s contract, and Randy Levine to turn around and sign A-Rod for 10/300.

  • Holy Ghost

    An article from a newspaper with a less than stellar reputation isn’t enough for Bud Selig to penalize these players nor will it be enough for the Yankees to void A-Rod’s contract.

    I’d love to see the Yankees somehow get out of their contract with A-Rod but it’s not going to happen anytime soon unless he decides to retire…

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I read somewhere on here yesterday that the New Times was being compared to AM New York, or some sort of free rag given out on the street. It’s not the New York Times, but there is an extent to which we should be questionning their reputation.

      My parallel is the Village Voice, a free publication for many years in New York which combined cultural pieces with solid attempts at investigative journalism. I read the New Times every week when I was in Miami, and there were GREAT and interesting investigative pieces on all sorts of subjects. Yes, there’s restaurant reviews and some of those classifieds in the back might be a bit sleazy, but it should never be immeidately dismissed.

      • BeanTooth

        Mike compared it to that yesterday. Struck me as a cheap-shot. New Times has papers across the country and they are some of the best muckrakers around.

        • Holy Ghost

          Even the LA Times and NY Times have been fooled by phony investigative reporting.

          The allegations are bad for the players and teams involved if true, but nothing I’ve read so far suggests that the evidence given by the article would hold up in court. It could take months, or years even before we know for certain whether or not the allegations are true…

      • Holy Ghost

        Most of the evidence is based on handwritten notes and there are discrepancies over the dates listed in the notes.

        From Slate:

        “And there may be good reason to question the evidence: The file described above gives Feb. 7, 2009 as a Monday, when it was in fact a Saturday. Another entry implicating A-Rod shows up in the “2010” book below the date Monday, Nov. 21, though the 21st fell on a Sunday in 2010. If we trust the listed days, then the records would seem to have been misfiled—those dates would match the days of the week for 2011 or 2005, not 2009 or 2010.”

        http://www.slate.com/articles/.....rowth.html

    • bkight13

      But haven’t Melky, Cruz and Grandal all failed PED tests. That would lend a lot of credence to the report.

      • BeanTooth

        Melky could shed some serious light on this story by saying where he got the goods.

      • Holy Ghost

        I don’t think name-dropping people who have already been outed as PED users lends any credence to the report.

  • Yogiism

    I’m about 99% positive being one that knows contracts all too well and factor in the public opinion of Alex and whether he really, truly, wants to expose himself to the fans after this, Arod and the Yankees work a buyout. I am actually not saying Alex is done from baseball, but I could see a scenario later this season where the Yanks and Arod work a buy out (something in the range of $40mm) and given his immediate release. Alex could in theory announce retirement following that and sit out for a season or two and then latch on (come out of retirement) with a team as a DH in 2015 for a season or two. At least try to achieve 3000 hits, which obviously has lost its luster. Out of sight, out of mind and perhaps a year or so away from the game will heal a lot of wounds.

    As it’s been stated by multiple publications that they’ll try to void the contract, I don’t see that happening. Alex certainly might be in breach of contract with misrepresentation if he willingly lied about his use of steroids, but even then, litigating that argument would take years, likely while Arod is still being paid. No, I think the Yanks go right at (once MLB concludes their investigation) and work to end the relationship at that point. While I appreciated Mike Axisa’s write up yesterday, I do actually believe that to some extent, this is the right thing for Alex to do for the fans, himself and the game of baseball. Doing anything other than negotiating a buy out really sets a precedent for the sport. While CBA protects against scenarios like this, it’s a slap in the face to the teams themselves and frankly, mocks the game to allow a player to sign massive contracts, continue a certain behavior and then pretty laugh saying “well, it’s your problem to deal with.” I do think the Arod deal will be a landmark case for the game. It’s entirely realistic to consider the MLB being involved if Arod is found guilty. Anyone who thinks that Arod will sit back and laugh and say this is my contract and “i’m owed this money” in an act of defiance and not play a single game for the Yanks any longer, is wrong. This isn’t a case of the Yankees forcefully pushing Arod away. He’s doing all the work himself. And if, in the slim chance he does do that and hold the Yanks to the deal as structured, the guy wouldn’t be able to show his face anywhere, ever, in the US again. At a minimum, he could garner a modicum of respect for at least facing what’s he brought on himself.

    There you have it…

    • Yogiism

      ..and I see the “insurance” route being the least likely option to happen. There is no chance that the insurance company would permit this without reasonable evidence of his inability to play. Plus bringing in a third party and their respective councils will only make matters worse. Again, I see a sit meeting happening with Arod, Yankee’s, MLB and the Union (along with their lawyers) and everyone coming to an agreement and signing on the dotted line. This is, in my opinion, the most likely result and Arod is just not retiring and walking away from the entire $114mm.

      • Yogiism

        ..and in the even they strike and agreement with buyout to end the contract, there isn’t a chance the players union will have shit to say about it. No chance that the union will voice or defend (for his contract) a proven abuser of steroids. It’s a slippery slope and I think a lot of the usual characters that defend players are going to sit back on this one. The players union would really be exposing themselves to a moral plight with the game if they defended Arod in this case.

  • Josh

    You know what would be interesting – if the Yanks pressed Major League Baseball to allow each team to release one player based on steroid suspicions/implications, pay them their entire remaining contract, but not have the dollars count toward the luxury tax. This would force MLB’s hand to choose cleaning up the game vs. the tax dollars they would otherwise receive. The NBA had a similar amnesty rule several years back.

    Admittedly the Yankees would stand to benefit the most from this, but I would suspect almost every team in baseball would be for this.

    You could even have the reason for release be open, but the Yanks could sell it to Bud as a way to cleanup the game. Arod would get his money but then be free to sign with any team he wanted.

    A long shot I know but so are all these other avenues to voiding the contract.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      The entire reason the luxury tax exists is to punish the Yankees.

      There’s no way MLB would let them off the hook.

  • Manny’s BanWagon (formerly Andy Pettitte’s Fibula)

    How in the world is this guy gonna take the field at Yankee stadium and pretend like everything is fine?

    I’ve been a big supporter of him but if these allegations are true, I wouldn’t spit on him if he was on fire.

  • Wil Nieves #1 Fan

    This poll was inevitable because you made it.

  • http://NYBronxBombers24-7 Brian L

    ROID=VOID!!!!!!

  • http://NYBronxBombers24-7 Brian L

    ROID=VOID!!!!!!!

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      A-VOID

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  • TLVP

    about the insurance:

    any insurance contract for $114m is not your standard contract. The underwriter is now surely aware of the risks that A-Rod will miss significant time over the next 5 years. They are on the hook to compensate the Yankees for time lost to injuries – and potentially for time lost to injuries even if the Yankees do not have to pay A-Rod because of the suspension.

    There are thus three parties who might want to reach a settlement agreement for the next few years:

    The team
    The underwriter
    A-Rod

    MLB probably wants to be rid of the issue and see A-Rod fade away

    A work out is a problem mainly for the union

    There is plenty of money on the table and it is unclear who pays what of the $114m left. If A-Rod is suspended 50 games he eats about $10m. If he is suspended longer he eats more and Bud Selig has the power to be a serious problem for A-Rod. If he is not suspended but is injured 1/3rd of the rest of the contract the underwriter pays about $40m and if the Yankees are potentially on the hook for $80-90m (given that he will miss at least a fair bit of the rest of the contract.

    An announced buyout now where the underwriter pays $20m, the Yankees pay $70m over a long period of time and A-Rod gets $90m rather than $105m and spread out might be in everybody’s interest. I would guess that the union would actually like to get A-Rod out of the limelight enough to approve it…

    • TLVP

      to clarify the $40m for the underwriter is a worst case scenario for them, the $90m is a worst case scenario for the Yankees. that is not the same scenario. A settlement is the function of everyone wanting to risk minimise. It might or it might not happen but the world is a lot more risk averse in 2013 than it was in 2007 (ask anyone in finance)

  • Gonzo

    I’m so late to this, but I just read what A-Rod’s spokesman said via the Star Ledger. Anyone else read it and think that he never flatly denied receiving drugs from Anthony Bosch? I dunno, maybe I’m being too particular. He never actually said, “I received nothing from Anthony Bosch.”

  • chris

    As soon as they get out of this contract the Yankees will turn around and say. We need a right handed power bat who has a history of power. OH LOOK! A-Rod IS AVAILABLE!

  • ken

    The definition of implied is “suggested without being directly or explicitly stated; tacitly understood:” MLB banned the use of steriods. Alex knew he was doing something mlb said was illegal.The yankees thought alex was clean and not violating the rules of mlb. He signed a contract, under false pretense.

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  • chuck

    I remember these two headlines recently. Girardi wont count Jeter out for Opening Day… and Cashman acknowledges possibility of Arod missing ’13.

    There is no way Arod is coming back.

  • RetroRob

    I know I participated in this thread, but just read through it, and man there is a lot of crazy up above.

  • FPK

    If the Yankees cannot VOID his contract, can’t they just send him to the minor leagues? Yes, he will have to pass through waivers, but who will claim him? It would be great if someone did. That may cause him to re-think his plans if he knows he will spend the next 5 years traveling around small towns in a bus.

    • Evan3457

      No. He has too many years in the majors to be sent to the minors without his consent, especially as punishment for something he denies he did.