Jan
29

Tuesday Night Open Thread

By

Today hasn’t been crummy enough, so I’m going to top it all off with a Sidney Ponson video. He actually started the last game I ever attended at the Old Stadium, but that’s on me. I remember it was the middle of September and Ponson got squashed by the Rays. No excuses, I had chances to catch another game before the end of the season but I didn’t.

Anyway, here is your open thread for the night. The Rangers, Islanders, and Devils are all playing, so talk about those games or anything else here. Have at it.

[link in case the video embed doesn't work]

Categories : Open Thread
  • Should I Fister or Pettitte?

    So I hear the Yankees are trying their hardest to void A-Rod’s contract. I do not think it’ll happen, but I’ve been wrong before.

    • Leg-End

      Seems like a no brainer to at least explore the option though, even if the chance is small.

      • Should I Fister or Pettitte?

        If the Yankees go ahead and act on him, they’ll have to release him, send out an insurance claim, and even then, the insurance company would have to have clear-cut proof that A-Rod can’t play anymore. Also, you have the Players’ Union to fight against too. It’s an uphill battle for the Yankees FO.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

          By the way, I nominate you for best handle on the blog.

          LMAO.

          • Should I Fister or Pettitte?

            Thank you, sir.

          • TheManchine

            INDEED. +1

      • jim p

        What’s A-Rod got to look forward to on the field but people chanting A-Roid at a level he’s never heard before, and in every ballpark. Possibly even the stadium.

        He loves fame it seems, but infamy?

        My hope is that he’ll quietly offer the Yanks a buy-out, and they’ll take it.

        Hoping that’s the future, I get the impression we don’t have a third-base prospect in the minors. Is there one, or someone we can think of trying out there?

        • Should I Fister or Pettitte?

          The Yankees have Dante Bichette, Jr. in Charleston. That’s our closet prospect in the minors in terms of a third baseman.

          • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

            If by a miracle they were able to get rid of Arod, the best available FA next year would be Martin Prado for 3B.

            • Should I Fister or Pettitte?

              I hear that Arizona wants to re-sign him to a long-term contract.

              • Havok9120

                That’s the rumor.

                • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

                  I’m sure.

                  If he walks, they really gave away Upton for very little.

                  We’re a million miles away from that point anyway.

          • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Drew

            Austin was originally a 3B maybe they could switch him back. It wasn’t that long ago that he switched to the OF

            • jjyank

              They’ve been working Adams at 3B as well. We’ll see.

        • Travis L.

          David Adams can play 3B. Hell, even Ronnier Mustelier can play 3B if we need to get through 2013 (to give Adams time to adjust to 3B from 2B). Jayson Nix would likely be the next bet after Youkilis (for 2013).

          • Ted Nelson

            Yeah, Adams is the closest in AAA.

        • Ted Nelson

          I don’t think the MLBPA allows buy-outs. They wouldn’t even allow A-Rod to take a pay-cut to go to Boston.

          If A-Rod performs coming off hip surgery, I’ll bet you the boos go away pretty quickly at the Stadium.

          • Steve

            For how long though? He damn near carried the team on his back to the World Series in 09 and they booed him during his first cold spell in 2010. He can’t win, no matter what he does.

            • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

              Yeah. Anything short of a return to the MVP Arod and The fans will boo.

              He’s been a historically great player for much of his Yankee career yet he’s probably one of the most hated Yankees for that same period of time.

              • lightSABR

                I’m a new enough fan–it was getting depressed about the Yankees missing the playoffs in 2008 that made me realize I’d joined the Empire–that I missed all that. Which is too bad. All I associate with A-Rod is good-but-usually-not-great performance and a potentially team-sinking contract going forward.

          • Ralph Melish

            Mo Vaughan says hi!

        • trr

          Is a player even allowed to negotiate a buy-out? I think the Player’s Union is pretty militant about such things. I’d love to see him gone; he has nothing to offer the club. I think the only way we’ll see the back of him is to give him his outright release which means we have to pay full value of his contract and have it count agaianst the salary cap. What a millstone, what a pariah!

          • Steve

            I think it’s definitely allowed. Didn’t Jason Bay just negotiate a buy-out this offseason?

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

      Don LaGreca made a good point today on ESPN radio. If this turns out to be true, how in the world is Arod gonna show his face at Yankee stadium?

      The venom fans are gonna show him both at home and on the road will just be off the charts especially now that his performance has significantly declined.

      I’ve always been an Arod supporter but if true, he’ll deserve whatever treatment he gets IMO

      • Yogiism

        Yep. With you on this. I think Arod has some serious thinking to do here. The more I think about it, the more I think that MLB negotiates a release from the team with some kind of money changing hands. Let’s face it; the odd’s the Yanks walking away from all $114mm is probably less than 1%, but that doesn’t mean the Yankee attorneys could argue that he misrepresented his “abilities” with the new contract and that those “abilities” were enhanced, which is, in theory, breach of contract. I could see the Yanks and Arod negotiating something that pays him $40mm over the remaining years under contract. I don’t the proper legal language, but I do non-sport related contract based deals all the time and I know that parties argue often over money and not always the per receiving that money wins. There is a legitimate legal case here, but again, the Yanks aren’t walking away from all of it. Just not how it works.

        • mustang

          Wow!!!

          This is real good and probably the way this thing will go.

      • Ted Nelson

        If he hits when he gets back, I doubt he gets booed for long at home.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          Even if he rakes, he’ll get booed the first time he goes into a slump for more than a few games.

          This is a blog for Yankee fans and you can see how many hard core Yankees fans just hate his guts and wish bad upon him.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          I’d normally agree. IF this is all true, and he decides to come back, I think it’s going to take a bit more than some hits this time around. Not saying it’s impossible to forget, but that would be quite the hole to dig for yourself with your fans.

          • Ryan D

            It’s certainly possible, but definitely unlike. Has Alex been a great player without steroids? Yes. If, as Cashman is bracing us for, he doesn’t even swing a major league bat until 2014, at age 38 the likelihood of ARod being wildly productive enough to silence his critics just doesn’t seem realistic to me. There are already very few guys who have produced on a high level at age 38, and hardly any of them were coming off of a year of MLB absence.

            • I am not the droids you’re looking for…

              I actually think a full season away would be a good idea just to let the dust settle somewhat (this assuming it does not progress to four ring circus from the current three). Not saying he won’t get booed mercilessly in 2014, just that it would be worse in 2013.

              And Ted normally I find merit in your comments but this one makes it seem like you haven’t experienced first hand fans’ (fans!!) reaction to the guy over time. He got booed in 2010 for slumping after carrying the team to a title in 2009. Crazy, but true. He’d have to put up a late-career Bonds season to get the fans back at this point. And if you tell me it’s possible I will tell you it’s not.

    • CP

      I wonder if they could void the HR milestone portions of his contract. Those are for “historical achievements” not performance, so they may actually have an argument about that….

      • Travis L.

        Wonder how that would affect the AAV of the contract? Maybe, like what has already been suggested, he would take a significant cut. If they make him part of the “scouting team”, that wouldnt count against the payroll right, as in the 189 million dollar target? Could they just “hire” him (quietly), then just pay him some of his contract over a few years?

        • Havok9120

          The most famous American sports franchise “quietly” hire one of the biggest media magnate in American sports?

          Heh.

          • Travis L.

            Ok, got me on that one. Is that idea feasible though? He gets paid (as he wants) and it doesnt count against the target fiscal line. Thoughts anyone?

            • Havok9120

              Neither the union nor the League would agree to let that happen. It hurts the union because he’s basically been forced into retirement over unconfirmed PED usage and it hurts the League because it lets the Yankees off the hook on the lux tax without accomplishing any other goals.

              The only way the Yankees can work something out with him is if he agrees to retire completely or if they can co-opt the League to use this as a lever against the MLBPA/PED usage.

          • https://twitter.com/MattMontero1 matt montero

            Maybe if he puts on a fake mustache and is listed as Alex Rod it will work?

        • Blake

          Still 27.5 million per for luxury tax purposes

          • Travis L.

            Damn. I figured if Alex and the FO agree to void that contract, but still allow him to get paid as a “scout” or something, that it wouldnt count against the luxury tax.

            Oh well. Its the thought that counts.

            • Havok9120

              He’d need to retire as a player (to kill the contract) and then catch on as a coach. And the union and the League would both go bananas even if they couldn’t stop it.

    • Havok9120

      There are certainly enough avenues to explore if the report is true. Controlled Substances Act, the morality clause, the marketing bonuses, fraud, technicalities like the non-team-approved doctor, etc.

      It’ll be interesting to see if they’re actually willing to push it.

  • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula (formerly Manny’s BanWagon)

    Talk about stupidity, Ray Lewis, with access to the best doctors, trainers and medical treatment money can buy lets someone use Deer Antler Spray on him to accelerate the healing of his triceps injury and it has IGF-1 (Insulin Growth factor-1) in it which is a known PED, pretty equivalent to Growth hormone.

  • ken

    So the Yankees want to get below 189million. Their logic is it should not take 220 million to win a world series. How much has the last 5 winners spent? I believe the are correct.

    • MannyGeee

      I almost understand what you’re trying to get across here… However, the only team to win the World Series with the highest Payroll in the game over the past 10 years was in 2009.

      Mike calls me on this as anecdotal and proof of nothing, and to an extent he’s right… Bt there is also nothing proving that the Yankees can’t compete at 189. 9 other teams seem to do it every season…

      • MannyGeee

        See… I almost got what you were saying, and it’s because after re reading it, we’re saying the same thing. Funny how that works

  • Yogiism

    Usually one for a lot of crazy words, what can I say about this shit…

    • Yogiism

      I’ve always been a pretty big Arod fan, so this is a kick in the balls. Even if untrue, factor in the surgery, I am now, officially, waiving the white flag on Arod. I was a hold out, but no longer.

      • Ryan D

        ’09 was a good A-Rod year. The confession, reports of him turning around his attitude and becoming more of a team player rather than a guy obsessed with self-accomplishment.. and then of course that wonderful World Series run, clutch performances by Alex of all people. He won my sympathies, minotaur painting and all. And now he goes and wipes ALL OF IT away. How stupid can you be? I guess if you’re the leagues most hated player, maybe you feel like you can’t do worse.

        He was wrong. Wait until he plays in Boston. They’ll have him face-first in a soggy pillow after the game.

  • Austin Aunelowitzky

    I think Alex is guilty as sin (gut feeling.) If there is any way to make a connection between PED use and the degenerative hip condition (even if simply by masking the pain or condition itself so that he discovered it too late) then maybe there is a legal angle.

    • barry

      I think you’re right. The commercial where the statue of the athlete crumbles comes to mind.

    • Havok9120

      My understanding is that the current hip issue is genetic, so that’s out to begin with. Either way, if knowledge about the hip joint is really at the stage the Doc was claiming it is (1970s with knees), then my guess is there’ll be no conclusive case to make.

  • Alex Rodriguez

    These allegations are false. Just look at the play-off numbers.

    • dalelama

      The purple lips say otherwise.

      • jjyank

        lol

      • Jim Is Bored

        This is really bordering on, if not blatant, racism.

        • dalelama

          What in the hell does purple lips have to do with racism?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

            Better question: What do they have to do with anything?

  • P

    Not much has actually changed, other than most everybody’s suspicions being confirmed, and the slight chance that the Yankees can rid themselves of a horrible contract. I think we end up a little ahead here.

    • Havok9120

      How?

    • barry

      It’s going to be impossible for them to void that contract. The MLBPA is one of the strongest unions in the country and its workers are exceptionally well protected.

      • Bob Buttons

        Don Fehr ditched them to NHL so they ain’t so strong anymore.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Did you see the last CBA? The players are getting more money than ever.

          • barry

            The MLBPA makes the Teamsters look like a Sesame St. basketball team.

            • Jimmy

              You get to guard Big Bird.

              • barry

                Ha he’s off the team he has a crack problem, haven’t you talked to Kat Williams lately?

            • Ryan D

              Lol, that’s the best laugh I’ve had all day.

          • Bob Buttons

            If they didn’t get more money they should be ashamed of themselves. For the record I still think that they are capable, just not as capable as before. With that been said, any capable PA should be able to get more money than the last deal since there are so many excuses they could use and owners should know that reasonable concessions to players would mean less loss than fielding replacement teams or having a players strike.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      What’s been confirmed, exactly?

  • Yogiism

    On a serious note: The Yankee lawyers, the players union and Arod need to have a real sit down about this. MLB really needs to stand up for the “team” here. They are setting a precent for players to possibly exploit these situations. Once they receive a guaranteed contract, they’re pretty much off the hook, that is, if money is their main motivator. There has to be some balance in this for the sport and the teams. MLB might have to negotiate a release with the Yanks still having to cough up some money. A negotiated (truce) btw parties where the Yanks pay something like $40mm as a parting gift over the next 5 years. This is a little like Ebay where the buyer has all the leverage and the seller is basically fucked 40 days later when something they sold is returned damaged, the buyer opens a case, and Ebay refunds the buyer and your left with a bust item and a negative balance on your account. That’s kinda how I feel right now..

    • Yogiism

      ..er *precedent*

  • dalelama

    The Dal E has been vindicated.

    • barry

      Haven’t all of us A-Haters?

      • dalelama

        I predict a sudden rise in their numbers and a huge spike in the amnesia rate.

        • barry

          I’m still super-stoked he will be out this year.

          • jjyank

            Still can’t grasp how a Yankee fan can be that. The only way I could agree is if we had some hot shot prospect ready to step in. All we have is another injury prone 3B and a prospect who’s barely played 3B in the minors.

            Yay, the Yankees are in more trouble!! SUPER-STOKED!!

            • barry

              Because, as you know I hate A-Rod. And this is one reason why.

              O:S to you

              • barry

                And K-Youk will provide a more than adequate replacement.

                • jjyank

                  If he stays healthy, maybe. Which he may not do. Which would make the team worse without A-Rod, which you’re happy about. But PLEASE, O:S me forever.

              • Pat D

                You fail at O:S.

          • Havok9120

            That’s a shame.

    • Pat D

      “You know, I used to hate dalelama when he hated A-Rod with no reason. It’s amazing what this story has done for him.”

      (turns off mic)
      “He’s still a dick.”

      :)

      • dalelama

        No doubt about that…

    • jjyank

      You/it have never been anything.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I hope your parents are proud.

      • Get Phelps Up

        They can go down to their basement and tell him.

        • dalelama

          My, my Aroid’s fooled defenders are touchy today.

  • Big Member

    so me and my buddy jim were having a few beers discussing the arod situation. i realized that we have to look at this delama from a medical point of view. now i know what your thinking o big member when did you get your phd? well let me tell you something. i got an A in my health class while in high school and my grandma always wanted me to become a doctor so i know what im talking about.

    my buddy jim knows quite a bit about medicine too. he is a member of the so called pharmaceutical business so knows a thing or too aswell.

    so my point is that while me and jim were analysing this delama, we came to an abrupt cuncussion. suposedly, there were steroids in arod’s urine. well there is a chance that he wasn’t using them at all!

    look guys, melky and arod are very close buds. melky is a known steroid user. what if melky and arod got together and had a very good time in february. then they cuddled and did things.

    what is your point big member? my point is that melky may have introduced steroids into arod’s body without even knowing! while arod and melky were having a blast, melky’s milk (which contained a small amont of urine) found a way into arods body. arod is inocent because the steroids in his body are actually melkys!

    • Havok9120

      See, you lose points for using the same schtick twice in one day.

      • TheManchine

        Especially since, in my humble opinion, it isn’t even that funny. Barely chuckle-worthy.

    • Ralph Melish

      Are you trying to insinuate that Alex and Melky are like…like…lesbians?

    • Robinson Tilapia

      So his lips would be purple then because…..the mind boggles.

      Big Member strikes again.

  • Mads

    Does anybody know how many of the Yankees minor league teams you are able to watch if you buy that MiLB.tv thing?

    • http://www.yankeeanalysts.com Mike Eder

      Pretty much all of Scranton, Trenton home games and a few away games, and sometimes Charleston and Staten Island. Not sure about Tampa. To be honest, I didn’t like it. The camera angles are awful and you can barely see player’s swings or pitching mechanics.

      It’s worth it if you’re a big fan of one of the affiliates, but if you’re looking to scout players, you’re better off going on Youtube or checking out Mike Ashmore or Josh Norris’ videos from Trenton.

  • Austin Aunelowitzky

    Maybe the MLB players association can see the other side of the story…if they are more accepting of tossing Alex under the bus, The Yanks will be Buyers in the Free Agent market again soon…Perhaps will take Scott Boras to make this point to some key members in the union, he’s still pissed off at ARod, no?

    • Havok9120

      Not a chance. If the contract is voided it’ll be because the League, the owners, and the Yankees fight the union and win, not because the union throws the player under the bus. That precedent would be far too dangerous with the number of players that have/are/will be using.

      • Austin Aunelowitzky

        Curses, foiled again…Damn You Havok!! (Shaking Fist!) Haha, I don’t expect the Player’s Union to be open about that, I expect that to be their hidden agenda.

        • Havok9120

          I understand. I’m just saying it won’t happen hidden or in the open.

          Union busting (and that’s exactly what this would be) is never pretty, and unions rarely consent to it even if it’s in their best interests (and it wouldn’t be in this case).

          • Austin Aunelowitzky

            Well, I wouldn’t equate what I am proposing to “union busting.” Unions agree to discipline from managment to employees all the time, usually following arbitration.

            • Havok9120

              The precedent is way too extreme to classify it as that though. This would affect TONS of players and give management a pretty big stick they could whip out whenever they felt it necessary against pretty much anyone. It’d be voiding a contract over alleged and heretofore unproven behavior.

              If the DEA finds something, I can see what you’re saying happening. Under the bus he’ll go. But even that will require either A) everyone agreeing to hush it up or B) everyone agreeing to blow the lid off steroids. I don’t see either happening. The PA will have his back I think.

              • barry

                Obama is a democrat he definitely wouldn’t want to set an anti-union precedent but at some point these guys are making so much money that they need to be held accountable.

  • http://www.twitter.com/mattpat11 Matt DiBari

    Carl Pavano started my last game. That’s probably worse

  • TheManchine

    Seriously…

    Mike, am I allowed to call him A-Hole again? I’ve called him that since his rookie year (mostly just making fun of the stupid nickname) but only stopped at your request since he is/was a member of The Yankees.

    In my defense, his actions lately have given me justifiably ample reasons to resume calling him by my preferred moniker.

  • barry

    Send a petition to Pres. Obama to get A-Rod a lifetime ban from baseball and from ever eating apple pie?

    • TheManchine

      I’m not a big fan of apple pie. He can have that. If touches the cherry or blueberry though, I’ll have to cut his injection hand off.

      • Bob Buttons

        You know what the French say,

        if they have no pie, let them eat cake.

        • barry

          He can only eat Tofu, and has to use leaves for toilet paper.

    • Jimmy

      President Obama lacks the constitutional authority to ban anyone from a profession or restricting their dietary choices. You would be better served by petitioning the various members of the legislative branch.

      • barry

        Uhm the executive branch of our government can submit legislation to the Congress to be passed into law.

        • jjyank

          If you think the President should be involved in such matters, I feel sorry for you.

          • barry

            Obama’s staff responded to a petition for the building of a death star by saying “the president doesn’t foresee the need to blow up any planets in the near future.” Also last time I checked the Congress spent millions of dollars to investigate PEDs so I guess we should ask how they have that amount of time when they can’t even decide on the budget. I feel sorry for you for not being able to see the sarcasm in the post.

            • Pat D

              Wow, you really fail at O:S. Do you even know what it means?

              • barry

                Nope and I don’t care either.

        • Jimmy

          So can you. Why bother the president? He’s busy enough as it is.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      You’re not the same Barry from this afternoon, are you?

      • barry

        Oh yes I am. How’s my ex-nemesis doing?

        Talking about my wanting Jeter to settle down? lol I guess I’m getting older because sexual escapades don’t entertain me anymore.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          This doesn’t sound like the same person. Either that, or I’ll have what you’re having tonight.

  • Anthony

    A-rod thread is approaching 600 comments… better get cozy.

    I’ve been thinking of writing an article for my school paper with predictions for the 6 divisions this season. Of course, Mike does a fine job here and as such I know more or less where the Yankees stand, but I was wondering if anyone knew of other sites that would be good for comparing the teams of the other divisions. Maybe like a site that keeps track of all the major signings (ESPN?… meh) and how they change the dynamic as well…idk. I know I’m not being very specific, but any help would be appreciated.

    • TheManchine

      Pirates win the 2013 World Series. That is all.

      • Anthony

        The way some people are reacting to Martin leaving, you would think that’d be the case. I don’t think it made sense to let him walk but certainly not the end of the world.

    • Bob Buttons

      MLBTR for starters. But the comment section there is crazy and a lot of rude people down vote you because they don’t like your truth, so stay away from their comment section.

      Used to read The Platoon Advantage once in a while but ever since they switched over to whatever their new affiliation is I stopped reading, but they did a fine job back when I did.

      SBNation is a no-no for me since sites requiring registration annoys me since I only use incognito in Chrome (so I’d have to log in and out so many times, I know, ain’t that much more work than at RAB but I never liked SBN enough to put in any effort). Which is also kinda why I stopped reading Pinstripe Bible. (That and for a period they/Goldman was late on half the stuff, plus nobody ever comments there). That and most of the main writers over at SBN are anti-Yankees.

      SI is hard to navigate and can’t find the comment section half the time, so I don’t bother with them.

      ESPN is full of morons and jerks in the comment section, so I only read their news, and even their news aren’t exactly well-written.

      BleacherReport is one of the dumbest sites and worst sites ever to read baseball. I’m not even kidding in the slightest and I’m not being harsh. A lot of articles are written by amateurs and poorly researched. I can easily find mistake of fact (not difference of opinion) with a lot of stuff over there.

      MLB.com is pretty biased and praises their own team’s players. Not that I expect them to be fair, but yeah.

      Not sure whether fangraphs does news, but they do get statistical over there.

      A lot of dicks over at HardBallTalk comment section too, so I have no idea about the quality of their analysis.

      • Anthony

        Wow. Thanks for the breakdown, haha. I was thinking MLBTR, definitely will give them a try. Perhaps mlb.com as well.

        Agreed about SBN/Pinstriped Bible. Really don’t compare to RAB. It sounds like there’s not that many good options out there. I’ll try to make it work though. Thanks a lot man.

        • Bob Buttons

          No problem. MLBTR is pretty complete and as long as you stay away from the comment section you’ll have yourself a good time. Awfully vicious people live in the comment section.

  • Dale Mohorcic

    Anyone have Howie Spira’s number?

  • jjyank

    Worst night of my professional career. So yes, I’m drinking on a fucking Tuesday.

    For the record, my uber dream job is still on it’s track, but current job wise…..ehhh. I like the sauce as much as anyone, but I usually refrain on weeknights.

    Hope everyone else’s day was much better than mine.

    • Austin Aunelowitzky

      Careful buddy, once you cross that weeknight line in the sand it becomes a dotted line going forward…

      • jjyank

        I’m loathe to give the trolls who like to impersonate me more ammo, so I don’t say anything. But trust me, I need it tonight. I’ve been very well behaved recently, finally shedding my inner-frat boy.

        It’s all good, I just need to let loose for a few hours.

        • Austin Aunelowitzky

          I wasn’t judging, I’ve already had a snifter of Patron Anejo and am polishing off what I have left of the Goose Island Christmas Ale…

        • mustang

          Dude take it light things could always be worse. You could be Jeter dating a 22-year-old supermodel and be immoral and unethical so count your blessings.

          • jjyank

            Hah, Good Mo I am loving this new meme. At least A-Rod being on that list produced something positive.

          • mustang

            Or you could be Barry but the way he talked about himself you might want to be Barry who knows.

            • jjyank

              I don’t want to be full of shit, so no.

              • barry

                Oh so now I’m full of shit? You’re becoming the trolls you “loathe.” Fuckin frat boys..

                • Pat D

                  OK, O:S means Operation: Shutdown. If you O:S someone, it means you ignore them and don’t reply to their posts. So, please, you said you were doing it to jjyank, so why don’t you actually follow through?

                • jjyank

                  Well, yeah. You came out of nowhere boasting that you’re a bad ass boxer military type who bangs girls as hot as Derek Jeter. If you need to boast about that shit on a baseball blog, you come across as “full of shit”, yes.

                  • Robinson Tilapia

                    TOO MANY BARRYZ.

                    There’s a “barry” and a “Barry” and a “Barry’s Gift Basket” and I’ve completely lost track of who’s who.

                    I liked the one who was in on the joke enough to change their screen name earlier today.

                    • jjyank

                      Barry’s Gift Basket is just a guy making fun of him. I wanna say he used to be Captain’s Gift Basket. As for barry vs. Barry, I dunno.

                    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

                      The one who was saying Jeter is immoral and unethical for dating that model is pretty much a jackass though.

                    • jjyank

                      Agreed, AFP.

                    • mustang

                      Agree APF and jjyanks.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        What is this margarita doing in my hands, then?

        • jjyank

          More acceptable than shot of Bacardi. Yeah, I’m cheap.

          • Havok9120

            I’ll be living it up at 50 cent night in about 20 minutes, so there’s no cheapness stigma here.

    • Bob Buttons

      Nothing wrong as long as it’s after 5 pm.

      • Havok9120

        Whoops. Looks like I broke that rule.

        • Bob Buttons

          Well, it’s 5 o’clock somewhere in the world at all times, so…

    • Ted Nelson

      Sorry to hear it. Without knowing what actually happened, one of my favorite quotes is from Vince Lombardi: “the greatest accomplishment is not in never falling, but in rising again after you fall.”

      I wouldn’t worry too much about drinking on one week night. I mean, obviously alcohol is a drug and different people have to exercise different levels of caution in its consumption, but a nightcap or even a pretty hardcore happy hour isn’t particularly out of the ordinary.

      • jjyank

        Appreciated, Ted. I’ll be more than fine in the long run, just an especially shitty day in my (admittedly short) professional career.

        It’s just for the night anyways. I have a dodgeball game tomorrow night I have to be on my game for.

        • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

          Watch out for the wrench.

        • Betty Lizard

          Oh jjyank, I wouldn’t worry about drinking on one weeknight.

          For the record, I doubt that there was one night in my 16-year legal career that I DIDN’T drink.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Stay the course, bud. You’re going to be big time soon.

  • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

    I’ve never seen people happy that a player on their team may have been caught cheating. You guys are stand up folks.

    • Havok9120

      It’s insane. I’m still wide-eyed at him being happy he’s out for the year.

      It made the team worse, and possibly significantly so. Petty spite does not become anybody.

      • Get Phelps Up

        Well, he could be happy that ARod’s out because he’s a fan of another team…

        If not, that’s a pretty sat excuse for a Yankee fan.

      • barry

        Some times you need to get worse to get better. Getting all of the corruption out of the team should be important if you really care about the franchise.

        • jjyank

          People said the same thing in 2009 about A-Rod and Cody Ransom. It ain’t true, bro.

          • barry

            Isn’t you mean, “ain’t” isn’t a word. :P

            But the Yankees would be incredibly better off by losing A-lbatross forever. His contract is a bloated embarrassment. He has tainted everything he’s touched. He’s a cancer not only to the Yankees, but to baseball as a whole.

            • Get Phelps Up

              So the Yankees would be better without ARod’s contract? Tell me more…

              • barry

                How wouldn’t they be? You’re telling me that money wouldn’t be better spent on another athlete? Especially since we are going to hit that 189m cap next year and 30m would be a nice chunk to have open. Top of my head says that that’s about 16% of 189.

                • Get Phelps Up

                  I’m not telling you they wouldn’t be. They would be better off. However, this is the same stuff we’ve heard 325445 times before this offseason expressed in every conceivable fashion.

                  Yes, they would be better without it, but there’s really no way to get rid of it. So let him play it out and get what value you can from it.

                  • Get Phelps Up

                    To me, names on a spreadsheet (which is really all we have now) are NOT enough to void his contract.

                    • barry

                      Never said it was but at this point it would be the best case scenario for the A-Rod dilemma. I also think that A-Rod’s contract getting voided would provide the impetus for other athletes to stop. Suspensions and humiliation aren’t cutting it obviously.

                    • Get Phelps Up

                      ARod’s contract would get voided not just because he took PEDs but because he breached the terms of it (I’m guessing). So it wouldn’t do anything to encourage athletes to stop.

            • Havok9120

              But I, as you know from reading my post, am not saying the team wouldn’t be better off without that contract. I’m saying that, with that contract on the books, there is no logical reason to think it is better if ARod is bumming around the clubhouse and Tampa unable to play. None. He’ll still be around the team, he’ll still be getting pain, and he won’t be doing anything on the field where he is still a useful player.

              And that’s aside from the moralistic argument of “you’re wishing somebody harm and you shouldn’t do that,” which is really something I would think you’d be open to given the other thread.

              • Havok9120

                paid* instead of pain. Though pain too, probably.

    • Austin Aunelowitzky

      BTW, I’m not happy, but I think he’s guilty as sin…and I’d pursue any angle to void the contract if I were Hank/Hal.

      • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM))

        So would I. I love A-Rod, but at this point keeping his contract and keeping the player he has become vs having that 30 million to spend on other players…it’s no contest. However, I feel terrible for the guy.

  • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob)

    I am scared to read the alex thread. Partly because I do not want to see the craziness and partly because I am afraid I will agree with the negativity. I have defended Alex in the past but if this is true then he deserves the negativity that he recieves. If he is innocent then I feel for him. Either way it is a shame that this is happening and has to cloud the whole team/mlb.

    • Get Phelps Up

      About 200 of the comments in that thread are talking about Jeter’s new gf.

      • mustang

        WOW!!!!!

        Dude you spoil it!!!!!!

        -100

        • Get Phelps Up

          Sorry :(

      • barry

        I only distracted for like half an hour today then I went off to do other un-important things.

      • Austin Aunelowitzky

        I just went to the ARod thread to just read the DJ gf posts…glad I did. BTW, I broke that story last week on this site :)

    • mustang

      DO IT!!!!!

      I think many here would agree with me that the A-Rod thread is a MUST read.

    • Jimmy

      You would really be doing yourself a diservice at missing the notes from this afternoon’s mensa meeting over at the ARod thread.

  • Brian S.

    Who cares about all this bullshit? It’s hockey season!

    • Jimmy

      heh. David Clarkson has more points than Sidney Crosby.

    • barry

      What’s hockey?

  • Austin Aunelowitzky

    So say Alex is out for the year, and say Youk doesn’t make it out of March healthy…would you move Cano to 3B and put Adams at second?

    • Havok9120

      Now that’s an interesting thought…

      No. I’d rather have the stellar player doing his stellar thing on O and D and let the neophyte do what he can at third. The alternative is having one unproven and less capable guy at 2nd and a guy getting used to a new position at 3rd.

      • Austin Aunelowitzky

        Cano may not be in NY in 2014, but Adams man need to be…and Adams can’t play 3B.

        • Havok9120

          Is he that bad? I mean, they only put Adams at 3rd for, what, 30 games? Do we really know he can’t hack it?

          By the way, those 30 games are 30 more than Cano has had at 3rd base in the last decade.

    • barry

      Cano have the arm strength for it? Plus reaction times have to be pretty excellent for the hot corner. Not that they don’t need to be for 2nd but 3rd you need to be very close to the batter at times.

      • Austin Aunelowitzky

        I think he has the arm for it. He has a Plus Plus 2B Arm. Probably plays to an average 3B Arm.

        • barry

          i’d be for it because he could probably put on more muscle mass playing 3rd. Hate to say it but the same way A-Rod did when he came off short. He bulked up quite a bit. Hopefully the natural way.

  • cheddar

    I honestly wonder at this point if whatever production we might get from Alex going forward is worth these distractions and the lingering risk of additional distractions going forward. If there really is no way to void the contract (assuming the latest allegations have merit), it might be worth it in the grand scheme to just release him and move on. Even if he would up on another team in the division, I wouldn’t be at all concerned about him hurting us with the bat.

    • Havok9120

      I don’t think there is anyway releasing him is better for the team. All the money would still be owed, including the marketing bonuses as he hit the milestones, and he’s at least an average 3B/DH whose production we would have to replace.

      Nein.

  • Jim Camp

    This is what will go down. In the end MLB will back the Yankees and void his contract to make an example of him. The Yankees will donate the full contract amount to an MLB PED prevention program. This donation will be a write off tax-wise for the Yankees and will not be counted towards salary. Arod will have to serve a suspension, but will be free to sign with another team thereafter. You heard it here first. Long time RAB follower.

    • Jimmy

      And everyone gets a pony.

      • Havok9120

        But I don’t like ponies. :(

    • barry

      How about they donate it to something that matters like kids in Africa or something?

      I think that baseball should lifetime ban A-Rod for his alleged infractions spanning many years, many apologies, and many replapses. Make an example out of him and set a zero-tolerance standard that could cost you your future.

      If we piss hot in the Army, or any service for that matter, that’s it, you’re dead and gone.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Is your plan to stink up this open thread all night?

        • barry

          No, but I am bored soooo

          • mustang

            With all those beautiful women round you?

            No not you big boy.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        “I think that baseball should lifetime ban A-Rod for his alleged infractions”

        For the integrity of the criminal justice system, I hope to Mo that you’re never called for jury duty.

        • jjyank

          Haha, true that.

        • barry

          Ha, our justice system? There’s a shining beacon of how America has succeeded for sure.

          • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

            Well you wouldn’t be helping.

    • You should have shot Arod

      Your lips to gods ears

  • Yankeetavern

    This actually seems plausible

  • Robinson Tilapia

    There’s so little to say about this A-Rod thing until we hear more that everything past about comment #200 on the last thread is just wheel-spinning.

    I’ll say one last thing, and I’ll go back to making fun of dipshits after this: It would greatly sadden me if all this were true, not because I believe in his Yankee legacy or whatnot, but because Alex Rodriguez is a guy my age who went to a neighboring private high school in my area growing up.. I’ve been hearing about him since we were both teenagers, much like I went to HS with Lowell, watched the younger Griese play HS QB, etc. I don’t see how he steps back on a baseball field again if this is true, and watching that kind of downfall, deserved or not, would be sad.

    My gut tells me that where there’s smoke, there’s fire, and my belief is that you bet the Yankees should have every lawyer on their payroll looking for ways out of that contract right now (or having a serious heart-to-heart with Alex about how you potentially walk away with some fucking dignity – Children’s Aid Society, or my program, could sure use another big donation), but I would still rather see a place where none of this is true and he is back on the field in August or so, celery cap or not.

    It’s all fun and games…

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      It’s all fun and games…

      Yeah, until someone gets AIDS.

      • Pat D

        Not a problem in this universe:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prZXNhIG5js

      • Robinson Tilapia

        FWIW, I’m really not making light of the rather serious part of that. I’m just poking fun of what that sentence, left out there with so little context, sounds like.

      • barry

        You don’t get AIDS, you get HIV. AIDS is a condition.

    • Andy Pettitte’s Fibula

      Well said.

      To me, I can’t help but feel disappointed if this is true. I think Arod would have let down the Yankees and all us fans who defended and supported him after his mea culpa.

      I also can’t imagine him stepping foot in Yankee stadium again if he has to have another tail between his legs press conference apololgizing for fucking up again.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        I can’t imagine adding hundreds of millions to the hundreds of millions you already have would be worth it, but what do I know.

        Again, I hope we look back at this as a dumb fucking story the New Times got wrong.

  • E

    Anyone really strong at math out there? Got a tough Multivariate calc question

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    Oh hey, guys, did you hear that A-Rod did PEDs? Recently? And lied?

    Just, you know, not sure if you’ve heard yet.

  • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

    My serious take: I don’t give a shit.

    There, take over. I hope he comes back and contributes.

    • Get Phelps Up

      This is my view as well.

      • RetroRob

        That is the view of about 99.5% of Yankee fans. I’m talking True Yankee Fans.

        • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

          I resent this comment. But honestly, not really.

        • forensic

          I think that’s a little unfair. Assuming they accept the reality that there’s likely no way to void the contract, of course Yankee fans should hope he comes back and contributes. That part is fine.

          But, though I also don’t really care (though if it’s true, it’s not exactly a validation of how bright he is), it’s not fair to begrudge someone and say they’re not a real fan if they’re not happy about the situation and that someone on the Yankees might still be HGH/PED’ing.

  • forensic

    Wow, almost 850 comments on just one article (mostly just quoting another article), one barely news note, and one open thread?

    Looks like it’s been quite a day here in RAB land…

  • Nuke Guy (Knoxvillain)

    I’m not surprised at all that there is more to A-Rod’s past PED use assuming that these reports are indeed true. But I am very surprised that he continued it up until this past season.