Feb
27

Spring Training Game Thread: The Next Pettitte

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(AP Photo/Matt Slocum)

Left-hander Nik Turley — number 11 on my preseason top 30 prospects list — gets the start for the Yankees against the Orioles at GMS Field this afternoon. The big southpaw has been getting slapped with the “next Andy Pettitte” tag for a few years now, but it’s a) inaccurate, b) completely unfair, and c) a convenient game thread topic. Pettitte was a big league rotation mainstay when he was Turley’s age (23) and he also threw quite a bit harder. It might be more accurate to say he’s the “next age 35-40 Pettitte” because he’s nothing like the young Andy.

That doesn’t make Turley a bad prospect though, not at all. He’s a true three-pitch pitcher who can use either his fastball, curveball, and changeup in any count, and not many 23-year-olds can do that. I’m not sure if we’ll see all three pitches today since it’s only his first outing of the spring, but I guess we’ll find out. Without looking through all the rosters, I’m guessing Turley is the only 50th round draft pick currently on a 40-man roster, which speaks to his development as a prospect. He’ll made his Grapefruit League debut today and if all goes well, he’ll be a big league option sometime in 2014. Here’s the lineup…

  1. LF Brett Gardner
  2. SS Jayson Nix
  3. 2B Robinson Cano
  4. DH Juan Rivera
  5. 1B Dan Johnson
  6. RF Zoilo Almonte
  7. CF Slade Heathcottfun!
  8. C Chris Stewart
  9. 3B Corban Josephslightly less fun!

And on the mound is Turley, the big lefty from Southern California. Here is the day’s second string, courtesy of Byran Hoch and Chad Jennings.

Available Pitchers: RHP Matt Daley, RHP Preston Claiborne, LHP Josh Spence, RHP Cody Eppley, RHP Mark Montgomery, and RHP Tommy Kahnle are all scheduled to pitch.

Available Position Players: C Frankie Cervelli, 1B Kyle Roller, 2B Jose Pirela, SS Cito Culver, 3B Walt Ibarra, LF Ramon Flores, CF Adonis Garcia, RF Tyler Austin, and DH Kyle Higashioka will all come off the bench.

This afternoon’s game is scheduled to begin at 1:05pm ET and can be seen on YES and MLB.tv (no blackout restrictions). Enjoy.

201 Comments»

  1. pat says:

    CoJo at 3B doesn’t tickle your fancy?

  2. JohnC says:

    Where is Turley going to pitch this year? Trenton? or is he headed back to Tampa?

    • Preston says:

      I would assume Trenton. He made a start there at the end of the year and you’d think that 112 innings with a sub 3 era would mean you’re ready to graduate from A+.

  3. Govin says:

    Monty is in the list of second string pitchers. Man I want to see him pitch today.

  4. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I got to stay home today due to our sitter calling out with the flu. My toddler’s napping and there’s a Seamless sandwich order on the way. Time to get me some Slade in CF!

  5. Bo Knows says:

    I don’t know about the velocity aspect of it, I have the dvd box sets of games from the Yankees WS years (I watched it quite a bit during this offseason), Andy was mostly 89-93 touching the occasional 94. I think that is around Turley’s velocity as well. They have similar body types, and pitches (though Andy had the cutter in addition to a curve ball)

    No one’s going to be Andy, but the comparisons aren’t totally out of left field either

  6. Dave says:

    Do we read anything into Slade getting the start in CF and Gardner playing LF?

    Like:

    - Gardner is going to stay in LF when Granderson comes back?
    - There is a tiny chance Slade might see some action with the big team?
    - They don’t want Slade playing LF at all in case it hurts his development?
    - Am I crazy?

  7. Dalek Jeter says:

    Slade 3-3 w/ 2hrs and a few fantastic catches would make my afternoon.

    • Jim Is Bored says:

      Unfortunately I’m at work so there’s very little that can happen that will make my afternoon.

      Just reminds me that I’m not in Florida.

      • Pat D says:

        I have to go to the doctor at 3. It’s a routine follow-up check on my blood pressure and blood sugar. But, as I have had a tendency throughout my life, I’ve got an ingrown toenail on each foot that I need to get cut out.

        So would you rather be at work or have that done?

  8. Pat D says:

    Kenny never sounds that enthused saying “Lineups, first pitch, baseball.”

    I believe this is because he has to say it because Kay started saying it, and he finds the whole thing stupid.

  9. Robinson Tilapia says:

    SAM PEARCE! SAM PEARCE! BY GAWD, THEY’RE PLAYING SAM PEARCE’S MUSIC!

    • Pat D says:

      Russ Canzler’s music too. Oh, that’s right, we never heard his.

      Fandango?

      • Robinson Tilapia says:

        Phantasio? Beaver Cleavage?

        • Pat D says:

          Gotta go with Phantasio. By far the most random character in the entire history of WWE.

          But when I see these Fandango promos, I seriously wonder if we’re back in the early 90′s. That’s where it seems that gimmick belongs.

          • Robinson Tilapia says:

            Lasted all of about three weeks before they realized “what have we done?”

            Also, the forementioned Cleavage, Friar Furguson, Saba Simba, the Headhunters. Who else was there and gone or repackaged within weeks?

            Of course, there’s also “The Ringmaster.” What ended up happening to that guy? ;)

            • Pat D says:

              He became Chilly McFreeze, if memory serves.

              Salvatore Sincere? Mantaur? The original Faarooq Asad? Probably quite a few others I’m neglecting.

  10. Pat D says:

    Leadoff walk to a guy with a career .305 OBP? DFA his ass!

    An errant pickoff throw? Double DFA his ass!!

  11. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Well, he doesn’t have Andy’s pick-off move. That’s for sure.

  12. Robinson Tilapia says:

    I thought Pearce only hit clean-up for shitty teams.

  13. Pat D says:

    Conor Jackson was semi-decent for Arizona from 2006-2008. Anyone know what exactly went wrong with him?

  14. pat says:

    Looked like a bloop.

  15. LightSABR says:

    Wow. Nik is not having a good day.

  16. Dalek Jeter says:

    Jayson Nix: BASEBALL PLAYER!!

  17. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Well this is going well.

  18. Pat D says:

    Imagine if this was a regular season game. How many people would be heading for the bridges by now?

  19. Pat D says:

    Yes, Kenny, there are other things that can go wrong. Weren’t you watching on Sunday?

  20. Guns of the Navarone says:

    There’s no one out.

  21. Robinson Tilapia says:

    None of this actually matters, right? RIGHT?

  22. FachoinaNYY says:

    I was cursing my slingbox for (apparently) crapping out on me today… maybe it was saving me this aggravation.

  23. pat says:

    Reality check for Mr. Turley. Not entirely a bad thing. Thew a couple good off speed pithes but was leaving the FB fat over the plate. Expected at this time of year.

    • Pat D says:

      No control on the curveball either.

    • Robinson Tilapia says:

      Yeah. Impossible to tell what that was about. He wasn’t making the team anyway. Plenty of time to work on whatever it was, if it’s anything other than jitters or rust.

    • Preston says:

      I’m not high on Turley, older, soft tossing lefties often put up inflated numbers at the lower levels. Doesn’t really have the velocity to be useful in the pen. I was surprised Mike ranked him so high.

  24. 1stbase says:

    why would a spring training game aggravate you unless there is an injury?

  25. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Cody Eppley: Major League Pitcher.

  26. Pat D says:

    I know not all of these guys will make the team, but why does it seem like the Orioles have nothing but other teams’ retreads and castoffs in their lineup?

  27. Nick says:

    This start is just going to make it all the more awesome when Slade single-handedly wins us the game. #troll(maybe)

  28. Deathstroke Heathcott says:

    I missed Gardy last year.

    • LightSABR says:

      Me, too. He’s fun to watch. And as much as I hate the Ichiro signing, he is too. I guess it’s the speed and all the close plays at first base.

      • Deathstroke Heathcott says:

        We have a patient slap hitter and an impatient slap hitter. It’s funny how differently they play despite what you’d think.

  29. Dalek Jeter says:

    BASEBALL PLAYER!!!

  30. pat says:

    Looked like Pena was chatting with Cito.

  31. Robinson Tilapia says:

    Nap over. Enjoy the game.

  32. pat says:

    Bundy .. niiice.

  33. Eddard: Back and better than never says:

    I don’t get all the hate on the Os. They have a good, young nucleus and will only improve. Everyone said they’d go away last season and they took the Yankees to the brink. And that was without their leader and one of their best players, Markakis. They have just as much a shot as anyone in the AL East.

    • Dalek Jeter says:

      Oh no, Eddard has found the same Kool-Aid that they’re drinking at ESPN and MLBn

    • LightSABR says:

      They also got really lucky in close games–I don’t care how good your bullpen is, 16-2 (or whatever it was) in extra innings just isn’t sustainable. They needed to add 6-ish WAR over the offseason just to get the same number of wins as last year, and they didn’t do it.

    • Pat D says:

      The 2012 Orioles are in the past and I’m not here to talk about the past. I’m here to be positive about the future.

    • Preston says:

      I think people are prematurely discounting the O’s. They have nice up the middle pieces in Weiters, Hardy, and Jones. A full season of Machado will be an upgrade. Markakis is a solid player, Chris Davis is okay, but 2b, LF and DH don’t have good options and their rotation is shaky at best. Unless Bundy is ready to step in as a number one by mid-season I don’t see them competing.

      • Eddard: Back and better than never says:

        I agree. Their only counter is, they got lucky. If we had that kind of success in 1 run games they’d say it’s due to the great bullpen we have. They’re not even looking at the ballplayers they have like you did. Os are a good team and the Yanks will have their hands full with them all year.

        • LightSABR says:

          The Yanks will have their hands full with everyone this year because we suck. It won’t be because the O’s are anything special.

          Their run differential last year was that of an 82-win team. I’ll buy that a good bullpen really earned them 85 or 86, and that’s what I’ll expect to see them put up this year, with maybe an extra couple of wins from more Machado and better health. Barring unforeseen circumstances – a smart trade, etc. – they won’t crack 90 or seriously contend for the division.

        • Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

          That’s you. If we had that record in one run games I’d say we were lucky sons of bitches. Because that’s unsustainable success.

  34. pat says:

    CoJo looked like a statue, hah.

  35. Eddard: Back and better than never says:

    The Yankees are going to rue the day they let Sam Pearce go.

  36. Barry's Gift Basket says:

    Somebody took #40´s horse right from under his legs!!

  37. Pat D says:

    I’ve always wondered if fandom ends for players once they reach professional baseball.

  38. Dalek Jeter says:

    Wow…that was a hell of a play by Flahrety.

  39. Mykey says:

    Just turned the game on. I see Turley’s start went well.

  40. pat says:

    OO Kenny I love it when you talk prospects to me.

  41. Mykey says:

    Man, I’m not mentally prepared for another year with no production out of the catcher position.

    Personally feel I jinxed that hit.

  42. Eddard: Back and better than never says:

    The Yankees will be just fine with Chris Stewart at C. We actually have a guy who can get a hit with RISP instead of swinging for the fences.

  43. pat says:

    Corban Joseph Multipass

  44. Dalek Jeter says:

    Gardner showing some POP!!!!!!!!!!!! That ball jumped off of his bat!

  45. Eddard: Back and better than never says:

    This is how you put a rally together! You don’t have to swing for a HR every time. I like the new look Yankees with Gardner at the center of the change.

  46. JohnC says:

    Nice inning. ALmonte with another hit. Slade with good hustle to avoid a DP, Stewart a clutch hit, patient atbat for Joseph and pf course, Gardy’s hot start continues

  47. Dalek Jeter says:

    I’m sorry Jayson Nix is fucking terrible.

  48. Mykey says:

    CoJo, that’s Nunez’s job.

  49. Dorian says:

    Cash with the troll LMFAO

  50. pat says:

    So round…..

  51. Pat D says:

    Yea, I think that comment from Cashman was unnecessary. Usually I enjoy the Cash Snark but that was pretty dickish.

  52. Mykey says:

    Can’t help but really like Machado for some reason.

  53. Either one of two things happens: either this team as constituted is good enough to make the playoffs as Cashman claims or it is not good enough, in which case Steinbrenner hopefully learns a lesson. IMO, I think that this is a competitive team in the AL East, although probably not a WS calibre team. I think you guys are way overstating how good Martin was and how bad Cervelli/Stewart is. Not that big a difference. I think many forget how bad LF was for most of last year and that Gardner is a big upgrade over Jones/Ibanez/Wise/fill in the blank. While Tex’s days as a superstar, no matter what he is payed, are over, he had health and injury problems last year that compromised him. The pitching staff is definitely better. And I expect that Grandy comes back June 1 very hungry, if for no other reason than his time to earn his big contract has been shortened. This division will be close, like the NFC East, where a 9-7 record could win it.

    • Pat D says:

      First of all, you do know how silly it is to essentially say either they’re good enough or they’re not, right?

      Also there’s about a 20 homer difference between Martin and Cerv-wart.

      I don’t really disagree with the rest of your points.

    • Larry B. says:

      I’d tend to agree on Martin. His power and occasional clutch hitting will be missed but it’s not the huge loss some are making it out to be. I really want to see Romine win the job but if it’s Cervilli/Stewart that’s okay. Won’t be nearly the disaster some are making it out to be.

      • Preston says:

        Martin did a lot of good things, he played excellent defense, was one of the best base running catchers in the league, took a walk at an elite rate, and had elite power for a catcher. No he wasn’t great last year because his BA was .211, but he had a BABIP of .222. That probably isn’t all bad luck but probably some of it was. He wouldn’t have to return to his career BA and BABIP norms to be an elite catcher. Francisco Cervelli can probably hit for a higher average than Martin but he is literally worse at everything else. Stewart is supposedly a better defender, but catcher defense is far from an exact science and we have very small sample of data to go on. And Stewart is a career .217 hitter who doesn’t walk that much or hit for much power. Not re-signing Martin probably cost the team 2-3 wins next year, which could be a decisive amount in the AL East. It’s especially frustrating when they invested the money in Ichiro instead, when we had a similar in house option in Chris Dickerson (who we subsequently had to DFA).

  54. Havok9120 says:

    I just heard a really booming voice in the background: “BEER, beer, beer, BEER, BBEEEER.”

    Nice.

  55. Govin says:

    ooo the Yankees get to hit against Dylan Bundy.

  56. Guns of the Navarone says:

    Only 90, 91mph from Bundy. Bust.

  57. Havok9120 says:

    Did Cano bare hand that catch?

  58. Deathstroke Heathcott says:

    Bundy’s starting to flash his stuff.

  59. Havok9120 says:

    If nothing else, Gardner’s eye seems to be fairly locked in. That’s nice to see.

  60. JohnC says:

    Another hard hit ball by ALmonte, even though it was an out

  61. Larry B. says:

    I predict a great season for Gardner, and a bounce back year for Joba (not dominating but very good). Otherwise I’m pretty meh in my outlook. I think everyone else is gonna pretty much have down years or be meh.

  62. Deathstroke Heathcott says:

    Slade!

  63. Havok9120 says:

    Wow. Dan Johnson doing his Tex impression.

  64. pat says:

    Kahnle with the cheeeeeeeeeese.

  65. Eddard: Back and better than never says:

    Jorgie’s gonna be one hell of a manager some day. The Yankees would be wise to give him a prominent internal role when he is ready.

  66. Mykey says:

    Well that was an interesting throw.

  67. Need Pitching & Hitting (but mostly hitting) says:

    Defensive catcher.

  68. Vern Sneaker says:

    First impression of Slade: PUH-LEEEZE stay healthy, we have got somtheeng for reals.

  69. JohnC says:

    anyone know how hard Rondon was throwing? Saw he had a couple of Ks that inning.

  70. Mykey says:

    Nix, doing his best to separate himself.

  71. pat says:

    Cito in for Nix?

  72. Dalek Jeter says:

    Jayson Nix, 2K’s, GIDP, and an E6 against what is essentially a minor league team. I’m restarting my campaign of hatred against him.

  73. pat says:

    Gosh darn Sam Pearce.

  74. pat says:

    Cito with the tag!!

  75. Dalek Jeter says:

    Wow, Cervelli…that was a decent throw.

  76. Hans Moleman says:

    Cervelli confirmed for Opening Day starter

  77. Guns of the Navarone says:

    I’ve never been a huge fan or been very confident in Cervelli but he has looked very good behind the plate thus far.

  78. Improbable Island's Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR) says:

    I haven’t seen him yet (I’m not near a TV right now), but if Cervelli’s defense looks as good as everybody is saying I could totally get on board with that. He’s a likeable enough dude.

  79. Dalek Jeter says:

    Bored, so am I the only one who thinks

    Dickerson+Martin>Ichiro+Cerv-wart

    • Preston says:

      This is what bothers me the most about letting Martin go, if they didn’t have the money to pay the younger more valuable Martin for two years, why did they have it with Ichiro. Especially when Ichiro and Dickerson seem to have similar skill sets at this point.

      • Dalek Jeter says:

        You’re preaching to the choir, Preston. I’m pretty sure that C-Dick could give us what Ichiro would give us, maybe less steals but slightly more power, and Martin>>>Cerv-wart

        • Barry's Gift Basket says:

          This, I just can’t believe how some people don’t see it that way.

          I respect their opinions, but I don’t get them.

          • Dalek Jeter says:

            The only way I can understand the counter argument is if you’re sure that Ichiro’s second half last year was for real, and that you’re sure there is no way Martin’s average can rebound. Honestly though, I think the opposite of that situation is much more likely to happen (Martin’s average rebounding, and Ichiro turning back into the 2011 Ichiro).

            • Barry's Gift Basket says:

              Yeah, plus he hit great for like a month, tops, not the entire second half.

              He should’ve gotten the Raul treatment;

              “Hey dude thanks for the big hits, but you’re old and not that good anymore so bye bye”

              They didn’t do that because aparently Ichiro ables them to earn some more money, i think.

              On top of that, they gave him a two year flippin’ deal.
              Talk about something i don’t understand.

      • RetroRob says:

        I agree that letting Martin go was a mistake, but not sure I can compare Ichiro to Dickerson. Yet with Granderson’s injury, I’d like to have both in camp.

    • Barry's Gift Basket says:

      No, I posted that yesterday too.

  80. pat says:

    Is this a lefty knuckleballer?

  81. pat says:

    It’s like our minor leaguers don’t ever take fielding practice.

  82. RetroRob says:

    Missed most of the game. Five errors? Who were the culprits?

  83. dkidd says:

    missed everything

    how was slade???

  84. pat says:

    Roller is a tank.

  85. Dalek Jeter says:

    I would be a terrible manager, even though it’s ST, I’d be pinch hitting an actual hitter here.

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