Open Thread: 2/26 Camp Notes

Rained all over Florida today. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum)

Rained all over Florida today. (AP Photo/Matt Slocum)

The Yankees lost to the Phillies this afternoon, their third consecutive defeat in Grapefruit League play. Ichiro Suzuki went 3-for-3 with a stolen base while Mark Teixeira (double), Travis Hafner (single), and Matt Diaz (single) all had one knock apiece. David Robertson and Joba Chamberlain both make their Spring Training debuts with relatively uneventful (and scoreless!) innings.

The MVP of the day was catcher J.R. Murphy, who came off the bench to hit a two-run homer to dead center and then a double off the wall in almost the exact same spot. On the other hand, right-hander Zach Nuding gets LVP honors by allowing two dingers — including this monster shot by Domonic Brown — and three runs in an inning of work. Oh well, shake it off. It’s only February. Here’s the box score and here’s the rest from Tampa…

  • As always, Chad Jennings has the workout assignments for the guys who didn’t play in this afternoon’s game. Andy Pettitte threw live batting practice while Hiroki Kuroda and Boone Logan each threw a side session.
  • Within that same piece, Jennings notes that Joe Girardi had no update on Phil Hughes (bulging disk), who continues to work out in a pool. No news is good news, I guess.
  • Following the game, Joba told reporters he still thinks he can be a starter. “Do I think I have the capability to start? Yes. Do I have four pitches that I can throw for a strike? Yes,” said the right-hander. No doubt that’s on his mind with free agency nine months away. [Andy McCullough & Erik Boland]
  • Nik Turley will start against the Orioles at home in George M. Steinbrenner Field tomorrow afternoon, and that game will be broadcast on YES.

Here is your open thread for the evening. The Rangers, Islanders, and Nets are all playing tonight, so talk about those games or anything else here. Enjoy.


  1. trr says:

    J.R. Murphy…the legend begins

  2. Barry's Gift Basket says:

    Yes Joba, you could’ve been a good starting pitcher for the Yankees… They messed that up.

    • Bob Buttons says:

      I blame Ron Guidry (also with Igawa) and Dave Eiland.

      • Manny's BanWagon says:

        No way.

        The BS Joba rules and the decision to never give him a chance again to start after 2009 came from way higher up than the pitching coaches.

        • Ramondo says:


        • Bob Buttons says:

          If the pitching coaches fixed him a bit or helped him do better he’d have a chance. It’s not like it’s the first time the Yankees said “fuck this” after a prospect didn’t wow them in the first full year in a role.

        • smurfy says:

          yeah, whoever told him to stare at the place he meant to throw it, then lick his fingertip, and feel for the wind, he screwed him up. Seems to do MUCH better with sss, fellers. (Hyuck!)

          • smurfy says:

            I’m going to Chicago. Oh, there’s a popped corn between my shirt and my undershirt! Mmmm, goood. I leave with confidence that you can spin your own tops, and never miss what you couldn’t measure: it doesn’t exist!

            • smurfy says:

              oh, and I sincerely wish you to choke on that pretzel you forget to worry about when you get your dinger or your K. “We” all know fip’s where it’s at. Fug the well-turned dp, or the avuncularly* deft pickup off the bounce from the wall, and strong, accurate throw to the plate or the base that the runner doth approach. Who cares, that isn’t the game changer: who hit a random homer, the counting stat most easily discerned.

              • smurfy says:

                * -oh, yeah – couldn’t think of the word: not “inchoate,” but…

                • smurfy says:

                  oh, I know: the uncannily naturalness of the fielder to shield against any anxiety or random stat flung for his attention, to rather focus expeditiously upon the best response to the real threat. ah, who cares, though.

      • RetroRob says:

        I blame Ivan Rodriguez. Joba fell and jammed his arm evading a throw from the then Yankee catcher. He’s never been the same. His velocity and command never returned. The Yankees know this, they know medicals. Sometimes the truth isn’t as sexy as the story people want to believe.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      They had medicals. They made the decision to convert him. He still got hurt.

      I have no clue what would have happened had they put him out there every five days. If he gets the opportunity to, we’ll see what happens. Nothing would surprise me there.

      Like I said below, I hope he has a lights-out season and becomes the heir to Mo.

      I blame Mike Francesa.

  3. jjyank says:

    Was that the real TSJC on the previous thread? Or some douche trying to be cool?

  4. Jacob the OG(formerly Jacob) says:

    The comments made by Greinke today were absolutely ridiculous, shows he was the dick I thought he was.

    • Bob Buttons says:

      I’m guessing there’s three sides to take on this issue.

      1) At least he is brutally honest, unlike Johnny “I always wanted to play here” Damon.

      2) At least Damon tries to hide it, Greinke doesn’t even take the effort to fake being interested in something other than money.

      3) Screw em all, do whatever they want. DOWN WITH THE DAMN 1%!

      • Jacob the OG(formerly Jacob) says:

        Oh I believe Damon was always open to playing in New York but they never even offered him something to turn down. And yes at least he is honest but damn he is a super asshole too and if I was a dodgers fan I would put him immediatly on my shit list.

        • Bob Buttons says:

          I believe that Damon was interested in NY (both times around) but I’m not so sure on Detroit and TB.

          Also, I agree. Honesty is nice but it’s kinda saying “IDGAF about your franchise. I only care about your money”. Kinda like gold-diggers (not the people who mine for the mineral, the people who get into relationships for material gain) They get some points for honesty but still doesn’t take away the fact that they are scum.

          • Jacob the OG(formerly Jacob) says:

            Oh I thought you were talking just about NY. In that sense yes, I do think there was something he had said long before he signed with detroit (like in free agency before the yanks) that hinted at wanting to play there but that might be in my head. As for tampa though, that was probably all talk.

        • Steve (different one) says:

          I guess there is no way to verify, but I seem to remember the Yankees offering Damon $14M/2 early in the offseason. He and Boras thought they could do better. The Yanks signed Nick Johnson for $5M and Damon had to settle for $8M/1 from Detroit towards the end of winter.

    • CP says:

      He’s a dick because he admitted taking the job that paid the most?

      • Manny's BanWagon says:

        If that’s the case, pretty much 99.9% of the population of the US are dicks.

      • MannyGeee says:

        Here We stand today all fucking indignant because a professional athlete went on record admitting he, like thousands before him, is a mercenary… Shooting his weapon for the highest bidder. Since none of us would ever sell out our morals for a paycheck or anything …. *wanking motion*

        Zach Greinke is not a role model. He’s a dude getting paid a shit ton because he is elite at a trade. Stop treating him like he is the fucking pope.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:


          People who get offered hundreds of millions of dollars to work, and still hold out for another ten or twenty on top, not in it for the money?

        • Pat D says:

          Nobody was listening when Charles Barkley said, “I am not a role model.”

          Of course, it’s the media who makes these guys out to be role models more so than the fans. The media convinces the fans that athletes are supposed to be role models. They do this mostly so that when they fail or are disgraced, they can sell more copy writing those stories.

          Examples: Armstrong, Lance; Rodriguez, Alex; Woods, Tiger

    • CS Yankee says:

      He only said that h would take the 200M$ job from the worst team over a 10$ job from the best team.
      Nobody, except a complete idiot, would not take $200,000,000 over $10.

      The best team (NYY) didn’t even offer him a contract…so how is he being a dick?

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      I disagree 100%, they’re all about the money, I actually have more respect for him admitting it

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        I still maintain he’d take the world’s largest dump right on the pitcher’s mound if he ever actually wore pinstripes.

        • Dalek Jeter says:

          Because of the SAD? Idk, I wouldn’t say that’s fair…I think LA is just as big as a stage as NY, especially with all the money they’ve thrown around, if he performs in LA I think he’d be able to handle Pinstripes.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            ….with a large dump in his pants.

            I never subscribe to any of the idiot memes. Let me have this one.

          • Grit for Brains says:

            No. It’s not the same stage. I’ve lived in that market and SoCal sports are nothing like New York sports. Even take basketball where the Lakers have been great and the Knicks not so much over the last decade, even in that sport playing for the Knicks may be a more daunting media experience. I’m not an insider but I truthfully believe that nothing is like the NYC media and no team is more closely watched than the Yanks.

  5. vin says:

    Good for Joba. I hope he gets PAID next November.

    • MannyGeee says:

      He won’t. He will continue to be paid as a reliever, or he will have to give a discount as a reclamation project. Unfortunate.

      • Havok9120 says:

        I can see him taking something like a 2 year contract with a team that guarantees to try and let him start.

        • MannyGeee says:

          Yeah but not at starter money. He’ll get something like Bruce Chen money… 2/8 or something eerily similar to what a damn good reliever makes.

        • Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

          If Joba, Hughes and IPK all end up as quality starters pitching for teams other than the Yankees with nothing to show for it other than a draft pick for Granderson, I’m leading the lynch mob to Cashman’s house.

          • MannyGeee says:

            Dude…. Wouldn’t that just blow my fucking dick off. That is a possibly distinct scenario.

          • Pat D says:

            I’m confused. Are you saying that Granderson’s 4 years of service would be meaningless? Are you also assuming that they make a QO to Granderson, but not to Joba or Hughes?

            • MannyGeee says:

              No way in hell they give a 13M QO to Joba when he won’t make that TOTAL in his next contract. Hughes is a tough call, as he’ll get some better offers in the offseason.

              • Pat D says:

                Yea, Joba not getting a QO is completely understood. But I wouldn’t be so dismissive of giving one to Hughes yet. That’s why I asked.

                • MannyGeee says:

                  Completely agree. He’s got a shot at declining a QO.

                  But I think they would worry about him actually accepting it… On account of, well, you know…. 189 and all

            • Manny's BanWagon says:

              Granderson’s 4 years were far from worthless but the Yankees would have been far better off both over the prior 4 years as well as in the future if they never made the Granderson trade.

              No way they’ll make a qualifying offer to Joba but they probably would for Hughes so it could be 2 draft picks.

              • Pat D says:

                That’s operating under the assumption that Jackson and Kennedy duplicated their numbers with the Yankees. I wouldn’t take that for granted.

                • Manny's BanWagon says:

                  Maybe not IPK but I see no reason AJ would have been any worse.

                  • Pat D says:

                    Well, just looking at the offensive side of it, he’s really only had one good season. His 2010 season was due to insanely high BABIP and he was pretty terrible in 2011. Last year he was pretty good, but let’s see him put two good years together. He definitely wouldn’t hit as many HR’s and I’m not sure he’d get as many triples in YS3.

                    • Manny's BanWagon says:

                      You think it’s harder to hit HRs as a righty in YS3 than Comerica park?

                    • MannyGeee says:

                      Hitting anything in Commercia is hard, but that’s not (luckily for Jackson) his game. He’s a contact, speed, “extra base” guy. Perfect for that park. Granderson is more of a power guy, and that suits him in NYS…

                    • Now Batting says:

                      You can’t say his 2010 season wasn’t good because he had a high BABIP. It’s great for forecasting, but once a season is in the books it’s in the books.

                  • Robinson Tilapia says:

                    FWIW, I still think everyone got what they wanted out of that trade in the short-term.

                    • Manny's BanWagon says:

                      Can’t say it was ” a bad” trade for the Yankees but IPK and AJ have been worth 23.3 WAR while costing $2.6 million over the last 3 years compared to 13.2 WAR and $24 million for Granderson and those numbers are only gonna get worse moving forward especially with AJ and IPK coming into their prime and Grandy likely leaving NY after the season.

                      Pretty hard to argue that the Yankees wouldn’t have been better off not making that trade.

                    • MannyGeee says:

                      Oh without a doubt. Even medium term, everyone got what they expected… And should the whole $189 thing not have happened, I think this would have been a golden trade for all three teams…

                    • MannyGeee says:

                      In fairness though, IPK looked LOST in NY. And there was an argument to say 4 years ago he was the least likely to succeed of the kids.

                    • Manny's BanWagon says:

                      IPK being lost was partly a failure on the Yankees part. Pitching in the NL West also no doubt has helped but I don’t buy he’d be a 5th starter in the AL east. Didn’t seem to hurt Kuroda much.

                    • Robinson Tilapia says:

                      You forget the Kuroda did better with the moral support of his countryman out in RF.


                    • Manny's BanWagon says:

                      That and being so close to Chinatown, right?

          • Havok9120 says:

            You need to standardize your handle, man. I assume you post from 3 or 4 different devices?

  6. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I wonder how many fans actually noticed the looooong-term continuity with the Zeb Colter character. Dutch Mantel actually portrayed “Uncle Zebekiah” as manager of both the first incarnation of “Justin Hawk” Bradshaw, as well as Jacob and Eli Blu (The Harris Brothers with really long beards.) This was late 90′s/early 2000′s. This is really the same character, years later, with a shaved beard. They always suck at this sort of attention to detail. I’m shocked they got this one right.

  7. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    Whoever that idiot was impersonating TSJC, take note: Here on the RAB forums, it’s sort of as if you’re one of those people who comes down and tells everybody they’re the reincarnation of a god, then we realize you’re full of shit.

    Sort of like Cortes, but if the Aztecs kicked his fucking ass. That is you, you horrible sacrilegious mockery of TSJC. You will get no laughs, no pity, and no mercy from RAB should you continue with your despicable efforts. Especially from those of us who had the privilege of communicating with the REAL TSJC.

    You have been warned.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Would anyone else agree that, in 2013, TSJC would get more shit from the trolls than all the regulars here combined?

      I thought it was pretty obvious to everyone, other than one particular fellow on here, that it was a fake. No biggie.

      • Jacob the OG(formerly Jacob) says:


      • Havok9120 says:

        I’d agree with that. For all the sniping at regulars on here the last month or so, he’d get it worse.

        Which is pretty obvious since he did back in the day, too. And the trolls were a lot better than the sex-joke impersonations and one-liners that we’re mostly stuck with at the moment.

        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          Ehhh, for the most part, not really. And there was no Big Member.

          We are in a different era, but it’s not that much worse in the end.

      • Manny's BanWagon says:

        TSJC would have had a very hard time with the trolls and most of his posts would have gone right over their heads.

        Does anyone know why he just stopped coming here cold turkey? I know he had a kid.

        • Robinson Tilapia says:

          Is he one of the guys who just turned to Twitter?

          If anything, having a kid has me more on here. Not exactly getting out every Friday night anymore.

        • MannyGeee says:

          He had a vision of #EddardWorld and had to run for the hills. .

        • Pat D says:

          I don’t think he’d have a hard time with the trolls. He’d just tell them to fuck off and not give them a second thought. After a series of highbrow insults, that is.

          • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

            Yeah, absolutely. TSJC would have some fun with our old friend Greg though. I also think he would work very well with Big Member.

            Damn man, now I’m tearing up *sniff*.

            • Pat D says:

              I’d be afraid to see what would happen between TSJC and Greg. I’m afraid he’d break Greg’s spirit for all times. Greg’s not that bad.

              Meanwhile, I’m sure Big Member would entertain TSJC the same way he entertains us.

              • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

                But I think TSJC’s responses would be almost as enjoyable as Big Member’s original posts.

                As for Greg, well, Greg and I rub each other the wrong way. I have to admit, I’d definitely have a good time seeing TSJC call Greg out on his hyper-fickle shit. I wonder if that makes me a bad person?

              • Robinson Tilapia says:

                Let’s give Greg a bit more credit than that. I’ve basically suggested suicide and antipsychotics on here, and he’s still here.

                Besides, there’s two Gregs now, and I’ll take diva-ish “Real Greg” over the newer troll-ish “Greg” anytime.

    • MannyGeee says:

      It was a ballsy move. I smell a ham sammich…

  8. Jacob the OG(formerly Jacob) says:

    I called greinke a dick because he said he would take 200mm to play on a losing team and wallow in losses over getting 10mm to play on a winning team and have success and loads of fun. That is greedy as shit and I would much rather win and know that I had a fun time winning not a greedy loser. 10mm is still a lot more than the average american will make in his lifetime. I respect your opinions but some of you really shit on mine and did not even think about it.

    • MannyGeee says:

      All of this is very noble of you, and I hope some day you have the opportunity to do something you really love and are really good at and make $10M while doing it… But he’s not you. He’s a professional mercenary.

      CC did the same thing 13 months ago by opting out for an extra year. But everyone loves big black cocoa bear. Tex took $10 more in 2009. Damon took 4m more in 2005.

    • Manny's BanWagon says:

      That’s not greedy, it’s common sense.

      You’d turn down $190 million to play for a winner? That’s unfair to the next 10 generations of Greinke’s.

    • Preston says:

      10 mm is a huge amount of money. But you would actually have to budget and invest prudently in order to live the rest of you life off of it. 200 mm is an amount that makes you bullet proof, honestly you could keep it in a normal checking account and still live like a drunken sailor off the interest. Playing baseball is a job. You do it for the money. Would you rather play baseball for a losing team for 7 years, or take the chance that you sustain a career ending injury and have to live the rest of your life off what you’ve already earned? And honestly ten million goes faster than you think. Once you’ve paid the agent and the fed you have 5. With five million dollars you’re a failed investment, business venture or divorce away from selling cars, or insurance for the next thirty years. Always take the money.

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        For sure it’s a job, but any job is a balance. I wouldn’t leave to an agency I’d be miserable with over 20k more. I could probably double my salary right now if I were to go into private practice, but I’ve never taken that plunge because I actually value stuff like going to the gym after work more. It’s a balance for anyone.

        I’m not going to go as far as Jacob, but I couldn’t judge what position I’m going to take solely because of the money.

        Suppose someone wanted someone with exactly my skill set….in Dubai….and was willing to move my entire family over for 10 years and pay me a million a year to do it. Would I do it? I sincerely doubt it.

        • Preston says:

          I absolutely agree. But playing baseball is playing baseball. Sure there are some teams and or cities I wouldn’t want to go to. But if the guaranteed money was 20 times, and I knew I’d never have to work again after my seven years, I’d sign with any club. And honestly if your main reason for inking a seven year deal with a team is to be on a “winner” you might be sorely disappointed. Roy Halladay and Cliff Lee thought they were going to a “winner” in a place they enjoyed playing. I think Lee is going to spend a lot of those years playing for a loser.

      • Mike Axisa says:

        Winning is awesome but family comes first. $200M sets up the Axisas for many generations. Knowing my kids and my kids’ kids and my kids’ kids’ kids would never have to stress about money >>>>> winning at anything.

        • Havok9120 says:

          I’m in that boat as well. In a vacuum, I’d pick the winner and/or play for the team I most wanted to play for. But that kind of decision is NOT made in a vacuum because it is quite likely that no one in the next dozen generations of a given family will get another chance at a payout like that.

    • Jacob the OG(formerly Jacob) says:

      And I totally respect the majority of you guys this was just more directed at the guys they straight up shit on my opinion like I was not a regular, even if I wasn’t a regular we always give respect to every(non-troll)opinion.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        I respect your opinion Jake, I just disagree with you that he’s a dick because he’s admitted to being a mercenary. I found it refreshing, most players claim to “not be about the money” then take the largest and longest contract they can get. It just happens that they go to winners more often then not because most teams who have the money are winners. Look at CC, Tex, and AJ, they all took the most money available to them to join a team that had just missed the playoffs.

    • Govin says:

      Sometime you don’t know what you will do until the situation arises.
      Thats where I’m at right now. Does anybody have a good 200mil they can spare, to help me figure out what I would do in this situation. That would be fantastic.

      PS. Don’t expect any of the money back.

    • Now Batting says:

      Can’t speak for Greinke, but going out and pitching in the majors every fifth day sounds fun no matter what.

      • Havok9120 says:

        I tend to believe the quotes we used to hear out of clubhouses by the end of the season where it starts to become less about whether a game was won or lost but “how many games till I can get some rest?”

        I mean, there’s a reason that all these guys, when asked about their goals for the season, regularly state that one of them is to “keep have fun from start to finish,” or “I’m going to work on having a good time and be relaxed at the end of the season.” It isn’t just because those lines make good sound bites.

        • RetroRob says:

          BTW There’s an article on Baseball Prospectus today by a former pitcher who talked about the use of PEDs and how he opted not to take them, but wonders if he made the right decision. It was a great read. (I don’t have the link.)

          Yet I found his discussion of greenies more interesting because people view them as pretty tame, just helping a player feel a little better, nothing like steroids. I’m not so convinced after reading the article.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      Disagreeing with you != not thinking about it.

      And I call complete and utter bullshit that you would take 10 million over 200 million, regardless of the circumstances.

  9. Dalek Jeter says:

    Howard Reynolds makes me so angry.

  10. Darren says:

    Sorry, how fuckin cool is it that Andy’s son threw a no-no, against a powerhouse team no less? Kis has good numbers but is committed to Baylor Let’s sign him up!


  11. Darren says:

    Also, on “Bizarre Foods”, Andrew Zimmern ate some tripe and said it has a “diaper-y aftertaste.”

    Which was funny as hell, and reminded me of the A-Rod contract.

  12. Dalek Jeter says:

    Harold Reynolds on Paul Konerko: “He’s a lock for 25 and 100 every year.”

    Amsinger: “He didn’t do that last year, he had 26 and 75.”

    Reynolds: “he’ll do a 100 this year.”

    Also according to Reynolds “Pederioa is a winner, I look beyond the numbers and just everything he does, he wins.” Completely disregarding the fact Pedroia’s team hasn’t made the playoffs since 2010.

    • Deathstroke Heathcott says:

      He meant win as in Charlie Sheen win. As in he wins here, he wins there.

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      2009, actually. And Pedroia’s team hasn’t won a playoff game in 4 1/2 years. The iPad, 3 of the 4 tallest buildings in the world, the Obama Administration, and the new Yankee Stadium are things that didn’t exist the last time the Red Sox won a playoff game. Fun to think about.

    • Larry B. says:

      Bad fit. Most of those MLB network guys are stat nerds. Even some of the former players are leaning more heavily on stats now. Reynolds is more of an eye test guy. I like to use both in evaluating. I think some of the MLB net guys are too stat analysis heavy, almost laughably so.

  13. RetroRob says:

    I swear, I thought that was Youkilis in the picture above clearing the water off the field.

  14. Larry B. says:

    So what’s the word on Murphy? Is he the real deal? It appears from what I’ve been readin that he is at least another 1 or 2 yrs away from the bigs.

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