Tuesday Night Open Thread


According to a recent Harris poll, baseball is the second most popular sport in the country behind football. A distant second, but still second. That’s not all that surprising, but what is surprising is that college football is in third place and isn’t far behind baseball at all. There’s a chance it could jump into second with baseball falling into third in the not-too-distant future, but I’ll have to see it to believe it. Baseball is in great shape right now and the creation of the second wildcard should increase interest since more teams will have a shot at the postseason. Then again, college football is implementing a four-team playoff tournament in 2014. Who knows.

Anyway, here is tonight’s open thread. The Nets are playing tonight and that’s pretty much it as far as local sports go, but don’t worry, hockey will be back in less than two weeks. Talk about whatever you like here. Enjoy.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Hoss says:

    To think, he could have been a Yankee…

  2. Havok9120 says:

    Having now lived in the South for 8 years, this information doesn’t surprise me at all. In fact, I would have been surprised if college football WASN’T 3rd.

  3. MB923 says:

    Are you a Giants and/or Bonds fan now Mike?

  4. trr says:

    Baseball is hugely popular in some places, (like NY!) less popular down south, the opposite of college football. Baseball is doing well – witness the huge salaries teams (er, teams not called the Yankees, that is) are doling out….

  5. Pat D says:

    College football and football shouldn’t be separate choices in that poll. Obviously there are differences, but football is football.

    In other news, is it reasonable to think that when your 63-year old father gets sick and has shown little to no signs of improvement in the nearly two weeks that he’s been sick that he’ll never get well?

    • Havok9120 says:

      I can’t stand college football. Bores me to tears and I can’t get into it. NFL football I love.

      And it’s reasonable, sure. But I’ve had too many long-lived family members to tell you that it’s a sure sign of anything. Chronic (but not permanent) illnesses become more common at that age, even if the person in question is gonna live into his 90s.

    • Herby says:

      People can turn it around…depends what he’s sick with and the kind of shape he’s in, but 63 isn’t ancient. Sometimes it just takes time for the body to fight things off.

      • Pat D says:

        That’s part of the problem. He has fibromyalgia and he basically lets things defeat him. His solution when he gets sick is to just lay in bed and I think that only makes it worse.

        • Herby says:

          It doesn’t really help pain to sit and wait for it to go away…some will scream but some edible marijuana would be a huge boost for something like that. Probably improve his outlook too. Shame N.Y. doesn’t have a med marijuana program…despite the misuse by some it’s helps quite a few…and I see a lot happier grannies these days too. Could look it up, there is a bit of info of use with fibromyalgia.

          • Pat D says:

            We live in PA and I’m pretty sure that there’s no medical marijuana program. I doubt he’d go for it anyway.

            • Herby says:

              Yea, it’s a hard sell for many.

              • Pat D says:

                Yea, and while the state has gone Democratic in every Presidential election since ’92, we’ve had two Republican governors and largely Republican-controlled legislature since then.

                Plus, there’s a very high senior citizen population, so I have a feeling it would be near impossible to get on a ballot, let alone pass.

    • Jacob says:

      My 80 something year old grea grandfather had a heart attack and walked some miles to the hospital, he lived until he was 97. I don’t know if that helps but what I mean by it is you never know, life is crazy just always keep up hope for wellness

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

      Not necessarily.

      Mostly depends on his diagnosis.

  6. Easy as 123 says:

    Soooooo Morse?

  7. Pat D says:

    This HOF election is going to turn out to be a joke. That poor sap from the Hall of Fame is going to be on MLBN tomorrow and have to look into the camera and say, “No one met the required 75% threshold” or some such nonsense while he has a look on his face that says he’d rather be filmed taking a shit. Then he’ll have to plead with the people watching to come to the induction ceremony where they will honor three men who died before World War II.

    The problem with all of this? You can’t change or fix it. What’s going to change about it? They’re not going to change the balloting. They’re not going to get rid of the 10 vote limit. They’re not going to change the electorate, and from some other online polls I’ve seen, particularly at ESPN, that wouldn’t help, either.

    The only thing that will change it is the natural progression of time. What do I mean by that? These old writers who think they’re the moral guardians of some sacred building have to start dying out to be replaced by younger people who don’t share their prejudices. Pedro Gomez said on SportsCenter that everything will be a-OK come next year because Maddux and Glavine will be on the ballot and they’re shoo-ins. Fine. What about Frank Thomas? Is he going to be punished like all these other guys on this year’s ballot? I’m guessing he will, and that’s still a huge problem.

    I wish I could just detach myself from caring about this, but for some reason I can’t. I wish I knew how to quit you, HOF.

    • Jacob says:

      Agreed. I don’t care whether you believe in the no roids in the HOF or if you think they should be in, either way players that deserve to get in are going to be left out and some that might not have got in this year but maybe the future (Bernie? Biggio? Murphy?) Could possibly get booted off the ballot. Not fair no matter what.

      • Pat D says:

        Well, Murphy is in his 15th year, so he’s off the ballot no matter what. At this point I don’t expect Bernie to get 5% to stay on either.

        • Jacob says:

          Yea it sucks too I had a shred of hope bernie would make it.

          • Pat D says:

            When he got less than 10% last year, I knew he’d be fucked this year.

            • Jacob says:

              If only he retired earlier, or later he might have a better shot. People relly underrate him though, he was a very very good player

              • Pat D says:

                No, he needed 664 more hits. He needed 3 things to get them: to become a full time player a little earlier, to last as a starting-caliber player a little longer, and to not have missed quite as much time as he did in a few years.

  8. Nathan says:

    Bonds CRUSHED it.

    If I remember correctly, didn’t Giambi actually mention Bonds during his press conference? Something along the lines of “they could have had Barry Bonds but chose me”.

  9. Alkaline says:

    Thanks for the advice about the half from the other day guys. I’ve done one before, but was injured so I only ran 7 miles in my training before running it. And I’ve discovered HIIT with the treadmill since I hate running on them, so I have to bide my time for some warmer weather for more long distant runs (February hopefully).

    I also can’t wait till Spring training to get some baseball on tv!

    • Anthony says:

      Good luck! HIIT is so awesome, I don’t even mind running on the treadmill. But to each his own!

      • SD Charlie says:

        HIIT, as in High Intensity Interval Training? My trainer buddy gave me a program to follow for that, and it’s made treadmill running bearable, maybe even enjoyable. Had a good one yesterday, too.

  10. BigBlueAL says:

    Best part of that game was Mo facing Bonds in the 9th in a tie game and striking him out. Unfortunately the Giants scored a run with 2 outs on a Soriano error and won by a run.

    Im stunned by that poll how low the NBA is, behind auto racing?? Seriously?? Of all the major sports Im pretty sure basketball (NBA and college) get the 2nd best TV ratings behind football. It certainly is covered by the media alot more than any other sport besides football in the national media in shows like Around the Horn, PTI etc.

    Still its nice to see baseball that high compared to non football sports, baseball is far from a dying sport.

  11. MB923 says:

    Auto racing ahead of the NBA. Hahahaha.

  12. Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

    Alex Rodriguez will undergo surgery on his left hip on Jan. 16, and the surgeon who will perform the operation says “optimistically, he should come back after the All-Star break. But Dr. Bryan Kelly, who will perform the operation at the Hospital for Special Surgery in Manhattan, acknowledged that Rodriguez’s recovery could take longer and that the extent of the damage to the third baseman’s hip will not be fully known until he is on the operating table.”

    The All Star game is July 16th which means he expects Arod to be out at least a full 6 months “optimistically ” if not longer.

    Hopefully this statement directly from the mouth of Orthopedic surgeon Bryan Kelly, MD from the Hospital for Special Surgery will once and for all put to bed the debate around how soon Arod can be expected to return.

    • Ted Nelson says:

      That does not justify speculating it would take longer previously in any logical way, but then I guess logic ireally sn’t your thing. Take a guess and if you end up being right, gloat about it! Much better way to approach life.

      • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

        I don’t usually like to gloat but after your bloated long winded contrarian diatribes about how everyone including me and Mike Axisa, M.D. was making things up and was ” deceiving” others when we spoke about Arod likely not coming back for 6+ months post surgery, which by the way was completely logical considering this situation, I decided to make an exception.

        Nearly 38 year old player, missed 190 games over last 5 years, 2nd hip surgery now on the ” good” hip which is a far more involved procedure compared to his prior surgery with estimated time of recovery 4-6 months post op, it’s not “speculation” to opine he would likely return after 6 months or more, it’s common sense and Dr Bryan Kelly apparently concurs.

        • Ted Nelson says:

          Do you even know what speculation means?

          • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

            Dude, you we wrong so just give it up. It happens to all of us. It wouldn’t even have been brought up if you weren’t so pompous about the topic in the first place.

            Feel free to create a straw man which I see will be coming momentarily. I’m taking R Tils advice and will end my participation after 3 posts.

            • Ted Nelson says:

              No, you were still wrong and after all this time you still don’t seem to know what a strawmen argument is.

              • Ted Nelson says:

                I tell you that I know for sure when you flip a quarter it will be heads. You flip a quarter. It’s heads. Does that mean my thesis that it would definitely be heads was right?

                • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                  Length of injury recovery isn’t a 50/50 proposition.

                  • Ted Nelson says:

                    The odds are irrelevant to my point, but if you have no knowledge about the injury other than news clippings and those have the Dr. telling you 4-6 months what would you put the odds at? If anything they were less than 50%, since the window was 4-6 and we’re talking about greater than 6.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                      The length of injury recovery isn’t random. Factors such as age and previous injuries factor in. There weren’t equal odds of every possible length of recovery. Given Arod’s history, a longer recovery was the higher probability. A point which many here have logically made.

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      Your argument is that unrelated injuries impact the recovery time and a world class athlete who is 37 years old will recover slowly, and you feel you are making a logical point? LOL

                      You don’t think a doctor might have considered those factors in his assessment, but you are so logical that you did! Genius, you must be a nobel laureate!

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      Or perhaps an alchemist if you can turn news articles into medical diagnoses.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                      Wow. Just wow. It isn’t logical to assume previous damage to the opposite hip could impact recovery time? It isn’t logical to assume age could impact recovery time? You don’t need to be a doctor for this, it’s common sense. Of course the doctor considered these factors. These outside factors don’t guarantee that the recovery time will be longer. They do factor into the likelihood of whether the recovery time will be closer to best case scenario or worst case scenario. I don’t recall anyone associated with the Yankees or ARod’s doctors saying there was an equal chance of the low end of the recovery time as the high end.

                      Your argument is that unrelated injuries impact the recovery time
                      Opposite hip isn’t unrelated to the recovery, given the need for the previously injured hip to shoulder a bigger load in the recovery process.

                      a world class athlete who is 37 years old will recover slowly
                      I didn’t say he will recover slowly. I said there was a higher probability of it do due his age. World class or not, most athletes that age do logically recover more slowly, depending on the nature of the injury.

                      There is logically a higher probability that a 20-year old elite athlete with no severe injury history would be more likely to meet the best case scenario recovery projection than a 37-year old with ARod’s history. That doesn’t mean ARod couldn’t have come in at the short end of the recovery time, or that the 20 year old would. It just means that logically, there is a higher probability that ARod would be closer to the worst case scenario.
                      I’m sure you understand that point, but just wish to argue incessantly for no reason, so I’ll leave you to argue with yourself.

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      THIS is where Long Jon Daniels should chime in with motorboatin’ the watusi while sippin on some jive juice…..or something.

                    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                      NP&H, my best advice is to quit while you’re ahead while you still have your sanity.

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      Right the doctors gave a 4-6 month window because they thought it was really a 5-7 month window. Makes sense.

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      You prefer to quit while you’re behind, huh, Fibula?

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                      Right the doctors gave a 4-6 month window because they thought it was really a 5-7 month window. Makes sense.

                      And the strawman returns…..never said anything like that.
                      They gave a 4-6 month window because they thought it would be 4-6 months. Outside factors such as age and previous injuries would impact the probability of whether he would be closer to 4 or closer to 6 months.

                      I’ll leave you now to continue to argue against things nobody ever said….

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      I’m so glad I actually wrote something thoughtful below about college sports. What a waste of time.

                      I should have just joined in the No No Donkey going on here as to when Alex Rodriguez is coming back just to prove that, in fact, I have the biggest dick here.

                      Take it to a fucking bar or street corner already.

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      My whole point, Robinson, is that I have no idea when he’ll come back and neither do these clowns.

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      I stopped caring what the point was a couple of days ago when this argument started.

                      Sorry, folks. Love all three of you on here. This is exasperating, though. I should just resolve to scroll down.

                  • Ted Nelson says:

                    It’s not a strawmen, you are jumping into someone else’s conversation. Fibula did not say it was likely to be closer to 6. He said 6 or longer was likely. If you don’t even know what is being discussed why the hell would jump in? Just to pick a fight?

                    You are changing the argument around, but I am making the strawmen argument?

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                      You brought up the 5-7 months in reply to my comment, not Fibula’s.
                      I didn’t change any argument. I directly responded to statements you actually made.

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      Meant for Need Pitching & Hitting above

                    • Ted Nelson says:

                      Re-read the comments. It’s right there in writing.

                      “we’re talking about greater than 6.” first thing I said to you.

                      This was me and Fibula’s conversation. That is what we were talking about. You got into the conversation. Why? To make a related point that had nothing to do with our argument and was a tangential argument?

                      Get a life. You are wrong. Fibula was wrong. Deal with it.

                    • Need Pitching & Hitting says:

                      What did I say that was wrong?
                      That it’s logical to think injury history or age are likely to impact recovery time? LOL, keep thinking you’re right.
                      And btw, greater than 6 is not 5-7. And it’s also completely irrelevant to the point I was making.

                      I’m done with your nonsense.

                    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                      My apologies to anyone who is unfortunate enough to read these rantings of a madman for setting off this psychopath.

                    • toad says:

                      I think the point here is that the doctors know all about A-Rod’s age, injury history, general health, and so on. There’s nothing there we know that they don’t, and in fact they know much more.

                      So their estimate of 4-6 months recovery time takes all that into account. It’s just wrong to claim that you know these things that they don’t, and therefore the estimate is low. We have vastly less knowledge of the specifics here than the doctor does, not to mention vastly less medical knowledge (at least those of us who are not physicians).

                      Claiming the estimate was too low is equivalent to claiming you know more about all this than the surgeon. You don’t.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:


        • Ted Nelson says:

          Anyone can hit on a 50/50 proposition 50% of the time, that doesn’t mean you had any qualification to assess A-Rod’s medical situation.

          • Reuben Sierra's Chains says:

            God man, do you do anything else with your life outside of RAB. How can you possibly continually argue with everyone day in and day out on here.

            Go outside and take a breather. Maybe you won’t be so damn insane when you come back.

            • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

              It’s gonna take a lot more than a “breather” to cure that kind of crazy.

              I’m thinking more like a few thousand hours of therapy and handfuls of psychotropic drugs.

              • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

                Well. I take back what I said below. Your relationship with Ted is actually, somehow, WORSE than my relationship with Greg. Greg just drives me absolutely insane, but I don’t actually think he’s a bad person. Just an utterly infuriating one.

                • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

                  I don’t think he’s inherently a “bad” person either. Hostile, arrogant, pathologically nasty, condescending, unable to admit when he’s wrong-but not necessarily a bad person. He might be a priest for all we know.

                  • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

                    I get the impression that Greg and I have personalities that just rub each other the wrong way-probably because we’re both pretty emotional, but the way Greg expresses it just drives me up the wall.

                  • Jim Is Bored says:

                    Yeah lets bring religion into the discussion. That makes you seem like the bigger person.

                    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula (formerly Manny's BanWagon) says:

                      Bring religion into the conversation? Please don’t put words in my mouth.

                      I just used a Priest as an example of a good person. I could have used Rabbi, Minister, Reverend, what ever you wish.

                      No one is bringing religion into anything especially since I lean towards the Atheist/Agnostic side anyway,

  13. Need Pitching & Hitting says:

    Apparently Jim Callis/BA ranked Yanks farm #11 overall. Not bad. Not bad at all.


    • jjyank says:

      That’s really awesome, in my opinion, when you consider the Banuelos and Campos injuries and Betances falling apart further.

  14. forensic says:

    I’m pretty surprised how low college basketball is on that list. Below hockey??? I thought it’d be ahead of the NBA too, but oh well.

    • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

      College basketball died in my eyes when all best players started jumping to the NBA right from high school and now after their freshman year.

      The level of play has just tanked since that started IMO and as soon as you start following a good player, he’s gone.

      • Pistol Pete says:

        So let’s see I guess these young athletes should jeopardize their financial future so you could enjoy college basketball more. I think if a player wants to go professional out of high school or any time in college it’s fine. This is America and free enterprise rules. There is no reason a young athlete should jeopardize injury for you or any one else’s pleasure.

        • Pat D says:

          The NBA age requirement might as well be repealed. The one-and-dones in college basketball is far worse than the guys just going right to the NBA.

        • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

          I never said that. I think it’s unfair to put any age restriction on potential NBA players since no other industry that I’m aware of has such a policy.

          My point was that IMO, it severely damaged college BB as a product.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          I’m torn..

          On one hand, I think it’s fucking criminal that we blow smoke up most of these kids’ asses and tell them they can be the next Kobe Bryant.

          On the other, as someone who is married to an actual full-time university professor who deals with student athletes constantly (and have many friends other than my wife who are as well), the number of them who show up to class in any sort of shape to actually focus on academics seems to outnumber those who can handle both. Academic scholarships are great for many, many reasons, but whether they’re truly producing viable degrees as “Plan B……” I’m not so sure. Perhaps it’s better for everyone if these kids are allowed to move on when they feel they’re ready. It’s also easier to say when they’re, say, a UConn basketball star, and not when they’re trying to get by at Joe Schmo University.

          It’s complicated, as life often is.

          • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

            Obviously a very tough topic.

            Whether or not it’s better for a scholarship athlete to stay and get his degree or jump to the professional ranks early going for the money, I think that decision should be up to the individual and his family, not mandated by NFL or NBA policy.

            • Robinson Tilapia says:

              I don’t think an age restriction is the solution either. I’m also thinking about more than the level of play here.

              Frankly, I’m thinking about what we do early on to, say, stop Brien Taylor from happening or, hell, Penn State, but both of those are much bigger cans of worm than I’m willing to get myself into tonight.

          • SD Charlie says:

            I suppose it’s a forgone conclusion that excelling in a sport no longer means access to a free college education? Now it’s just a springboard to a fat contract, while not developing any useful life skills or obtaining a degree? Complicated, to be sure, and sad. I also agree that top-level college basketball is being undermined by the one-and-done phenomenon. By the way, not trying to incite a riot here, just typing it out to wrap my own head around it.

  15. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    That is with out a doubt the longest and hardest baseball I have ever seen hit at the old ball park.

  16. Pat D says:

    Well, there’s no real player named Steve Nebraska.

    Steve Nebraska is a real player.

    No, he’s not.

    Yes he is, I’ve seen him.

    You’ve seen him?

    You haven’t seen him.

    Yes, I have.

    You’ve seen a man with such power that he was capable of hitting a ball clear out of old Yankee Stadium and be able to throw a perfect game on the very same night?


    But I have seen a man hit a ball clear out of old Yankee Stadium.

    Oh, and no man that’s not capable of hitting a ball clear out of old Yankee Stadium and be able to throw a perfect game on the very same night could possibly have done it, therefore couldn’t possibly be any other man than Steve Nebraska. Is that what you’re telling me?


    Like I said, there’s no real player named Steve Nebraska.

  17. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I was on the Miami Hurricanes bandwagon in the 80′s, when it was easy to do so. I am pretty convinced that college football will always be the second most popular sport in South Florida, even if the Heat were to sign Kobe Bryant and feed Bartolo Colon to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

    Other than that, though, I’m definitely much more of a professional sports fan than I am a college sports fan. Maybe 15% of that or so actually is about the over-glorification of sports on college campuses, but most of it actually is just about preferring the pro game. March Madness is always the exception to all this. Nothing like it.

    I am FAR more a baseball fan than anything else. I watch about 75% of Yankee games. I rarely make it a point to stay home on Sundays for the NFL, and I wind up following the Heat only through box scores, really, and not as often as I should.

    • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

      Baseball is my number one, no contest. Not even close. The Yankees are my team. Giants are number two. I enjoy watching them and I try and make a point to see them on Sundays but I’ve never been as into them as the Yankees. I do get REALLY into it during the playoffs though.

      I love the Devils too, and it fucking SUCKS that they play on MSG+. What the Hell is that about? Now I get the Rangers and Flyers but no Devils. Pisses me off. Honestly, if I got the Devils around here hockey would probably vault over football for the number two spot. I love the day to day grind of the season. Waiting a full week between games drives me crazy. In an ideal world the shift between baseball and hockey would be seamless.

      I can’t stand basketball (though if I did enjoy it I’d probably be a Nets fan). The one exception, is March Madness, where I’m a Duke fan. I have no idea what makes those games different from other basketball games, but they just are.

      As for college football I’ve always considered myself a Notre Dame fan, but they’ve been mediocre for so long I kind of stopped watching them. This season was the first year I got really into it. I think the most fun I’ve ever had watching college football was the ND-Pitt game. When Pitt missed the field goal I jumped in the air and screamed (which was nothing compared to my reactions when Ibanez hit those HRs, BTW).

      So, my order:

      1) Baseball

      (medium-large gap)

      2) Football
      (barely any gap)
      3) Hockey (if I got the Devils it would probably vault over football)

      (medium gap)

      4) March Madness

      (medium gap)

      5) College football

      …Pro basketball doesn’t make the list. I can’t stand it.

  18. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I think A-Rod will be back FOR OPENING DAY. We’re taking this shit to a new level right here.

  19. MartinRanger says:

    More important question: is that TED LILLY throwing that pitch? I’m pretty sure, based on the delivery and handedness, it is. I’ve always had a soft spot for him.

  20. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Fibula, I feel like your relationship with Ted Nelson is extremely similar to my relationship with Greg.

  21. Get Phelps Up says:

    Looks like I missed quite the open thread here…

    • Havok9120 says:

      The number of comments jumped from 67 to 112 since I last looked in here. That’s never really a good sign when we’re talking random Open Threads in the middle of the week.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        It needs to stop. At this point, I’m going to cart Alex Rodriguez out myself on Opening Day and sit his ass on third base just to shut everyone up.

        It’s unbelievable to me that, outside of Congress, people would care so much about being right about so little.

  22. Joe says:

    I’ve lost a lot of interest in the game since the steroid era. You didn’t have to through the frustration of losing 2 -1 games where offense costs you games today to the extent it does today compare to the past. I’m very dissapointed by the way the game is played today. During the steroid era you never felt you weren’t going to win if you got a good pitched game,now I feel the complete opposite.

  23. Mandy Stankiewicz says:

    A little surprised by the college football, but that’s coming from a NY resident who attended SVA on 23rd street.

  24. Rizi Walnuts says:

    Don’t really get college football. Does that make a bad person?

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