Feb
12
Open Thread: 2/12 Camp Notes
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Michael Pineda threw off a full mound today. (Star-Ledger)
The first day of Spring Training, when pitchers and catchers report, isn’t exactly the busiest day as far as news go. I’ve already recapped Joe Girardi‘s press conference, but here are some other random notes from Tampa…
- Yogi Berra won’t be in camp as a guest instructor this year. He is in good health and plans to be at the Stadium this summer, but traveling down to Florida is a bit of a chore at 87 years old. Jorge Posada, however, is in camp as a guest instructor. [Dan Martin & Bryan Hoch]
- CC Sabathia said having elbow surgery to clean out a bone spur in October was “a relief.” He said he has better range of motion and doesn’t feel an “ache” when he extends to finish pitches. Sabathia is down to 290 lbs. and called it his ideal weight. He’ll throw his first bullpen on Thursday. [Jack Curry & Hoch]
- Austin Romine dropped 13 pounds this winter and his back feels “absolutely fantastic.” He, obviously, has a golden opportunity to make the team this spring. [Chad Jennings & Hoch]
- If you care about uniform numbers, then you’ll be happy to know Frankie Cervelli reclaimed his old #29 now that Rafael Soriano is gone. David Phelps switched to #35, which Michael Pineda wore last spring. Pineda switched to #43. [all Mark Feinsand]
- Kenji Nimura, who served as Hiroki Kuroda‘s interpreter with the Dodgers and last year with the Yankees, is now doing the same job with the Rangers for Yu Darvish. I’m sure the Yankees dug up a capable replacement. [David Lennon]
- And finally, Mariano Rivera has received permission to report to camp late. He’ll be in Tampa tomorrow. Nothing new here, this has been going on for years. [Jennings]
Here is your open thread for the night. The Rangers and Devils are both playing, but talk about whatever you like here. Enjoy.
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kind of sad about yogi. anybody who hasn’t read ‘driving mr. yogi’ oughta. two of the top ten people on earth you’d like to be friends with.
but jorgie’s presence will compensate some. i heart jorgie.
What’s Gator to do for his dinner plans?
I have that book, actually, just never got around to reading it. After this comment, I’ll make it a priority.
*places book on top of toilet seat*
There we go.
Thanks for the rec…I’ll grab that book and check it out.
So, CC is done to his pre-traveling and eating like shit weight as per the usual off season routine. He’s gonna be 200 pounds when he retires. Unless he takes a job with a team in a coaching capacity, in which case he’s gonna go the way of Joba The Hut
Seriously how dumb are the Dbacks “Gregorius did not take a physical at the time of the trade”, people call out the Yanks for buying “damaged” good in the Pineda trade. But they actually did unknowingly trade for damaged goods. Even if you want to make the deal regardless use the medicals as leverage to get more.
http://www.freep.com/usatoday/.....dyssey=mod|newswell|text|Detroit%20Tigers|s
That’s just plain embarrassing.
What’s crazy to me is that 290lbs to CC is the ideal weight. My ideal weight is 175, that guy is a monster of a human being.
Well, I’m assuming that you’re not ~6’7”. I;m 6’2”, and my ideal weight is in the 200-210 range. Doesn’t seem all that crazy to me that an extra 5 inches means an extra 80 pounds or so. That’s on the high end, for sure, but he’s just a big dude.
It’s not just the height either, it’s the width. His shoulder are frickin’ huge.
Must have been hard for you to post this comment without taking a shot at Ichiro.
(Am I doing it right? Read a few comments today and I think I’m doing it right.)
Well played, sirrah.
(curtsy)
It’s there. You have to stare at the comment for a while.
Yeah, I’ve got fairly broad shoulders but CC is in a whole ‘nother league.
Unless the picture Mike posted in last week’s chat is the opposite of “fat Jeter,” then it sure looks like he lost more than 30 pounds. So if he really is at 290 now, then he might be 330+ range during the season.
For someone to be 6’7″ and as big and broad as CC, 30 pounds would not show as it would on the rest of us. This looks like he shed at least 50 pounds, but then again, maybe it’s just a photo illusion like it was with Jeter.
https://twitter.com/espnSteveLevy/status/299674491754250242/photo/1
Worth mentioning the Yankees FB page had a picture of CC from today and he looks great. No photoshopping, he’s damn skinny
https://twitter.com/Yankees/status/301493223895998465/photo/1
Yeah, I mean the loose, blue tops the Yanks wear in ST are more forgiving, but it’s clear he’s dropped more than 30 lbs., no matter what he says. Maybe he’s 30 pounds lighter than last ST, but 50 since the end of last season. I just saw somewhere else that CC said he’s only down ten pounds from the end of last season. Come on, CC!
More interesting is he indirectly pretty much said his arm bothered him the entire second half of last year, but feels good now as he doesn’t feel the ache that he felt last year, and believes he should get better extension on his pitches.
His left elbow dropped 10 lbs when they took out the bone spur.
Kinda makes me wonder if CC will gain some of the velocity back that he had lost last year.
Maybe, unless he lost too much weight, although that’s driven by leg and arm strength.
His velocity wasn’t down dramatically, but it was down. If the elbow was preventing full extension, I think there’s a chance he could gain it back. He’s a lefty, though. I worry less about velocity loss than I would a righty. Still plenty there even if he stays at what we saw in 2012.
Your right about that, he definitely has the stuff to pitch on lesser velocity. Andy Pettit proved last, year that you don’t need velocity to succeed
Seeing CC as skinny (relative to his old size) as that reminds me of this.
http://mlbmemes.com/2012/12/04.....-jeter-or/
I am 5’7
So, yeah. Not really comparable.
So am I. 175 seems high for our ideal weight.
I’m 5’10″ and 175 is my ideal weight (unfortunatley tipped the scales at 178 this morning.) It all depends on body type as much as height.
All this ideal weight talk and not one juvenile dick joke.
….I’m waiting.
Pretty much anything above could have ended with “yeah, I weigh 220, but half of it…”
Penis.
Long Duck Dong.
Yeah, it’s weird to think about. Even with me just 1 6’5″-6’6″ I gain and lose 10-20 pound increments fairly frequently (and often without noticing), and my “natural” size is nowhere near CC’s.
It is amazing that his ‘ideal weight’ is the weight that would cripple just about everyone else on th…..
*realizes he’s saying this to a bunch of dudes posting on a sports blog*
*backing away slowly….*
I saw the Open Thread titled as “Camp Notes” and my heart skipped a beat. I forgot about the daily camp notes in the Open Thread.
Baseball is officially back! w00t
I know what you mean, it felt good.
would LOVE to see Romine make the team out of spring traing!
Yes please.
I’ve been on the record before saying that I’d like to see this as well. He’d have to earn the shit out of it though, of course.
Yep, because if all of them suck (and remain healty) in ST, i think the Yankees are taking Stewart and Cervelli north.
Yeah, I think you’re right. I just think that Romine at least offers some upside there, though. By no means do I want the Yankees to hand him the job, but I would really love nothing more than to see him force their hand.
Sure, he offers more upside than Cervelli and Stewart.
Didn’t he cracked some (as in all) top 100 prospects lists a couple of years ago?
And another question came to my mind, who was a higher rated prospect Romine or the one of the red sox (Lavarnway)?
Romine was number 98 in the 2011 BA rankings after a nice showing in his first season at AA. I don’t think Lavarnway was ever ranked, but with Romine’s injuries I think a lot of people consider him the better prospect now, although there are legitimate questions about whether he can stick at C (and his bat isn’t good enough to play elsewhere).
Hooray for baseball being back!!!
I’m sure this will roll some eyes, but if Pineda is throwing off a full mound already (and he looks like he’s extending it pretty well) doesn’t the all-star break sound overly conservative?
Anything in 2013 (considering the possibilities of setbacks) is optimistic, IMO. Got to think of him like Aardsma of 2013.
I’m not so sure about that. I think the all-star break is very possible, not necessarily optimistic. I think whatever we get from Pineda in 2013 is gravy, but I’m pretty sure we’ll get something.
Agreed, we’ll get gravy, wait and see.
Nevertheless, this is not the most important year for Pineda in pinstripes, is next year.
Without doing any research on pitchers recovering from labrum surgery… yes, the All-Star Break sounds very do-able. I think its a hope for the best, prepare for the worst kind of thing.
The Drs last yr said he’d be pitching 12 months after surgery. Sounds like he’s perfectly on schedule. The yanks will probably go slower than they should, but that’s understandable. But to answer your question, it sounds like he should be pitching in the minors well before the break.
My guess is that the yanks hope they don’t have a glaring need in the staff. Hopefully everyone stays healthy and Hughes, nova & phelps can handle the 4/5 spots. Yanks probably would be happy if they could keep him down there until Sept call ups. I’m sure Pineda would not be happy, ha.
If I had to guess (and keep in mind this is entirely made up bullshit), he probably won’t really be airing it out for quite some time.
They will probably sit him in AAA for a month at least after he gets off the dl. If they do that they can get back the extra year of team control.
Just have to say, good riddance finally (it appears) to Christopher Dorner.
ditto, the deceased cops and their families are in my prayers
CNN mentioned earlier that some 84-year-old woman was watching the broadcast and noticed it was her home Dorner was holed up in. Wonder how she feels seeing it burn to the ground on TV. Her son is also a firefighter, which a bit ironic.
I sure hope she doesn’t have Allstate as her insurance. They’ll probably refuse to pay out for the home after they tell her she didn’t have the “act of police department” rider. Yeah, they suck.
It may suck, but they’re doing the right thing so she’ll have to understand.
If he was somehow still alive and her son went there to put out the fire, I bet she’d be less happy if he didn’t make it out alive, or even if he was just caught with exploding ammunition or whatever else might be in there with him.
I wasn’t questioning the act. If it was my home I would understand, although I would not be happy! Considering this is not even her primary home, I’m guessing she’ll be fine until it’s rebuilt, if she even bothers. She still owns the land, and that’s the value.
I, however, stand by my comments regarding Allstate.
Maybe we should just leave it at “this would be a hard one to relate to….”
I would be pissed. Sure it’s understandable from the outside, but a home is often someone’s entire life’s possesions.
Yeah, but it’s still just possessions. The lives of the Police and Fire personnel take priority over that.
hey axisa,
mike carp post in the morning, k?
he’s got some pop
What are they supposed to do with him? Bat him tenth as the second DH?
You and your fucking Ichiro. I swear.
didn’t you say girardi announced earlier that he is still looking for a RH DH during camp?
Mike Carp is a lefty batter.
He’s a lefty.
Oh what… he can’t learn to bat lefthanded? I thought he was a friggin’ professional.
*righthanded*
DOH!
*reads above comments*
You’re handle is too similar to mine.
dance-off.
ruh-roh.
Man, Pineda throwing of a full mound!!
There is hope fellows.
I still can’t wait to see him pitch , I think he’ll finish his career being more valuable than Montero.
I’m interested in seeing how Montero is on Defense. I still think the trade isn’t lost.
someone witty on rab pointed out last season that montero and noesi have negative WARs; pineda and campos, of course, totalled zero.
yankees win the trade!
It’s officially a new season, the new (and permanent) handle is it’s own now.
Baseball is now officially almost, almost back. Best part about this season is I’ll be able to watch most of the games if I eschew my (potential) social life because I’m not working Monday-Wednesday nights this season. So the douche who complained about me constantly complaining about Suzyn and John won’t have anything to post about this season
Who are you? : -)
Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle, formerly The Plouffinator, formerly Chen Meng Wang.
Talk about multiple personality disorder
I’m getting ready to drop my former alias as well but he kept yours for like 8 months, no?
*you not he
No, like 2 or three, I came up with it shortly after the season ended and decided to keep RI AKA TMR till the season started.
You’ll always be Plouffy to me.
I think I’ve been Retro for a couple years now. Perhaps it’s time for a new name, but then I might confuse myself again and start responding to my postings!
You eventually become “ClassicRob.”
What about *gulp* me? I can’t give this up.
What’s wrong with “Fish Fingers”?
I never got any of your other handles so I guess it’s fitting I don’t get this one either haha.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalek
So…please, please complain about Kay and Flaherty
There aren’t enough greater than signs to emphisis how much better than John and Suzyn Micheal and John are.
Maybe, but they still suck.
You’re still Plouffy to me.
Always.
Who are you? Why are you here?
Better than watching the SOTU address is watching the VP and The Speaker respond to what he’s saying….so funny.
Flipping back and forth between the basketball game and that on the commercials. I know they’re mostly all a bunch of self-serving dumbasses, but some of the things people there refuse to applaud.
Better childcare and early education? BOO!!!
With you Brutter…
‘refuse to applaud baffles me…’
Basic politeness takes a back seat to the possibility Drudge might post a screencap of you smiling.
Some of the things that people applaud are pretty damn stupid as well.
Take money from the rich and give to lazy people? WOOHOO!!!!!
Ugh, just had to go there didn’t you?
I guess I’d care more if I had any fucking connection to this person, but I don’t.
Yeah I don’t remember Obama saying anything about that.
Reasonably people can disagree on his policies, but…not when you oversimplify.
Mike Piazza on the Daily Show tonight…
Superhuman x12 on Tosh.0 was pretty classic. Got beat out in about 5 seconds by that transvestite.
So after some researching I’m about 99.8% that CC could out produce Stewart in almost all offensive categories. I know that defense is important but a large part of me is hoping Romine or Sanchez get rushed because I’m fairly confident that they could out produce the current tandem.
PECOTA – American League, ranked by projected 2013 record
AL East Updated….. W.. L. RS.. RA.. AVG .OBP .SLG. TAv
New York Yankees. 92 70 804 691 .263 .332 .416 .268
Boston Red Sox…… 86 76 807 757 .263 .332 .430 .269
Tampa Bay Rays….. 86 76 736 685 .244 .323 .397 .269
Toronto Blue Jays.. 85 77 786 746 .261 .326 .432 .268
Baltimore Orioles.. 74 88 711 782 .256 .319 .419 .261
But….but….but…I thought the Jays were gonna score 1000+ runs!!!!!???!
And their super awesome pitching that will stay healthy and/or mature and have a 3.50 ERA!!
sounds about right.
This doesn’t seem right.
The Yankees SLG is .014 below the Red Sox SLG, but the Yankees score only three runs less.
The Yankees have an advantage of .002 in AVG and .006 in OBP but trail .016 in SLG compared to the Blue Jays, yet the Yankees are supposed to score 18 more runs.
I’m more surprised at the improvement PECOTA projects for the Red Soz. I just don’t see tham doing that well. (Then again, I’ve done no professional research to base this on.)
Yeah, as good as the Blue Jays is definitely on the very optimistic side of their projections. Current projections based on CAIRO see the Red Sox as 82 win – that seems more plausible to me:
http://www.rlyw.net/index.php/.....3_projecte
Seeing Pineda on the mound makes me think that a strong return to form by Pineda could really save this teams rear.
I still see them as a roughly 90 win team, but if their pitching can play at the top end of their projections, then this team could push well into the 90s. I think Kuroda and Pettitte will regress, but imagine the *potential* if they do not, while Nova returns to form, Hughes remains solid and Pineda comes back in June and is dominant (CC, Kuroda, Pettitte, Hughes, Pineda and Nova – 6 potentially very good starters).
Nova returning to form is a must. The kid lost the best part of his game last season….HIS GUTS.
So he just shits out food whole now? Ouch.
Well, Nova or Phelps performing well is a must. If Nova performs as he did last year, then Phelps needs to be good enough to replace him (and then some).
Unless, of course, the unthinkable happens and CC pitches like we know CC can, Kuroda repeats last season’s performance, Pettite pitches like he did as well, but without the injury, and Hughes shows that he’s a solid MLB pitcher. Then, Nova’s performance from last season will be just fine, but we all know none of these guys can repeat what they did last year. So yeah, Nova is the key.
Very glad to see Pineda progressing. Still have high hopes for him