Jan
12

Saturday Night Open Thread

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In exactly one month, pitchers and catchers will report for duty down in Tampa. It’s so close, yet so far. The Yankees still have quite a bit of work to do this offseason, so they’re going to need these next four weeks to iron things out before camp begins.

Here is your open thread for the evening. The Ravens and Broncos are still playing (on CBS), and later tonight you’ve got the Packers and 49ers (on FOX). Neither of the basketball locals are in action. Talk about the football games or anything else, you folks know how these work by now.

Categories : Open Thread
  • turd surfer

    Champ Bailey is getting eaten alive.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      34 is pretty old for a CB, even a future HOFer like Bailey.

      At this stage of his career, he’s no match physically for Torey Smith. The Broncos better give Champ some help from the safety in the 2nd half or he’s toast.

  • turd surfer

    Jason Sudeikis is engaged to Olivia Wilde. Hope for guys everywhere.

    • Bob Buttons

      Age aside I think that it’s not too lopsided.

      • turd surfer

        Not too lopsided is still lopsided right?

        • Robinson Tilapia

          If you’re still using “lopsided” in the sentence, then…

          Isn’t Sudeikis supposed to be a major ladies’ man?

          • turd surfer

            Adam Carolla had a theory that you only need to get one hot chick to date you. The rest will then flock once they hear that. The Can’t buy me Love theory.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Then I’m going to get laid like a motherfucker in the afterlife.

        • Bob Buttons

          Was trying to be civil but I personally think that Sudeikis is more handsome than Wilde is pretty.

          To me, Sudeikis is “eh” while Wilde would only get a blink from me.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I had to look her up. I’d say that’s a mighty good looking woman.

            • Bob Buttons

              Part of the blink was due to “who’s that?” Because my first thought was Oscar Wilde.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                F, Marry Kill:

                Olivia Munn
                Olivia Wilde
                Oscar Wilde

              • MannyGeee

                I would blink the shit out of Olivia Wilde…

                +1 for “13″, especially in the “wildly promiscuous and bi-curious because I am battling with my own mortality” season of House.

  • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

    I really need baseball right now it is not even funny :(

    • jjyank

      Yeah dude, I’m pining for it like crazy. My problem is that I really don’t give a shit about other sports. Football is okay, and I’ll watch the Giants when they play. Still though, that’s only once a week and they’re done anyway. I don’t even bother watching other teams, even the playoffs. Hockey is cool, but I just never really got into it. I should, I suppose, since my school was a hockey school (GO CATS GO!). I went to a ton of UVM hockey games and loved it, but I never really got into watching it pro. I hate basketball. So all I’m left with is waiting for baseball to come back.

      When the season ends, I actually like the break. I get to do other things when I get home from work, and I don’t have a time limit on running my weekend errands (assuming there’s a 1 PM day game). But after the holidays, I’m done with that break and I just want to watch baseball again.

      While I’m on that subject, I have a question for the fellow out-of-towners: Does MLB.TV broadcast spring training games? I never really bothered to find out when I had MLB.TV in college, and I moved out of market well after this past spring training.

      • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

        I love basketball but they play like 3 times a week and I am not in NY so I don’t get many knicks games + they have sucked ass this month. As for MLB.TV I want to say that they do but I have never had it during spring training

      • Get Phelps Up

        Yeah they do or at least last year they did. I remember watching the game where Andy announced his comeback on MLB.tv.

        • jjyank

          Cool, thanks. Can’t come around soon enough.

  • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

    Frank Isola has some terrible taste in music! First hating on Slick Rick and now Beyonce??? Very comical as a basketball guy but lay off the other subjects Frank

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I just noticed a two-hour argument about absolutely nothing in the Nunez thread.

    Hobbies, people. They are good for you.

    • Steve

      That’s your hero

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Nice try. I’m not as easy to bait.

        • Steve

          I’m not trying to bait you at all. He’s your guy and this is his schtick. Can’t be surprised by this point

          • jjyank

            I didn’t see it (I’ll look now out of morbid curiosity), but I assume we’re talking about Ted Nelson.

            I don’t approve of the way he gets into these monster arguments with people. I’ve been in a couple of them myself with Ted. But I generally like the things he has to say before the argument gets ridiculous. I also agree with a lot of what he has to say (about baseball, not attacks on other commenters).

            • turd surfer

              Most of the time he’s just going after low hanging fruit. Of course he’s right when he does that. That’s just juking the numbers.

              • jjyank

                Not sure I follow. I think Ted has plenty of intelligent, thoughtful things to say about baseball. He just has internet-temper. And at this point, he has a reputation that causes people to bait him, which really doesn’t help, and a relationship with people he gets into it a lot with, which makes it easier to escalate.

                • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                  I think I have to agree with you on that.

                • Robinson Tilapia

                  Dude, I have internet temper. I don’t spend two hours straight (and we’ve seen worse!) on the PC with it. At some point, you go for a walk and realize “oh, I don’t really know these people. How stupid is it that they’re pissing me off?”

                  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                    Also agree. I guess Ted has ultra-internet temper?

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      I mean, I’ve seen much worse. I’ve had run-ins with truly insane people on the internet that have honestly had me wondering whether I should be concerned for my safety….and this was people who lived on another continent.

                      Yeah, I’d say a more acute version of internet temper would be my diagnosis. It’s too bad. A calmer, funnier version of him would be such an asset on here.

                  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                    Good Point.

                    He attacked Blake and someone else unprovoked. I made one comment and then stay out.

                    Baby steps, baby steps, baby steps…..

                  • jjyank

                    Oh I know. I do too, everyone here has probably seen me go off at some point or another. I’m not defending Ted’s internet-temper. I’m just saying that while many would like to see him stop commenting and leave RAB entirely, I would not. I think he brings a lot to the discussion. I do wish he’d learn to calm the fuck down when needed, though.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      Oh, agreed 1000%.

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                      I imagine him getting all enraged after one of his uber arguments and then going out at night committing serial murders like Dexter.

                      I think he’s from the DC area so you should be careful.

                    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                      I’ve gone absolutely ballistic on here in the past. Not making any excuses about that.

                    • jjyank

                      APF, not cool dude. Not cool.

                      *locks door*

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      What was the name of that weirdo character that got you banned?

                      That was some weird shit. I hope you were high that night.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      I would absofuckinglutely have a beer with Ted.

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                      R Tils, I would too We’re not exactly splitting the atom here arguing about LOOGYs, back up catchers and utility infielders.

                      Nothing to get upset about and nothing should be taken personally.

                    • RetroRob

                      RT, I’m with you. I’d totally have a beer with Ted. I find him to be one of the more interesting characters here on RAB. He’s not a troll, clearly loves the Yankees, and has very intelligent things to say. Yet there is that one area of his personality that when tripped, it’s like doomsday. No turning back.

                      For the record, I miss the Ted and Plank wars. I know they pissed off Mike, but I found them far more entertaining than the trolls because both were so passionate. I still have no idea if Ted is 14 or 40!

                • turd surfer

                  I think he tends to say something good when nothing or something simple is needed. Gives him perceived power when he decides to go HAM on someone with strawmen, red herrings, etc…

                  He derives his respect on this board from taking down small game. He uses this respect to disrespect bigger game. If you are into poor analogies.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    I agree with his basic points on the team and organization about 90% of the time. That’s not the issue. I don’t even care about his calling folks out when it’s clear they’re talking out their ass. It’s when the argument has escalated to ridiculous levels hours late where I roll my eyes. He doesn’t personally piss me off. I just wish there was a better way to go about this.

                    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                      I agree with all of this. I feel the same way.

                    • Get Phelps Up

                      So do I. I think some just like to provoke Ted for shits and giggles.

                    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                      Of course, then there’s Greg and me…

                  • jjyank

                    Again, I’m not sure I follow you. We all take down “small game”. What “big game” is there? Eddard? Dalelama? Stuart?

                    I’ve had several civil discussions with Ted. I’ve seen him agree with other commenters, or add in something I hadn’t thought about. There’s more to baseball discussions than “hunting” and “bring down the right kind of game”.

                    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                      Pfffft, jj you only say that because you’re not a good hunter.

                      One day I’m just going to invite trolls to my island and challenge them one on one. Evade me for three days and I’ll let you go, but if I catch you I’ll feed you to my dog.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      And it’s not even “taking them down.” This is all in fun, for God’s sake.

                    • turd surfer

                      I think he sometimes goes after statements he doesn’t care about only for the sport of it. This is not usual and dependent on his mood.

                    • jjyank

                      Hahaha, nice. I did slay a troll once by accident. I think I responded to a troll post, tearing his statement apart, and then left. It wasn’t even a long, drawn out argument. Just one comment. I found out in the following evenings open thread that his response to mine was a homophobic slur, and Mike banned him.

                      So don’t you tell ME about hunting!!!! :P

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                      There was one night someone was making homophobic comments about you, R Tils and Pat D.

                      Hopefully that guy was banned.

                    • jjyank

                      APF, unfortunately, that’s not the first time that’s happened. Mike deleted the comments, so I can only assume that service came with a ban.

                      Pretty sad that’s what it comes to for some people. Completely unprovoked, too.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      I saw that. Whatever.

                      There’s also one guy who occasionally posts as “Tilapia Mother in Law,” or something like that. I honestly find that hilarious.

                    • turd surfer

                      I don’t think he just targets trolls though. He’ll just go off on someone for sport.

                    • Get Phelps Up

                      I don’t think that’s it… He’s just really easy to provoke.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            I can’t condone that kind of nonsense going on for two hours, as much as I think he brings something to the table as far as actual baseball knowledge goes.

            When the other side of the argument consists of Eddard and a guy who seems to post “get Upton” every other comment, that should have been beneath him. Two hours?

            These arguments are becoming self-parody at this point for all involved. Just walk away.

            Apologies for thinking you were trying to bait me.

            • Blake

              When I do post here (which isn’t that often) I do talk about other things besides Upton ya know…..I made a comment about Nunez and Ted decided to be a jerk and I responded…..didnt go on for 2 hours as it was really only like 5 posts and I was doing stuff in between…..anyway….really could care less

    • MannyGeee

      That whole thread had me at “Eddard Underrated”. Yeah, that shit happened…

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I saw that. Hopefully “as a troll” was accidentally chopped off there. God help us all if it wasn’t.

        • MannyGeee

          Considering he was on an epic troll-off, I think he was serious… Which scares the shit out of me.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    “Beasts of the Southern Wild” or “Prometheus?”

    • turd surfer

      Beasts hands down.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Thanks.

        • turd surfer

          I thought Prometheus was a let down. I was expecting too much.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Preview looked amazing, and it’s Noomi.

            Third and fourth choices are “Ted” (which I don’t want to see – I still own my childhood stuffed animals) and, sadly, the “Tron: Legacy” Blu-Ray I bought a year ago and still haven’t opened.

            • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

              Prometheus was OK though it could have been so much better.
              Ted was actually hysterical if you like the whole Family guy thing which I do love.

            • turd surfer

              I liked the new Tron. I think the Daft Punk cameo sealed it for me.

              • Robinson Tilapia

                The Crystal Method remix of “The Grid” is one of my favorite workout songs.

            • WhittakerWalt

              Prometheus on its own is about a B-minus. Watch the blu-ray with all the extras and deleted scenes. That pushes it to A-minus territory.
              More Idris Elba is always a good thing.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    anyone else sick? nothing worse than being sick on a Saturday.

    not sure if it’s a cold or this flu epidemic, but day/nyquil has been my best friend the last week.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I’m counting the days until the two weeks it takes for the flu vaccine I got on Thursday kicks in. I’m also bathing my son in a giant vat of Purell.

      #halfkidding

      • jjyank

        I really hope I don’t get the flu, because as far as my coworkers/boss are concerned, I already had it for 3 days last month. Heh.

        • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

          haha.

        • MannyGeee

          New strain, dude… It’s like seem sort of super flu…

          (Just go with me here, you might just score another few days this year…)

          • jjyank

            I wasn’t actually sick. At the time, I was both thrilled and mildly pissed off about not getting paid for 3 days.

            If I do actually get the flu, it would suck because: 1. My boss will give me shit. And 2., I won’t get paid AGAIN. I could use vacation/personal days this go around, but PNC policy is that I have to pay them back for any paid time off if I don’t finish the calendar year, which I won’t.

            • trr

              your needs-

              1. flu shot
              2. new job

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        Only the purell part is real.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Oh, I ain’t fucking around. The last thing in this world I want is to deal with a flu-ridden 18 month-old. I don’t even want people with the flu to even comment on here. Stay away.

          #garlicaroundneck

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

            You can give a child alcohol poisoning from Purell so I hope that part is a joke.

            • Robinson Tilapia

              *pats APF on back*

              Relax, dude. I got this.

            • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

              Nonsense, his kid’s mouth is taped shut.

              Let’s not imply that RT isn’t a responsible parent!

              • Robinson Tilapia

                S’all good.

                I’m doing just fine. I better be, since I work in child welfare. :)

                • MannyGeee

                  Which is where you get that “kid safe duct tape”, right?

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    We get it in bulk.

                  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                    In the baby aisle next to the orajel when they start teething.

                    • Robinson Tilapia

                      $2 off when you buy them together.

            • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

              A high school runner from my home town actually died of salicylate toxicity from overusing Ben Gay of all things that she slathered herself with after training for her muscle pain.

              It was awful.

  • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

    Mark Texiera got a walkman for christmas?

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Jacoby Jones. Wow.

    • Get Phelps Up

      Broncos Defense. Wow.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    Um….wow?

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    Great play, but WOW what an awful job by the Broncos.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I endorsed the Broncos as my Super Bowl pick this morning just because I’d love for Peyton to stick it to every team who thought he was done. I don’t want to have to switch next week.

  • MannyGeee

    Alright my kid needs to get tired and stop watching Wiggly Pig so I can get some football on.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      WTF is Wiggly Pig and can I successfully avoid my son finding out about it? He only knows of the existence of sports, Yo Gabba Gabba, and Sesame Street.

      • MannyGeee

        wiggly Pig is a Sprout show. It’s only saving grace, like everything on Sprout, is that it carries a run time of like 12 minutes an episode. Still about 10 minutes too long.

        I successfully showed him something shiny and distracted him long enough to throw the game on, so hooray for me.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Do you know how hard it is to explain football to an 18 month-old? At least my wife encourages me to continue as I try to explain the role of the QB to him. His response is the same as it is for any sport, which is what I taught him the sound effect is for any slam dunk – he throws his hands down and goes “BOOM!” at the sight of any sport.

          I can’t wait until spring. We are learning how to play catch.

          • MannyGeee

            I’m busy teaching my kid how to look at boobs without being noticed. But yeah, catch works too

            • Robinson Tilapia

              Mine knows the word “boobs.”

              Don’t look at me. Mommy taught him.

            • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

              “Remember son, there’s a fine line between just getting a good red-blooded thrill from cleavage and sexual harassment. Just follow these six simple steps…”

              • MannyGeee

                Son, you see those two stripes coming up that girls butt in the yoga pants? That’s called a thong line. When it pops out the top we call that a whale tail… Now go get some juice and ill teach you how to tell if she’s cold.

                • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                  LOL.

  • MannyGeee

    “In exactly one month, pitchers and a bunch of guys pretending to be catchers will report for duty down in Tampa.”

    Amirite?

    • barry

      /they’re not pretending to be catchers, they’re pretending to be hitters

      • MannyGeee

        Yup. Duly noted.

        Well, in fairness I got scarred memories of Cervelli flicking throws to Cano into CF that would disagree with you…. But also, fist pumps.

        • barry

          Yeah i agree cervelli is way overrated(by the NYY at least) as a quality receiver. Intangibles do get lost in baseball though.

  • MannyGeee

    So what’s the NLFs official rule on OT in the playoffs? Just sorta keep going?

    And also, fuck Keapernick. That is all

  • MannyGeee

    Hey punt returner, run fucking forwards! Starting to think Denver doesn’t want to win this

    • MannyGeee

      Like I said… Denver acting like a team interested in going home

  • Get Phelps Up

    I was hoping that the Ravens were going to lose on a safety there.

  • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

    Has anyone seen the biopic on John Lennon called Nowhere Boy? I would not look into it if I were you. It is pre-beatles, so if you were hoping for a beatles movie this is not for you(or me). Also his relationship with his mother is to close and gets very disturbing, almost inscestual at times. And in no way does the actor really resemble John Lennon to me

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

    Holy shit, can’t believe Peyton made that throw. That’s something Brett Farve would have done.

  • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

    Kick for the win….

    • http://www.twitter.com/matt__harris Matt :: Sec110

      …for the win.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Sonofafuckingbitch. Ravens.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Oh, Ray Lewis…

  • MannyGeee

    I was happy about the Ravens winning because of my dislike for Peyton Manning for about….. 20 seconds. Until I remembered how much I cannot stand Ray Lewis. Fucking DETEST Ray Lewis. DE-TEST.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    This is so similar to the 07′ Giants-Packers game. Another great game decided when an all-time great QB that couldn’t win in the postseason threw an interception in OT to lose the game on a FG.

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

    For an a guy who’s had an amazing career, Peyton Manning has sure had to eat a mountain shit in the postseason. I can’t believe he threw that pick.

    Guess I have to root for the Ravens now cause I can’t stand to see Belechik go to his 6th Super Bowl.

    • MannyGeee

      I’m rooting for the other team, because fuck Ray Lewis’ retirement.

      • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

        I can see people hating Ray Lewis for the whole murder thing. I can’t stand Belechik for the cheating stuff and I think the Texans are getting crushed tomorrow.

        I do think the champion is coming out of the NFC though.

        • MannyGeee

          Gimme the cheater over the murderer, thanks.

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

            True though if you play the morality card, you’d have a hard time rooting for any of these teams since so many football players are thugs.

            I can’t tell you how many Steelers fans I know whom think their serial rapist QB walks on water.

            • MannyGeee

              Oh, I am not playing morals police for the NFL or any athletes for that matter (the Baseball Writers got it covered, Amirite?!?!)

              I actually hate Ray Lewis for the fake rah rah rah bullshit and the crying on tv shit he pulls all the time. It’s so put on, he’s such a try-hard.

      • barry

        The more playoff games he plays in the less chance of someone getting murdered after one, at least. #failedjusticesystem

  • mustang

    I said it once I will say a thousand times even before the 2 Superbowl wins I will take Eli over Peyton with the game on line every time.

    • MannyGeee

      gimme the two headed monster of Peyton for the first 16 games and Eli in January.

      • mustang

        He probably wouldn’t make it, but there is no chance in hell that you see Eli taking a kneel with 30 seconds and 3 time outs.

        NO CHANCE.

        • mustang

          And I would bet on Eli making it.

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

          That’s more of a coach thing than a QB thing.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      Dude, Peyton >>>>>Eli.

      Asante Samuels and Wes Welker make 2 catches they’ve made 1000 times and Eli has no Super Bowl rings.
      Sometimes it just comes down to who gets the breaks.

      • MannyGeee

        Agreed, but Peyton is laughable in January.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          He’s had his troubles but this loss is on that jackass safety who let Jcoby Jones get behind him with 30 seconds left in the game IMO.

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

          …Except the time he won.

          You know, Eli HAS only won one more SB. I know his career isn’t over, but it’s not like he’s anything like Terry Bradshaw in the SB.

      • mustang

        I seen enough sports to realize that some players are just “money” when comes to crunch time. I seen Eli enough to know that he is that type of player. So yes Peyton >>>>>Eli overall but 2 minutes on the clock down by 7 Eli >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peyton.

        BTW- Asante Samuels and Wes Welker didn’t.

        “All the Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas
        Layin’ in the sun,
        Talkin’ bout the things
        They woulda-coulda-shoulda done…
        But those Woulda-Coulda-Shouldas
        All ran away and hid
        From one little did.”

        Eli DID!!!

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          Don’t confuse good fortune with good play since as they say, it’s often better to be lucky than good.

          Also may I suggest you order the decaf

          • barry

            Good fortune explains one event, do it repeatedly and it’s no longer due to fortune. Swiss cheese.

            • mustang

              Agree 100%

              I love how people always point to the “luck” in those Superbowl, but never bring up how they got there.

          • mustang

            That was 5 road wins out of 6 playoff games for 2 Superbowl wins. Oh! yeah all luck maybe you need a little caffeine.

            • barry

              I just don’t understand how people can’t understand that the whole point in playing is winning, not just a game here, or tons of games, but that one game that means you won it all. I mean even playing beer league softball, the whole point of playing and talking shit to the other guys is winning. You could have a team with 0 hrs but if they win enough games and win the big one, their championship>>>>>>>> than bawdy stats or a better record leading up to that final win.

              • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                Okay, answer me this: Eli Manning or Dan Marino?

                • mustang

                  Win or go home game under 2 minutes left needing that one drive for the win.

                  ELI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                    Okay, fine. Now as the QB for your team-this is just as your QB, no special exceptions. Regular season and playoffs, he’s your QB-would you rather have the “clutch” player or Dan Marino?

                    (Also good to keep in mind-two QBs with more Super Bowls than Dan Marino: Trent Dilfer and Rex Grossman.)

                    • mustang

                      The “clutch” player because in the end with all of Marino greatness what is he most know for?

                      I’m a Knicks fan that watch one of the best center in game play and all that stands out to me of the Ewing era is how his teams never won a championship.

                      Can’t remember Ewing’s best game, but I can’t forget Starks missing shot after shot in game 7.

          • JobaWockeeZ

            That’s not the overall point. You’re posing a hypothetical situation that literally does not refute Eli’s ability. I don’t care if Wes Welker makes that catch, because as far as I know it was Tom Brady throwing that ball.

            Obviously Peyton is the better QB but in the win or go home games Eli has been just as good if not better.

            • barry

              Eli has been far superior in these games. not close.

              • mustang

                Agree

            • barry

              Eli has been far superior in these games. not close.

              • mustang

                And agree

      • barry

        People used to say the same thing about some young shortstops compared to derek jeter. I say the same thing about ever sport: The only thing that really matters is how many rings you retire with. Thats the measure of success in any sport. You can go undefeated, throw for a record TDs, squash the league week in and week out, but if you don’t win the superbowl, it was all for naught.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          That’s total bullshit. What if Jeter was drafted by the pirates? You know how many rings he’d have?

          0. A big fat goose egg.

          In fact the only team sport you can even make a case that winning championships defines a career is the NBA and even there it’s questionable. How great were Barkley, Ewing, Stockton, Malone, Nash, etc and not a ring in the group.

          • barry

            So why even have a championship series. Why not just give the championship to the team with the best statistics. You play to make the playoffs, and you play the playoffs to win the championship. People don’t remember non-winners, period. The most popular non winner in baseball is Ted Williams; however, I guarantee that Mickey Mantle or Joe Dimaggio gets searched more. It’s not utter bullshit, it’s the reason they play, for legacy. Winning defines a career for sure. What’s to say that if the Pirates draft Derek Jeter they don’t build a dynasty around him, you can’t. Your argument is utter bullshit.

          • barry

            And since you want to bring the NBA into it. I’ll give you both an all time great and recent history: Lebron James. Before he won the word on the block was “He’s great but he needs a ring.”

            Further thought makes me wonder if you were that kid that never played on a winning team at any level. You could talk to some guy 30 years from now and he could say oh I played ball in high school, hit 400 every year, had crazy home run titles, I’d say that’s awesome dude you ever lead your team to states, he’d say no man but i did mash. reaction, who cares.

            • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

              What? I’d rather have the guy who mashed. So would MLB teams, by the way. They don’t give s shit how many titles you won, they care how good you are and try to get you on a good team so you can contribute to winning a title.

              • barry

                Of course you want the guy who mashed, but you also wan’t that guy to win. No point in having that guy that mashed if they don’t win.

                • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                  I don’t give a shit if his teams won or not if he mashed. The MLB doesn’t either. You really think think they look at a prospect and say “Well, he could be the next Mickey Mantle, but he played badly in his 4 playoff games so I’m not so sure.”

                  Of course not. They’re looking for the best players.

                  • barry

                    They acquire the best players to win. Unless I’ve lived my whole life misunderstanding the concept of competition. Once again there is no point in having a player, or bunch of players, who mash if they don’t win. Look at every Yankee team in the last decade that hasn’t won, they’re considered a failed team in NY because NY has a legacy of WINNING.

                    Yet another example:
                    I box. I’m actually pretty good at it. Never had golden gloves myself but I have beat a few who have them. Now when I enter a match my reason to do so is to test my skills against the other and prove I’m better by winning. If I lose I can’t say but yea I mashed on him a whole lot.

                    • LK

                      Given that boxing is an individual and not a team sport, your “yet another example” has absolutely no bearing on what you’re talking about.

                    • barry

                      Completely relevant actually. The entire point of playing any sport or participating in any competition is to win. period. not winning is failing.

                  • barry

                    And also, teams absolutely look at how a player performs in big spots. Whether it be a draftee who’s scouted in highschool or a player who’s just becoming a FA off a team that won or lost in the play offs. Just because meddling teams will sign players who such in big spots(cough indians) doesn’t mean winning teams make the same mistake.

                  • JobaWockeeZ

                    I like how choosing Eli manning is mutually exclusive to choosing a great player.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          This may mean nothing to you youngins, but /Boversimplified

          • thurdonpaul

            Somewhere TSJC smiled.

          • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

            Rockin’ it old school.

      • JobaWockeeZ

        Jets fan? Because come on.

  • MannyGeee

    Packers Niners is turning into a slugfest…

    • Nick

      i think its a “lets see how many yards kap can rush for” -fest

  • barry

    Bill James: Kevin Youkilis 357 wOBA prediction. Would love this. Guess I’m just really a closet Youk fan because I love such intensity (lets me know I’m not alone).

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    If you want my two cents, I think clutch exists. It exists to a very small extent in baseball but I think in football QBs there’s definitely what I would call a “clutch” factor. I really do think there are certain players better in the two minute drill and in big games than others.

    As for Peyton, he’s as good as anybody in the two minute drill. But I do think he has trouble in playoff games.

    Eli, on the other hand, is nowhere near as talented, but with less talented teams he went all the way, facing a lot of the time clearly superior teams, twice. And now he’s won two SBs with miraculous final minute drives. I do think there’s something to that.

    • mustang

      SO AGREE!!!!!

    • barry

      It’s the simple human factor. How long can that super athlete(which, we should all admit that every pro athlete is just on a different athletic level than the average joe, just being humble and why we love the guy that looks like the average joe) put off his natural tendency to revert to being human under insane pressure. Baseball has really suffered in this statisticians era, the intangibles have been downplayed. I’m not talking about his time from home to first or any of that. I’m talking about that fire Paulie had, the ability to rise to the moment that Bernie Williams had(which many hall of famers that get elected these days didn’t have), the leadership someone who plays average can add to the clubhouse, how guys like Mickey Mantle soldiered through incredible pain to will his team to winning. I’m not saying it’s gone, I’m just saying it’s overshadowed more now than it was in the past.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        Dude, there’s too much for me to go through here. I just disagree with all of it. I never said I agreed specifically with any of this. I meant exactly what I wrote there and nothing more.

        • barry

          I’m not sure how you can disagree without saying what you disagree with. Basically it was my way of agreeing with you.

          • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

            You agreed with me AND you agreed with a lot of things I didn’t say or mean to imply.

            So I suppose I was technically wrong when I said “all” of it.

            • barry

              Eh I guess I was trying to strike a bored on saturday night conversation. Sorry for insulting you.
              By the way, someone responding to one of your statements doesn’t mean they were implying you meant anything. That’s my definition of clutch, beating the basic trait all humans share: imperfection. Retire 26 batters in a row, impressive, but it’s not perfect until you tally that last out.

              • barry

                Also, fun fact: No human was ever born without a genetic imperfection.

                • MannyGeee

                  Tell me about it… I can barely walk because of mines. And the backache when I see an Emma Stone movie? Holy schnauzers! I can barely stand upright during that new Spderman flick!!

                  #it’sfunnybecausepenis

              • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                I have no idea what you’re talking about.

                1) I never said you insulted me.

                2) I never insulted you

                3)You said it was your way of agreeing with me, but I didn’t agree with a lot of what you said

                4) When did I ever say anything about genetics? Huh?

                • barry

                  You kind of come off as thick.

                  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                    What? Like, “stupid” thick?

                    I’m mystified here.

                    • barry

                      Yes, exactly, like you don’t understand things too well.

                    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                      Ooooookaaaaay, this discussion is over. Good luck then.

                    • barry

                      Sorry for hurting your feelings.

  • mustang

    Some players just rise to the moment. I’m still amazed at Jeter’s 5 for 5 with a HR for his 3000 hit of Price.

    I mean WTF !!!!

    • barry

      Exactly. They have what the other guy didn’t. Even if it’s for one slight moment. They came, they saw, they conquered.

      • barry

        Also 696 hits til 4000, I think Jeter can do it, and will. In fact I’d be willing to bet a (to me) substantial amount of money on it.

        • RetroRob

          I don’t believe he will do it, but I won’t bet against him.

          • MannyGeee

            This. Not doubting he “could” play another 5 years, just questioning whether he “will”

          • barry

            I’ve become accustomed to believing in Derek Jeter. I think that he will certainly be able to reach that number, my only doubt is whether it takes place at SS.

  • Pat D

    Looks like I picked the wrong night to forget about checking the open thread.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      Seriously. This one was bizarre.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      Something died inside of me a little when our fried there said he’d take Eli over Dan Marino.

      • Pat D

        I’ve never been a big Marino fan, mainly because I wasn’t old enough to really be aware of him during his prime years. Obviously he was a great player, but he just couldn’t get to the big one save that one time.

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

          He wasn’t just a “great” player. He was probably the greatest player of his generation.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Someone would take Eli Manning over an in-his-prime Dan Marino? Please have that person shot.