Thursday Night Open Thread


Forty years ago today, George Steinbrenner (and a group of minority investors) purchased the Yankees from CBS for a whopping $10M. The inflation calculator tells me that’s a touch over $51.5M in present day dollars. Helluva deal. Steinbrenner actually first tried to purchase the Indians one year prior to purchasing the Yankees, but that deal fell apart. I wonder how different things would be if The Boss had landed in Cleveland and not New York.

Anyway, here is your open thread for the evening. The Knicks are playing tonight, plus you’ve got the Fiesta Bowl (Oregon vs. Kansas State). Talk about either game or anything else here. Have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. kenthadley says:

    And I can recall George telling the press that he would be away from the baseball decisions and be a hands-off owner…..sort of like Don Corleone being a hands-off Godfather.

  2. Jasphil says:

    Would the Cleveland market have supported the ambitions if Mr. Steinbrenner? He would have been an ambitious and marginally successful owner, still involved in his philanthropy, but not the future Hall of Famer that his stewardship of the mighty Yankees have him.

    • Steve (different one) says:

      Didn’t Cleveland sell out every game for several years when they were
      a power in the 90′s?

      • Jacob says:

        Oh yeah that city loved the indians, just like they loved the cavs, but they leave when everything is going bad because the don’t want to get dissapointed again.

  3. Jasphil says:

    Would the Cleveland market have supported the ambitions if Mr. Steinbrenner? He would have been an ambitious and marginally successful owner, still involved in his philanthropy, but not the future Hall of Famer that his stewardship of the mighty Yankees gave him.

  4. Mickey Scheister says:

    According to the inflation calculator, my annual salary this year would’ve been worth $252,525.25 the year I was born. Or my 2012 salary was only worth $39,600 the year I was born. What is my salary and what year was I born?

    In an unrelated story, I just heard about the Andruw Jones arrest. Wow. I live 9 miles from Jones’ GA home. I totally would’ve taken my kids to his neighborhood for Halloween had I known that.

  5. vito says:

    Anyone else notice gardner had a 7.0 war in 2010?

    • Jacob says:

      Yep, majorly from his defense but his offense really peaked in ’10, not to say it will be his career year but it was really good. He also drifted at the end of the year, he was hitting .290 for the majority of the year with .380 OBP I do believe

  6. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    Completely random, but you guys ever get that incredibly satisfied feeling when you eat just the right amount of food after not getting to eat all day? Normally in that situation, I over-eat and feel bloated and disgusting for hours, but tonight I ate what I guess was the perfect amount of food for my body because 1. I’m not hungry 2. I’m not bloated/feel disgusting 3. I’m in like a 500times better mood than I was about an hour ago and the only thing that’s changed is I ate something.

    • jjyank says:

      I felt the opposite all day today. A guy that runs a pizza place down the street that banks with us offered to bring us a few pies for lunch. He did do it, but an hour or two after he said he would, so I was freaking starving. Four large slices later, and I hated my life all day today.

    • Mickey Scheister says:

      There’s a fine line. If you cross it, your body makes you pay. Sometimes it’s not only how much you eat, but what you eat. For example, any kinda Asian food has me feeling all gross afterwards, meanwhile I can polish off a giant sub, the sub is far more food but has me feeling glorious.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

        I think the “what you eat” thing means a lot too, I had some middle eastern food, a bit of hummus, lamb & chicken gyro meat w/ salad.

        • jjyank says:

          Love me some Middle Eastern food. I had to start making my own hummus because the shit they sell in the states is crap.

          • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

            yeah, the hummus was “meh” at best..

          • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

            I’m in NYC for the next 5 days and found Pitopia a block from my hotel…Falafel, Jerusalem Salad, hummus and tahini on a whole wheat pita and a cup of lentil soup. Delicious and I didn’t over eat.

            • jjyank says:

              Clearly, you haven’t had my hummus :)

              My recipe is from a Jordanian family, and while it’s not quite as good because of the Americanized ingredients, it’s still way better. Last summer, my parents had a big Labor Day party at our house, and just for shits and giggles, they let me do a blind taste test. I went to Shop Rite, Shop & Shop, Kings, and Wegmans, and bought up every kind of hummus they offered. I labelled them by numbers, and put two of my own batches mixed in. Both of my batches beat out the other 12 kinds I bought from the stores. I suppose SSS applies, since there were only about 15 people who participated. But still. Once I told them all which was which, I had a number of my parents friends approach me about selling it.

              Moral of the story: American hummus sucks balls. I thought it was just fine until I went to Jordan, and now I can’t eat it anymore. Falafel too, for that matter.

              • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

                The store bought hummus brands all suck. The only one remotely bearable is Sabra (disclosure: I used to sell it when I worked for Pepsi.) Pasteurizing hummus… not a good idea and it’s damn near impossible to get a brand that uses enough tahini too. There are really good spots in NYC (personal favorite is Hummus Kitchen) where they make it fresh and I’ll definitely be hitting that one and probably others on this trip. In Chicago, a new small chain called I Dream Of Falafel is quite good. I agree JJ, gotta go with homemade (or restaurant fresh).

                • jjyank says:

                  For homemade stuff? The secret is one teaspoon of honey per can of chic peas. That allows you to add more lemon juice and counteract the acidic taste from the extra lemon juice , and add a little sweetness. Also, roast the garlic in olive oil before adding it.

                • Robinson Tilapia says:

                  Taim down in NoLita is to die for, falafel-wise.

                  Get on the Q train to Midwood in Brooklyn for Mimi’s Hummus. The real deal.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              Where are you staying? We can lead you to better falafel. Taim. Hell, even Maoz.

        • Mickey Scheister says:

          I agree. Never had hummus, I smelled it and refused to try it. The wife loves it but alas, I stick to the sweet onion from Subway, it makes everything taste better. I put it on everything.

      • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

        You’re not eating the right Asian food.

        • Mickey Scheister says:

          Your prob right, I need to stop with the mall spots, clearly it isn’t the best choice. I’ve actually left work early from eating the at wrong Asian spot. When I lived in Seattle, the Asian food was spot on. In the south…not so much.

          • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

            American Chinese food in general is very bad for you, deep fried everything, more added oil, lots of tale salt and MSG. They don’t eat that crapola in China. What we know as Chinese food was created by Chinese immigrants for the American palette. Real Chinese food (found in Chinatowns in cities all over America and upscale Chinese restaurants is far better but still a bit heavy compared to other Asian food. Thai food, Vietnamese food, Korean food and Japanese food are all much lighter and healthier and the stuff you find here is very similar to what they eat in their countries. A lot of Americans won’t try some of the stuff on the menus but I love it all and it is quite good for you. Definitely stay away from Panda Express….yech! ;)

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            Well, truth is different parts of the country get very different varieties of food. I wouldn’t call what you get at a Panda Express anything even near actual food from any Asian country.

            If there’s a way to find the specific food of specific countries in your town, hunt it down.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Funny. I felt completely pregnant after some jerk chicken and rice and peas for lunch.

    • Austin Aunelowitzky says:

      Hara hachi bu. It’s Confucian teaching that has made its way to Japan through Okinawa. It means eat until you are 80% full. It is the secret to good health and long life. Please repeat daily.

      • I am not the droids you're looking for... says:

        It’s measuring the 80% that’s the trick. In my case it’s all about eating slowly enough for my stomach to tell my body ENOUGH before it’s too late.

  7. trr says:

    It was 40 years ago today….

  8. The Doctor (formerly known as G formerly known as Matt Smith formerly known as David Tennant formerly known as...etc) says:

    I’ve noticed a lot of RABers are big fans of The Walking Dead, so I was wondering if anyone else had played the game. I’m on episode 4 of 5 and I have to say its the best game of 2012, which is saying something coming from me when you consider the number I’ve played.

    • Alkaline says:

      Really? I love TWD, but I didn’t look into the game yet.

      • Mickey Scheister says:

        It’s on ipad, 360 and PS3. Download all the chapters at once for a savings, I played it as they came out but would’ve preferred to play the whole thing in one sitting.

    • Mickey Scheister says:

      I’ve played and beat the game, but I don’t wanna ruin it. But yes, it’s great. I hope they do a sequel.

    • Jacob says:

      WE LOVE WALKING DEAD! Sadly I have not played the game, this is because I am broke though and not because of choice

    • jjyank says:

      Interesting on the game. If it’s better than AC3, Halo 4, Borderlands 2, Mass Effect 3, and Dishonored, that’s really saying something.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

        You know, I didn’t really like Dishonored. Then again, my stealth skills in video games has been destroyed by how good my character in Skyrim became at it. I had him maxed out on sneak, bows, light armor, and had a decent amount of one handed so I could either sneak around a dungeon either backstabbing guys or picking them off w/ arrows by basically just walking around.

        • jjyank says:

          I loved Dishonored. There are few thing in video games more satisfying than sprinting off a rooftop, using Blink to extend your jump, and air assassinate a Tallboy in slow motion. Freaking epic.

      • G says:

        Borderlands 2 is certainly fun, but I actually haven’t played the rest. Halo never really holds me (not much for FPS without RPG elements like Borderlands to keep me interested), my roommate raves about ACIII but I’ve just found AC to be a good not fantastic series, and from what I’ve heard Mass Effect 3 was a bit of a let down. Dishonored’s the only one of those I have a ton of interest in, I just keep missing it going on sale and I’m not shelling out $60.

        My top 5 of the year is probably The Walking Dead, Journey, Dark Souls, Xenoblade Chronicles (which I never played enough of… I’ll get back to it eventually), and Borderlands 2. All in all not the best year for gaming, but I’d put TWD up against almmost any game I’ve played in a while. It was that good. I finished it an hour and a half ago and cried like an absolute baby.

    • Now Batting says:

      I liked it but felt it was too straightforward/simple/easy.

  9. Jacob says:

    Hey fella’s, thomas neal dfa’d, pick him up?

  10. forensic says:

    Maybe he would’ve preferred ending up with the Indians at this point. At least then he could really rest in peace rather than constantly rolling over in his grave like he is now…


  11. RetroRob says:

    How would things be different, Mike, if George had bought the Indians.

    The Mets would have continued to rule the town and you would be the Editor-in-Chief and founder of RooseveltAvenueOrange.com.

  12. Marcus says:

    It looks weird to see a Yankee with a goatee. What is the story behind Wells’ goatee? Does anyone remember? Did he willingly pay a fine or something?

  13. Karl Krawfid says:

    Jack Curry ?@JackCurryYES

    Damon Oppenheimer, Yankees scouting director, said Heathcott is “impact player.” If Heathcott progresses, he could play in New York in 2013.

    Yeah right.

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

      I have a hard time believing Oppenheimer would actually say something that outlandish. Curry must have meant to say 2014 which would be a lot more reasonable.

      • Karl Krawfid says:

        Nope. Said this season.

        • forensic says:

          Yeah, he repeated it on Yankees Baseball Tonight today too. Sherman also said he’s talked to others in the organization who feel the same way, that Heathcott could move to make his debut this year.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            This is going to lead to quite the Gollum/Smeagol moment with some commenters on here.

            “….dey leeeve dee prospects in deee minors until dey r feeefty years ol…..NO SMEAGOL DEY RUSH DEE PROSPECTS AND DEY R NO GOOD TRADE DEM ALL 4 DEE MICHAEL MORSE….”

    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

      Extremely unlikely …. but not impossible.

      Melky didn’t play above Tampa until 2005, and still got called up to the bigs in 2005.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      Could get a September call-up.

      Biggest question is probably whether he can play a full season.

    • MannyGeee says:

      Wait, did New York State invade or purchase the towns of Scranton or Trenton? Can we still do that?

  14. Pat D says:

    What’s with all this talk about hummus? Talk about American food! USA! USA! USA!

    (Now that I’ve all reminded you of where you live, go on about your business.)

  15. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I spent the grand majority of the evening looking through “Best Albums of 2012″ lists all over the net, from the most pretentious (Pitchfork and the like) to Rolling Stone, just to learn about music I may have missed out on during the year. Of course, everyone winds up agreeing on the same albums (Frank Ocean, Kendrick Lamar, a Fiona Apple album that disappointed me as a fan of hers, etc.), but there’s always interesting stuff to learn about.

    Which brings me to this: What was the best you heard released in 2012? Really, I’m fine with any genre except for mainstream country. Give me your dubstep, your teen pop, and your Norwegian Black Metal.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      “best music,” of course.

    • forensic says:

      I don’t even purposely listen to any new music anymore. I got a Sirius/XM subscription for when I went to Graves (since overnight radio sucks) and love having it just because I can concentrate on my now ‘old school’ music and not find new stuff. Every so often, something new clicks but mostly I just stick to my good old standby’s.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        I always keep up with what’s good and new. Gotta keep involving. I expect I’ll be doing this when I’m 58 and Ke$ha’s granddaughter is releasing music.

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

      The Gaslight Anthem’s Handwritten. I was disappointed by their third album, American Slang, but they came back strong with this album.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Yup. Grabbed it last night. Really liked the soulfulness in the singer’s voice. Only had heard the name of the band previously.

  16. Inprobable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    I finally just saw the new reboot “Star Trek” movie, and I enjoyed it very much. I’ve never seen the original. It’s a great cast though, I loved the guy playing Kirk and Bones and Scotty were both excellent too.

  17. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    Flash based games can pack it up and go home, because this wins on sheer ridiculousness alone…and it’s incredibly and addictingly infuriating. Also very very ridiculous http://www.flashrelax.com/play.....Derby.html

  18. Renny Baseball says:

    Shifting the topic which I hope is OK on open thread…

    It’s HoF season, so watching MLBN, I was comparing #s of players of HoF qualification. Bernie Williams presents an interesting case, didn’t think at first he was even close to qualifying. The thing is, he compares more favorably to Jim Rice and if Rice is in, Bernie has to be in too. [I don't think Rice should be in but he is.] And to add, am so glad this forum is here so that I can obsess over baseball at 2 AM in good company!

    Their stats in terms of games played (Rice’s 2089 to Williams’s 2076) and total plate appearances (9058 to 9053) remarkably are almost identical. In those nearly identical number of PAs, Bernie has 100+ fewer hits BUT has walked nearly 400 times more. They have virtually the same batting average too, Rice has .298 and Williams .297, but Bernie far exceeds Rice in OBP, .381 to .352. Rice was MVP once, although that was in 1978 — wonder how he did in August and September when the Sox tanked a 14 game lead. Bernie was an integral part of 4 Yankee WS wins and nearly a 5th in 2001, Rice of course none. Bernie won a batting title (.339 in 1998), has 4 GGs, 5 AS games, while Rice led the league in HRs 3 times, has no GGs, 8 AS games. The one place where Rice has a distinct advantage over Williams is HRs, about 100 more, and in total bases, but Williams exceeds Rice in career OPS, mainly due to Williams’s high OBP. Here is the big difference maker though favoring Williams: Post-season. Bernie played 121 games, had 545 PAs, and in almost what is a combined entire additional season, hit .275-22-80 (128 hits), or .275-.371-.480. Rice had only 80 postseason PAs, hit .225-2-7.

    Lastly, Bernie is the quintessential example of a player who, by the time he had clearly lost a step toward the end of his career, retired rather than, say, resorting to “supplements” like his contemporaries (including fellow Yankees sadly), suddenly inflate like a balloon and have mysterious late career resurgence. I always thought Don Mattingly was below the line but arguable, but Bernie deserves a place in the Hall.

    Links to their stats:

    • forensic says:

      In a vacuum, Bernie deserves a bunch of support for the HOF on his own merits, and without comparison to anyone.

      These comparison’s to people already in just bug me. Two wrongs don’t make a right, and there will be ‘dreg’ at the bottom of almost any group of anything where you can make comparison’s to fit your point all the time.

    • jason says:

      If you are comparing Yankee OFs to Jim Rice already…Roy White does pretty well (and his 1976 Topps is one of my favorite cards, for some reason I can’t put my finger on).

  19. jason says:

    “I wonder how different things would be if The Boss had landed in Cleveland and not New York.”


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