Feb
05

Update: Cervelli among players connected to South Florida clinic

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10:19pm: Cervelli released a statement because he’s a real live baseball player: “Following my foot injury in March 2011, I consulted with a number of experts, including the Biogenesis clinic, for legal ways to aid my rehab and recovery. I purchased supplements I am certain were not prohibited by Major League Baseball.”

8:00pm: Via Jeff Passan: Frankie Cervelli is among the new batch of players connected to the Anthony Bosch-run South Florida clinic that allegedly distributed performance-enhancing drugs. You know what I’m talking about, the same mess Alex Rodriguez is currently dealing with. If Cervelli did take a banned substance, I hope he did it recently. The Yankees need all the offense they can get out of their catchers this year.

Categories : Asides, STEROIDS!

199 Comments»

  1. flamingo says:

    I nearly choked reading that last sentence. A+

  2. your mom says:

    Now why would he do that? Not enough power generated from all those fist pumps?

  3. blee says:

    thats our starting catcher there…

  4. Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

    Florida: The Steroid State.

  5. Murderers' Row Boat says:

    Looks like it’s Romine’s job.

  6. Favrest says:

    Cervelli is on steroids? I’ve seen it all.

  7. Bo Knows says:

    Well fat good of luck that did, he hasn’t done a damn thing with the stick

  8. M-Three says:

    I hope this is true so Cervelli gets a suspension. That would be addition by subtraction. Cervelli only weakens the production at catcher because he is a lazy/poor defensive catcher and a .250 type hitter at best.

  9. Havok9120 says:

    I’ll be interested to see if Selig is willing to go with this stuff and fight the MLBPA for a suspension or if he wants another source of some kind.

  10. El Johnny D says:

    This is getting too funny.

  11. Should I Fister or Pettitte? says:

    Enter Romine…

  12. Pistol pete says:

    Just great, Cervelli ‘s juicing and still couldn’t make the Yankee team last year and he’s our no 1 catcher going into 2013, what a fucking joke.

  13. Matt DiBari says:

    Is there a substance Frankie can take that teaches him how to play the position?

  14. Anthony says:

    Oh my goddddddd I don’t even know what to think anymore. We cannot have Chris effin’ Stewart our everyday starting catcher.

  15. Minor Leaguer says:

    What is the point of CERVELLI taking steroids??? He knows you have to be able to hit the ball let alone hit a HR. Not just that but you also have to make the team.

  16. Barry's Gift Basket says:

    Cervelli’s chances of being the everyday craptcher shrink.
    *Fist pumps*

    That makes Stewart the everyday (i just can’t use the word “starter” for neither of those two guys) craptcher.
    *Goes crying to a dark corner of the office*

    • Ted Nelson says:

      My guess is Stewart already was the starter already.

      We also might want to wait to see if Cervelli is actually suspended.

  17. Anthony says:

    Although, I do find it interesting that Cervelli’s name was not listed under the “PED section”. Still though, this is absurd.

  18. Andy Pettitte's Fibula says:

    Cervelli and Arod should ask for their money back.

    This Bosch guy couldn’t carry Victor Conte’s jock strap. .

  19. mrdbag says:

    We may end up seeing Sanchez sooner than later. I mean what the fuck kind of half ass mickey mouse show are the Yankees running? Does anyone have any control over there?

  20. Hall and Nokes says:

    Nice pseudonym, Jeet.

  21. Now Batting says:

    Where’s Ramiro Pena’s name? If anyone needed steroids it’s that guy.

  22. Ted Nelson says:

    Season cannot start soon enough.

  23. Fernando says:

    Forget Cervilli. The bigger story is the appearance of Ryan Braun on that list.

    • Laz says:

      It isn’t news. He was actually caught and suspended for them. Not just someone that the court of popular opinion decides, but someone caught.

  24. Jersey Joe says:

    Frick. Romine is struggling to put up decent AAA numbers, Chris Stewart is struggling to put up half-decent MLB numbers, and now Cervelli struggles to put up decent MLB numbers with steroids.

    This is what happens when we don’t get catching options early in the offseason. Rod Barajas and Matt Treanor are the two listed on MLBTR and I doubt MiLB players are worth anything.

  25. MannyGeee says:

    So to all of you jackasses who thought the sauce was supposed to make you better at the baseballs… TA DAH!

    But seriously, this whole goddam thing is getting silly. Danny Valencia and Frankie Cervelli in the “other stuff” section?

    • RetroRob says:

      That is the piece that is always left out when discussing PEDs. The majority of players caught really have not been good, and in one instance, a reporter went through and compared the perfomance of players listed in the Mitchell Report and noted a decrease in performance during the listed times.

      Of course, none of this really means anything.

  26. RetroRob says:

    Bobby Wilson leaked Cervelli’s name.

  27. trr says:

    That’s all I can stands, ’cause I can’t stands no more!

  28. Holy Ghost says:

    This whole Miami thing is starting to look like a witch hunt. Until we get some real evidence (not anonymous sources and handwritten notes) it’s irresponsible for the media to keep dirtying up players’ names and reputations…

    • Mike Axisa says:

      Like that’s ever stopped them.

      • Laz says:

        Exactly!
        They do it with everything. Just like with real time events. They post information accusing people of stuff, and then all of a sudden it disappears.

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

      Give ‘em two sketchy sources and they’ll print. Especially something like this? I wouldn’t be surprised if they were running on just the notebook at this point (which would be hugely unethical.)

      • Holy Ghost says:

        No one has been arrested and no one has admitted that the allegations are true despite this stuff being on the radar for weeks if not months. I won’t be shocked if most of this stuff eventually is proven to be true but so far, the evidence isn’t solid enough to assume anyone’s guilt

    • Laz says:

      Certainly. MLB needs to figure out what all of this means. Isn’t that hard to make this stuff up. Put arod/melky/braun on the list with a few others and you suddenly have a “credible” list.

  29. Robinson Tilapia says:

    The Onion headline reading “Frankie Cervelli Proves PED’s Don’t Do Anything” just writes itself, doesn’t it?

    Sad about the potential of this with him. We’ll see. Like with Alex, my hunch is where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    I also used to live a few blocks from Biogenesis. Would have taken a few shots in the ass for sure had I’d known.

  30. I can’t believe Braun got caught again.

    I wonder who’s life he is going to ruin this time around? IMO he is worse than Bonds/Alex combined.

  31. You should have shot Arod says:

    Cervelli is such a fluckwad he didnt know how to take the PEDS right. Would explain all the throws into CF when he would throw out runners

  32. Captain Crunch Sabathia says:

    I just KNEW Cervelli’s performance was too good to be true!!

  33. You should have shot Arod says:

    Frankie blue eyes to juice you have to be able to hit the ball.

  34. Ralph Melish says:

    Braun claims he paid Bosch “$20-30K” for consulting on his appeal on his positive test in 2011. This conveniently ignores the U of Miami connection that is all over this case. Like…why consult with Bosch of all people?

    • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

      #thealiensdidit

    • joey says:

      So to beat a PED charge you would employ a known PED peddler?
      To beat a murder charge you’d consult OJ Simpson?

      All it would take is one cross examination, “Mr. Braun, do you know or have any association with anyone who supplies PEDs?”

      “Uh, yeah. I have one on my payroll, for advice.”

      “No further questions.”

  35. You should have shot Arod says:

    Wow how shitty was cervelli off steroids? This is funny shit.

  36. Cacique and Destroy says:

    Based on Cervelli’s production, his juicing must’ve consisted of copious amounts of Capri Sun

  37. Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

    Woah fella’s calm down, I just like using overused meme’s can we just forget out my opposite view of this whole conondrum and enjoy the 14 seconds?

  38. Cuso says:

    Can we get out of Cervelli’s contract?

  39. You should have shot Arod says:

    Thats why he was wearing the oversized batting helmet. Now it makes sense. His head was growing.

  40. Havok9120 says:

    Really? A statement?

    Great.

  41. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I always like that sort of statement better than “TONY BOSCH?!? NOT ONLY DO I NOT KNOW HIM, BUT I HAVE NEVER MET HIM AND HE CERTAINLY DOES NOT HAVE A MOLE ON HIS INNER THIGH.!”

  42. Pat D says:

    I’m sorry, is this the place to post Entourage clips?

  43. Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

    Is it wrong that I believe Cervelli, but not Braun? Also, now that there are players coming out and saying that yes, they were on the list for reasons relating to going to this clinic, it makes me believe A-Rod at least has been there.

    • Jacob The OG (formerly Jacob) says:

      Nah I could totally see it, and yeah Alex probably has and just does not realize it is better to admit than lie

    • Get Phelps Up says:

      I believe Cervelli too because he didn’t already get suspended and then get off on a stupid little technicality.

    • RetroRob says:

      As much I’ll joke around about the absurdity of it all, it is still worth noting that so far everything is based on an unverified notebook.

      Where there is smoke there’s fire, but I’m far more interested in the results of an official investigation, not news articles.

      Yes, if you’re ever convicted of a crime, you want me on your jury.

    • Laz says:

      Braun got caught. We know nothing about Cervelli’s circumstances. Did he buy legal stuff, did he buy roids once several years ago and only did them once?

      You don’t get arrested for purchasing alcohol. You get arrested high bac while driving.

    • MannyGeee says:

      This. Braun already has a suspicion floating around him. That and Cervelli, well… you know.

      I also have no doubt in my mind that hundreds of players have visited this guy, gotten some sort of medical advise and went along to the next doctor.

  44. Get Phelps Up says:

    I really want to hear Big Member’s take on this.

  45. turd surfer says:

    I love people trashing legitimate journalists here. Instead of asking what they did to verify or legitimize their source, it’s so much easier to trash them. Good job guys. I wonder what your response to Watergate would have been in the 70′s. Easier to trash than to ask what they did before they went to print I guess.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Asking “what else is there beyond a notebook?” is not unreasonable. That they’ve yet to agree to share the info with MLB investigators hasn’t helped. That there’s been no report of corroborating evidence (even by the people with the most to gain by SHOWING corroborating evidence) hasn’t either.

      • turd surfer says:

        They are not just going by a notebook. If you got your news from these commentators, I’d understand why you thought that. Anyone who thinks they went to print on just a notebook, proves my point that they are not asking the right questions, or worse, they don’t want to listen to anything that doesn’t back their opinion.

        Also, you haven’t been paying attention to what MLB is trying to do. They are just getting into this, and they are still being timid about this. MLB is being reported as wanting the DEA to take charge. The problem is that the DEA is giving a rat’s ass about this case so far. Sadly, journalists are the only ones doing serious investigation. Too bad people here will still shit on them.

        • Havok9120 says:

          We have no idea what they’re going by because all we have is their word, upon which relies their revenue stream, a handful of leaks, and a bunch of speculation. Do documents exist? Almost certainly. We know next to nothing about them that has been independently corroborated as far as we know.

          And before you get on the MLB for being “timid,” their reasoning is justifiable: they lack subpoena power or the power to hand down much in the way of effective punishments. That the alleged behavior constitutes a Federal offense works pretty well too, especially since the MLBPA would have to be involved in an investigation or at least its final stages.

          • flamingo says:

            all we have is their word, upon which relies their revenue stream

            This.

            • turd surfer says:

              Yeah. Their livelihood and reputation are not a source of revenue in journalism. Oh wait…

              • Havok9120 says:

                Expose’ not followed up or outright panned (which is what I’ve been led to believe is a practice this paper uses) don’t need to be true by most definitions of the word to be enormously profitable for a paper like that.

                I’m not saying we know that they’re lying or even fudging the story. I tend to think they’re on to something. But it’s still a very thin case even for the court of public opinion. A criminal court or an arbitration hearing would probably laugh you out of the room.

              • Holy Ghost says:

                Both the LA Times and NY Times still have strong reputations despite printing articles that later turned out to be based on false information.

              • Jim Is Bored says:

                They might have been 30 years ago.

          • turd surfer says:

            There are multiple news outlets and journalists that are backing this up. The DEA shows no interest whatsoever. It doesn’t matter I guess because an independent source would only be another news source because no one else gives a crap.

            • Havok9120 says:

              The other journalists are covering the coverage, a classic move since the liability should someone sue would fall almost totally on the Miami paper. They don’t have their own sources, they’re writing up reports citing the original paper as the (only) source. That’s tricky business. Show me the media outlets covering their own investigative reporting that shows what’s going on. Not just “documents in the possession of the Miami Morning Bugal Call, who is still considering whether and how to release said documents.”

              • turd surfer says:

                Going to bed but ESPN is corroborating the A-Rod part of the story with their own sources. Braun is also a corroborating piece.

                • Holy Ghost says:

                  I take ESPN’s reporting with a grain of salt. They have a lousy track record when it comes to anonymous sources…

          • JMK says:

            I’m also a working journalist. I’ve got to agree with Havoc on this one. Do the documents exist? Certainly seems so. Did the journalists take every stop possible to corroborate that the entries actually were orders for banned substances? That’s less clear at this point.

            I like to give fellow journalists the benefit of the doubt, but we have really no means to fact check at this point in the process.

            I don’t think people here are “shitting” on journalists in this case (and I know what it looks like; it happens to me and colleagues with some frequency) but are rightfully skeptical of the report.

            Hopefully more details surface, and quickly.

            • turd surfer says:

              They have gone on record about what they did to support their claims in the article. Do you know what they did?

              • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

                This is also a newspaper that a former Miami Native on this board equated to the Village Voice. Now nothing against Village Voice, I’m sure they hold journalistic ideals at the highest regard, but if they broke a story about corruption in the mayor’s office before, say The Times, I’d take it with a grain of salt.

              • RetroRob says:

                I’ve read through this thread, and my general reaction is when you’re asked for details, you then ask a question you then attempt to side step it and redirect by asking you’re own question, such as “Do you know what they did?,” yet you never provide detail. Then when pressed further, you announce you’re going to bed.

                I’ve seen the editor interviewed, I’ve watched and listened to Verducci, who wrote a very detailed follow-up piece, and now we have the Jeff Passan Yahoo article. I have no problem with Verducci’s research and reporting. It’s fine. The problem is they all are driven off the same source material coming from the same person. It’s a good thing to keep an open mind until the source material is verified. I’m in the smoke=fire camp, but I’m not convicting anyone yet. The news media already has enough Selena Roberts types. Perhaps she’ll bring her fine Duke-Lacrosse reporting approach to this story. Oh, wait…

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

      I am a journalist, and rule one of journalism is to question. The only source that they have publicly stated having is the journal, hell even if they through out having an anonymous source that works with one of the players or worked at Biotech I’d be more likely to trust them.

      • turd surfer says:

        Not true. I’ve heard the writer discuss the research that went into verifying the notebook. They had the notebook for three months prior to print. They actually worked at finding out if the notebook was real. I guess people rather not find out or know.

  46. RetroRob says:

    We are getting a full range of statements from players:

    Who the fuck is Tony Bosch? –A-Rod

    I don’t know who Tony Bosch is, but I did use him as part of my defense in using PEDs, but I still don’t know him. –Ryan Braun

    I went to Tony Bosch’s clinic because I thought it was a tanning salon. –Francisco Cervelli

  47. jay destro says:

    immolate

  48. flamingo says:

    Folks, I was on a grand jury. And we would’ve laughed this notebook out of court, and none of us were lawyers.

    Thought I can’t understand why Cervelli would release that kind of statement, the unequivoval denials across the board are really interesting. Though I guess you could argue that one thing everyone’s learned from A-Rod in 2009 is you gain nothing by confessing.

    Honestly, though? I won’t care about the “cheating” that was a) rampant and b) both ignored and tacitly encouraged by the media, until the hypocrisy about, you know, actual crimes is at the very least acknowledged. The moral superiority is cringe-inducing.

    • turd surfer says:

      The notebook itself is circumstantial evidence, yes. Did you bother toask or see if they went after corroborating evidence? Maybe you should before you talk about laughing out of court.

      • flamingo says:

        …My point is that in this case, there is no corroborating evidence. There’s a really random notebook with very convenient names.

        It’s possible that everything in the notebook is true, sure, but there isn’t any proof right now that it is.

        • turd surfer says:

          This is incorrect.

          • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

            You haven’t explained why it’s incorrect besides that we should take the journalists at their word. I could write up a list right now of names and numbers, claim it’s a list of professors and students that conspired to form a massive cheating ring at my college from last semester. How is that any different from what these guys, or even the clinic COULD HAVE done? I’m not saying they did, hell I don’t think they did, but to just fall in rank and file without questioning were the facts come from is silly.

            • turd surfer says:

              Going to bed, but point is that there is corroborating evidence.

              • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

                Now, with the players comments there is corroborating evidence, but before today there wasn’t much (if any).

              • Jim Is Bored says:

                “You’re wrong, but since I don’t know why, I’m leaving and taking my ball with me. Hmph.”

                • DoodleJumper says:

                  Becasue discussing things with people on the internet after midnight is so important! Screw work!

                  • Jim Is Bored says:

                    He started it. If he didn’t want to discuss things after midnight, he shouldn’t have opened that can of worms.

                    • DoodleJumper says:

                      Making fun of him, you wrote, “‘…I’m leaving and taking my ball with me. Hmph.’”

                      Then you follow it up with, “He started it.”

                      The irony.

          • Havok9120 says:

            Then what is it? As far as I (and apparently, the other 3 people in this conversation that aren’t you) are aware of are a set of documents claimed to be internally consistent that no one outside the paper has been able to verify or obtain. No one at the clinic is confirming what the paper is saying (again, as far as we know). The MLB’s requst to review the document has not yet been answered definitively by the paper. The DEA, a group not known for shouting “WE’RE TARGETTING YOU,” during an investigation is doing whatever it is that it’s doing for reasons we do not know.

            So what am I missing here that has you saying that I’m not understanding/seeing the evidence put forward?

            • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

              In turd surfer’s defense, the guys who broke Braun, Cervelli, and Valencia on Yahoo I’m pretty sure did it independently of the Miami paper. I could be wrong though. This is one of the reasons I’m beginning to believe the report.

              • Havok9120 says:

                Yes, ’tis true. FOrgot about that.

                I am wondering whether they’re being intentionally vague about the nature of the documents or if they honestly don’t know what to make of them themselves.

                • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

                  I’m just saying if I’m an editor at either the Miami paper or Yahoo Sports, I wouldn’t have let these stories run until we knew what we had, if only because if there is an innocent explanation behind the note book, good luck getting the public to believe it now.

                  • Now Batting says:

                    God I can’t believe I spent the time reading this crap. If any of you alleged journalists bothered to take two minutes and read the article you’d notice the part where they say 6 customers and 2 employers corroborated the story.

                    • Havok9120 says:

                      Those eight people are mentioned five times, quoted once, paraphrased 3 times, and never named. Two of the paraphrases are them effectively saying “well, I never SAW this, but, you know, I think this is what was going on.”

                      I’m not saying I don’t believe the charges. I’m saying it’s unclear and not a crime to be skeptical. The whole thing is rickety as Hell at the moment.

                  • Robinson Tilapia says:

                    The Miami New Times will print provocative stuff like this. It’s not a daily paper or anything of the sort. It’s like the Village Voice. Free weekly combining stuff on the arts with an attempt at cutting edge journalism. This is totally in their area.

  49. barry says:

    Obviously these guys don’t know they can order them online

  50. JMK says:

    Many broad strokes being brushed here, eh? My natural inclination is to say there’s something fishy going on. Lots of connections to MiamiU, known steroid peddlers, shady characters, players linked to previous failed drug tests. Smoke, meet fire.

    But until I see something more than scribbles in a notebook and cloudy pairings to banned substances (for some players, that is), I’m going to withhold judgment.

    Having said all that, my personal opinion is players should not just be encouraged to take steroids, but should be required to juice. I don’t spend a king’s ransom on cable packages, tickets, concession items, etc. to watch infield singles and Sweaty Freddie fastballs.

    • Dalek Jeter (formerly: Raul Ibanez AKA Tom Marvolo Riddle AKA True Yankee(TM)) says:

      Damn straight, I want the ball and bat to both break the sound barrier causing a near reality shattering experience when a hitter gets the sweet spot on the ball. (I’m not kidding)

  51. Lord Keynes says:

    If my Keynesian philosophies run true. Athletes can’t do enough steroids and should be taking more – so much that they eventually become “too big to fail”

  52. Stratman9652 says:

    Shame, I thought he was a for sure first ballot Hall of Famer but those pesky writers and their anti-PED agenda will probably make him wait a couple years now. How will I explain to my children that the Legendary King of Fist-pumps isn’t right in there with Gehrig and Ruth?

  53. Bavarian Yankee says:

    am I the only one who’s afraid that Cano’s name might come up anytime in the future?

  54. TLVP says:

    Bill Simmons “I want to see you pee in a cup” list makes sense to me and it includes the following things taht cause you to be suspicous:

    • Skip the Olympics (which has much stricter drug testing) in your prime for any dubious reason and you’re on the list.

    • Enjoy your best season in years in your late 30s, four or five years after your last “best season,” and you’re on the list.

    • If you’re a skinny dude who miraculously managed to add 20 pounds of muscle to your scarecrow frame, you’re on the list.

    • If you chopped down the recovery time of a debilitating injury to something that just didn’t seem possible a year ago, you’re on the list.

    • If you were really good and really ripped at a really young age, and now your body is breaking down much sooner than it should be breaking down, you’re on the list.

    • If you’re exhibiting a level of superhuman endurance that has little correlation to the endurance of any of your competitors, you’re on the list.

    On this basis the name I’m scared of is Derek Jeter. Everone (including myself) is convinced he is clean but if he’s not, the consequence (to me) would be beyond sad.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      What part of that does Derek fall under?

      I wouldn’t say he’s exhibited superhuman endurance, and he certainly hasn’t had a “best season” 5 years too late.

      • TLVP says:

        It’s not having your best season ever, but rather your best season for years and 2012 qualifies. You could argue that 2012 was his best hitting season since 2006 outside of 2009. His bat speed was slowing down and then it came back.

    • MB923 says:

      • If you were really good and really ripped at a really young age, and now your body is breaking down much sooner than it should be breaking down, you’re on the list.

      So that puts Griffey, another player who everyone things is innocent, on the list as well

      • Gonzo says:

        That’s the one I have the most issue with in general. Some people just have bad genes when it comes to ligaments and such.

        Wasn’t there a story about an orthopedic surgeon who said as much recently?

    • Gonzo says:

      BTW, I thought it was a good read and deserves a link.

      http://www.grantland.com/story.....d-question

    • Holy Ghost says:

      I disagree with all of it. Especially the “best season in your 30s” crap

  55. John C says:

    COuld be a blessing. Now finally, (Maybe) all the Montero whining and second guessing can finally stop.

    • Havok9120 says:

      Even if he’d been found by a Daily News reporter with a needle in and the plunger half depressed the Great Trade Debate would not totally die off.

      Monterowasdinero may have had a stroke though.

  56. hmelawyer says:

    I am willing to believe Cervelli for now. There are other players names that have been dropped in this scandal that even the records that are relied upon to show their involvement only show the distribution of legal and non-banned (by MLB) substances. See Gio Gonzalez. It is not unheard of for operations like this to provide both legal and illegal solutions. Some players can really want to do everything possible up to the edge of the rules without going over to the other side. This actually happens in many contexts in all aspects of business. As a lawyer many clients seek advice on how to go right up to regulatory lines, but want to be sure that they do not cross them (i.e. they have NO intent to break the rules, but want to be as competitive as possible within the rules).
    I am not saying that Cervelli is definitely innocent, but I will give benefit of the doubt since he is not going into total denial mode.

  57. trr says:

    Enough! Somebody call Eli whiteside!

  58. Brooklyn Nets says:

    I have stopped caring about PEDs. Who cares if these players juice?

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