Jan
06

Sunday Night Open Thread

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Forgive me for having a hockey moment, but I’m pretty psyched the NHL and NHLPA were able to reach a tentative agreement to end the lockout last night/this morning. Hockey is my go-to baseball offseason sport, so getting even a partial season (48 games, apparently) this winter is much appreciated. Plus the Rangers are actually good these days, which makes it that much more fun.

Anyway, here is your open thread for the night. The Seahawks and Redskins are still playing (on FOX), but talk about whatever you like here. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread

167 Comments»

  1. Mike says:

    Wait… was hockey on strike?

    • The Big City of Dreams says:

      lol

    • Midnight Rider says:

      Hockey sure isn’t for everyone. I love it especially in person but the average coach potato mouth breathing sports fan has a hard time keeping up with it because it’s too fast with continuous action and they are used to having the voices on the magic box explain what just happen and what is likely going to happen next and that is on average every 6 seconds

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

        Yeah because hockey is a game for aristocrats like sail boat racing, fencing and polo. Far too sophisticated for the average American sports fan.

      • Coach Potato says:

        I am not a mouth breather. And, for godsake, use some punctuation!

    • RetroRob says:

      If a tree falls…

    • Mister D says:

      Wait… was hockey on strike?

      Well … no. Hockey was not on strike.

  2. DGH says:

    Speaking of hockey, check out this awesome pic of Yogi on skates: http://wp.me/p1Xo18-L9

  3. trr says:

    Not that I noticed…

  4. Alkaline says:

    Hi everyone. Advice time. I’m running a half marathon in May; I also have a collegiate/post collegiate baseball league starting in June. Anyone have any good tips on how to train for both? I don’t want to lose too much muscle training for the half. I’m not going for speed with that (2:30 is my goal).

    • DGH says:

      It’s hard to endurance train and keep on mass, but it can be done. My advice would be to up your protein intake so that your body has more of it to burn. Also, keep your lifting workouts shorter but up the weight, will help you build muscle while minimizing the aerobic activity of a prolonged workout.

      I am also a runner and these things have worked for me in the past.

      • TCMiller30 says:

        Your body doesn’t use protein as fuel, so increasing your intake won’t help anything assuming you’re taking an adequate amount now.

        • DGH says:

          I guess I explained it wrong. If you do endurance training it will make your muscles more lean and wiry strong. You can keep that at bay by increasing your lean protein intake. Greek yogurt, eggs, fish… all good choices.

          • TCMiller30 says:

            I also don’t think that’s right. The way muscles build is by the type of workout, not the way you eat afterwards. Protein is definitely necessary, but adding protein isn’t going to add bulk if you’re running.

            • DGH says:

              Good thing I’m not a personal trainer… or a biology teacher… or a Greek yogurt salesman.

              • TCMiller30 says:

                Haha protein is definitely important for muscle recovery, but the type of exercise is more important for the type of muscle fibers developed than your protein intake. No muscles will rebuild without protein though no matter what type of exercise you do.

    • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

      I can’t give you weight advice, but here’s my running advice: Do “sprint-jogs”.

      Sprint-jogs have an actual name and are a legitimate training exercise, but I totally can’t think of what it is. They will get you into shape SO fast. It is what it sounds like: Sprint 100-200 meters or so, jog the same amount, sprint again, jog again, sprint again, jog again…ad nauseum, you know the drill.

      They work incredibly well for getting you into shape fast. It’s all mental with them; you FEEL as if you aren’t working as hard with the jogging breaks. Of course, you are, but the mental aspect is incredibly important. Just try it.

      Also, remember to stretch your sides and your shins to prevent side stickers and shin splints. I’ve never gotten shin splints myself, but side stickers are a BITCH. When I stretch out beforehand I rarely get them though.

      • TCMiller30 says:

        I think you’re talking about interval training, which is definitely a great way to get in shape. With just starting off on your training, you shouldn’t do interval training more than once a week or you’ll overtax your body.

      • Anthony says:

        As TCMiller pointed out, yes, that sort of training is called interval training. As an asthmatic, I absolutely hated ANY form of cardio, but I gave it a try and fell in love with it. Combined with a good weight lifting regimen I got in shape really fast.

    • TCMiller30 says:

      Congrats. What half are you running? Have you run one before? I always try and find a few races to do each year.

      My advice would be to build up some base miles before you really start any intervals or tempo runs. Depending on where your training level is, I’d try and start with running 3-4 times a week, mixing in a long run, a speed workout (intervals or tempo runs) and an easy run or two. The rule of thumb too, is to not increase your mileage too quickly. Somewhere between 10-20% increase per week (typically add to your long run) is a good way to start out.

      Because you’re not being forced to run everyday for your training, your regular weight training should be fine, assuming you’re keeping up for your baseball league. I’d try and keep away from doing much leg work on the day after your long run or speed work day. Those workouts should leave you pretty tired, and your muscles won’t rebuild if they’re constantly being worked.

      With baseball being a mostly anaerobic high intensity sport (swinging, sprinting etc.) I would probably focus on high weight low rep multi-joint exercises. Baseball would be a fun sport to train for because there’s so many different motions that you typically wouldn’t do in a gym, so it gives you a lot of room to mess around with different exercises. Plyometric exercises would also be fun to add in every other week or so. They’re also very tough on your muscles so they shouldn’t be done near your tough running days, or if you’re doing upperbody plyos you definitely want to give them a few days to recover.

      Hope that helps a little bit.

  5. Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

    It was so nice with hockey on strike. I could watch sports center and not have to see all those irrelevant hockey highlights.

  6. DGH says:

    Book recommendation: I finished reading David Halberstam’s Summer of ’49 today about the pennant race between the Yanks and Sox. It was excellent.

  7. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I was rooting for a one-game NHL season. YOUR TEAM could go undefeated…and yours…and yours…and yours.

    Never been an NHL fan, not even when I was in Florida and the cool thing to do was throw fake rats at a rink.

    • Wil Nieves #1 Fan says:

      I still throw rats. What have I become…

    • jjyank says:

      Deja vu after visiting facebook :P

      I like hockey. I never follow the NHL, mostly just because I enjoy the break from sports after baseball. But my college didn’t have a football team, and the baseball team sucked ass. UVM hockey is where it’s at there, and the four years I was there for, I LOVED going to the hockey games. Shit was crazy. Pro tip: if you go to school in Boston, don’t follow your hockey team to Vermont.

      We were/are also good at basketball (who’d have thought white hippie kids could play basketball?), but I really just have zero interest in the sport. I did watch them get slammed by UNC in March Madness last year, though.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        “Deja vu after visiting facebook :P”

        Story of my life.

      • Jimmy says:

        I made the trip from Troy to UVM back in the 80′s in the middle of a blizzard to catch a road game there. The fans were fine with visiting fans back then and it was a great town to party in after the game.

    • RetroRob says:

      Fake rats? I was supposed to throw fake rats?!

      Full discloure: I used to be a huge hockey fan. Something happened and I lost the sport back in the 80s, never to return.

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

      They should just have an 82 game giant round robin tournent since every team makes the playoffs anyway.

      • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        …You mean like in basketball?

        At least in hockey when a team gets in below 500 it’s rare.

  8. Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

    The Skins-Seahawks is one badass game. Nothing compares to the NFL payoffs.

  9. Terry says:

    Looking forward to seeing Rick Nash on the NYR

  10. jjyank says:

    Today might have been the best day of my life to date. For those who know my situation, I got my offer today. In just a few months, I will have my dream job. So to the trolls who enjoyed calling me “jjteller”, you can all promptly go fuck yourselves.

  11. ThatstheMelkyMesaWaysa says:

    I don’t know I’d you guys see the same thing, but these Seahawks look as close to unbeatable as it gets right now.

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

      They look good but are gonna have to win in Atlanta and then in SF or GB so they have a tough road ahead of them.

  12. Pistol Pete says:

    I’m a Giant fan and don’t like the Redskins but I do like RG3. I’m in disbelief how they’ve handled his health the last few weeks. It doesn’t take a genius to see his knee is killing him and they keep running him out there. With his entire career ahead of him I just can’t believe they’d jeopardized his future for a couple games his rookie season, just unbelievable. If he slows down and has knee trouble he’s just another quarterback, Shanahan is an asshole.

  13. Jacob says:

    Lmfao at people in the last thread getting upset about me using the future HOFer Ronnier line. Trolls love ronnier

    • Hoss says:

      What a pathetic comment. You just label someone a “troll” based on ther interest in a Yankee minor league player? Who the hell are you to judge?

      • A 3 foot tall Norwegian with a really pointy nose says:

        I resent how are you using my name.

      • Jacob says:

        Uhmm yes somewhat, the way they act about him, Stuart, Paul A, Eddard, codd, all love him

        • forensic says:

          If it’s those guys, then who cares?

          But, why label anyone who may want to see him get a chance as a troll? He’s hit at every level he’s been sent to and he’s played 5 different positions in the last 2 years. Yes, he’s a little old for the levels, but he can’t do anything about that. What’s wrong with people wanting to see him be given a chance at something at least? It’s not exactly absurd to think he could be better than Jayson Nix at the utility IFer (and OFer) thing, other than SS which would fall to Nunez.

          No one except you guys have given him this overrating ‘future HOFer’ label.

          Tons of people here overrate certain minor leaguers based on what they happen to identify with. Should they all be called ‘future HOFer’ then?

  14. Pat D says:

    So I went and saw Les Miserables today. That’s three hours I ain’t getting back.

    • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

      Wow, really? I LOVED that movie.

      I loved the play too, though. Here’s what I’ve noticed: Either you love it, or you recognize objectively that it was really good but you want to kill yourself by the end of it.

      If you just think it was awful, you’ll be the first I’ve heard.

      • Pat D says:

        I didn’t think it was awful. I thought it was mediocre with a ton of issues. I know it will get a lot of Oscar nominations on Thursday and it won’t deserve a good portion of them.

        Put it this way: if it wins Best Picture, it will be another typical case of the wrong movie winning.

        • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          From somebody who loved the stage musical, here were my thoughts:

          . Anne Hathaway deserves every award she gets, she was phenomenal. Better than I even expected.

          . Hugh Jackman was decent singing wise and very good acting wise, but he BUTCHERED “Bring Him Home”. And that’s a shame, since that’s Valjean’s signature song.

          . Russell Crowe’s presence in this movie was an absolute travesty. He never should have even been considered for his part. His rendition of “Stars” made me cringe.

          …I thought everybody else was excellent, especially the people playing Marius and Enjolras. Amanda Seyfried as Cosette was meh, pretty much mediocre, but to be fair to her Cosette is the most boring character on the planet. Samantha Barks as Eponine was of course great. She did perform at the 25th anniversary concert so I pretty much knew in advance she’s be good.

          Standouts: Anne Hathaway especially, but also Marius and Enjolras.

          Disappointments: Amanda Seyfried as Cosette was meh, but Russell Crowe as Javert was a disgrace to musical theater. Hugh Jackman was good until “Bring Him Home”, which was terrible.

          Overall, yeah, I loved it.

          • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

            Loved Anne but thought her part was too small for Best Actress.

          • Mister D says:

            Anne Hathaway deserves every award she gets, she was phenomenal.

            If Anne Hathaway got an award for a girl who looks like a cross between a pretty girl and a duck, I’d totally agree.

            • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

              Her character was SUPPOSED to look like a pretty girl who’s fallen into hard times though.

              The idea that, even though she wasn’t any more, you could see she used to be pretty is part of the character.

              (Unless you just think that’s how Anne Hathaway looks in general in which case okay then, but I don’t see it.)

          • Pat D says:

            I agree that Hathaway and Jackman were good. Hathaway will probably win Best Supporting Actress, which I’ll be OK with just because that category has been perpetually weak for years. But I do find it interesting that she’ll win an acting award for singing. Jackman will get nominated for Best Actor, but if he wins I’ll probably destroy things. Just like if the movie wins Best Picture.

            Who was Enjolras? Seriously, was he one of the five or six friends of Marius at the barricade whom I don’t recall ever being mentioned by name? More on that in a second.

            Amanda Seyfried was meh. Cosette’s barely in the movie, anyway. As for Russell Crowe…yea I don’t think it worked. Not sure who would have worked in the role, but just didn’t care for his singing voice nor do I think he properly displayed the inner conflict at the end.

            Here are my many issues with the movie (and remember this is coming from someone who’s never seen the stage play, which is basically the point): The live singing didn’t always work. For individual singing, it was fine. But anytime there was a chorus singing it was very difficult to understand the words. The moments of overlapping singing, especially Valjean, Marius and Cosette at the end, were terrible because the voices just never blended properly. The guy doing Marius seemed to think he was singing opera.

            There was no exposition. I thought I remembered my history well enough to know why they were revolting, but I didn’t. They show at the beginning, in 1815 or 1816, that even after the revolution France had a king again. But it was a different king by the time of this revolution, so they never give you reason to understand their issues. They mention a general dying, but they never tell you anything about that general and why it’s a big deal.

            As I said before, there are a bunch of characters who appear and aren’t named. It’s as if you have to be familiar with the play to know who everyone is. I mean, after Valjean, Javert, Fantine, Cosette, Marius and Eponine, is anyone ever addressed by name? I don’t even think the Thenadiers are mentioned by name until Marius runs them off at the wedding.

            Character development is poor to non-existent. Pretty much all of the characters are one-note. One of the biggest thoughts I had watching it: What exactly is the point of Eponine’s character? My mother tells me you have to read the book, at which point I tell her that that is a poor excuse. Really, she loves Marius, and she’s supposed to be a contrast to Cosette, I know, but in the movie it fails on both levels. As far as I know she’s that spoiled daughter of the most vile people ever, so why should I have a shred of sympathy for her?

            I was really disappointed with the staging of the songs. They really never give you time to dwell on one song, it goes from one to the next without taking its time to sink in. I love the song “Master of the House,” and I was really disappointed with how they did it. Between the speed at which they performed it, and the action movie-esque editing, it was near impossible to keep up.

            But the biggest problem I had with the movie is the pacing. It felt like a long movie. The really good long movies will never make you think they’re long. The biggest gripe I had with Django Unchained is that it ended up being over long. But that wasn’t noticeable until the last 25 minutes or so. In this movie, I was pretty much checking the time on my phone every 5 minutes after Fantine died. Now I know this sounds funny since I said they moved too quickly from song to song, but the problem was that the movie really ended up feeling more like a series of disjointed, semi-related sketches rather than a coherent plot. It felt really stagy, and that’s the worst possible thing for any Broadway adaptation.

            Wow, so this went on forever. My kudos to you if you read all of this. Overall, I can’t say I enjoyed the movie, and I’d probably give it a 6 out of 10 because most of the performances are good and, for the most part, it looks like it should. But it really just screams that it was made for the fans and no one else.

            • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

              (Enjolras was the leader of the revolution, BTW. “Do You Hear the People Sing”. In the movie he definitely wasn’t emphasized, but in the play he’s considered to be one of the “big four” male leads, meaning Valjean, Thenardier, Marius, and him.)

              I can see what you mean about it being made for the fans. I’m friends with a lot of theater people, so of course universally we all loved it. I could see how it could feel disjointed if you didn’t know it already.

              As for Eponine, I found it interesting that the movie played up the “spoiled child” angle, because I don’t remember them ever doing that in the play (although I’ve only seen the 10th and 25th anniversary concerts and a really awesome HS production).

              You’re supposed to feel sympathetic because she’s been in love with Marius and he never noticed her, but he’s barely met Cosette and falls head over heels for her. And then Marius, who’s totally oblivious, makes her the delivery boy between him and Cosette and she STILL loves him enough to save his life. So there you go.

              • Pat D says:

                I figured that’s who Enjolras was.

                As for Eponine’s situation, yea, that’s a typical movie love triangle situation, isn’t it? Also…

                SPOILER ALERT

                …the way she sacrifices herself is depicted really dumb, if you ask me. She grabs the rifle muzzle, jerks it away from being pointed at Marius, and holds it pointed at herself. And it takes like 10 seconds for the guy to pull the trigger. That was really bad direction.

                • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

                  Honestly, I didn’t even notice how long it took for the trigger to be pulled. So you’re probably right.

                  You’re pretty much right with Eponine. The big difference is that this wasn’t a romantic comedy and Marius never noticed Eponine, and then she died. So she becomes way more sympathetic and tragic as a result.

                  It’s interesting when you look at the play fandom. People DESPISE Marius and Cosette. Cosette mostly because he’s boring, and Marius because he’s utterly oblivious.

              • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

                …Man, much later I just realized I’m really dumb. Big FIVE male leads, meaning Valjean, Javert, Marius, Thenardier and Enjolras. Not counting Gavroche.

                I totally forgot Javert.

      • forensic says:

        I love the play too. Can’t wait till the movie comes out on Blu-ray so I can see it (going to the movies just doesn’t happen much anymore).

        I’m a sucker for the big ‘brassy’ scores of some musicals, particularly Les Mis and West Side Story. Even the ‘concerts’ where they just go through the score of Les Mis get me.

        • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          The 10th and 25th anniversary concerts of Les Mis are fucking awesome. Except Nick Jonas. NEVER Nick Jonas.

          • forensic says:

            Yup, own them both. Absolutely awesome.

            Not condoning being a fan of Jonas, but he was pretty good in the 25th. I didn’t know who it was initially until my wife told me, so now I just try to block that knowledge out whenever I watch it. And the reunion at the end of the 25th was pretty cool too.

            • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

              I don’t hate the guy. I went into it with no negative expectations-in fact, I was pleasantly surprised that a Jonas brother was in it! I figured that meant their music had more substance than I thought.

              Nick did okay, at best. He was terrible during “In My Life”. “Heart Full of Love” wasn’t bad. During “One Day More” his voice stood out in a bad way-his was easily the least powerful. He did do very well during “Empty Chairs at Empty Tables”, which pleasantly surprised me.

              But when you compare him to Michael Ball it’s just no contest.

              I know people say it’s unfair to compare him to Michael Ball. I disagree-he was in the 25th anniversary concert, Michael was in the 10th. Well, the tenth anniversary Marius was much better, and they should have picked a better 25th anniversary Marius.

    • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

      My two cents…a movie can be very good and still be overrated. I enjoyed it though.

  15. Havok9120 says:

    Uh oh. It appears someone broke comment nesting.

    Miiiiiikkkkke….we broke your websiiiiiitttte…..

  16. Yankee insider says:

    Wait but the minor league hockey team near me the Trenton Titans (flyers) were playing are they not affected by this???

  17. Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Anybody know how I can watch Devils games (legally!) online for, like, five dollars a month? I get the Rangers and the Flyers but no Devils (MSG-fucking-plus? Come the fuck on now.)I know of NHL Gameday Online but that’s way out of my price range. I saw a website with the price range I was looking for, but I have no idea if it was legitimate.

  18. Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Darn, I miss all the fun.

  19. Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Hmmmm…Testing, 1-2, testing.

  20. Get Phelps Up says:

    We could be in for the first ever spillover open thread.

  21. Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Eli for RG3 and a first round pick. You’re the Giants. Do you make that trade?

    If you’re worried about injuries with RG3, replace him with Russell Wilson, and same question.

    I think I’d have to say no to that (BTW, I’d take Wildon over RG3). But I also think it’s a harder call than it seems.

    • Pat D says:

      I wouldn’t do either, and I think each of the other teams would say “no” first anyway.

      • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        That you say that, though, is what makes the question interesting; if both sides would say no that means we’re talking about pretty close to an even trade anyway.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      No. I just don’t think you value youth to that extent with the QB position in the NFL. I just see the NFL as a much more “win now” sport with turnover, non-guaranteed contracts, etc. Getting “younger” at the QB position, unless you’re talking injury, etc., just doesn’t mean a ton to me.

      • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

        Devil’s Advocate counterargument: QBs nowadays are FAR and away the most important position in the NFL. Getting younger at QB, especially younger with a QB who’s had as good a rookie campaign as RG3 or Wilson, can keep your team good for years as long as you have turnover with half decent players. Remember too, it is definitely possible to improve upon Eli as well. And I love the guy.

        Couple it with a first round pick and it’s a decent deal.

        • Pat D says:

          Yes, but Griffin and Wilson have yet to really prove anything. You want to be all hot to trot over these guys because they had good rookie years, fine. But here’s the counter-argument to that: Cam Newton.

          • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

            …And Cam Newton is also a good point.

          • Coach Potato says:

            Forget Cam Newton, what about Mark Sanchez. He took the Jets to the AFC Championship game in his rookie year. Do you want him now?

          • MannyGeee says:

            Also, Matt Cassell was legit in NE the season Brady went down (not a fantasy stud a la Newton or “Proven Winner” like Sanchez, but still). Now he’s an also ran.

            Give me a proven (if inconsistent and insanely infuriating) Eli Manning over when could be a flash in the pan RGIII/Wilson any day of the week. and I FUCKING HATE Eli Manning….

        • Havok9120 says:

          We would also need to remember that the Giants offense is not at all geared toward that kind of QB. So while the raw talent of those guys would be nice and still shine through, the rest of the offensive scheme (and much of its personnel) would need to be scrapped along with Eli. Realistically, we’re scrapping a year or two of the new QB’s youth for a regear.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          There is so much that can still go right, and wrong, with those two. Just not a sure thing in the least.

          I say continue to build a better team around the great QB you’ve got already.

  22. ABC says:

    Hockey sucks. Playoff hockey is cool though.

  23. Jimmy says:

    Very happy they worked things out for the NHL/NHLPA. Hockey is my off-season sport as well, almost to the point that baseball is more likely my off-season sport. Those guys who hate hockey, I feel bad for you. You’re missing out on a great game.

  24. long ron daniels says:

    we best talk to Jorge Posada. need that dope to hit righty. mama gonna swing that big ass ’round, cook me up a spicy bowl of food. use the hot peppers and shredded cheese if you ain’t think you ain’t got no gouda. eli manning was too tired.

  25. Pat D says:

    Holy shit. Family Guy used one of the first season Monty Python’s Flying Circus intros for their opening credits tonight.

    Totally awesome.

  26. DGH says:

    6 days in, how are the resolutions going guys?

  27. The Doctor (formerly known as G formerly known as Matt Smith fornerly known as David Tennant formerly known as etc) says:

    Finally, go Kings! Waited a while for that cup, hoping we can recapture the magic in this shortened season. I feel a bit bad, the Kings were my crappy team to balance out being a Yankees fan, but those days appear to be over. Now the Kings have just become another bicoastal benefit.

  28. October Yank says:

    5 days til Gangster Squad…

  29. Jacob says:

    Wait so all I caught from this was Anne hathaways used to babysit JJ, you have to get in touch wit hher little brother man.

  30. Brooklyn Nets says:

    This is Devils country until the Rangers prove otherwise.

  31. Jacob says:

    Since when did mike piazza use steroids?

  32. Mike R. says:

    Let’s Go Islanders!

    Aw nobody! sigh

    • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

      If the Devils leave I might have to. I can never be a Rangers or Flyers fan. Never.

  33. yanks61 says:

    In regard to “Les Mis” – “If you just think it was awful, you’ll be the first I’ve heard.”

    ——————————————————-

    Let me be the first then.

    I think it consists of insipid music and uninspired lyrics. How any of the songs can be compared to some of the best of “West Side Story” is beyond me.

    I’ve lived in France for nearly thirty years and have read Hugo’s book in English and French (the latter twice) and don’t find it at all a vehicle for a musical. A non-musical play or movie (which has been done) fine. But then again I find most opera to be pretty dumb when dealing with such an overwhelmingly serious and depressing subject. What next, a musical remake of “Schindler’s List?”

    To see people singing while they lay dying, as one example, just seems perfectly absurd to me. But what truly makes it bad for me is the fact there isn’t a single song that you take away humming. There’s nothing at all that reaches that height of the melody and lyrics of “Maria.”

    In summary, a lousy piece of music with crummy lyrics and an impossibly depressing subject.

    I will now retreat into my bunker in preparation for the artllery barrage of catcalls, screams and utter outrage. Heresy! How dare anyone criticize “Les Mis!” The mob mentality in regard to certain sacred cows is such that it’s a little like attacking religion in the States. So enjoy it if you like. It’s a personal opinion, and as the saying goes, each to his own.

    • Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

      Boooooooo *Throws tomatoes*

      After a review like that…what can I really say?

      I DO find it interesting that you’re against depressing musicals but you have no problem with “West Side Story”, but I think I know what you mean.

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