Mar
16

Late Spring Training Game Saturday Night Open Thread

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7:32pm: Let’s just use this for tonight’s open thread as well. Go nuts.

12:25pm: Sorry for the late post, but here’s your thread for today’s games. Hiroki Kuroda is pitching right now on YES and MLB.tv — Brennan Boesch is playing — and later today the other half of the team will be playing on the road against the Braves. That one starts at 5pm ET and can be seen on MLB.tv only. Enjoy.

  • djyank

    opening day if boesch can play 1st:

    jeter
    suzuki
    boesch
    cano
    youk
    hafner
    francisco
    cervelli
    gardner

    • Get Phelps Up

      Why would Boesch hit in front of Cano and Youk, especially against a lefty?

      • dalelama

        Either way it brutally sucks.

        • Get Phelps Up

          It’s better than your comments.

    • Travis L.

      Just read somewhere that Boesch is here to play outfield only. I’d say Rivera makes it as the firstbaseman, Boesch starting in right with Suzuki in left, Francisco as the RH outfielder and Nix as the utility man. That also makes Nunez the other bench piece, along with Stewart. Can Nix play outfield at all? If so…that isn’t the worst bench in the world…it isn’t great, but it’ll suffice until Granderson and Teixeira come back.

    • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

      Boesch has no experience at 1st at all. Won’t be happening.

    • Yogiism

      I was thinking about the roster this morning. We’re approaching opening day.

      1.CC
      2.Kuroda
      3.Pettitte
      4.Nova
      5.Phelps
      6.Hughes (whether it’s a single minor league start or he is on the team – I am counting him now)
      7.Joba
      8.Robertson
      9.Mo
      10.Ardsma (provided he has no lingering injuries)
      11.Logan (provided he isn’t on the DL or anything at the start of season)

      12.Cano
      13.Jeter
      14.Youk
      15.Gardner
      16.Ichiro
      17.Stewart
      18.Cervelli

      19.Boesch *(DH/RF depth)
      20.Mesa *(OF)
      21.Nunez *(AAA)
      22.Johnson * (1st)
      23.Mustieler * (3rd)
      24.Nix (3rd,SS,2nd)

      This leaves one additional roster spot, which I believe will go to one additional bullpen arm – not sure who.

      This is what I am curious about. A lot of people thought yesterday that signing Boesch wasn’t good for Mesa and I think exactly the opposite. Now that the Yanks have added a little power, they can put a little more emphasis on a defense first player with a nice bath and also hits from the right side. I think he easily has a leg up on Diaz, who we’ve heard little about this Spring and J.Rivera. I think Almonte is the odd many out. I also believe that Boesch gets the DH spot over Hafner. I know they signed Hafner to an MLB deal, but they could simply release him and hope that he signs elsewhere correct?

      Diaz (cut)
      J. Rivera (cut)
      Almonte (AAA)
      Hafner (cut)

      Did I miss anyone?

      I had a hardtime figuring out the others:
      Mesa: I think he is the best extra outfielder to get the spot. Rivera while hitting well, is too poor defensively. I suppose he could play 1st, but I’m not signing up for that one. I rather have Johnson there for the period while Tex is out, which when he returns, will be an easier roster move

      Nunez: It was tough thinking about how they would play him, because for him, getting regular starts is a good thing. Sitting on the bench is not. Since he is playing only SS my first feeling was have him start the season at AAA, but then I put more thought into Jeter and how much Girardi might play him. My feeling now is that Girardi will probably give Jeter 4 days for Nunez’s 3. They’ll probably do a 55%-60% – 45%/40% playing time type of thing so I expect Nunez on the roster.

      Boesch: I think he easily gets the spot provided he has no lingering issue with his oblique. He provides one extra player for the OF, even if not great, as well as their primary DH. His type of swing and power, etc, is really much better than the other options on the team with the RF short porch (good pick-up Cashman).

      Johnson: I’m having a hard time with the 1st solution for now. I’m feeling like I prefer Youk at 3rd full-time. It’s all relative to the extent of Tex’s injury. I’m not a fan of Youk at 1st for 2 months and then back to 3rd. Having Johnson at 1st also makes for a cleaner roster switch when Tex is ready.

      Mustieler: Not sure what to do with him. By most accounts, the Yanks would be justified having him on the roster with his bat. I’m not sure how the 3rd base thing is going (although he did get banged up yest). Plus it’s added depth for the OF.

      Nix: I’m a Nix fan. I think he’s a good ballplayer that can do a lot of things for the team. With a few question marks here and there, I think he’s a good option to have on the bench.

      • Yogiism

        Last spot:

        Rapada
        Kelly
        Cabral

        Probably Rapada until Logan is 100%

        This and above would be my 25 man roster had the regular season started today.

      • JMK

        Wait, you think they’re going to cut Hafner? I wish you had said that in the first sentence so I didn’t bother reading the whole thing.

      • Herby

        I don’t think you’ll be seeing Hafner cut because they picked up Boesch, even with his crappy spring. Boesch was a, “hopefully he can fill a need until Granderson gets back,” signing. I don’t expect they ever envisioned him to be their primary lefty DH

        • MannyGeee

          I truly envision Hafner getting the 24th spot and Boesch getting sent down. He has an option. They’re not gonna cut bait on Pronk. Also, as a student of history would be well aware of his injury history and that Boesch would be his natural replacement. Face it, you’ll see both (a lot more than you would have hoped to) this summer in pinstripes.

      • Laz

        Really doubt Hafner gets cut unless he sustains a big injury. He still is a really solid hitter, and am excited to see if he can take advantage of the stadium.

  • trr

    only exhibition, it doesn’t matter

    • MannyGeee

      Spring debut of the next Great Yankee Slugger. It matters

      #BrennenBoesch-Maggio

  • Tim

    I think the starting lineup will be:

    Jeter
    Suzuki
    Youklis
    Cano
    Rivera
    Boesch
    Nunez
    Gardner
    Cervelli

    • Travis L.

      I’d correct that to say:

      Gardner
      Jeter
      Cano
      Youkilis
      Hafner
      Rivera
      Boesch
      Suzuki
      Cervelli

      With Stewart, Nunez, Nix and Francisco on the bench.

  • Tim

    Vs RH’s

    Gardner
    Jeter
    Suzuki
    Cano
    Hafner
    Youkilis
    Boesch
    Rivera
    Cervelli

    • MannyGeee

      And vs. Canadians:

      Aceves
      Aceves
      Aceves
      Etc etc etc

      Well, you know the joke I am going for here, so I am not gonna cut and paste 7 more times.

  • Alkaline

    I somehow missed the post on signing Boesch. I like the move. I’m hoping the change of scenery helps along with the short porch.

    I irrationally like the guy cause he greatly helped out my fantasy team surprisingly a few years ago (2011?).

    • MannyGeee

      Imma say it. Your reason is incredibly logical. I’m a fan of McCutchen for the same reason. Also, Reggie Bushs breakout season in Miami and Rob Gronkgowski did the same for me.

  • ClusterDuck

    So then the Yanks will take Francisco for the final spot over Musty?

    That’s not what I would do.

    • Laz

      Agree.
      Francisco has proven that he sucks, Musty has potential, and can backup in infield if needed.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      I say neither makes the team.

  • pat

    News out of minor league camp is that Cito has given up switch hitting and will be exclusively a RHB.

  • LitFig

    CF Gardner
    SS Jeter
    LF Ichiro
    2B Cano
    3B Youk
    DH Pronk
    1B Rivera
    RF Boesch
    C Cervelli

    BUC Stewart
    BUIF Nix
    BUOF Mesa
    BUIF Nunez

    1 CC
    2 Hirok
    3 Pettitte
    4 Hughes (assuming he’s ready)
    5 Nova (higher upside)

    CL Rivera
    SU Robertson
    RP Joba
    RP Aardsma
    RP Logan
    LM Phelps

    That’s 24 players, with the last spot likely going to Rapada.

    • mitch

      I have the same thing except i’d replace Nix with Mustelier.

      • Herby

        Wouldn’t be surprised if someone takes Aardsma’s place, from what we’ve seen so far he’s looking pretty much done.

      • Laz

        Depends on how Jeter is doing. If Nunez has to start regularly at ss then they will need nix.

  • clipper

    George used to fill out his roster with players from the penthouse…

    Hank fills out his roster with players from the outhouse…

    • Get Phelps Up

      Yeah, George’s teams from the late 80′s and early 90′s were really impressive…

      • Electric Nunez ll

        Hey now, some of us were more impressed with Tom Brookens, Clay Parker, Joel Skinner, et al than others.

        I will be honest, if the internet were around back then I wouldn’t have gotten nearly as much unseemly enjoyment out of the couldn’t-see-mediocre-on-a-clear-day assemblage of talent in those years, regardless (should I throw in an ‘irregardless’ in there for spite?) of the fact I was basically a kid which likely accounts for much of it…

        People really, REALLY have forgotten or weren’t around to remember how bleak things were in them days…

        I say this as someone who grew to like George by the end of his days in spite of myself, but this revisionist history is tiresome…

        • jjyank

          What’s funny to me is that most of the doom and gloomers “The Boss is rolling over in his grave!!” types seems to be older guys. By all accounts, I should be as spoiled as all hell, but I’m not. And neither are most of the people my age on this site that I’m aware of. Instead, I see a lot of old timers who should know better bitching about this stuff.

          • Herby

            I don’t know I think the doom and gloomers come in all shapes and sizes. The real reason is probably just not enough oral sex in their lives.

            • jjyank

              I doubt people my age are bitching about 1965.

            • trr

              that’s why we all look forward to your Mom’s visits

          • trr

            HI JJ, I guess I’m one of those “old-timers” you’re complaining about. If u read my posts, u know I’m not one of those “the sky’s falling” types, just more of a seasoned realist. The 2013 team is a mediocre to passable contsruct without much upside and a whole lotta downside if age and injuries take their toll. People who lived through the Steinbrenner Era came to expect the Yanks to make everything right with $$$, and that’s just not the case anymore. Mistakes have been made, and we have to live with them. On the bright side, the AL East is fairly open this year, and we can compete if everything holds together and we pick up some help along the way. Also, the farm system is finally bearing some fruit, and that’s somethong to look forward to!

            • jjyank

              A) I didn’t mention you.

              And B) I love how the glass-half-empty crowd refers to themselves as “realists”. I call myself an optimist, just call yourself a pessimist then. Don’t sugar coat it by pretending that your view is “real”.

              And for the record, B) isn’t just aimed at you, trr. I’m again speaking generally. It’s just something I’ve noticed this offseason. The pessimistic crowd calls themselves realists, as if that justifies their views or makes them more valid than mine. Just call it what it is.

              • alkaline

                Okay,I think we just became best friends. Look what I said below.

                /Step Brothers’d

                • jjyank

                  +1

            • The Doctor

              Without much upside? Adding Youkilis and Hafner to an already solid core certainly counts as upside. They have significant downside if they can’t stay healthy, but if they can stay healthy those are two major offensive forces.

              You need to check the definition of “mediocre”. An 81 win team would be a textbook mediocre team. This team is projected to win a little less than 90 games with the upside to win 90 something. That is a good team, if not a fantastic one. They aren’t World Series favorites, but they’re a solid team who could go deep with luck.

      • trr

        um, that’s when steinbrenner was suspended and not running the team

        • Get Phelps Up

          He did run 2 terrible Yankee teams in 1989 and 1990, and it was his constant gutting of the farm system that led to more bad Yankee teams in the early 90s.

          • trr

            In truth Steinbrenner both hurt and helped the team. If you were around in those days, Phelps, you may remember how he embarassed the team. On balance, his passion for winning helped elevate the team, but his astounding impatience was athing to behold…

            • Get Phelps Up

              I’m not trying to say he was bad, but I’m just tired of so many people saying that he could do no wrong when he really crippled the team in the late 80s and early 90s and it took him getting banned for the Yankees finally to build a good farm system that led to 4 world series titles in 5 years.

              • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                I’m not saying I agree, because I don’t know if I do, but our friend the Legend of TSJC once made an interesting argument that the way the team was run in the 90s was essentially no different than the way it was run beforehand. I wish I could find the arguments because I’d love to sift through them again.

              • trr

                In all honesty, outside of a few players, the farm system then was not so remakable, so in truth their was very little gutting… Having said that, I hope that the current team holds on to thier prospects and allows them an opportunity to play. If the team is serious about holding the line on payroll there may be no other alternative, unless you fancy piecing a team together off the scrap heap every year…

          • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

            People always talk about how he “wasn’t around” or something when the Yanks won in the 90s, but they conveniently forget the consecutive championships of the 70s with teams that were pretty much Steinbrenner’s babies. Not to mention the 80s Yanks won the most games of any other 80s teams.

            The fact is, like him or hate him, consider him the architect or not, we won six championships with Steinbrenner as owner, and became a playoff contender literally almost every single year. That has to count for something.

            • Jimmy

              They should give him the biggest plaque in monument park for that.

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  • Big Member

    Ugh, so last chance to register for RAB’s unnofficial baseball fantasy league. We have 2 spots left. Draft will be taking place tomorrow at 4:00 PM.

    Yahoo Fantasy Baseball
    League ID: 104187
    Password: riverave

    • Conor

      I just signed up. Thanks for the invitation, should be a fun season.

      • Big Member

        Welcome, there should be plenty of fun in our unorthodox league!

        All 12 spots have been filled up.

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Now that its no longer anal, fuck that. I’m not signing up!

          • MannyGeee

            Hehe… Fuck that anal league… Or non anal league, not that there’s anything wrong with that…

  • DR

    Just want to post one more time about the opening in the ESPN fantasy baseball league. Several of you are already signed up, but we had a sudden opening and the draft is tomorrow at 9PM EST. If you can make the draft and want to join, email my alt email at fultzy@rocketmail.com and ill send an invite.
    Simple 5×5 roto scoring, 10 teams. Should be fun.

    To those who are already in the league (assuming we get the spot filled) let this message serve as a reminder that our draft is tomorrow. Hope to see you all there.

    • Now Batting

      Looking forward to it!

    • DR

      League is filled. See you guys tomorrow!

  • alkaline

    Alright, here’s

  • alkaline

    Alright, here’s a question. I see TRR said he’s not a gloom and doom, and he’s not. But he said he’s a realist. Who’s to say who’s a realist? Maybe I am and I’m more optimistic. Why do the gloom people always insist their the realist? What gives them that right? Not picking on TRcause I don’t think he’s a debbydowner, but it’s just been bugging me seeing that recently.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      Agreed. If you have more of a negative view of the team then you can brand yourself a “realist”, but if you have a more positive view you’re an “optimist” and your expectations aren’t as reasonable.

      I think I speak for every “optimist” here when I say Fuck. That. Shit.

      And TRR, I think we’re all going off of what you said, not you. You really aren’t a pessimist and have a fairly balanced view of the franchise from what I saw.

      • jjyank

        Agreed on all counts.

        I’m rather tired of the negative crowd branding themselves as realists. I’m a damn Poli Sci major. So go pray to Thomas Hobbes and leave that asinine language out of it.

        • MannyGeee

          So I am a “realist” and the reality of it all is that this team is the worst thing I have ever seen in a uniform…. And grave rolling and Cashman failed realistically?..

          Like that? Nailed it.

          • jjyank

            If you were rolling with my comment, you would have said that all of baseball is an anarchic system of chaos and that man needs a “Leviathan” to keep order intact.

            I hardly see how that applies to baseball. Everyone needs to leave that phrase out of it :P

            • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

              THE AUSTRALIAN WOLF SPIDER HAS SWALLOWED YOUR GOD.

              • jjyank

                I have no god. Atheism is just so, so much easier for me.

                Apologies for missing a reference that I apparently am not getting.

                • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

                  It’s an extremely vague reference I expected basically nobody to get from a Badass of the Week Article on Australia (my personal favorite article). Also, I remembered wrong that it’s literally the Sydney Funnel Web Spider.

                  Also, “God is dead” is a famous line by Nietzsche, though I forget which book.

                  http://www.badassoftheweek.com/australia.html

                  Anyway, the point was really just to make an overdramatic yell that had overtones of general hopelessness. But I suppose when you need to explain the joke it’s really the joke that’s dead.

      • trr

        Like everyone else here, in my heart I’m a fan – and I always hope for the best for the team I’ve loved since I was a small boy. I’d like nothing better than than to see them in the playoffs this year! Hell, this is the NEW YORK FUCKING YANKEES we’re talking about here!!

        I better stop gushing and crack a cold one-
        Happy St. Pat’s to you all!

        • Robinson Tilapia

          Back atcha!

        • herby

          Happy alcohol poisoning for ya.

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Because the internet, in general, are devoid of all subtlety. To me, the realist is the person that can see both sides of the argument. Those are the folks that get called Pollyanas on here, of course.

      • Manny’s BanWagon

        I think it’s more accurate to say that the realists around here more often get attacked for being gloom and doomers than for being Pollyanna’s.

  • Get Phelps Up

    Is anyone else having to re-type their handle every time they go to an article from the main page?

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      Yep.

      • jjyank

        Me too. It’s kind of annoying. I’ve had several comment rejected because my username wasn’t filled out. It used to be every time. Not sure why it’s blank now.

    • Laz

      Just use the auto fill out, and its only a few extra clicks.

      • Get Phelps Up

        Oh, I don’t mind doing that but there’s many occasions where I forget to do that and my comment gets rejected. It’s also really annoying on a mobile device where there’s no auto fill.

  • dalelama

    People have the right to classify themselves however they want when they are bullshitting about a game.

    • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

      Sincerely,

      A Pessimist

      • Get Phelps Up

        Sincerely,

        A Pessimist troll

        • dalelama

          Sincerely,

          A forecaster with an excellent track aka a realist.

          • jjyank

            No, GPU had it right. Go back to school.

            • dalelama

              This from a guy still crying a out a chick who dumped him three years ago.

              • jjyank

                This coming from a guy who literally makes facts up for no reason. Because you’re doing it right now. Get a fucking life.

          • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

            I’ll just forego the sarcasm and say excellent track record my ass.

          • Pat D

            Excellent track? Of just what exactly? Predicting when you were going to make your daily trolling post?

    • Bob Buttons

      Sincerely,
      a guy who got his favorite dog ran over by Cashman who then had the carcass thrown into a meat grinder and then the grounded carcass fed to a fish, then had the fish thrown into molten lava, and then had the gas that sprang up from being melted bagged up and used in a particle collider that was deemed too dangerous for human kind and got sent into space where it stays in orbit, forever lost.

    • alkaline

      So I’m classifying myself as a realist. It’s what I please. However, it contradicts what you say.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    Where I lean tonight on the first base/OF situation:

    Rivera, Boesch, Mesa make the team. Rivera plays first.

    This could change, of course, as the wind blows, or as I fucking feel like changing it.

    Also, rye, triple sec, orange bitters, angostura, absinthe.

    • Barry

      I’m in the Musty/Boesch/Mesa camp.

      • Barry

        And the Jameson, ginger, guinness boat.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    I will be 39 years old in about two months. I think I can remember back to the ’78 World Series, but my earliest Yankee memories are the telecast after Munson’s death and a random Eric Sohderholm at-bat in 1980 which I only probably remember because it goes hand-in-hand with my being able to read a name like on the TV. I say that to give some perspective as to my recollection of the Papa George years.

    I think that a good 75% of the graverolling, “this would never happen under George” sentiment on here is a complete bunch of crap. There was not one big George speech throughout the 1980′s that did anything improve the market out on the field. For all the talk about big acquisitions and all that, our fondest memories of are the homegrown Don Mattingly, Ron Guidry, and Dave Righetti, the run-out-of-town Dave Winfield, and Rickey Henderson. How many more memories do we have of prospects traded away for average, at best, players, for whom the incorrect expectation was that they’d suddenly turn into something good once they put on the pinstripes?

    I have no clue how many of those 1980′s teams would have made the playoffs and won championships under the Wild Card system – it’s apples and oranges between eras.

    The post-suspension Steinbrenner, at his best, put his team in the hands of his people, who proved to be much better decision-makers than he did.

    Would Papa George have been concerned about the celery cap? Well, no one can still say with certainty whether the sons are actually going to go through with it when it’s all said and done. We have no clue what GS3 would have done because, wait for it, GS3 is dead and turned his team over to his son years ago.

    I’d like for the team to spend its way out of the money that’s being concentrated on a few players, one of which is Alex Rodriguez, too. The frustration is understandable, as is some hyperbole. The sons get an incredibly bum rap from some of the fanbase, though, and it’s just ridiculous.

    No, I don’t think memories of Steinbrenner have anything to do with age, or anything of that sort. I simply think part of the fanbase, regardless of age, completely romanticize a lot of the Papa George era the way I probably will romanticize my son’s newborn months someday (but not yet.)

    If you excuse me now, as is appropriate for my age, the wife and I are going to watch “This is 40.”

    • jjyank

      “I’d like for the team to spend its way out of the money that’s being concentrated on a few players, one of which is Alex Rodriguez, too. The frustration is understandable, as is some hyperbole. The sons get an incredibly bum rap from some of the fanbase, though, and it’s just ridiculous.”

      I’d like to highlight this paragraph, and just say “THIS”. We all want the team to spend, and why not? But George wasn’t here for the new CBA, and his decisions in the past leave a lot to be desired. At the same time, I love the man for presiding over the team that won my childhood amazing teams to cheer for.

      All this “Hal is ruining stuff” just rings deaf to me. He’s running a good team, and he’s also running a business. How many company’s out there would be comfortable forfeiting their profits to be shared among other companies at a higher rate? I get the frustration, and if I could choose, I’d like the Seinbrenners to spend wildly. But I get why there’re not. And if you don’t…well I disagree, and that’s coming from a fan that should be spoiled as all hell.

      • Barry

        They’re filling big shoes. As far as baseball powerhouse goes, ol’Georgie boy has left some massive shoes to fill. It’s not fair to expect one or both of his sons to be the dynamo he was. Plus the market isn’t the same; more teams are spending and there is just less talent for the Yankees to acquire.

    • dalelama

      Started following Yanks in 1963 so my perspective of George includes his saving the Yanks from CBS era. This team reminds me of the 64 team that suddenly collapsed in 1965—old, slow, and injury prone with weak farm system.

      • jjyank

        So go cry to your live-in nurse and get off of my (young) lawn.

        • Barry

          Remember “Hangover” when they’re gassing up the Mercedes in the beginning?

          “Keep walking old man. Don’t even look at the car. I will hit an old man.”

      • Barry

        weak farm system? Wtf you talking about? Austin is going to be an incredible hitter, we have tons of talent in the outfield and behind the dish very close to making an impact, and are loaded with high-upside young arms. I thought I was pessimistic.. jeez.

        • dalelama

          Sure it is weak not a single prospect ready to make a big league impact—the very definition of weak. Wake up and smell the coffee burning homer.

          • Barry

            I seriously expect Austin to be hitting balls for NYY by August 15th.

          • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

            Sure it is weak not a single prospect ready to make a big league impact—the very definition of weak.

            I think you meant to write that it’s YOUR very definition of weak.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            Yeah, it’s tough for old people to wait when you might be six feet under tomorrow.

      • Bob Buttons

        Ah yes, a better-than-average farm is considered weak.

      • Robinson Tilapia

        Remember kids, nothing that ever references the Horace Clarke years is worth a second of your time and the author of such should just take themselves out of their misery.

        • dalelama

          Those who don’t learn from history are condemned to repeat it.

          • Barry

            History is seriously altered by who’s writing it and who’s reading it.

          • Bob Buttons

            5 bucks say if the Soviet Union won we’d be reading about “the dangers of democracy” in our history textbooks.

            • Jimmy

              5 bucks say if the Soviet Union won you wouldn’t be up at 2am leaving messages on an internet website.

              • Bob Buttons

                Oh yes we would. Our four times a day “hail Communism” comments on communismrocks.ru

          • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

            I call bullshit on that old chestnut for two reasons:

            1) No two situations are exactly the same.

            2) What Barry said. I know my history. Pretty much everybody got basic history in school. But we mess shit up anyway, all the time.

            The moral: Treat each situation individually, and while it’s fine to draw on examples from history you better be damn well sure you know what you’re doing. Just because Hannibal shouldn’t have invaded Rome doesn’t mean that Odoacer shouldn’t have.

          • Robinson Tilapia

            It has to be questioned how those who do not understand that we live in a different world in 2013 than in 1965 (which includes the baseball landscape) even know how to log on to a computer.

            This isn’t 1965. This isn’t 1990. It’s 2013.

    • Now Batting

      The bottom line (no pun intended) is that the brothers are attempting to slash payroll by over $30 million at a time when MLB is undergoing record growth. Sure George made a lot of bad decisions but no one ever questioned his intentions, unlike his sons.

  • Bob Buttons

    So, Giants went out and signed a TE and a LB.
    Seems like they’ll pick the best talent available during the draft, instead of filling a need.

    • Barry

      They’re decent moves but if there is a quality talent still available late in the draft that shouldn’t be I’d still like to see them take it. Neither are game changers, just solid regulars.

      • Bob Buttons

        Ah yes signing guys (esp considering all were 1 deal yrs) should not impede them from getting impact talent.

      • dalelama

        Duh.

        • Barry

          It’s the Duh-le-blahma

    • Pat D

      Which is what they always do. I wouldn’t have expected them to draft either of those positions in the first round anyway. I have always expected them to go DE, or possibly CB or OL.

      • Bob Buttons

        I wouldn’t mind a CB, as I’ve said before, it was painful to watch Webster at times.

        • Pat D

          Yes, it was sad to watch him fall off a cliff. Hopefully he’s got one more good year left.

          • Bob Buttons

            It was rather sad for me too as he was my favorite CB in Madden 08.
            Oh well, players come and go, even Mo.

        • Barry

          We desperately need a shut down corner.

          • Bob Buttons

            Wouldn’t necessarily say desperately, but maybe urgently.

            • Barry

              I’d be willing to say desperately. Need to take away the big play. Webster is so exposed it’s not even funny. Can’t count how many times we got that 3rd down and got beat with a long pass.

  • Reuben Sierra’s Chains

    Cards Baby! Soon to be National Champs, busted that Boeheim Ass tonight.

  • Robinson Tilapia

    About 15 minutes of this movie resembles my life. Holy cow, this movie (This is 40) fell off a cliff.

  • Nice Guy Eddie

    1. CC Sabathia
    2. Hiroki Kuroda
    3. Andy Pettitte
    4. Phil Hughes
    5. Ivan Nova
    6. David Phelps
    7. Mariano Rivera
    8. David Robertson
    9. Joba Chamberlain
    10.Boone Logan
    11.David Aardsma
    12.Clay Rapada

    13.Chris Stewart
    14.Dan Johnson
    15.Robinson Cano
    16.Derek Jeter
    17.Kevin Youkilis
    18.Ichiro Suzuki
    19.Brett Gardner
    20.Travis Hafner
    21.Francisco Cervelli
    22.Jayson Nix
    23.Brennan Boesch
    24.Eduardo Nunez
    25.Melky Mesa

    v. R
    CF Gardner
    SS Jeter
    2b Cano
    DH Hafner
    3B Youkilis
    1b Johnson
    RF Boesch
    C Stewart
    LF Suzuki

    v. L
    CF Gardner
    DH Jeter
    2b Cano
    1b Youkilis
    SS Nunez
    3b Nix
    LF Mesa
    C Stewart
    RF Suzuki

    • Nice Guy Eddie

      They always play like shit in April, but if Toronto starts well then …

    • Barry

      I would rather give Musty a shot than shuffle Youk back and forth Johnson and Nix getting that many ABs. Other than that I don’t mind your line-ups

      • Barry

        Also Cano is begging to get walked this year, unfortunately.

      • Nice Guy Eddie

        Who doesn’t love Ronnier? Unfortunately, a left-side of him and Nunez is an absolute disaster that I want no part of.

        • Nice Guy Eddie

          Even it’s Jeter at SS, it’s just as bad.

        • Barry

          Lets not pretend Johnson and Nix would be all that much better.

          • Nice Guy Eddie

            Really? I was under the assumption that they could pick it a little bit.

    • Pistol pete

      Those are ridiculous line ups, how in the fuck are we going to score any runs,

      • Barry

        By reinvesting. Bribing officials in fine NY fashion.

      • dalelama

        No shit—-it is going to get real ugly.

      • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

        Meh, I don’t think they’re ridiculous. I would classify it as about average, and depending on how things swing it can go slightly above and slightly below-and hopefully things will improve even more when our injured guys get back.

        • Nice Guy Eddie

          Once you substitute Tex and Grandy in there, it’s above-average.

          • Nice Guy Eddie

            v. R
            CF Gardner
            SS Jeter
            2b Cano
            LF Granderson
            1b Teixeira
            DH Hafner
            3b Youkilis
            RF Suzuki
            C Stewart

            v. L
            CF Gardner
            DH Jeter
            2b Cano
            1b Teixeira
            3b Youkilis
            LF Granderson
            SS Nunez
            RF Suzuki
            C Stewart

            • Improbable Island’s Dirty Midget Whores (formerly RRR)

              Yeah, see if people perform more or less to expectations both of those lineups are clearly above average, maybe top ten in the league.

              • Nice Guy Eddie

                Yes, if Toronto doesn’t come out of the gate really hot and put some serious distance b/w themselves and the Yanks, they will be caught. It might be a little later this year, but I fully expect the Yankees to start rolling around mid-June, like always.

        • dalelama

          Either way it isn’t going to take you far into the post season which is all that really matters, unless one is willing to accept mediocrity.

          • Get Phelps Up

            Any team who gets to the postseason can win. You surely remember the 2006 Cardinals breaking your heart, right?

      • Robinson Tilapia

        1) Hogtie Pistol Pete
        2) Take his pants off
        3) Throw him on the field when the other team comes to bat
        4) Someone’s bound to lose an eye from that

    • Robinson Tilapia

      Rivera over Johnson. Musty gets a mid-season call-up when someone goes down. Dye-az and Francisco either take MiLB assignments or become FA’s.

      • Travis L.

        I have to say that I’m not totally convinced that they aren’t going to put Francisco on the bench to start the season. They wanted him earlier in the season, but he went to Cleveland. If they were that interested…and so interested that they brought him in even though they had Mesa, Almonte, Diaz and Rivera competing, then I have to think they are wanting him to break camp with the team. I would like to see Mesa over him, but I’m a not optimistic that it will happen. I do believe that Rivera gets first base, but also Nunez and Nix will be on the bench. Nix can fake LF right?

  • Travis L.

    Are we expecting a trade with Texas? What would we be targeting? I had thought, before the Boesch signing, that the Yankees would get Julio Borbon (thinking outside the box), but now that the OF seems pretty much locked up, I’m wondering if a trade is even going to happen. Like Mike says, Olt is getting overrated and I don’t know what else the Yankees would want.

    Thoughts?